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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Lots_of_QB_Queries_for_Birds_Nothing_Close.html
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Lots of QB Queries for Birds; Nothing Close
If there is one day in the NFL year when we ought to be free of worrying about Donovan McNabb and the Eagles, it should be Super Bowl Sunday. Alas, such is not the case.
We've had reports today from ESPN folk who apparently have too much time on their hands, with their network not doing the game. Adam Schefter says teams have asked the Birds about all three of their quarterbacks and three teams have called about Michael Vick. Sal Paolantonio added that three teams -- Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo -- have had multiple conversations with the Eagles about Donovan McNabb.
Don't know the exact teams myself, but I understand there have been a lot of calls, many of them not about any QB in particular, just letting the Eagles know Team X is interested, should they look to deal any of their three. I'm also told nothing is anywhere close to happening, that all of the queries have been preliminary.
This last point canot be overemphasized. NOTHING IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO HAPPENING.
As you know, Andy Reid has indicated McNabb will be the Eagles' QB in 2010, and McNabb has said this is his strong understanding, as well. Vick has said he would like to go somewhere where he could start, and a few days ago down at South Beach, McNabb endorsed that idea. Kevin Kolb has said he'd like to start, but is a team player, and so forth.
The Vick-to-St. Louis speculation makes a lot of sense to me.
A scource close to the situation thinks at least half a dozen teams ultimately will inquire about Kolb -- including Cleveland, where Tom Heckert, of course, is now the GM, working under Reid's mentor, Mike Holmgren. Almost any team looking to draft a QB this season would be smart to look into Kolb, who presumably wouldn't need several years of training to take over. This is not a great quarterback draft; if Kolb came out this year, he'd almost certainly be a first-rounder. Of course, with McNabb heading toward his 12th season and not under contract after 2010, trading Kolb would be quite a gamble for the Birds.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Super Bowl XLIV hoopla.
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cfrs15
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I hope we either keep Brady Quinn or trade for Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb.
The free agent QB's this year are pretty terrible and it's not a good year to be drafting a QB either.
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OSGuy
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It also depends on what Philly is asking for McNabb or Kolb.
I know we wouldn't give up the #7 pick for either, but if their asking for a 2? I don't know if I'm that interested anymore.
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I would like to see Quinn get one more shot. That wouldn't bother me as much as trying to pay/get a free agent that would only be a Band-Aid.
If we have to start over -- again --, do it next year (2011).
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I agree that the QB crop doesn't seem to be that strong,
but a couple guys that I have had in mind would be
Tony Pike and Zac Robinson (OkSU)
I liked Zac Robinson last year and this year was a pretty miserable season for him. Losing Dez Bryant and I believe another WR for them was injured as well.
You watch the skills competition and he throws the ball well. He's been the QB of an OKState team that has definitely improved as of lately, and with Bryant he would have been a lot better this season.
His TD/Int numbers were bad and his completion percentage was only like 58 or something. But he's played two seasons of serious College Ball, is listed at 6'2 and has a bit of swagger to him.
So yeah, I wouldn't mind Zac Robinson round 4 or later............ And Tony Pike wouldn't be a bad round 3 or 4 pick either IMO. But even if we get one of those guys, we'd better have Quinn or someone as insurance and to at least play this season........... They're defnitely not sure things
Now if it's determined that Sam Bradford is not fradgile and he's healthy and can get stronger, and if Holmgren likes him, then that's fine. But that's a decision made by the top brass. I think we're only going to take a QB if we're happy with the value that we get when we pick. There's a lot of good early picks this year and a new RT, S, CB, WR, RB all would make a big difference to our team; whether DA, BQ, or anyone is QB
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There's a lot of good early picks this year and a new RT, S, CB, WR, RB all would make a big difference to our team; whether DA, BQ, or anyone is QB
Ain't that the truth.
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It also depends on what Philly is asking for McNabb or Kolb.
I know we wouldn't give up the #7 pick for either, but if their asking for a 2? I don't know if I'm that interested anymore.
I'd absolutely give up a 2nd for Kolb. We'd be getting a young guy who has proved in limited opportunity that he can be successful in this league, and we'd be getting our QB for the next 10 years to build this team around.... For a 2nd round pick.
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It also depends on what Philly is asking for McNabb or Kolb.
