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Cavs March Thread
      #667957 - Tue Mar 09 2010 01:32 PM

Continue Cavs talk here.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Referee7]
      #667960 - Tue Mar 09 2010 01:36 PM

W00T! It's March!

It's gonna be a long week waiting for the next game. The real nice thing is that we'll get LBJ healthy this week, the guys will have some practice time to get better acquainted (Powe & Jamison... get em worked in a little better) and then a week from Monday we get Z back, which will revitalize us for the stretch until we get Shaq back a couple of weeks later.


It's going to be a fun run to watch.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #667997 - Tue Mar 09 2010 02:39 PM

Looks like AJ is going to be fine.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4979530

CLEVELAND -- An MRI taken on Cleveland Cavaliers forward Antawn Jamison's left knee has shown no serious problems.

Jamison was forced to leave Monday night's game against the San Antonio Spurs in the third quarter with tightness in the back of his knee. He underwent a follow-up exam and MRI, which a team spokesman said was "good."

Jamison, who has had soreness in his knee most of this season, will continue daily treatments. He scored 17 points before leaving Monday's win.

The Cavs acquired Jamison last month in a trade with the Washington Wizards. He said he experienced similar stiffness in his knee while with the Wizards but was able to improve it with rest and rehab.

Jamison plans to play on Friday when the Cavs visit Philadelphia.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #668066 - Tue Mar 09 2010 03:46 PM

Even with our long upcoming break, I'd think about giving Jamison a few extra days of rest. Well....if it were up to me anyway. But good news for sure.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #668067 - Tue Mar 09 2010 03:49 PM

hard to believe there are only 17 games left

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668074 - Tue Mar 09 2010 03:58 PM

I'm not ready for the playoffs.

Well, I should restate that. My heart isn't ready for the playoffs. With everything riding on this title run, I'm very nervous.

On on hand, we could be celebrating our first Cleveland sports title since 64, keeping Lebron, shoving it to all the naysayers, proving the other Cleveland teams can get it done, and making a memory that will last forever. On the other, we fail again, Lebron leaves, the naysayers get to gloat, Cleveland sports will take a hit they may never recover from, and we fall into a deeper sports depression.

No pressure.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #668078 - Tue Mar 09 2010 04:01 PM

Easy there, dont you dare Jinx us!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #668082 - Tue Mar 09 2010 04:05 PM

I want the cavaliers to win a ring so bad i can taste it,almost all cleveland fans do not have confidence in any of their teams.Whether we like it or not,it's going down.So at the very least we can just sit back and enjoy the ride.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: SCRIBBLING IDIOT]
      #668106 - Tue Mar 09 2010 04:32 PM

I have tickets to the last home game.. (last regular season game as well April 11th) vs the Magic.. I'd like to see the starters but it's likely LBJ and others will be wearing ties on the sideline and I'll just see a scrub game

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #668116 - Tue Mar 09 2010 04:44 PM

Quote:

I'm not ready for the playoffs.

Well, I should restate that. My heart isn't ready for the playoffs. With everything riding on this title run, I'm very nervous.

On on hand, we could be celebrating our first Cleveland sports title since 64, keeping Lebron, shoving it to all the naysayers, proving the other Cleveland teams can get it done, and making a memory that will last forever. On the other, we fail again, Lebron leaves, the naysayers get to gloat, Cleveland sports will take a hit they may never recover from, and we fall into a deeper sports depression.

No pressure.




i don't think lbj leaves if we don't win it all. i think it's been made pretty obvious that this is on him. the talent is there, the homecourt advantage will be there, probably in every possible series situation.

i think it is more on him now than it ever has been. absolutely no excuses this time.

but it is going to be one hell of a ride. i think it's gonna come down to la-den and cle-orl, that's gotta be your final four. i'm not sure how much i buy dallas, we'll see.

all those teams have looked human this year. the cavs had their setback (although you could argue under some pretty tough circumstances) the lakers look beatable right now. orlando had their moments.

i hate the magic, i hate their bandwagon fans, their overrated coach, their whiny superstar, and i have a feeling i am going to hate them even more when we most likely battle it out with them again.

i want nothing more than to punish them for last year.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #668118 - Tue Mar 09 2010 04:50 PM

Good news about Jamison. As far as Mo goes, he did look like he was in pain a little bit still and it would explain his poor shooting since he came back. He may feel that with so many other players unable to play that he can't sit games out right now and may be trying to play through it since we're so thin. Hopefully if Mo needs some more rest he can get it before the playoffs as we'll need him to hit some big shots for us at some point I'm sure.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Mattack]
      #668175 - Tue Mar 09 2010 06:38 PM

just wanna let you guys know, in the past few months i have gotten back into trading cards, just kind of a small side hobby thing. and a shop has opened up right near my work so i usually stop in once a week. i bought some cards today, opened up a pack, and got a jamison sig

definitely a sign.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668178 - Tue Mar 09 2010 06:55 PM

Who could forget the "Baseball Card Boom" of the late '80s and early '90's.
- Card shops in every city, and shows every weekend. - I still have a bunch of hold Becketts from this time and read them from time to time. - There's an article that was written right after Upper Deck cards debuted. - The article discusses how another card set isn't needed, and what the effects of too many card types would do to the market. - Spot on. Too many brands and too many cards are what killed the market.

Glad to see the hobby showing signs of life.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: RememberMuni]
      #668198 - Tue Mar 09 2010 08:00 PM

Ya, my card collection was going to be handed down to my son (if I had one) or used to get a nice down payment on a summer car/motorcycle. Well, that was the plan in the early 90's. I bet I could get about $200 for all my cards now (thought $2,000). Oh well.

The guys on PTI were talking about how Orlando is really the team to beat in the East (recent win against LA and Cleveland injuries). And I'm happy to hear that. I'd rather go into that series as the "underdog" than the favorite. I think it would help the focus of our team. The team took their foot off the pedal against Orlando in Game 1 and never recovered. They need that feeling of being doubted.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668204 - Tue Mar 09 2010 08:19 PM

I have to tell Ya. Living here 30 miles away........I HATE the Tragic. Not so much from them beating us, but for the "bandwagon". These people have no idea about basketball. Is just the only game in town. Ask anyone who their #2 point is and You get a blank stare....But they cheer like no tomorrow. Nuttin else to do on a weekday. Have seen them cheer opposing players until they realize is not theirs. Props to the "Fat Man".......the only true Tragic Fan......

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #668207 - Tue Mar 09 2010 08:32 PM

Quote:

Ya, my card collection was going to be handed down to my son (if I had one) or used to get a nice down payment on a summer car/motorcycle. Well, that was the plan in the early 90's. I bet I could get about $200 for all my cards now (thought $2,000).




Same....

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: RememberMuni]
      #668209 - Tue Mar 09 2010 08:37 PM

Quote:

Who could forget the "Baseball Card Boom" of the late '80s and early '90's.
- Card shops in every city, and shows every weekend. - I still have a bunch of hold Becketts from this time and read them from time to time. - There's an article that was written right after Upper Deck cards debuted. - The article discusses how another card set isn't needed, and what the effects of too many card types would do to the market. - Spot on. Too many brands and too many cards are what killed the market.

Glad to see the hobby showing signs of life.




i think cards could become quite popular again, especially with modern technology, social networking, etc...

you can now interact with fans of other teams whom you can buy/trade/sell with...

plus they started making these jersey/patch cards, they take part of a game worn jersey by an athlete and put it into the card. sometimes they take the patch part of the jersey and make it into a card which is worth more. sometimes they are autographed which booms the value, lebron patch auto cards go for quite a bit.

i've got one lebron patch card from his second year.

panini does some cool things too, they take the letter off the back of the jersey and place it into a card. people have entire names from the cards on ebay. someone had chase budinger's entire name spelled out, that's pretty cool, i might try and go after a lebron thing and have it made into a picture.

as far as too many card companies, the nba is going back old school, panini will now be the exclusive distributor of nba basketball cards, no upper deck, no fleer, no topps, etc... just panini.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668213 - Tue Mar 09 2010 08:48 PM

Having to watch the Wizards/Rockets game to get my NBA fix, man this is a sad thing to watch, a team totally devoid of talent. Reminds me of the pre-LBJ Cavs. Cleveland fans are seriously witnessing something special these past few seasons, I sincerely hope LBJ resigns. On a side note, Cavs fans are also blessed with great commentators. Austin Carr and Company are VERY good at their job, compared to these smucks announcing the Wiz game.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #668219 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:11 PM

ya I thought I was going to blow my brains out yesterday listening to the Spurs crew here in Austin for the Cavs/Spurs game... They even claimed that our team was 'Clippers' quality without James and Shaq. whoops!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: gage]
      #668221 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:18 PM

without lebron, shaq, mo, andy, jj, delonte, antawn, you might be able to make that argument...

fred mcleod has grown on me, i was not a fan of his.

it's funny, i didn't like mcleod when he took over, and i loved reghi, now i love mcleod's work and can't stand reghi's afternoon show.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668222 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:24 PM

Reghi's afternoon show BLOWS. Thats when I turn off and start listening to podcasts or music. He seriously annoys me to no end, almost as bad ass Goldhammer.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #668225 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:29 PM

i think goldhammer sometimes says a lot of stuff tongue in cheek...

reghi just blows my mind sometimes. it's like he has to go against the grain just so he can be that guy.

he wants to be the guy who pointed and said, see, i told ya so, whenever a cleveland team loses or something doesn't work out...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668228 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:33 PM

Goldhammer really grinds my gears with his game show voice, "Do it LIIIIIVVVVEEEE!" God I HATE that.

