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Hell no.
And I don't understand why I heard them giving his vote totals for the all-star game on ESPN this morning. Any player who is suspended should also receive a LIFETIME ban from any all-star appearances. IMHO, of course.
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the player is not getting paid.....all that is happening here is the farm team getting a boost in revenue (from extra fans).
I have a soft spot for farm teams, so I have no problem with them getting this boost.
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Heldawg
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Would you allow Manny to play minor league ball during his entire major league suspension?
I'm pretty 50/50 on the original question.
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as long as he isn't getting paid and not playing for his MLB team....I wouldn't mind.
now, you would be hard-pressed to find many MLB players who would play 50 games for free.....and harder pressed to find MLB FO willing to risk injury to a guy like Manny for that many games at AAA.
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Spergon FTWynn
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i agree with most everyone else...
he's not getting paid, and he's helping out a local community...
all the media craziness, those people need to stay at hotels, and eat at restaurants, and shop at stores. it's good. how often does a small town in new mexico get that kinda stuff happening.
it's not against the rules either. minor league baseball is its own entity, they could step in, but they won't, they know how much alberquerque could use it...
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I agree with you shep. I understand the arguments that it's good for the minor league team.. but a punishment is a punishment, I just think he should have to work the rust off AFTER the suspension.
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the player is not getting paid.....
But the franchise is making money , how is this good for the game?jmho....but any player that get's a penalty should not be aloud to any practice ...farm team or not, again just mho.
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I agree with Shep's statement on this also.
He shouldn't be allowed to play and he shouldn't be allowed into the All-Star game either.
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Spergon FTWynn
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Hell no.
And I don't understand why I heard them giving his vote totals for the all-star game on ESPN this morning. Any player who is suspended should also receive a LIFETIME ban from any all-star appearances. IMHO, of course.
i think it would be more of a penance to make manny go and play in the all star game...
considering the guy comes up with an excuse every year not to go.
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NOPE
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OoooRahJoice
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Manny epitomizes what is wrong with baseball, most "professional" athletic competition, including the Olympics, sports business as a whole, and our society and nation in general.
It is perfectly OK to cheat and, neither pay a penalty, nor accept any responsibility---and hold no one accountable when they do.
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I agree with Shep's statement on this also.
He shouldn't be allowed to play and he shouldn't be allowed into the All-Star game either.
I agree also.
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the player is not getting paid.....
But the franchise is making money , how is this good for the game?jmho....but any player that get's a penalty should not be aloud to any practice ...farm team or not, again just mho.
I actually agree that he shouldn't be allowed in the Allstar game and would extend that to next year as well (even if he didn't like playing in them, others do).
But, I stick by the assertion of playing for the minor league team...the extra $$$ these teams make usually goes straight back into the teams...upgrading busses, maybe a nicer hotel from time to time, et cetera.
Especially for the single-A team he played for, most of the guys are not going to be in the MLB and they make a pittance and do not usually have the nicest facilities and travel arrangements. I have no problem helping these guys out nor do I the local communities that obviously welcome the Manny-media.
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I think he should be allowed to play in the minor leagues because as others have said, it helps those towns with the economy. However, he should not be allowed to play in the All-Star game(even though the AS game has become a long-running joke anyway). However, I think that everytime a player is suspended for drug use, he should be required to do community service and speak to children about drugs. Sitting around for 2 months does nothing, at least make them productive.
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he should be required to do community service and speak to children about drugs.
not to poke fun at you as this is often the case...but many of these athletes are hardly the guys who hit rock bottom and can show children the dangers of drug use.
imaginary conversation:
Manny : "children, don't do drugs"
Child : "didn't you do drugs?"
Manny : "yeah, and it's bad, so don't do drugs."
Child : "but, didn't you make hundreds of millions of dollars during your career partly due to you doing drugs? aren't you currently healthy with little to no outwardly visible signs of long-term effects? aren't you beloved by millions and possibly on your way to a championship this year?"
Manny : "well yeah...but, uh, Selig told me to tell you....don't do drugs"
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Spergon FTWynn
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bud: hey manny, due to your positive drug test for steroids, you can not play in this year's all star game
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I still understand the "it helps out these small minor league teams and cities" point.. but I still don't care. MLB does not exist, nor should it make its rules, to help the farm system make a few bucks when it is allegedly so concerned about these banned substances... Manny should be able to do whatever practicing he can do over his 50 game suspension at a private batting cage with a machine or a non-professional pitcher that he provides at his own cost.... having him "game ready" on day 1 after being suspended for 2 months is ridiculous...
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One thing I've always found funny is the only group that is hurt by taking steroids is the players.
The owners...they don't mind as long as it doesn't injure them...it makes the game more dynamic.
And yet...the players union uses it as a barganing chip. 
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That's a good point but personally, if I had to speak to children and tell them yeah I cheated because I didn't think I was good enough, I'd be amazingly embarrassed.
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Spergon FTWynn
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One thing I've always found funny is the only group that is hurt by taking steroids is the players.
The owners...they don't mind as long as it doesn't injure them...it makes the game more dynamic.