I know we wouldn't give up the #7 pick for either, but if their asking for a 2? I don't know if I'm that interested anymore.
2nd for McNabb - I'd pause...only due to age/injuries, but I think I would bite.
2nd for Kolb - I'd jump at it.
the great thing is that we do know EXACTLY what the Eagles are thinking with these 2 since Heckert was involved in all those discussions until the last month. should give us the inside tract on either if that is what we want.
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cfrs15
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I would pause just as much for Kolb as I would for McNabb. Kolb has done pretty close to nothing since he came into the league. Look at his stats.
I understand he has the potential to be a pretty good QB. But he has just as much potential to be a colossal bust.
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I'd absolutely give up a 2nd for Kolb. We'd be getting a young guy who has proved in limited opportunity that he can be successful in this league, and we'd be getting our QB for the next 10 years to build this team around.... For a 2nd round pick.
Has he really "proven" anything? DA has looked awfully good a couple of times!
I am not saying that Kolb isnt worth a look but giving up a 2nd rounder on a 4 game resume is ludicrous for this team at this point.
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Yes. Someone agrees with me!
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I'm just asking, not starting nothing here, I just wanna know.
What has Kolb done that Brady hasnt, ?
What does Kolb have Brady dosent, ?
I dont know anything about Kolb other than people were saying the Eagles reached big time & took him way too early.
Would Kolb be a upgrade over Brady ?
Does Kolb fit our offence better than Brady ?
Why trade just to trade,
If were gonna trade for a QB, lets trade for our starter, not somebody who has done nothing in the NFL so far and let them battle it out in training camp....We all know how that works out, I'd like to have a no-brainer starting QB bye the time Traiing camp opens,
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I wouldn't consider a 2nd for McNabb.. too high of a price for a 2-3 year stop gap that very rarely plays 16 games.
The Eagles would be absolutely nuts to trade Kolb.. I know they don't have a ton invested in him but he is the natural heir apparent to McNabb, whenever that happens.
And I don't really want Vick.. primarily because his skill set isn't one that I think Mangini or Holmgren want to build an offense around.. so you build this offense to run on Vicks skill set then whenever you want to go get your QB of the future, you have to retool your offense again... It has little to do with his character issues and everything to do with his skill set and how I think they envision this offense running over the long term.
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How cool would this be.
Donovan Mcnabb as a Brown - I love it!
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I'd absolutely give up a 2nd for Kolb. We'd be getting a young guy who has proved in limited opportunity that he can be successful in this league, and we'd be getting our QB for the next 10 years to build this team around.... For a 2nd round pick.
Has he really "proven" anything? DA has looked awfully good a couple of times!
I am not saying that Kolb isnt worth a look but giving up a 2nd rounder on a 4 game resume is ludicrous for this team at this point.
DId Matt Schaub really "prove" anything either?
4700 yards later, it looks like a pretty good investment.
Kolb has shown flashes, much like Schaub.
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I'd absolutely give up a 2nd for Kolb. We'd be getting a young guy who has proved in limited opportunity that he can be successful in this league, and we'd be getting our QB for the next 10 years to build this team around.... For a 2nd round pick.
Has he really "proven" anything? DA has looked awfully good a couple of times!
I am not saying that Kolb isnt worth a look but giving up a 2nd rounder on a 4 game resume is ludicrous for this team at this point.
DId Matt Schaub really "prove" anything either?
4700 yards later, it looks like a pretty good investment.
Kolb has shown flashes, much like Schaub.
Which is exactly why Philly SHOULDN'T tarde Kolb.
Atlanta traded Shuab, and then lost their starter.
If we trade for Kolb, I would prefer Quinn to be sent to Philly as a part of the deal.
If your trading for a young guy, he HAS to be the starter, and as long as Quinn is here, a large portion of Browns fans will clamor for him, dissallowing any QB to feel good about himself.
I'd rather McNabb, a known talent for 2-3 years while we coach up our own young guy, then taking a chance on another young QB.
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I'm just asking, not starting nothing here, I just wanna know.
What has Kolb done that Brady hasnt, ?
not enough starts....so nothing other than a 3 year headstart on the WCO.
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What does Kolb have Brady dosent, ?
Accuracy. He was the most accurate college QB I had seen and he hasn't done anything to change my mind in the NFL.