Whenever they do the bonus round I have to switch to something else.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #668234 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:45 PM

i get a kick out of the bonus round. i just love the stupidity in it. and when people try and sneak in a crack on hammer before they get run after 5 seconds.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668245 - Tue Mar 09 2010 10:26 PM

Full strength Celtics just lost to that same Milkwalkee team we lost to minus Lebron.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #668282 - Tue Mar 09 2010 11:50 PM

Celtics almost (and should've) dropped one to the Wiz on Sunday, too.

Hoping to see Toronto down the Lakers tonight.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #668345 - Wed Mar 10 2010 07:43 AM

Just checked the scoreboard, but didn't get past "Kobe get another last-second shot,..."

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #668425 - Wed Mar 10 2010 11:00 AM

I am baffled at how many teams just let it happen. You KNOW Kobe is taking the last shot - you know it, I know it, the American people know it - why is there never a suffocating double team thrown at the guy in the final minutes?

I know that Gasol, Odom, Bynum etc are not bums but you have to make them beat you instead of the primo ballhog of the NBA.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: bigdatut]
      #668429 - Wed Mar 10 2010 11:11 AM

Baffle,...weak word.

Just pickin' on ya',....I was too. But, the Lakers 'probably' have a good backup plan to dish if the double-team does come, so it's make or break.

Not jealous, but I'd like to have that kind of talent. The boy has it and he makes it work. Every time is getting old, but gotta hand it to him.

I'd still be mad if it had been anyone else, in terms of the homecourt lead, but as -- I think LBJ pointed out -- the math just isn't there unless the Cavs really tank these last 16/17.

Now, taking full advantage of, and destroying people because we have earned home court is another story. There, hopefully, we'll use it get big enough leads to keep shooters like Kobe from being in that situation in the first place,....


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #668447 - Wed Mar 10 2010 11:52 AM

i think you automatically double kobe in that situation, especially with ariza gone who can knock down the shot, i know fisher has done it before but he just looks old right now, i'll take my chances with kobe doubled than kobe singled and even defended perfectly.

for all the talk about kobe hitting game winners, he did miss one not too long ago, it was either miami or orlando...

for all the talk of jordan hitting game winners i believe he missed more than he made, so take that for what it is, it might be playing the percentages to single him, although tell that to lenny wilkens....

nobody else on the lakers scares me in that situation...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668448 - Wed Mar 10 2010 11:57 AM

I would think you'd double Kobe, and pack the lane with the other three guys. Jump out when they pass it to a shooter not named Kobe and force someone else to hit a mid-range jumper.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668450 - Wed Mar 10 2010 11:59 AM

It was against Orlando that he missed a game winner. I like him having to make game winners, keep it up lakers! I am enjoying them looking like they dont want to play right now. I hope the attitude continues into the post season.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #668468 - Wed Mar 10 2010 12:31 PM

seems like the lakers have had a ton of those situations. how many game winners has lebron had a chance to take this year? the only one that comes to mind immediately is the chicago game early in the year.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668484 - Wed Mar 10 2010 01:10 PM

They talked about this on one of the pregame shows on ABC a few weeks back. They had the %s of game winners hit, they talked about Kobe, Wade, Carmelo and LeBron, LeBron was by far the lowest in % made. I think Carmelo actually had the highest.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #668629 - Wed Mar 10 2010 04:20 PM

LOL ... the word out of LA is that the Clippers fired Dunleavy as their GM to offer Lebron the opportunity to pick his own head coach and possibly even the GM if he were to sign with them during free agency. "Hey Lebron, play here! We're such a mess we'll let you pick the front office FOR us!"

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #668633 - Wed Mar 10 2010 04:24 PM

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LOL ... the word out of LA is that the Clippers fired Dunleavy as their GM to offer Lebron the opportunity to pick his own head coach and possibly even the GM if he were to sign with them during free agency. "Hey Lebron, play here! We're such a mess we'll let you pick the front office FOR us!"




it would be funny if he replied to them that he'd like Mike Brown and Danny Ferry.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Referee7]
      #668837 - Thu Mar 11 2010 05:31 AM

Brian Windhorst Podcast from 03/10/10 here.

My recap of it for people who what to know what he had to say:

Brian says that the win over San Antonio without LeBron was impressive and it should have positive effects on the rest of the team, especially their morale.

He says Powe is still favoring his leg but he's getting through it. Powe likely would have played against San Antonio if Blair had played more due to matchups, and also Hickson was having one of his better games of the season defensively. Those 2 things limited Powe's floor time. Powe will play most of his minutes against shorter more physical types like Glen Davis or against smaller teams like Atlanta. When Z resigns in two weeks, Powe is out of the rotation anyway so it's probably a moot point. Doesn't think Powe should be a rotation player in the playoffs.

Powe didn't like it when Brian questioned his lack of athleticism pre-injury and seemed offended by the comment. Powe is good at playing angles and playing with leverage, and knows how to do what it takes to get the job done. He won't look impressive athletically and it won't work against all defenders. Mike Brown likes Powe's stoutness and the fact that he will throw his body around and foul people hard. Brian wouldn't be surprised to see Darnell Jackson play ahead of Powe again at some point in these next two weeks before Z returns. Doesn't seem all that high on Powe at all.

Brian said the Cavs were aware of Jamison's knee issues when they traded for him and Jamison has been wearing a wrap on his knee the majority of the season. He likely will be bothered by it the rest of the season and the rest of his career. Jamison said he just needed to rest his knee and get treatment but Mike Brown may err on the side of caution and sit Jamison on Friday. Jamison wants to play Friday if he can go and at this point he thinks his odds are good.

Brian doesn't think its a big deal at all that Jamison is missing practices becasue of his knee. He says Jamison is acclimating quickly both offensively and defensively and that Jamison will have to keep an eye on his knees the rest of this season, next season, and the year after but he knows his body and what he can and can't do. The fact that there are no back to backs in the playoffs and only two back to backs the rest of the regular season should help out in that regard. If his knee were to stiffen up in the playoffs, he would have at least a day before the next game.

Brian thinks Mo's recent play is a little alarming. Mo was facing pressure in Milwaukee and didn't respond too well like he also didn't respond well last year in the playoffs. He didn't play with confidence and it really showed in the Magic series. With LeBron and Shaq out, it was a great opportunity for Mo to respond to pressure and he handled it poorly and also took the game very personally. One good sign is that he responded well in the Spurs game, especially in the 2nd half defensively. Mo is a very emotional and streaky player; the Cavs simply cannot afford Mo to repeat his performance from the 2009 playoffs. Not a coincidence that the two big wins at LA and at Orlando both featured Mo playing extremely well.

Brian says Mo is fine with going from being the #2 option to being the #4 option. Mo relies a lot on LeBron setting him up most of the time and needs to be off the ball more. If you ask Mo to play point guard for 40 minutes, his game will likely suffer. Mo plays best when he doesn't have to handle the ball or make decisions under pressure. Mo is usually at his best when he can be fed shots in pressure situations instead of having to create his own. Brian thinks Mo is the best shooter LeBron has played with in his career, even better than Gibson. The Cavs pretty much know what they are going to get from LeBron, Shaq, and Antawn every night, but the Cavs don't know what they are going to get from Mo and Delonte every night. If those two guys are on, the Cavs are virtually impossible to beat.

Brian says that in transition offense/free flowing offense against bad defensive teams like New Jersey, LeBron is the best option at point guard. In half court/grind it out possession offense against good defenses like Los Angeles, he thinks LeBron should be off the ball. LeBron enjoys running and the team enjoys running, but deep in the playoffs things will inevitably bog down and the games will slow down and LeBron will be at his best off the ball.

Brian doesn't think playing Shaq and Z will be a problem because when one of them is in at center, the other won't be in. The real question is what to do with Hickson. Hickson is by far at his best when he starts, but that isn't going to happen when Shaq comes back. The Hickson/Shaq pairing and the Varejao/Z pairing both have worked very well this year, but with Jamison in the as the starting power forward, how do you find minutes for everyone? When you're playing Orlando, you don't really want Hickson to ever have to guard Rashard Lewis. JJ's development has been phenomenal and it will be disappointing if he isn't allowed to continue that, but it's just going to be tough for all five bigs to see minutes in the playoffs.

Brian has concerns about the Center position considering Shaq/Z's age and upcoming free agency status. Dwight Howard is not going away anytime soon and the Cavaliers will have to go out and find someone to help slow Dwight Howard down after Shaq and Z hang it up. He says you don't have to find a Shaq, but you do have to find a big body who can body Dwight up. Varejao/Hickson can both play center and will both work against 26 or 27 of the teams in the league, but not against the Magic or the Lakers. On the flip side, other elite teams are asking themselves the same questions about LeBron James and he cites Matt Barnes and Ron Artest as two examples of guys brought in to do the job.

