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HotBYoungTurk
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Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns
      #938147 - Wed Jun 06 2012 01:54 PM

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Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns

The narrative is being written. Cleveland Browns first-round pick Brandon Weeden had "the look of a No. 1 quarterback" according to The Plain Dealer at Tuesday's minicamp. Weeden is the one meeting with the media after practice. Colt McCoy is an afterthought.

Weeden is being sold. The other options Cleveland had at quarterback this offseason are being discredited. Veteran beat writer Tony Grossi reports that the Browns only pursued Robert Griffin III "enough to say that they tried." Griffin was viewed as "too small" and "eager to show how fast he was."

The Browns didn't like Matt Flynn either: "No bigger than McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered."

Or Ryan Tannehill: "His maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn’t project as a leader."

Weeden, according to the narrative, emerged as the best option. We could swallow this entire story a little better if it didn't suggest that the Browns actually preferred Weeden to giving up picks for Griffin. That's revisionist history. (The Browns' lack of interest in Flynn and Tannehill, on the other hand, was apparent.)

We have no idea if Weeden can be successful as a 28-year-old rookie starting quarterback. He will get a chance to try. Grossi says Weeden has the strongest arm the team has seen in years and his accuracy is reminiscent of Bernie Kosar.

Now all Weeden has to do is show he can keep that accuracy when tackling is allowed. And, you know, when he faces defenses other than the Browns.





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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938152 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:00 PM

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The Browns didn't like Matt Flynn either: "No bigger than McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered."

Or Ryan Tannehill: "His maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn’t project as a leader."




Why does part of me think these are not even close to the exact quotes the PD was given about Flynn and Tannehill.

That doesn't sound like talk a FO would publicly put out there about players...

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938153 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:01 PM

Where's this narrative from?

And, if it's true, that would mean we attempted to give up a bunch of draft picks for a guy we thought was "too small" and "eager to show how fast he was"?

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938155 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:03 PM

it's just Grossi making stuff up and presenting it as fact. Big surprise.

http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1232

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Brandon Weeden's maturity, essential as much as his arm strength and accuracy, is showing up already
Jun 06, 2012 -- 6:00am
By Tony Grossi



The Morning Kickoff …

Stepping up: After another Browns season blew up with Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace getting tossed around by division foes like rag dolls, what was obvious about their quarterback situation was this: They needed size at the position. They needed a strong and accurate arm. And they needed maturity.

Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck? Ideal fits, to be sure … but unobtainable. Manning didn’t want to play here and the Colts weren’t stupid enough to trade the No. 1 pick.

Of the more realistic candidates, free agent Matt Flynn was no bigger than McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered.

Media darling Robert Griffin III also was too small. And too eager to show how fast he could run. The Browns never seemed all-in on Griffin. They pursued him just enough to say they tried.

Ryan Tannehill had the size and the arm, but his maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn’t project as a leader.

So Brandon Weeden emerged as the best option. Great arm. Great size. Great production. And the very thing that scared off every other team – he’s a 28-year-old rookie because of a failed five-year stint in professional baseball – actually became an attraction to the Browns.

In seven practices – six in the voluntary OTA sessions and one on the first day of mandatory minicamp on Tuesday – Weeden has displayed a strong arm not seen here since Derek Anderson in 2007 and an accurate one with a deft touch reminiscent of Bernie Kosar in the late 1980s.

But what we’re also learning about him is his instant grasp of the position, its responsibilities on the field and off it.

“It’s exciting,” receiver Mohamed Massaquoi said in comments distributed by the team. “He’s mature. He’s played pro ball. He’s going to make us better.”

Early returns are good: We can only go by what we see and hear right now. We see Weeden make all the throws. And we hear him talk intelligently, honestly and excitedly about what lies ahead for him. He doesn’t blanch from the responsibility of being a spokesman for his team and his offense.

On whether he feels like “the guy”: “Not yet, just because nothing is formal. We’re still two months out until we play our first preseason game. No, not yet.”

On establishing rapport with his receivers: “It’s getting there. That’s when offenses get better, when their quarterbacks and receivers are on the same page.”

On his grasp of the Browns’ offensive playbook: “I’ve probably got my hands on 80 percent of it. It’s hard to say. We’re still installing it. I don’t really know, I guess, what there is that I don’t know. I like pretty much all of it. There are a couple plays in the red zone I told Coach (Mark) Whipple I wasn’t a big fan of. If I don’t like it, I’m going to continue to tell him about it. If you’re not comfortable as a quarterback throwing it, most coaches will tell you they won’t call it. As for what I like, I like 99.8 percent of it.”