In his starts this year, he read the defense well....he stepped into his throws and his throws were on target.
he threw for 391 against NO and 327 against KC with 2 TDs in each game and only took 1 sack combined. He did try to force a couple throws in the NO game and was picked off 3 times (1 was a bobble-pick on the WR...the other 2 were on him).
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Would Kolb be a upgrade over Brady ?
Does Kolb fit our offence better than Brady ?
Why trade just to trade,
I think so....some others dno't.
He knows it better as he's played it in Philly.
And you don't.
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Please. Please. No McNabb.
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Please. Please. No McNabb.
"Please. Please. No Drew Brees."
"Please. Please. No Chad Pennington."
"Please. Please. No *insert ANY QB's name here not named the QB's we have*"
For Christ sakes, our QB's suck...we have to get one.
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Ditto Ammo......the guys nobody wants go elsewhere and play well. I remember a few years back when we needed a safety and John Lynch was there. The braintrust on this board called him old and done, yet he ended up in the probowl and had a couple very good seasons after that.
Guys say we should keep Quinn because the FA QBs suck........don't they understand that Quinn sucks maybe even worse? Hell I would take Trent Edwards in a heartbeat over Quinn, Troy Smith too. Quinn is terrible, heck I would take Grossman over him, and he does suck, but at least he can throw the ball TO the reciever.
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cfrs15
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Troy Smith and Trent Edwards maybe. But Grossman? Calm down.
And the free agent QB's do suck. At least the ones you can get for nothing like Grossman. Edwards is still under contract for one more year. And Smith is restricted. As are Jason Campbell and Kyle Orton.
Without using a draft pick or giving up compensation Quinn is the best option.
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I'm not sold on the QBs in the draft, and the free agents going to be on the market are pretty much all back ups.
I'd be all for getting McNabb if the price is right. We need to do something.
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I'm sure our GM will know how much McNabb still has and how good Kolb might become. That said I'll take either one of these guys over what we have now for the right price.
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Ditto Ammo......the guys nobody wants go elsewhere and play well. I remember a few years back when we needed a safety and John Lynch was there. The braintrust on this board called him old and done, yet he ended up in the probowl and had a couple very good seasons after that.
Guys say we should keep Quinn because the FA QBs suck........don't they understand that Quinn sucks maybe even worse? Hell I would take Trent Edwards in a heartbeat over Quinn, Troy Smith too. Quinn is terrible, heck I would take Grossman over him, and he does suck, but at least he can throw the ball TO the reciever.
The "braintrust" never wants anyone.
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What's McNabb have left in the tank, a year? Two? If we get him, we still need to pick a QB quickly. McNabb, while a huge upgrade, does not solve our problem for long. And what would we have to give up for him? Would he want to come here?
Those are my concerns with McNabb - giving up the farm to acquire him, and how much productivity is left in there.
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OSGuy
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There's no reason to believe that McNabb can't go 3 maybe 4 more years.
Sure he's not Bret Favre, but its not like his skills are on any decline.
Add to the fact that here we wouldn't ask him to throw the ball 60 times a game. Saving his arman possibly prolonging his career.
You have a chance to get a possible HOF QB that's not neccesarily at the end of his career. Why not?
I'm sure hed appreciate not being booed for being the best QB a team has had for 30 years.
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I'm sure hed appreciate not being booed for being the best QB a team has had for 30 years.
I guess you haven't watched a Brown's game in along time. If Kosar was here right now in his prime the fans would boo. 
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I'm sure hed appreciate not being booed for being the best QB a team has had for 30 years.
I guess you haven't watched a Brown's game in along time. If Kosar was here right now in his prime the fans would boo.
I don't really get what your saying.
I was referencing Philly fans booing McNabb, regardless of how great he does for them.
Because, ya know, they wanted Ricky Williams.
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I'm sure hed appreciate not being booed for being the best QB a team has had for 30 years.
I guess you haven't watched a Brown's game in along time. If Kosar was here right now in his prime the fans would boo.
I don't really get what your saying.
I was referencing Philly fans booing McNabb, regardless of how great he does for them.
Because, ya know, they wanted Ricky Williams.
What I'm saying is we are the spitting image of the Eagle's with out the success. The hard core blood and guts kind of fans that would even boo Mc Nabb if he was here. If you think for one moment that his life would be better here you don't know your fellow Brown's fans very good. 