Brian doesn't think Mo or Antawn will be given too much time off before the playoffs start. The Cavs have a pretty light schedule down the stretch, nothing brutal like 4 games in 5 nights or anything coming up. Mike Brown may try and avoid playing guys if they are injured, but for the most part the schedule doesn't seem to warrant guys needing games off.

Brian says the Cavs are 50-15 with Parker as the starting shooting guard, he says the guy makes 2.5M dollars and has done his job extremely well. He has been everything the Cavs have wanted in terms of shooting and defense. Parker off the curl has not been as big of a part of the Cavs offense as Brian expected before the year started but he is still doing a solid job. Delonte is playing great right now off the bench, but Parker has been too steady to take out of the lineup. If Delonte is playing well, he's going to be in the 4th quarter finishing lineup anyway ahead of Parker and that's what he says matters most.

Brian says the Cavs told Shaq it was ok to not be on the bench while he was injured. Shaq was instructed to take 2 weeks to do absolutely nothing while the thumb heals and essentially the Cavs gave him those two weeks off as a vacation. The team is giving him space, but they are monitoring him and making sure he isn't gaining weight. Shaq is spending time with his kids since they do not live in Cleveland with him currently.

Brian says the Magic are a huge threat still, and the Magic and Lakers are the only two teams in the NBA that he thinks can possibly beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. The Magic have the easiest schedule down the stretch, just 8 road games and 8 games against winning teams left. The Magic should be on a nice roll heading into the playoffs and that might work against us. Brian hopes Boston doesn't fall to the 4th seed because he would not want to go Boston/Orlando in back to back series. The Celtics don't have the horses to eliminate the Cavaliers this season, but it wouldn't be an easy series. Brian then switched gears and went on a rant about Rafer Alston. He is surprised that Alston had a meltdown for Miami and essentially got kicked off the team, he feels like Alston was probably the biggest reason why Orlando knocked the Cavs out last year considering he's so undependable and he came through with one of the best stretches of his career. The Cavs defense last year was based around guys like Alston and Pietrus beating them, and those guys had the best moments of their careers and beat them.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Mattack]
      #668926 - Thu Mar 11 2010 10:49 AM

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Brian has concerns about the Center position considering Shaq/Z's age and upcoming free agency status. Dwight Howard is not going away anytime soon and the Cavaliers will have to go out and find someone to help slow Dwight Howard down after Shaq and Z hang it up. He says you don't have to find a Shaq, but you do have to find a big body who can body Dwight up. Varejao/Hickson can both play center and will both work against 26 or 27 of the teams in the league, but not against the Magic or the Lakers. On the flip side, other elite teams are asking themselves the same questions about LeBron James and he cites Matt Barnes and Ron Artest as two examples of guys brought in to do the job.




This is a big concern looking forward. Im not worrying about it right now as I am enjoying this ride, but Ferry is going to have to work some magic in the future to address this.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: brownsfan2119]
      #669000 - Thu Mar 11 2010 12:51 PM

Will tomorrow never get here??

This four day off span is like a lifetime without basketball, lol.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #669018 - Thu Mar 11 2010 01:23 PM

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Will tomorrow never get here??

This four day off span is like a lifetime without basketball, lol.




i know i need my fix, luckily i have the nba league pass so i was able to watch some games last night.

i really love watching that thunder team play, they are fun. i can really see okc becoming kinda like portland where the town just wraps their arms around that team regardless of how good they are.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #669146 - Thu Mar 11 2010 05:24 PM

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i really love watching that thunder team play, they are fun. i can really see okc becoming kinda like portland where the town just wraps their arms around that team regardless of how good they are.




Well, given the amount of talent on that team, I don't think they need to worry about them not being good anytime soon. It's kind of sick really.

I have NBALP as well and it's worth every penny. Aside from the Cavs, I'd say I enjoy watching Tyreke Evans the most. He's kind of like LeBron, in that he has that incredibly rare combination of both size and speed. It's fun to watch him out run some of the smaller guards in transition and then punish them with his physicality in the half court. Kind of amazing he's only 20 years old. Kind of got that 'old soul' vibe in the way he plays.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Nas320]
      #669170 - Thu Mar 11 2010 05:51 PM

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Quote:

i really love watching that thunder team play, they are fun. i can really see okc becoming kinda like portland where the town just wraps their arms around that team regardless of how good they are.




Well, given the amount of talent on that team, I don't think they need to worry about them not being good anytime soon. It's kind of sick really.

I have NBALP as well and it's worth every penny. Aside from the Cavs, I'd say I enjoy watching Tyreke Evans the most. He's kind of like LeBron, in that he has that incredibly rare combination of both size and speed. It's fun to watch him out run some of the smaller guards in transition and then punish them with his physicality in the half court. Kind of amazing he's only 20 years old. Kind of got that 'old soul' vibe in the way he plays.




nbalp is great except for the fact that is's 2010 and i still can't get hd, and yes, i know, there are bigger tragedies in life.

but, watching a game on standard def makes me think we're backin 1993, seriously, i watched the cavs game the other night and was waiting for nance and ehlo to check in.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #669642 - Fri Mar 12 2010 04:50 PM

Ok, Broussard is the ESPN resident Cavs guy and Adande is the resident ESPN Lakers guy.

But still....insert LeBron for Kobe and other associated references. But, ESPN would never allow it to be written that way.

(from Adande's chat today)

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Barry (Florida)J.A. Thanks for chatting with us today. I have a question regarding the free agent class for 2010. How come none of the reporters covering the NBA ever mention Kobe as a free agent when he can opt out of his contract at the end of this season? Kobe has already refused to sign a contract extension that has been offered to him by the Lakers. If the Lakers fail to reach the NBA finals or fail to win the championship I think there is a very strong possibility that Kobe leaves considering all the problems he has had with his teammates not playing as hard as he believes they can be playing.

J.A. AdandeOne reason you don't hear the media talking about it is people around the league don't talk about it. No one believes he's gonna leave. Which of the teams with big cap space would give him a better shot of winning a championship than the Lakers? As doom and gloomy as it's been in LA lately, the Lakers still have the best record in the Western Conference.





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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #669697 - Fri Mar 12 2010 06:49 PM

leon powe is going to start at the 4 tonight

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #669700 - Fri Mar 12 2010 06:56 PM

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leon powe is going to start at the 4 tonight




thanks for the info, that should be interesting.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #669718 - Fri Mar 12 2010 07:31 PM

powe has looked ok since coming back, he looks ok getting down the floor, looks strong enough to bang down low.

i really hope he can help us out in the playoffs. if these series' start getting to slow, slug it out, half court games, a guy who plays like that under the glass can become quite valuable.

i just worry because the guy is young but has had several knee surgeries. i hope he can keep it together. definitely root harder for him after hearing about how he had to grow up.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #669748 - Fri Mar 12 2010 08:47 PM

We're playing Knicks-style defense tonight. Yay.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #669766 - Fri Mar 12 2010 09:26 PM

free throws

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #669813 - Sat Mar 13 2010 12:15 AM

Only able to watch some of the first half in tonight's game. What was everyone's thoughts on Powe's play? The stat sheet is rather unimpressive.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #669824 - Sat Mar 13 2010 01:00 AM

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What was everyone's thoughts on Powe's play?




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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #669827 - Sat Mar 13 2010 01:40 AM

I would assume that he looks like a guy playing his 6th game, for his new team, since returning from major injury .....? (and 2 of those without Lebron)

Way too early to tell anything. He was a solid player with Boston ... but was a 7-8 point and 4-5 rebound per game kind of player .... not a guy to put together 20 and 10 kind of nights.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
      #670442 - Sun Mar 14 2010 01:59 PM

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Perkins: Cavs Haven't Won Anything, Are Better Without Shaq


Mar 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST

Celtics center Kendrick Perkins says that the Cavaliers still haven't won anything this season and that they are better without center Shaquille O'Neal.

Perkins was aware that his comments would be taken as trash talk, but he proceeded with him anyway.

"They still haven"t won nothing," he said Saturday of Cleveland. "They're just the best team in the league. They still haven't done nothing we haven't done. Right now, they're the best team in the league and we just got to go at them."

O'Neal has been sidelined with an injured right thumb he suffered against the Celtics on Feb. 25. The Cavs hope to get O'Neal back for the playoffs, but have gone 7-1 without the legendary center.

"In my opinion, I think they're better," Perkins said. "They can run more. You've got Anderson Varejao, who's more of an active body. He gets LeBron (James) open a lot - opens up the paint for him.

"I think they're a better team. Obviously Shaq can help them, but I think they're better - a more fast-paced team."




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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #670447 - Sun Mar 14 2010 02:09 PM

Better late than never I guess in that Andy is actually getting some positive recognition by other players. I actually heard Van Gundy say something good about him last telecast instead of calling him a flopper (which Andy abandoned 2 seasons ago). Andy should be winner of 6th man of the year.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #670449 - Sun Mar 14 2010 02:13 PM

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Andy should be winner of 6th man of the year.




It should be a lock, but we'll see if he gets the credit he deserves.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Psydeffect]
      #670504 - Sun Mar 14 2010 04:29 PM

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Andy should be winner of 6th man of the year.




It should be a lock, but we'll see if he gets the credit he deserves.