On shaking off an interception at practice: “I think you guys will find out I’m pretty even-keeled. I think my track record shows I put that behind me. They say wash your hands and move on. That’s the approach I take. That comes from baseball. I gave up a lot of home runs in baseball. You just toe the rubber … take the next snap, and move on to the next play. I’m going to make mistakes. It’s how you bounce back the next series, make a completion here, a completion there.”

On the biggest obstacle to getting comfortable in the pro game: “I think just having some success. Just going out and completing a lot of balls, moving the offense. Just getting confidence in your arm and trusting your reads. I think as a quarterback, if you can get to that third read sometimes, that’ll give you a lot of confidence because you know you’re doing the right thing. That’s where I’m starting to get.”

Looking ahead: When will the Browns formally hand the starting job to Weeden? I think it’s all part of a process.

The significance of minicamp this week is for the veterans on the team to ascertain Weeden’s physical skills throwing the ball and get a sense for his work ethic and maturity on the field and in the huddle.

There are four more OTA practices next week and then they will disperse for summer vacation. By then, they will know who their quarterback is. A formal announcement by the Browns won’t be necessary.




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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938157 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:04 PM

Poppycock, Cleveland is just playing off that "Weeden was the guy we wanted all along, we didn't miss out on RG3."

If Washington had a brain fart and chose Claiborne instead of the QB who do you think we would have drafted at #3? We'd have taken RG3 over Richardson.

Tannehill, I doubt he was that immature, he probably didnt show them enough to warrant the #4 overall pick (before the trade). If he was there at #22 are they trying to say they still would have picked Weeden over him? As for Flynn, I can see the comparisons in height and arm strength but I believe he was much better in pocket awareness, reading a defense, and just the overall presence of running a WCO.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: clevesteve]
      #938162 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:15 PM

So Grossi says these things, the nfl.com picks it up and says it's attributed to the Browns.

Lord, the media is going to have a field day with this.

And, if it's true we offered some first round picks to the Redskins and came up short, that doesn't sound like just making it look like we tried.

If we called them and offered them our 1st this year and a 3rd next year, then I'd say that's an approach of "well, we tried."

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: brownsfansince79]
      #938167 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:28 PM

Hmmm..... so ESPN & NFL.com should get added to the list of sites with crap reporting that can't be trusted?

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: brownsfansince79]
      #938168 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:29 PM

This hasn't reached PFT yet, but it will

Florio just LOVES to post any trash that his buddy, Grossi, is flinging at the Browns.


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: brownsfansince79]
      #938171 - Wed Jun 06 2012 02:31 PM

I don't see where he quoted anyone. I agree it seems these are just observations he has come up with on his own.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: ThatGuy]
      #938206 - Wed Jun 06 2012 04:12 PM

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The Browns didn't like Matt Flynn either: "No bigger than McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered."

Or Ryan Tannehill: "His maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn’t project as a leader."




Why does part of me think these are not even close to the exact quotes the PD was given about Flynn and Tannehill.

That doesn't sound like talk a FO would publicly put out there about players...

JMO




If it's from Tony Grossi, it's not the PD,, it's ESPN Cleveland.. Tony is known for putting his own spin on things..

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: PresidentDawg2]
      #938231 - Wed Jun 06 2012 06:46 PM

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If Washington had a brain fart and chose Claiborne instead of the QB who do you think we would have drafted at #3? We'd have taken RG3 over Richardson.





Don't be so sure. If you remember, all this late hype about RGIII was the media's doing. The next "darling". I'm still in the camp that we needed to look good to the season tkt holders and disgruntled fans. When Heckert say's the #22 pick was not for sale what does that tell you about what we really thought of RGIII? It seems that it worked out that we did not get RGIII which should tell you something, we did not want to give up the farm for him, otherwise he was ours.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938239 - Wed Jun 06 2012 07:14 PM

The spin machine is at work.


The Browns were all in for Griffin.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: Ballpeen]
      #938246 - Wed Jun 06 2012 07:43 PM

Come on Peen, I know you kept up with all the reports after the season. We did not even sniff at RGIII until the Media made a big deal about us being "non-interested" and the Rams worried that they weren't going to get what they wanted in a trade up. I think calls were made after that, because all of a sudden "The Browns" were talking to the Rams about a trade-up. I think H&H did the Rams a favor, and that was to drive up the price of a trade up.

Heck Peen, just follow what Heckert said all off-season. Were fine at #4. We'll get a good player at #4. #22 is not for sale. Then throw in that we had to be goaded into even talking about trading up for RGIII. A blind man could follow that

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938269 - Wed Jun 06 2012 10:21 PM

This is almost as bad as Harbaugh saying he didn't want Peyton Manning

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: candyman92]
      #938276 - Wed Jun 06 2012 11:16 PM

We did have more ammo to make a trade than Washington and decided the price was too high...