Believe me when I say even the thought in his head that he could end his career here has to scare the hell out of him. If I were him and I got traded to the Brown's I would retire and come back the following year with the Vikings! 
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Believe me when I say even the thought in his head that he could end his career here has to scare the hell out of him. If I were him and I got traded to the Brown's I would retire and come back the following year with the Vikings!
Or he could decide that the perfect way to tell the Eagles to kiss his patoot would be to be the one to lead the Browns back to prominence.
Of course, people would boo McNabb if he came here. Some of the drunks in the stadium would boo their own kids if they threw an INT or had a fumble. But it'd be nothing like what he's gotten on occasion in Philly. Those fans make most of our fans look like opera-goers.......
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I'm curious about something, does McNabb have an option in his contract to veto a trade? I would assume he would rather go to a team that is set to win now, rather then be a stopgap in a rebuilding process. I just don't see him being a happy guy if traded to Cleveland. Now, if he is sent to Arizona or the Vikes, thats a different story.
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And I don't really want Vick.. primarily because his skill set isn't one that I think Mangini or Holmgren want to build an offense around..
I might agree with that in part but not all of it..Vick could run a WCO in part because he's more mobile than most QB's..his arm isn't questioned..he just needs to hone his skills...so if any of the three are moved it's going to be him.
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Or he could decide that the perfect way to tell the Eagles to kiss his patoot would be to be the one to lead the Browns back to prominence.
That's nice, in theory.
For one thing, leading the Browns to prominence would mean nothing to the Eagles. Different conference. Leading the Redskins back to prominence would be something that the Eagles would notice.
Secondly, I see McNabb having 3 years left, at most. Will we be "back" in 3 years? I think in three years we'll be a solid team, competitive week in and week out and sniffing the playoffs (not as a one-and-done, but with the foundation in place for annual playoff consideration), but I don't think our return to prominence will be there yet. McNabb won't be around to see that.
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How about trading Shaun Rogers to the Eagles for one of these QB's? (preferably Kolb?)
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All this talk about Kolb is starting to drive me a little wacko.. If Kolb is all that, I'd think that Andy Reid knows it. He's also aware that McNabb is close to the end. I'm equally sure that he's aware of the limitiations that Vick has..or at least the limitations that people on this board feel he has.
So why oh why does anyone actually think there is any way in hell that Kolb gets traded to anybody for anything?
I mean seriously,, the only way he gets traded is if he's not as good as everyone thinks he is and Reid knows it. The problem with him coming here is that Heckert probably would know it also...
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I don't think Kolb gets traded. I also don't think McNabb gets traded.
Especially with the CBA, Philly is sitting pretty with both QBs for one more year where they think they can make a run at the superbowl.
then, next offseason, they likely part ways with McNabb and usher in the Kolb-era.
I don't know why some think that McNabb only has 3 years left.....it could be true, but he has made no indications he is near the end and QBs as good as he usually play until their late 30's at least (even the more fragile ones....like Kurt Warner)
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Ditto Ammo......the guys nobody wants go elsewhere and play well. I remember a few years back when we needed a safety and John Lynch was there. The braintrust on this board called him old and done, yet he ended up in the probowl and had a couple very good seasons after that.
Guys say we should keep Quinn because the FA QBs suck........don't they understand that Quinn sucks maybe even worse? Hell I would take Trent Edwards in a heartbeat over Quinn, Troy Smith too. Quinn is terrible, heck I would take Grossman over him, and he does suck, but at least he can throw the ball TO the reciever.
The "braintrust" never wants anyone.
1. The "braintrust" on this board has never taken a free agent or passed on one or made a draft pick... not a single one. So it is not anybody on this boards fault that we have the players we have or that we've passed on the players we have...... we are just fans with opinions like you... And that's a nice example on John Lynch, but why not list the players that a lot of people wanted that went elsewhere and never panned out.. it's a longer list.
2. You don't have an opinion on these players? Does that not make you part of your own little braintrust? See if you actually read the posts, you will find some supporting and some objecting to most players... the fact that you opt to focus on those who object is not my problem.
3. Every single person in the "braintrust" that never wants anyone.. can probably list a dozen players that they DID want over the years... but then, none of us were pulling the trigger.
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Probably the only reason anyone feels as if McNabb is nearing the end is because of age.. that's the only reason really...
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