Andy is as Andy does. Anther AV game. 1000% effort and energy. Doesn't get much help from refs while getting abused. You can see Boston knows they have to lean to the dirty side if they are going to compete.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #670547 - Sun Mar 14 2010 05:36 PM

I propose a new drinking game...

You have to do a shot every time Van Gundy says Andy flops in a telecast. I really can't stand that guy as an announcer.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #670658 - Sun Mar 14 2010 06:29 PM

AV is huge for us as a sixth man. In years past when he started for us he did well, but our second unit minus LBJ would always lead to terrible 2nd quarter performances. When he's out there, the entire unit plays harder.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: gage]
      #670683 - Sun Mar 14 2010 06:42 PM

Can't believe they called that a flop when Perkins hip checked varejao into the boards er the crowd

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #670789 - Sun Mar 14 2010 08:13 PM

Just watched the Lebron Documentary, "More than a Game" last night. Even my wife really loved it! Very good movie, and it's not a movie about Lebron. It covers him and his 4 closest friends, as well as his coach. Watching it, you have to admire how loyal he is, and wonder how he could possibly ditch his current teammates for New York.

Highly recommend watching it.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #670863 - Sun Mar 14 2010 09:08 PM

i wanna buy it but there is no blu ray, and i have a feeling a blu ray may come out later on.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #670957 - Sun Mar 14 2010 11:36 PM

if any of you guys missed the new 30 for 30, you have to see it if you're an nba fan. Reggie Miller versus the New York Knicks. it was awesome, i almost forgot how much i hated that knick team.

phenomenal episode though

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #670965 - Sun Mar 14 2010 11:50 PM

I got it Tivo'd. Been watching NCAA tournament coverage since 6pm lol. I plan on watching it tomorrow.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #671088 - Mon Mar 15 2010 10:19 AM

I watched it.. Thought it was pretty good

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #671090 - Mon Mar 15 2010 10:23 AM

Loved that the Cavs got to throw it back in the Celtics/Perkins face. I am seriously tired of the Celtics and their thrash talking. They should be more worried about not being bounced in the first round of the playoffs and less concerned with what the Cavs are doing.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #671170 - Mon Mar 15 2010 12:23 PM

J/C..

We need to start MAKING free throws.. I don't want to nitpick, but I am.. This is something we can get away with now, but NOT in the playoffs..

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #671173 - Mon Mar 15 2010 12:29 PM

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Only able to watch some of the first half in tonight's game. What was everyone's thoughts on Powe's play? The stat sheet is rather unimpressive.




he made his free throws which can't be said for some other noteworthy cavs


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: playoffmaker]
      #671178 - Mon Mar 15 2010 12:42 PM

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J/C..

We need to start MAKING free throws.. I don't want to nitpick, but I am.. This is something we can get away with now, but NOT in the playoffs..




I don't think you are nitpicking at all. Definitely a concern for me. Its like that stain commercial where there is the guy in a job interview and all the potential employer can focus on is the mumbling / screaming / talking stain on the guy's shirt.

It can end up doing them in close contests, no doubt. Not sure at this point what can be done. Trying to fix something like that sometimes makes it worse. People alligator arm that much more as they start trying to place the ball and concentrating on mechanics instead of just shooting the ball like they've done their entire lives.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #671187 - Mon Mar 15 2010 12:48 PM

i find it weird that guys come here and struggle at the line more than they ever have. larry hughes and donyell marshall were like that, mo has been ok, but not antawn is struggling, i don't get it.

if i were the coach i'd make all those guys hit 10 in a row before they could get off the floor in practice

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #671271 - Mon Mar 15 2010 02:16 PM

I-Rogue,

Like you said, not much can be done about it.. It's more about what LBJ is saying.. Making an effort to put in the extra work after practice.. LB and Jamison are going to be at the line a lot in the playoffs.. Need to focus and be around an 80% clip..

Come to think of it, we lost the Denver game at home because of free throws..

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: playoffmaker]
      #671279 - Mon Mar 15 2010 02:20 PM

Agreed that free throws are an issue.

On a different note, I love watching Hickson and Andy play. We really have a complete team here. This is awesome.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: playoffmaker]
      #671282 - Mon Mar 15 2010 02:21 PM

We've lost a couple of games because of FT's.

I haven't watched a lot of basketball in my life, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a worse team at the line. We routinely miss the easiest shot in the game.... the one shot that every player practices since they're big enough to hit the park and play some HORSE.


Oddly, however, Shaq has improved.... and I laughed at the one comment yesterday that we need to get Shaq back into town ASAP to give Jamison some lessons.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #671284 - Mon Mar 15 2010 02:23 PM

The team that made it to the finals was even worse at FTs. That was the worst FT shooting team I have seen. The Cavs and Spurs that year were the worst FT shooting teams in the league, a bit of an anomaly I suppose.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #671372 - Mon Mar 15 2010 04:33 PM

If this is our only anomaly, I'll take it.

Suspecting that all above is gospel, it'd be better that LBJ and Jamison go the line than Shaq,...


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #671432 - Mon Mar 15 2010 05:40 PM

Quote:

The Cavs and Spurs that year were the worst FT shooting teams in the league




Interesting

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: RememberMuni]
      #671443 - Mon Mar 15 2010 05:48 PM

Quote:

Agreed that free throws are an issue.

On a different note, I love watching Hickson and Andy play. We really have a complete team here. This is awesome.




definitely, and not not only complete, but with some of the older guys like shaq, jamison, and soon to be z, we also have a bunch of young guys to go along with guys who are right in their prime, lebron, mo, delonte...

it's a nice mix, and we didn't have to sell out like miami did a few years ago, loading up on aging veterans, to get where we are, danny ferry was dealt a tough hand early on and has turned it into a full house.

as far as the free throw shooting goes, after seeing lbj hit probably the biggest free throws of his life against orlando last year (remember, i it took us into overtime) i have no doubt in mind he will hit them when it counts. as far as jamison goes, i just don't get it, hopefully it is just a problem that weeds itself out. i wish i had a better take on the issue.

i like our depth, because antawn fits in really welll in certain spots, and when he isn't quite a favorable matchup, we have other guys who could be, hickson, andy, powe to a certain extent.

i think we can asemble ourselves to counter just about any matchup.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #671618 - Mon Mar 15 2010 10:35 PM

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if any of you guys missed the new 30 for 30, you have to see it if you're an nba fan. Reggie Miller versus the New York Knicks. it was awesome, i almost forgot how much i hated that knick team.

phenomenal episode though




Dang, you weren't kidding. That was awesome! I had a feeling it was a keeper, so it went to the DVR knowing I was going to be busy for a few days.

I gotta tell you, as much as it pains me to say this...I was so proud of those Pacer teams. The way Reggie played in the Game 5 of 94 and Game 1 of 96 brought back some crazy memories. In fact, I don't think I've ever felt so excited after watching Game 5 in my college apartment by myself. It was such a rush*.

And that layup by Ewing was brutal. I still feel for the guy. Just like I feel for Scott Norwood. Right before each play I was hoping they'd miss....until it happened. Man, brutal.

That was two great years of NBA action.

*It's hard for me to "enjoy" Cleveland sports games since I'm so nervous. Watching Game 5 was just pure enjoyment for me. I had a rooting interest and it didn't affect my Cleveland fandom. Man, what a rush!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #671619 - Mon Mar 15 2010 10:37 PM

Even Jordan and the Bulls would not have been able to stop LeBron with Miller,....

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #671638 - Mon Mar 15 2010 11:45 PM

I caught that film on ESPN last night as well. Really fun to watch.

At the moment I'm watching ESPN in hopes that the Warriors can take down the Lakers.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #671647 - Tue Mar 16 2010 12:05 AM

It's on on ESPN2 right now for anyone that missed it...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #671654 - Tue Mar 16 2010 12:31 AM

Quote:

Quote:

if any of you guys missed the new 30 for 30, you have to see it if you're an nba fan. Reggie Miller versus the New York Knicks. it was awesome, i almost forgot how much i hated that knick team.

phenomenal episode though




Dang, you weren't kidding. That was awesome! I had a feeling it was a keeper, so it went to the DVR knowing I was going to be busy for a few days.

I gotta tell you, as much as it pains me to say this...I was so proud of those Pacer teams. The way Reggie played in the Game 5 of 94 and Game 1 of 96 brought back some crazy memories. In fact, I don't think I've ever felt so excited after watching Game 5 in my college apartment by myself. It was such a rush*.

And that layup by Ewing was brutal. I still feel for the guy. Just like I feel for Scott Norwood. Right before each play I was hoping they'd miss....until it happened. Man, brutal.

That was two great years of NBA action.