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: TopDawg16]
      #938277 - Wed Jun 06 2012 11:17 PM

As someone who was all in for RG3, it's over, so it really doesn't make a difference at this point.

We have our QB now ..... and hopefully he'll be a good one.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: candyman92]
      #938291 - Thu Jun 07 2012 01:22 AM

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This is almost as bad as Harbaugh saying he didn't want Peyton Manning




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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938305 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:27 AM



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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938316 - Thu Jun 07 2012 07:57 AM

Just when I thought Grossi could not get any worse, as a reporter, he does...no sources for the quotes or information contained in the story.

...but then ESPN and PFT carry the story as if it were factual...they are reporting Grossi's hearsay (crap)...sports journalism at it's worst.





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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: OverToad]
      #938505 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:18 PM

I've posted this several times, but get little to no reaction. So, I will ask Toad who seems to follow the why's and where's of the Browns maybe more closely than others do. So what about it Toad? If you follow what H&H have said since the end of the Season, doesn't it follow that we could have cared-less until the Media started reporting that "The Browns" who need a QB, have remained on the sidelines. I think there was only one other Team who expressed an interest about trading up & that was the Chiefs. Then they backed off when the Skin's started talking about how they were willing to give up future #1's. Only then did "The Browns" just so happen to start talking trade. It smells like a set up to me, and that was the Rams wanted to make sure they got alot for the pick, and they did.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: Ballpeen]
      #938506 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:22 PM

I can't believe the Browns are stupid enough to put out something like that. If RG3 turns out to be great they will look like idiots. My opinion is this is all Grossi. He may have talked to a minor official that he can't name but I think MH and people that count were all in for Luck or Griffin.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938509 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:27 PM


Ya know, these types of "reports" are just total garbage.

It is the worst kind of speculative junk.

In any case the dye is cast. We have our roster sink or swim.


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: bleednbrown]
      #938512 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:33 PM

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If you follow what H&H have said since the end of the Season




that's the problem right there. anything the FO says from the end of the season through the "offseason" is likely to be smoke and misdirection. you can't take anything at face value.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: no_logo_required]
      #938514 - Thu Jun 07 2012 06:42 PM

I can relate to that. But...past, and up til now the one thing that remains the same( no, its not Led Z ) Heckert. He's been saying the samething, whether it's draft time or past time. Maybe it is all smoke, but he has not wavered on his stance about FA or the draft. He even went as far as saying that Homy was gonna have to tell him to do it. I think the Man has a plan and is willing to take it to the limit to see it thru, and good for him. I know alot of folks on here get upset when I bring this up, but I can't help it. I really don't want to upset anyone, just trying to explore all the options.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: bleednbrown]
      #938581 - Fri Jun 08 2012 12:33 AM

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I've posted this several times, but get little to no reaction. So, I will ask Toad who seems to follow the why's and where's of the Browns maybe more closely than others do. So what about it Toad? If you follow what H&H have said since the end of the Season, doesn't it follow that we could have cared-less until the Media started reporting that "The Browns" who need a QB, have remained on the sidelines. I think there was only one other Team who expressed an interest about trading up & that was the Chiefs. Then they backed off when the Skin's started talking about how they were willing to give up future #1's. Only then did "The Browns" just so happen to start talking trade. It smells like a set up to me, and that was the Rams wanted to make sure they got alot for the pick, and they did.




Well man, I wouldn't say that I follow the Browns' "why's and where's" more closely than others, but rather I try and decipher the truth from all the stories, media reports, and fan thoughts. To that end, it seems to me that you're asking me if I see any truth in the premise that states the Browns only became interested in Griffin once the media started pushing that story. Further complicating this thought process is the suggestion that Holmgren only piped up to make a good show for the season ticket holders and/or Lerner, of all people.

So if I have all that right Bleeder, here's how I'd answer that...

I believe that the Browns always wanted a new QB, and that the selection of Weeden in the 1st round validates that belief. So since we've selected a QB, especially in the 1st, I don't believe there can be a debate as to whether or not we always had our eye set on acquiring a top-tiered talent in this draft.

That's point number one.

Now the debate isn't about whether or not we wanted a 1st round QB. We absolutely did. The debate is going to be how badly we wanted Griffin. Was the supposed offer just for show? That's the real question, and my response to that is as follows:

Hell no it wasn't for show, and here's why: What kinda idiot team President or GM would offer more than a 1st round pick for a guy that they really didn't want? Nobody knew exactly what any other team would offer for Griffin, so the risk in offering a 1st rounder plus other picks and/or players for the sake of appearances is the kind of gamble that no dolt would ever make.