And yet...the players union uses it as a barganing chip.
many around baseball think that the owners turned their head in the late 90's when it was really heavy throughout the league.
after the strike, a lot of teams struggled with attendance...
us cleveland fans don't really understand it though, because we experienced a renaissance while other teams could barely get people to come to their stadiums.
it's sad, but i'm pretty much over it, baseball has soured me more with this financial structure than with steroids... i think selig is doing a great job now of trying to police it.
but honestly, it's not up to bud selig, these teams need to police themselves, because they are around their guys everyday. bud selig can't be in every locker room of every team, every day.
although i find it funny that football players do it, and nobody even reacts...
rodney harrison gets busted for HGH, and now he's going to be a studio analyst?
how's that work?
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at least football has a system in place that does catch some people (the Williams....Merriman, etc).
What about the NBA....a lot of dude's sure look bigger than they have ever been before in the league....HGH would do wonders to help get guys through the 82 game grind....and yet, barely a whisper about what NBA players may be doing.
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OoooRahJoice
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Exactly,...yet they still get paid to cheat. And I believe they don't cheat because they love and respect "the game" ---- they do it because the money is too big.
It's ALL bogus as far as I'm concerned; either ban for life (any sport, any substance) or let them do whatever they want. It's a complete fraud otherwise.
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HotBYoungTurk
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I agree with Shep's statement on this also.
He shouldn't be allowed to play and he shouldn't be allowed into the All-Star game either.
I agree...
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kingodawg
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If you were suspended from your job would you be allowed to work at another job while you were suspended? Of course you would be able to.
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OoooRahJoice
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Manny is (would have been) free to go work any job he wanted to while suspended. Moving from MLB to AAA is not "changing jobs." 
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kingodawg
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Manny is (would have been) free to go work any job he wanted to while suspended. Moving from MLB to AAA is not "changing jobs."
Yes it is, it is a separate entity from MLB. He was suspended from MLB and went and played in a different league. So if a guy was suspended from the Browns he couldnt go play in the CFL?
Not completely the same but A few years ago I became pretty good friends with a hockey player who was in the IHL playing for the Cleveland Lumberjacks named Chris Tamer. At that time the Lumberjacks had a development agreement with the Pitt Pens. At that time Chris was a good IHL player and spent little time with the Pens but couldnt quite stick with them full time. While playing for Cleveland he cross checked a guy from behind face first into the goal cross bar and smashed the guys face up pretty good. The IHL suspended him indefinitely. The Pens tried to send him to the AHL but the AHL decided to honor the IHLs suspension, so the Pens had to bring him to Pitt or release him,and he was a good prospect so they didnt want to do that. He ended up going to the Pens and because of getting this opportunity he stuck with them and was actually a pretty good enforcer with them for quite a few years. He was there for a game or two and he was sent out late in a game to square off with Brett Lindros who had taken a few shots at Pens players. He just absolutely destroyed B Lindros and actually gave him a severe concussion that lead to the end of his career. Later in the year Eric Lindros tried to take him on and Chris whooped him too. Anyways the point was the suspension gave him the opportunity to stick in the NHL full time. I talked to him right after he started getting some NHL ice time and he told me " I feel bad about what happened to that guys face,it really wasnt intentional,but that and the suspension from the IHL are the best things to ever happend to my career".
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Heldawg
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I understand that you probably understand this but......
Should a person suspended for masking his steroid use, and/or trying to get pregnant, have the opportunity to have "the best thing to ever happen in his career"?
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kingodawg
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I understand that you probably understand this but......
Should a person suspended for masking his steroid use, and/or trying to get pregnant, have the opportunity to have "the best thing to ever happen in his career"?
I dont know about "should" but I think they have the right to find another job while they are suspended just like any one of us could.
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OoooRahJoice
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Poor analogy in my opinion,...the CFL IS a "separate entity" from the NFL. In my opinion AAA baseball is not, from MLB.
The "job" is being a baseball player. Manny has no other (publicly known) job or employment talent. That was my point.
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kingodawg
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the CFL IS a "separate entity" from the NFL. In my opinion AAA baseball is not, from MLB.
The old saying is that a persons opinion can not be wrong. Well, that old saying is wrong in this case. Minor league baseball is a separate entity from MLB. Thats is not my opinion,that is a fact.
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OoooRahJoice
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So tell me again why Columbus lobbied so hard to get the Indians AAA farm team to move here,....??
Insisting, and I am not insisting they ARE tied at the hip, is pretty shortsighted, in my OPINION.
I mean why in the hell does AAA baseball even exist other than to support MLB as either a stepping stone, or rehab location ??
To compare that "attached string" to the CFL and the NFL is way outside of the box for a person of your intellect. Just my OPINION.
It's almost like saying college football is not the NFL Farm System.
And maybe it's NOT technically, but you know IT IS,.....
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kingodawg
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I see what you are saying,and in a sense you are correct. They are connected in a way but they are still separate entities. The Columbus team is not owned by the Indians. They have their own owner who has a agreement with the Tribe to be their affiliate.
I just dont see how MLB could have a leg to stand on to stop Manny from playing in a league,or for a team,they dont own. You are right,we know they are connected but from a purely legal standpoint,is what I am saying.
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OoooRahJoice
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Good,....we're not arguing,...I hate that.
I actually don't "care" about Manny because of the money he already makes,....if baseball was his actual livelihood, like mine is building decks for example, then I might be somewhat more empathetic.
Millionaire ballplayers ???, I don't give one god blessed ding dong about what happens to them,....
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