*It's hard for me to "enjoy" Cleveland sports games since I'm so nervous. Watching Game 5 was just pure enjoyment for me. I had a rooting interest and it didn't affect my Cleveland fandom. Man, what a rush!




that knick team was just as bas as the pistons with the cheap stuff. john starks, anthony mason, those guys were a bunch of thugs.

sometimes i wish the league were kinda like that. where hard fouls weren't flagrant, you could hand check guys a little more...

i think a lot of the younger generation of nba fans don't realize how good reggie miller was. they remember him more for getting lebron'd at the rim by tayshaun prince in the conference finals, instead of remembering him for being a basketball warrior.

it'd be really cool if they did a 30 for 30 involving something cleveland related, hopefully not our downfalls, maybe something on jim brown or how about the city fought to get the browns back.

there are still 3 episodes tba.

the jimmy the greek episode and the university of miami football episode were both top notch.

for those that don't know, espn gave 30 different sports stories to 30 different filmmakers and had them make thes specials.

i think they are selling them on amazon, i might buy winning time, i liked it that much.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #671851 - Tue Mar 16 2010 01:34 PM

I didn't like the Jimmy the Greek one that much.

I thought they focused too much on his downfall in the TV business. I wish they would have focused more on his gambling...

JMO.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #671880 - Tue Mar 16 2010 02:14 PM

I couldn't believe Reggie hit 6 points in eight seconds. - Man was he awesome. - I loved how he started making the "choke" gesture toward Spike Lee.

- Basketball was really cool back then. - Those Knick teams with Starks, Mason, Ewing, Oakley, and the Bulls with MJ, Pippen, and co. - Special time for the NBA.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: RememberMuni]
      #672087 - Tue Mar 16 2010 10:16 PM

Cavs didn't even look like they were trying until the 3rd qt. tonight. Also in YOUR FACE Charlie V. Thats what you get for not coming to the Cavs, you didn't even start tonight!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #672241 - Wed Mar 17 2010 10:06 AM

charlie v's outside shooting in the 3rd and 4th was pretty darn good...

good game though, detroit's guys have really given us all we could handle in the last 2 games... we're down a few guys, they're down quite a few as well..

mo was on fire though, good to see lebron feeding him the ball late in the game. i want more of that and less of lebron taking stupid 3's. i don't find the 45 foot 3 bomb every once in a while because it can deflate a team, but when he's constantly doing it we're killing ourselves. it's not often, but sometimes i think lbj still thinks he has eric snow and ira newble out there with him...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #672258 - Wed Mar 17 2010 10:37 AM

Detroit "down" a few players,...noted,...but this team is playing well -- very well -- without it's full load, especially when LeBron plays, as you intimated, with more control.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #672266 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:02 AM

Quote:

Detroit "down" a few players,...noted,...but this team is playing well -- very well -- without it's full load, especially when LeBron plays, as you intimated, with more control.




we're giving up too many buckets around the rim, but i guess that is to be expected when your only 7 footers are either hurt or waiting to come back.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #672270 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:09 AM

Without being too much of a basketball "technician," I would sense Shaq and Z can shore that weakness up some.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #672275 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Without being too much of a basketball "technician," I would sense Shaq and Z can shore that weakness up some.




haha, pretty much, that is one thing that i love having about shaq, he is not afraid to make sure guys have to earn their points at the foul line. he just needs to be smarter about it against orlando.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #672508 - Wed Mar 17 2010 06:44 PM

jc...

I saw Shaq today. The man is enormous.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #672511 - Wed Mar 17 2010 06:47 PM

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jc...

I saw Shaq today. The man is enormous.




http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1985/memphislogo.jpg

He's about the size of a grizzly so it makes sense


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #672535 - Wed Mar 17 2010 07:51 PM

Where did you see Shaq?

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Rambo]
      #672544 - Wed Mar 17 2010 08:09 PM

Legacy Village

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #672624 - Wed Mar 17 2010 11:22 PM

Watching the game tonight - and it struck me that what I was watching was much akin to watching a Lion play with its food.

That was a seriously fun game tonight, hehe.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #672638 - Thu Mar 18 2010 12:26 AM

Quote:

it struck me




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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #672666 - Thu Mar 18 2010 08:05 AM

j/c,...I love the math on clinching the Central Division,...

The Pacers had 17 games left before last night,...like the Cavs were going to lose 14 straight while Indiana won 17 in a row.

This thing was over long before last night's "clinch."


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #672702 - Thu Mar 18 2010 10:34 AM

Cavs are really rolling right now.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #672715 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:03 AM

And,...without everybody,...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #672726 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:16 AM

i love when the team adoped that "no excuses" mentality years back. i think it's paying off now. you don't have a true big, shaq is hurt, z is in limbo, but because of your depth, and because guys are stepping it up, the team just keeps going. that is the true mark of a championship team.

glad to hear that shaq appears to be in great shape, despite the fact that he has not played or practiced in a few weeks

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #672738 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:42 AM

Aren't we 4 days away from Z signing?

Man, it would be great to be in the arena when Z gets announced as a starter. Talk about a standing O.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #672741 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:44 AM

Monday is the day. I think Z asked Ferry to do the trade this way on purpose so he could watch the full first 4 days of the tourney

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #672744 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:47 AM

I disagree, they are not playing good defense right now. Recently, they have played 2 vastly inferior teams....and to add to that both of those teams were missing people(making them even MORE inferior) and they allowed both teams to stay in the game the entire time.

If we were "rolling" LeBron would have no business whatsoever playing in the 4th quarter.

But we are winning...which is good...and we are doing it without either of our BIG men. So something can be said for that. We are taking advantage of a weak part of the schedule....But I don't want to be fooled by thinking that nothing is going wrong. Because the defense has been outright soft by true"Cavalier" standards...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #672746 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Aren't we 4 days away from Z signing?

Man, it would be great to be in the arena when Z gets announced as a starter. Talk about a standing O.




Can't sign him till the 21st, and that's when we start a small road trip. So his frist game at the Q won't be until the 28th against Sacramento. his first nationally televised game at the Q won't be until Apr 2 against Atlanta.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PETE314]
      #672748 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:55 AM

we are sleepwalking through the 1st halves of games against inferior opponents.

then, we are putting the pedal to the metal and blowing them out for chunks of the 2nd half.


positive: we are showing that we don't need to play at 100% to beat these teams, but are also showing we know exactly how much we need to make sure we don't lose.

negative: it is a dangerous trap to get into by not playing at a high level for the entire game. one that we fell into last spring with 2 easy playoff matchups before Orlando.

on the negative though, LA last year around this time and Boston the year before got into the same type of traps and they both rebounded to win the title. the only important thing at this point is getting the #1 overall seed while staying healthy. we should have a more challening first 2 rounds of the playoffs this year that will get us better prepared for the rest.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #672750 - Thu Mar 18 2010 11:59 AM

I almost get the feeling they WANT to challenge themselves, to show to themselves that they can win a tight game in crunch time. So they toy around for 3 quarters and then win it when it counts.

I just hope they can put the pedal to the floor for an entire 4 quarters when the playoffs come.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #672754 - Thu Mar 18 2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

I almost get the feeling they WANT to challenge themselves, to show to themselves that they can win a tight game in crunch time. So they toy around for 3 quarters and then win it when it counts.

I just hope they can put the pedal to the floor for an entire 4 quarters when the playoffs come.




I recall last year the team sittting LBJ in 4th quarters because the games were run-a-ways and when it got to play-off time pundits and fans questioned if the lack of 4th quarter gut checks would do them in. To a certain degree I believe it did. There is some positive in the need of 4th quarter lock downs this year...but I also don't want them to think they can do that at will to the better teams. Maybe an early 1st round test this year would be good.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #672761 - Thu Mar 18 2010 12:25 PM

the defense has not been good because we're letting easy buckets happen around the rim. layups, dunks, but that goes with losing both of your 7 footers.

when shaq was in, we were the usual defensive juggernaut.

i'm not really worried about the season anymore. the cavs don't really get hot/cold, they are who they are. they rely on defense, other teams deal with hot and cold because they are more offense oriented. shooting comes and goes. defense just takes the effort.

when the cavs eventually matchup with orlando, because that series is probably coming, it won't matter how the cavs played before, it will matter on health, and how the cavs execute. can shaq stay out of foul trouble, can we close out on their shooters, etc...

what should be applauded right now is the cavs ability to adapt to a situation. everyone rips mike brown, but nobody wants to give him credit where credit is due. everyone loves to rip his offense (cavs have averaged ridiculous offensive numbers over the last 2 months)

being able to adapt is something that can get you a championship.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #673870 - Sun Mar 21 2010 11:44 PM

We should be re-signing Z any time now

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #673872 - Sun Mar 21 2010 11:48 PM

13 more minutes till we resign Z!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #673876 - Sun Mar 21 2010 11:56 PM

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13 more minutes till we resign Z!




the report on espn I just saw said they dont' expect a deal until wed

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: superbowldogg]
      #673963 - Mon Mar 22 2010 10:44 AM

can't wait to get him back. i think it may take time for him to get to the point of playing significant minutes in significant moments in the game, but it will be great to have the big man back.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/03/cleveland_cavaliers_vs_detroit_1.html

looks like shaq looks great, and has vowed to come back in even better shape. i really hope he can get on the floor by the end of round 1 or beginning of round 2...

cavs looked great yesterday though. kinda sick of seeing detroit, that's like 3 games in the last 3 weeks against them.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #673965 - Mon Mar 22 2010 10:47 AM

i've been a bad fan the past couple weeks.

with the tourney kicking into high gear and the Cavs playing a bunch of lower level teams, I have barely watched any of the last few Cavs games.

that said, the first game Z comes back will certainly get my attention. less so for Shaq, but I'll still definitely watch.

can't wait for the playoffs. at this point, I really want the Heat just to watch Wade see what it's like to have a full team surrounding a superstar.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #673968 - Mon Mar 22 2010 10:54 AM

j/c

I've been a whiner when its come to the free throws, so I must give props when they take care of charity stripe. Last 2 games...