I don't know what kind of crack Grossi is smoking, but it's gotta be some serious stuff if he thinks a ton of folks are going to buy into his comments just because he wrote them.

The only possible kind of reverse-spin that can be performed on his comments would read like this...

"The Browns liked Griffin, but because of his less-than-optimal size and desire to run before he throws, the Browns weren't willing to give up three future #1 draft picks for his services."

Now even those comments are false IMHO because I saw Griffin as a PASS-first QB who could run, much like Steve Young. That opinion has since been validated by various scouting reports. Keep in mind I simply was trying to reverse-spin Grossi's comments so that they'd make sense.

I could go down even murkier avenue's of deception to state my belief, which include how teams don't speak of their desires when trying to make trades so that they don't get undercut by other teams, or speak in cliche's like "teams always hold their cards very close to their vest" Hehe.

So....my honest opinion of Grossi's comments that we thought Griffin was too small and too enamored with his wheels...He's just trying to spin the fact that we didn't get the guy we really wanted, and the best way to do that is to pump up the guy we got. Teams do it all the time, and that's what Grossi is doing here.

I do believe that the media has the ability to indirectly manipulate things, but I see just too much evidence here which would fly in the face of the belief that everything was just an elaborate and complex show to appease some season-ticket holders (who can easily be replaced with other season ticket holders) and/or the owner (who isn't going to throw the team in the Ohio River if he doesn't get his way).

IMHO there were two "can't miss" guys (though we know there's no such thing) and two "fringe" Franchise guys. Luck was never available, leaving Griffin as the last "can't miss" guy. When they lost out on him, we had to choose between Tannehill and Weeden. Tannehill was too much of a gamble at #4, where we had to have a "can't miss" guy, which is why I felt Richardson was a lock. Weeden had the talent to be a 1st round guy but was so damned old I never felt he'd go there. Well, the Browns had to have a new QB so they reached for the old guy with the talent because they wanted a QB who could come right in and start from day-one.

You can beat that theory to pieces but that's the way I personally feel things went down.

(edited. Thanks Ytown)


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: OverToad]
      #938582 - Fri Jun 08 2012 12:45 AM

I agree, except that I think that you mistyped, and meant that RG3 is a pass first QB, not a run first QB.

I don't think that there is any question that we offered one hell of a lot for the rights to RG3 ...... just not as much as the Deadskins did.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
      #938584 - Fri Jun 08 2012 01:11 AM

Toad - clearly point one is beyond contention. My question is: does anyone know what we actually did offer the Rams? I have heard a lot of conjecture but nothing that I can lay my hat on. IF we offered say the #4 pick and a 7th next year then that would play toward us just making a token. If we offered 2 1st rounders + then that certainly goes strongly against that sentiment.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: Jester]
      #938585 - Fri Jun 08 2012 01:19 AM

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Toad - clearly point one is beyond contention. My question is: does anyone know what we actually did offer the Rams? I have heard a lot of conjecture but nothing that I can lay my hat on. IF we offered say the #4 pick and a 7th next year then that would play toward us just making a token. If we offered 2 1st rounders + then that certainly goes strongly against that sentiment.




I really don't expect that we'll ever know 100% exactly what we offered for the 2nd pick in the draft. No one really has any reason to say exactly what anyone else offered. Holmgren has said that our offer was every bit as good as Washington's ........ but that could be a subjective opinion, or flat out propaganda.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
      #938591 - Fri Jun 08 2012 05:55 AM

It leads me to think that we offered our two firsts this year and next years first as a max. Washington was going with this years first and two years afterwards. Given this years draft seemed a bit weaker in the middle-to-late first region, I could see why they'd rather have that extra ammunition going into two future drafts than just this one and next year's. JMHO.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
      #938607 - Fri Jun 08 2012 08:10 AM

Agreed.

Seems to me as if RGIII was Holmgren pulling another McCoy. Heckert not so hot on the idea but MH flexing the muscle of his position. Heckert does a little sabotage with the stall approach then MH jumps in albeit to late. jmo

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: Jester]
      #938612 - Fri Jun 08 2012 09:08 AM

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Toad - clearly point one is beyond contention. My question is: does anyone know what we actually did offer the Rams? I have heard a lot of conjecture but nothing that I can lay my hat on. IF we offered say the #4 pick and a 7th next year then that would play toward us just making a token. If we offered 2 1st rounders + then that certainly goes strongly against that sentiment.