23 of 29 yesterday for 79%
24 of 28 against the Bulls for about 86%

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #673973 - Mon Mar 22 2010 10:56 AM

I didn't get a chance to watch them yesterday but I get up with it via boxscore. I like the easy wins bc it means less minutes for the starters. Really impressed with Powe's progression, on cleveland.com they had a thing on him and the dunk he had. He was happy that his knee did well and handled the dunk. I think its all about regaining confidence in his knee.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #673980 - Mon Mar 22 2010 11:04 AM

he finally broke through and had a decent game. he's the type of guy you want out there in the playoffs. someone who is going to play nasty in the paint. who is going to fight for those tough rebounds.

there is no guarantee he sees the floor in the playoffs, because of our depth and his uncertainty, but if he's good enough to get out there, i love it.

the guy is an incredible story, even aside from the injuries, read about how he was brought up.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #673996 - Mon Mar 22 2010 11:34 AM

He was a free throw machine last night... it was fun to watch. Seemed like he was getting to the stripe every time I blinked... I thought he was gonna get their whole team to foul out!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #674037 - Mon Mar 22 2010 12:45 PM

Quote:

He was a free throw machine last night... it was fun to watch. Seemed like he was getting to the stripe every time I blinked... I thought he was gonna get their whole team to foul out!




This would be huge in a series with Orlando or the Lakers ... if he can draw fouls against Dwight or Gasol, that would be immense.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #674135 - Mon Mar 22 2010 02:54 PM

cavs are #1 in stein's rankings. i don't put a ton of stock into these because it's a flavor of the week type of thing. but they are fun.

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings?year=2010&week=21

love the bit about the cavs though

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Big Z comes back soon. Leon Powe has started to contribute. And Shaq is apparently in OK shape while his thumb heals. The Cavs, folks, are heading to the playoffs with more momentum than last season's Cavs had.




i think milwaukee is much to high. yes they are playing well. yes they did beat denver. but that is an awful high ranking for a team that is probably not going to even win 50 games.

i cannot wait to blast them in the q in a week. i've heard some smack from some of my milwaukee people about how they are going to upstage us.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674137 - Mon Mar 22 2010 02:56 PM

Got some friends in New Orleans saying the same stuff to me about Wed's match up. They are acting like Thorton is the next great star to emerge in league, saying he is going to put up 40 against the Cavs.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674138 - Mon Mar 22 2010 02:57 PM

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i think milwaukee is much to high. yes they are playing well. yes they did beat denver. but that is an awful high ranking for a team that is probably not going to even win 50 games.




Statement game. Both sides will talk it down, but its a statement game. Bucks will be amped.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #674143 - Mon Mar 22 2010 03:03 PM

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Statement game. Both sides will talk it down, but its a statement game. Bucks will be amped.




it's a statement game for the Bucks. Let's be honest. While it's nice to keep the surging teams at bay, winning or losing this game will have little to nothing to do about the Cavs seed or confidence heading into the postseason.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #674146 - Mon Mar 22 2010 03:08 PM

i dunno if it is a statement game, because there is a decent chance, with the way things stand right now, that these 2 could meet up in the second round.

but i just want to blast them out of the quicken loans arena.

i think it is good tho. for the team, for the morale, to play someone who is challenging you instead of beating up these teams that are pretty much dead and don't care. just going thru the motions and finishing their season... ie chicago, detroit, etc..

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674571 - Tue Mar 23 2010 12:23 PM

lebron inks an extension with nike, i find that funny, because his nike contract is up this year, just further pointing out the stupidity of people who said there was an "escalator clause" in his nike deal.

why would you have an escalator clause in your deal that expires before your contract with the cavs?

morons. gotta love baseless comments from people who don't know what they're talking about.

there was no escalator clause in his contract. brian windhorst has shot this down several times.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674588 - Tue Mar 23 2010 12:43 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/03/ilgauskas_to_sign_1-year_deal.html

so the cavs signed z for the rest of the year, a pro rated vets minimum for the rest of the year. So correct me if I'm wrong, bit didn't z miss out on 1.5 million when he was bought by the wiz? Now we are are paying him 150k? Kinda sounds like he got shafted.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #674608 - Tue Mar 23 2010 01:22 PM

no, i think most of his $$ was paid up front this year, for this exact situation.

he also got a 600,000 trade kicker when he was dealt.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #674612 - Tue Mar 23 2010 01:29 PM

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Now we are are paying him 150k?




Larry Dolan called said we are overpaying.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #674615 - Tue Mar 23 2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Now we are are paying him 150k?




Larry Dolan called said we are overpaying.




i heard he told dan gilbert and danny ferry it would be wise to trade lebron right now, because he's in the last year of his deal, and you can get prospects for him.

hooray prospects!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674639 - Tue Mar 23 2010 02:04 PM

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i heard he told dan gilbert and danny ferry it would be wise to trade lebron right now, because he's in the last year of his deal, and you can get prospects for him.





The whole Nike escalator thing was so overblown. It was only in the first 3 years of his deal and expiried long before Fans and BSPN starting using it as a reason LBJ is leaving town.

My whole arguement was why would he leave to NY for a $5 million bonus when he could make an extra $30 mil by staying in Cleveland? Yet they always leave that tidbit out.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #674643 - Tue Mar 23 2010 02:10 PM

according to windy, there never was an escalator in that deal, not even in the first 3 years.

he said some of his other deals may have something similiar, but the money wouldn't nearly cover what the cavs can pay him extra from anyone else.

i heard several nba "experts" on espn use the escalator thing. jalen rose, jamal mashburn, steven a, tim legler...

i just love that the media has to really back off on the whole thing. it is so painfully obvious that the cavs are awesome, that his best option is to stay, that they can't even fabricate something. they have to basically wait for the playoffs.

that's what happens when you're ripping off 7 and 8 game winnings streaks, never losing more than 3 games in a month, and are watching young players blossom into solid contributors (here's looking at you, jj and jawad)

the fact that we're winning with jj hickson starting at the 5 tells you what this team is all about.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #674652 - Tue Mar 23 2010 02:27 PM

NBA Today show on ESPN is ridiculous, Esp when they get jiving. The TNT show is far better in my opinion.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #674662 - Tue Mar 23 2010 02:37 PM

i just watch nbatv, my favorite channel out there.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #674874 - Tue Mar 23 2010 08:39 PM

They also mentioned that he was weighing a few options, one of which was probably the MLE which would have carried a two year deal (although the second year could be an option for either side).

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ~Con~Artist~]
      #674921 - Tue Mar 23 2010 10:19 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but had he signed for longer, we could have worked out a long-term deal without care for the cap, but since he'll be a FA this summer, we'll have to fit him into the cap to keep him, right?

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #674932 - Tue Mar 23 2010 10:43 PM

i think with bird rights we can keep him

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: superbowldogg]
      #674937 - Tue Mar 23 2010 10:58 PM

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i think with bird rights we can keep him




we don't have his bird rights, because he hasn't been under contract for 3 years now (since he just got released and resigned)

we can go above the cap to keep him, using the MLE, or BAE though

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Lyuokdea]
      #674943 - Tue Mar 23 2010 11:21 PM

There's a pretty decent chance I think that he retires this year if we win the title. If we don't he'll most certainly be back for another shot though. He could come back either way, but I really doubt he signs anywhere but here if he does. Why would he?

I think signing the deal he did was him keeping his options open and doesn't mean he plans on bolting to the highest bidder like I've heard suggested.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Mattack]
      #675182 - Wed Mar 24 2010 01:45 PM

i used a website for gambling info, it's really good, and if you're into that type of thing, it's covers.com.

but they also have good info just for basketball junkies like myself.

kind of a cool thing, they have days rest v. opp. days rest

cavs are absolutely tearing a new one into anyone who is on their second leg of a back to back

18-2 when playing a team that played the night before.

also, when the cavs get 1 day of rest, 34-6, with 2 days of rest? 7-1, so 41-7 when getting 1-2 days of rest. guess what you'll be seeing a lot of in the playoffs, 1-2 days of rest.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675185 - Wed Mar 24 2010 01:48 PM

although, the cavs, if you're a gambler, have not been kind, they are 35-35 against the spread.

that is due to the fact that the cavs have become a public favorite. which is a good thing for us.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675308 - Wed Mar 24 2010 05:07 PM

Countdown to Tip-off: 3 hrs.

Welcome back Z!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #675310 - Wed Mar 24 2010 05:15 PM

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Countdown to Tip-off: 3 hrs.

Welcome back Z!




Too bad it's not a home game.

Oh well, he'll receive a 3-minute standing ovation the next game at the Q. That will be something to see for sure.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #675319 - Wed Mar 24 2010 05:36 PM

Hopefully it'll be on Youtube.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #675344 - Wed Mar 24 2010 06:13 PM

i can't believe we're favored by 6, i see a trap here.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675351 - Wed Mar 24 2010 06:21 PM

I can't believe that we're favored by ONLY 6.

What's the smallest margin of victory in our last 15 games? It's gotta be at least 6, if not more.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #675353 - Wed Mar 24 2010 06:27 PM

Quote:

I can't believe that we're favored by ONLY 6.

What's the smallest margin of victory in our last 15 games? It's gotta be at least 6, if not more.




5 against philly, 5 against indy, 7 against a depleted chicago team...

i just worry, we have had big trouble in that building, i hope mike brown doesn't force z out there (i honestly don't think he should play tonight, i'd rather have him practice a bit with the team and just get in the flow of making basketball plays)

chris paul is back and has a game under his belt.

i think the cavs win, but as a gambler, i think i may have to go with NOR

although i think i have lost quite a bit of money on the cavs this year, they have killed me one way or another.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #675357 - Wed Mar 24 2010 06:33 PM

Ok, I'll answer my own question - 2 pts, against San Antonio back on the 8th.



The average, however, is much higher: 10.65 for the month of March, including counting our sole loss in March as a -7 to margin of victory.
Not counting that loss at all (counting only victories), it goes up to 12.4 pts.

Going back to the break, including the 3 straight losses (6 extra games, total of an additional 23 pts), we drop to a margin of 8.23.
Not counting those three losses at all, however, our margin actually goes up a bit to 12.46.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #675439 - Wed Mar 24 2010 08:36 PM

Big Z is in the game!!!!!!

Welcome Back Z!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
      #675443 - Wed Mar 24 2010 08:53 PM

delonte west lighting it up right now, pulling a lebron and scoring all the points.

can someone more knowledgeable on the issue help me out on this?

what is the difference between gilbert arenas' situation and delonte's situation?

the commish came down hard on gilbert yet delonte has not been punished at all

is it because they were actually brought into an nba facility? because i think most would agree delonte's situation was worse, because we don't know where he was going, but considering his mental health, that guy probably shouldn't have guns...

just wondering tho, he's as important as anyone else not named lebron, to the cavs, and i just worry that we could get screwed when the playoffs start, if they try and jam him.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675451 - Wed Mar 24 2010 09:01 PM

as with all things, it's not just what happened in the initial event, but the aftermath.

gilbert joking around about the situation afterwards and being non-repentent until it was too late is what sealed his fate.

and the fact that they were in a NBA arena and actually pulled guns on each other, one of which was apparently loaded does not help matters.

at least Delonte kept his guns strapped until the police politely asked him to remove them.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #675452 - Wed Mar 24 2010 09:05 PM

i heard rick bucher on espn radio last night driving home from my game, and he said the guns were not loaded, and in fact, they never pointed them at each other.

on top of that he said he has several teammates er i mean sources, who said the two were in the hot tob joking around about an hour after it happened.

i think it was more dumb, than anything else.

delonte's situation is a bit scarier. and did we ever find out where he was going. i really wondered that more than anything else, and it seemed like when it was reported they never really went into it. scary stuff.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675461 - Wed Mar 24 2010 09:15 PM

not sure, everything i have seen reported has said that Crittenton's gun was loaded. i don't know what to trust in the media these days though.

anyway, if nothing else, the joking about it during pregame and all the negative media attention and stories that derived from that also would explain why he got slapped harder.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #675492 - Wed Mar 24 2010 10:21 PM

and the cavs strike my betting account once again, i think i may take one for the team and use this money to load up against the cavs every single game, ensuring a championship for the city of cleveland.

that was way too easy.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675507 - Wed Mar 24 2010 11:00 PM

Don't forget the attempt to cover up the event as well as the location where it happened. Gun laws are VERY STRICT in DC.

Arenas faces much harsher police actions based off of where each offense took place.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ~Con~Artist~]
      #675513 - Wed Mar 24 2010 11:07 PM

Wasn't Delonte arrested in DC?

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
      #675516 - Wed Mar 24 2010 11:15 PM

Delonte was arrested in Maryland.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #675526 - Wed Mar 24 2010 11:49 PM

and I believe his charges were misdemeanor in MD

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: leadtheway]
      #675623 - Thu Mar 25 2010 08:49 AM

ok, that makes more sense then, i was under the impression he was also arrested in dc and we know how tough they are with gun issues...

i was worried more about the legal side of it than what david stern would do. i think considering he moved quickly on arenas, he would have done the same with west. i can't see him suspending delonte for the playoffs or anything,

but i guess it's possible because he has the legal side of it coming up, right?

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675696 - Thu Mar 25 2010 12:04 PM

I think Delonte's hearing is scheduled sometime in late April. I wouldn't be surprised if it got pushed back again.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #675725 - Thu Mar 25 2010 12:54 PM

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I think Delonte's hearing is scheduled sometime in late April. I wouldn't be surprised if it got pushed back again.




I believe when it got pushed back to April - Windhorst said "that was as much as they could push it back - but they will push it back to late June when the April meeting comes up"

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Lyuokdea]
      #675778 - Thu Mar 25 2010 02:16 PM

man, i don't think i'm gonna know what to do with myself tomorrow.

you've got osu/tenn, and other tourney action, cavs/spurs, and lakers/thunder

i might need 3 tvs in the same room

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675785 - Thu Mar 25 2010 02:24 PM

I was thinking the same thing, so I am doing the best thing, going to a bar with some friends.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675798 - Thu Mar 25 2010 02:49 PM

J/C

it's nice to know that if any Cavs want to buy some DVDs, they have their supplier back on the team.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #675802 - Thu Mar 25 2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

man, i don't think i'm gonna know what to do with myself tomorrow.

you've got osu/tenn, and other tourney action, cavs/spurs, and lakers/thunder

i might need 3 tvs in the same room




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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #676042 - Thu Mar 25 2010 11:09 PM

j/c...

D-Block got picked up by the Bucks, but isn't eligible to be on their playoff roster.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #676196 - Fri Mar 26 2010 12:43 PM

James says scoring title unimportant

ESPN.com news services

LeBron James is on pace to claim his second scoring title after topping the league in 2007-08, when he was a year removed from leading the Cavaliers to the NBA Finals.

Given the choice of either, though, James was emphatic in claiming he could win the scoring championship at will.

"James If I really wanted to be the scoring [champion] every single year -- every single year -- I could really do it. But it doesn't matter.
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But it's the team titles that hold the key, he said.

"It's not important to me at all. I mean right now our team is in a position to try to clinch throughout the whole playoffs," James said of home-court advantage Thursday in San Antonio, where the Cavaliers play the Spurs on Friday night. "That's what position we're in right now. If we can do that, that will be more important than a scoring title. I mean, individual accolades take care of [themselves]."

James, who led the league in minutes played and field goals in two of his first five seasons, picked up his only scoring title in his fourth year. He again leads the NBA in scoring with 29.8 points per game, total points with 2,086 and field goals with 707.

And the Cavs hold a comfortable position in the Eastern Conference standings, seven games in front of second-place Orlando with 10 games left in the regular season.

"If I really wanted to," James said, "if I really wanted to be the scoring [champion] every single year -- every single year -- I could really do it. But it doesn't matter."


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Frenchy]
      #676200 - Fri Mar 26 2010 01:22 PM

I get the feeling Lebron could score 100 in a game if he REALLY wanted to.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Frenchy]
      #676202 - Fri Mar 26 2010 01:24 PM

it sounds cocky, but it's true, and i think there isn't an nba fan that could disagree with that. if you threw out winning, and situational stuff, and not sitting the 4th quarter when you're up by 25, he could probably average close to 40 points a game.

besides, as far as individual accolades go, i think the mvp would be more important than the scoring champ. and you have to sacrifice things to win, and to get the mvp you have to win. you don't win the nba mvp scoring 35 points a game on a 35 win team.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #676220 - Fri Mar 26 2010 02:16 PM

I think he could avg 50 pts for a season if he wanted to, but his body would take a toll. So staying healthy was driving in the lane all the time could take its toll.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #676320 - Fri Mar 26 2010 07:07 PM

He could definitely lead the league in scoring every year. He just wouldn't be getting the 8+ dimes he gets per game now. I'll take 8 dimes over 10 points any day of the week, obviously.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Adam_P]
      #676370 - Fri Mar 26 2010 09:56 PM

jc

OKC beating up on the Lakers 80-47 at the end of the 3rd.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Squires]
      #676375 - Fri Mar 26 2010 10:15 PM

i believe our magic number for homecourt throughout sits at 7 right now, although with that score, it is going down to 6. (our sweep of LAL guarantees homecourt if we end up with same record)

cavs are battling with the spurs, jamison is TEARING it up. this move by ferry is looking better and smarter every day.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #676411 - Sat Mar 27 2010 12:30 AM

we lost a game

z is back, thank whoever


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #676421 - Sat Mar 27 2010 01:27 AM

I wish Lebron would've figured out a little earlier than with 30 seconds left that he was able to score at will around the basket.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #676474 - Sat Mar 27 2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

i believe our magic number for homecourt throughout sits at 7 right now, although with that score, it is going down to 6. (our sweep of LAL guarantees homecourt if we end up with same record)

cavs are battling with the spurs, jamison is TEARING it up. this move by ferry is looking better and smarter every day.