~Mike Holmgren: "Our offer included every part of the trade that was accepted."

Grossi is just full of crap, and now he's making the Browns look bad for it, as well as giving the Skins some extra motivation when they meet up with us late in the season.


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: clevesteve]
      #938615 - Fri Jun 08 2012 09:16 AM

I agree, why can't they just let the past stay there. We wanted RG3, that was obvious, they just set a line and weren't going to cross it.

It's like the guy that gets turned down by the hot chick and then says she wasn't his type anyway, nobody believes that guy.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: Jester]
      #938621 - Fri Jun 08 2012 10:10 AM

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Toad - clearly point one is beyond contention. My question is: does anyone know what we actually did offer the Rams? I have heard a lot of conjecture but nothing that I can lay my hat on. IF we offered say the #4 pick and a 7th next year then that would play toward us just making a token. If we offered 2 1st rounders + then that certainly goes strongly against that sentiment.


While we may possibly know the exact offer at some point in the future, it's more likely we'll never know for certain. All we can go by are the words of those involved and try to extract the truth from all the comments.

In one corner we have Holmgren who said our offer was every bit as good as the 'Skins: three 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder.

In the other corner we have Les Snead of the Rams stating that wasn't true, and that after he told the Browns they'd lost, they came back with a better offer.

So what was our offer? We can only guess. The reports suggest we didn't wanna give up our #22 in the deal, so IMHO (and I can't emphasize that enough in this case) I'd imagine that we offered our 1st this year and some very high picks next year...prolly our 1st again...and figured that'd be enough. Had we thrown in the 22nd pick that prolly would have done the deal.



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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: OverToad]
      #938622 - Fri Jun 08 2012 10:11 AM

None of that is true, Toad. We made a token offer for a fast midget, according to my sources.

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: HotBYoungTurk]
      #938647 - Fri Jun 08 2012 11:26 AM

Can we just make it a board rule that anything printed by Tony Grossi from now on should just be posted in the purple font?

Seriously, a guy with an axe to grind and no real access to the Browns higher-ups, throws up a couple of statements that can't be attributed to anyone specifically with the Browns, and people are taking it as gospel?


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: ExclDawg]
      #938654 - Fri Jun 08 2012 11:57 AM

I don't think we're taking it as gospel. I think more than not are questioning him.

The real curiosity here is that his article is WAY pro-Browns, and that's confusing...


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: OverToad]
      #938779 - Fri Jun 08 2012 08:03 PM

I must say, your a man that uses your head. Good, Great insight. I like my idea better, but I think as far as you wouldn't offer up #1's if you weren't going all in, I guess just depends on what we did offer, which I doubt we will ever know. I do think Heckert wanted to stick at #4 and Holmy was getting ready to pull rank, but the point was moot with the Skins. I glad it worked out the way it did, other wise it would have been a panic move and those almost never work out. I just don't see all the GA-GA about RGIII. Time will tell I guess. Anyway, Thank You for your kind reply. I know I can count on you for sound advice

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: bleednbrown]
      #938788 - Fri Jun 08 2012 09:32 PM

Wow, the undertoads are capitalizing "you" now?

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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: brownsfansince79]
      #938791 - Fri Jun 08 2012 09:49 PM

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Where's this narrative from?

And, if it's true, that would mean we attempted to give up a bunch of draft picks for a guy we thought was "too small" and "eager to show how fast he was"?





all anyone has to do is use logic...u don't attempt to give up 3 first round picks then say the prize U wanted isn't up to the level U want..someone is stirring a fire here.
No different then the rumor someone told McCoy they weren't gonna draft a QB..I don't buy this mess...


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Re: Robert Griffin III was 'too small', according to Browns [Re: OverToad]
      #938819 - Sat Jun 09 2012 12:42 AM

Your assessment is probably way more accurate than Grossi's lame attempt at explaining the situation.

I maintain that consistent with the other rumors, had Wright not been gone, the Browns would have picked him and waited for 37 for Weeden, although there were rumors that they would have traded back into the first round for Weeden.

There was not much of a need for QB between 22 and 37, the real surprise to me was the selection of Schwartz over Martin, Adams Massei at 37. This is where the Browns may have reached, but most teams were looking LT, not RT. So in my mind, that was a big of a surprise, along with passing of WR's in the third, for the pixie (Benjamin) in the 4th. With regard to Benjamin, there was inside knowledge that was being relied upon.

The Browns seem happy with Weeden and Schwartz. So if they are productive starters, then it was a good choice regardless of position. I have noticed this about Heckert, 2nd and 3rd rounders he tends to reach, or trust his scouts evaluations over higher rated consensus picks.

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