WTF is with Jamison's 44% FT's???...That ain't gonna cut it...73% Career to this???

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Dawg in Dayton]
      #676495 - Sat Mar 27 2010 02:45 PM

He's had a bum shoulder for a few months now, not sure if thats why but very well could be.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Mattack]
      #676512 - Sat Mar 27 2010 04:51 PM

didn't like our 4th quarter defense last night

with that said, you simply can't win 'em all.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #676600 - Sun Mar 28 2010 09:44 AM

quicken loans arena to be named the "Z" for one day.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #676674 - Sun Mar 28 2010 02:54 PM

I don't think I've ever been so excited for a seemingly ho-hum regular season game - in any sport - than I am today. Can't wait for the ovation Z gets today... or at least better get.

Kudos to the Cavalier brass and marketing departments for making this "Z Day".

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: bigdatut]
      #676679 - Sun Mar 28 2010 03:27 PM

Z just entered the game, got a solid O, was kind of expecting a little more though.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #676681 - Sun Mar 28 2010 03:30 PM

Missed it,... tuning in late,...

The Cavs look like they're toying with these guys.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #676794 - Sun Mar 28 2010 10:43 PM

The Spurs just ran the Celts out of their own gym. 21 point beatdown.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #676857 - Mon Mar 29 2010 09:45 AM

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Z just entered the game, got a solid O, was kind of expecting a little more though.




I heard they did a lot of stuff prior that fans participated in and all that took away from the actual moment. I was hoping that they would start him and get him into the opening intros.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: I_Rogue]
      #676863 - Mon Mar 29 2010 09:50 AM

Makes sense, I was only able to watch through the internet, missed the pregame and the beginning of the first.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #677068 - Mon Mar 29 2010 05:15 PM

An interesting stretch of games coming up to finish the season.

6 of the 8 remaining games will be against a Playoff team. Whatever defensive issues we've struggled with the past few weeks, we need to get them fixed soon.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #677096 - Mon Mar 29 2010 05:53 PM

The good news though ... only 3 of the 8 are on the road.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #677374 - Tue Mar 30 2010 08:51 AM

lakers lose again, in new orleans.

magic number for the entire league is at 4.

we really don't have much to play for. although i really wanna see us put a beating on the bucks. they are starting to come back to earth and i think we can deal them a pretty bad blow tomorrow.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #677987 - Wed Mar 31 2010 04:53 PM

can't wait for the game tonight. this should be a nice little challenge. no more crappy teams that have mailed it in. milwaukee has played great and the cavs are gonna be thin in the frontcourt with shaq and andy out.

and i also heard that lbj's new nike contract has no bonus, no escalators for playing in a bigger market/nyc

glad we got that out of the way now, instead of people assuming that for years, using it in arguments against lebron staying.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678058 - Wed Mar 31 2010 08:49 PM

Free Throw shooting is truly atrocious on this team. It's embarrassing to call them professionals.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: deathdawg17]
      #678065 - Wed Mar 31 2010 09:10 PM

18 for 30 last I checked (5:35 left). The Cavs deserve to lose tonight. 60% won't take you deep in the playoffs.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Punchsmack]
      #678070 - Wed Mar 31 2010 09:15 PM

What are free throws? It's almost like the Cavs have no idea what they are either.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #678075 - Wed Mar 31 2010 09:35 PM

lakers are 20 seconds from losing (wow, they might not even get to 60 wins this year)

magic number will be down to 2, it's basically over. the cavs will have homecourt over the entire playoff field

and yes, the free throw shooting is atrocious, i don't understand it, it hurts to even try and figure out why, but we just have to cross our fingers and hope it improves in the playoffs)

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678121 - Wed Mar 31 2010 11:07 PM

We need to pry mark price from Atlanta to coach our ft shooting

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678140 - Wed Mar 31 2010 11:51 PM

It would be nice if we could just say "well, our free throw percentage took a hit, but we DO have Shaq on the team." But its been bad with him not even playing

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Mattack]
      #678189 - Thu Apr 01 2010 07:40 AM

especially since shaq has helped improve the team's FT%

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: superbowldogg]
      #678224 - Thu Apr 01 2010 09:21 AM

The year we went to the finals we shot a terrible FT% as well. I wonder if its not being stressed enough in practice. Jamison's crappy FT% I find a little puzzling considering he's been consistent his entire career.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #678225 - Thu Apr 01 2010 09:23 AM

Not bugging out on this one (FT%),....we've got a 5 game lead now on the Lakers,....that part of the battle is over,...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: OoooRahJoice]
      #678298 - Thu Apr 01 2010 12:10 PM

Ooooorrrrah is right. I mean what did Orlando shoot last year? Some horrible average......and then somehow, someway they shoot lights out from the line during the playoffs. Made me want to puke. So if Howard and the rest could do it so can the Cavs.

Plus we are way better than the average............though it is what it is, and I have no idea why it's so bad right now.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AkBrownsfan]
      #678322 - Thu Apr 01 2010 01:12 PM

We absolutely can turn it around.... but it'd be awfully nice if we just do it now and not be hoping for it in a couple of weeks.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #678325 - Thu Apr 01 2010 01:17 PM

Magic # is 2 wins I think

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #678329 - Thu Apr 01 2010 01:40 PM

i'm more worried about having this team healthy and ready come the second round (i think we can breeze through round 1 assuming it's not charlotte)

mo williams has been slumping but hit a few big shots last night. he had a bad orlando series and we really need to make sure he has the confidence in his shot come playoff time.

the sooner shaq gets back, the better.

but the free throw shooting is definitely a problem, however, i know that our guys can hit them when they count, lebron, z, and mo i have total confidence in them hitting important free throws.

i would like to see jamison improve tho, he's been off and it's quite the mystery. guy's a professional though. he'll figure it out.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #678362 - Thu Apr 01 2010 02:36 PM

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Magic # is 2 wins I think




The magic number is 2, any combination of Cavs wins or LA/Orlando losses.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: brownsfan2119]
      #678367 - Thu Apr 01 2010 02:41 PM

Isn't it a Magic # of 1 for the East, and 2 for best in the league?

The Magic is 6.5 back of us with 7 to play. If they lose one (or we win one), they cannot catch us -- correct?
Similarly, the Lakers are 5 back with 7 to play.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #678370 - Thu Apr 01 2010 02:45 PM

I think the head to head factors in?

If we lose to Orlando next weekend, that would split the season series and it would go to a tiebreak (that we may not hold).

That might be why both are still 2 games. Not 100% sure though.

Games played adjusts that as well. We have played 75, Orlando 74.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Nas320]
      #678373 - Thu Apr 01 2010 02:49 PM

Ahh, yeah.. that clears it up.

So, 2 for each... we should have that soon enough.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #678386 - Thu Apr 01 2010 03:05 PM

i think we own the tiebreaker, i believe the next possible tiebreaker is division winning % we are 12-2 and orlando is 9-6.

and speaking of orlando, i really hope the cavs approach that game as if it were an important game. they have absolutely got to learn how to play with this team without a true big like shaq because 1) we don't know how healthy or how in form shaq will be, we hope he goes right back into how it was, but you just don't know and 2) even if he does come back you have to factor in foul trouble and other things.

you have got to find a way to compete with this team when you don't have shaq punking howard. you have to find that ... in the armor.

i just wonder if running might be the way to go? if you can sucker them into playing and up and down game, and getting out of the half court you might be able to have the advantage. the cavs can run. and they can do it as well as anyone.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678441 - Thu Apr 01 2010 04:24 PM

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you have got to find a way to compete with this team when you don't have shaq punking howard. you have to find that ... in the armor.




Is it me or does the content editor make non-racial remarks conjure up images of racism?

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PhilDawsonRocks]
      #678460 - Thu Apr 01 2010 05:22 PM

Oh just relax Phil ... go catch a game and buy yourself some peanuts and ... jacks.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PhilDawsonRocks]
      #678465 - Thu Apr 01 2010 05:34 PM

heh, yeah... that's the problem with filtering words with multiple meanings.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PhilDawsonRocks]
      #678508 - Thu Apr 01 2010 07:43 PM

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you have got to find a way to compete with this team when you don't have shaq punking howard. you have to find that ... in the armor.




Is it me or does the content editor make non-racial remarks conjure up images of racism?




so should it have been "asian in the armor?"

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678514 - Thu Apr 01 2010 08:02 PM

fascinating 'glitch' in Hollingers playoff odds and one he will likely have to live down for awhile unless something truly unexpected happens.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds



SA has a higher odds of getting to the Finals and also better odds of winning the whole enchilada than the LA Lakers despite being the #8 seed (Jazz top spot in the West which makes sense based on recent results).


Team Seed Finals Odds Champ Odds

LA Lakers 1 15.4 6.5

Utah 2 25.6 13.4

Dallas 3 3.2 0.8

Phoenix 4 14.6 6.9

Denver 5 10.4 4.2

Oklahoma City 6 6.6 2.4

Portland 7 8.4 3.3

San Antonio 8 15.9 7.7



Also, OKC is jinxed because they moved from Seattle. Don't believe me, then look at their first 3 numbers.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #678516 - Thu Apr 01 2010 08:04 PM

The East follows pretty much what one would expect from a statistical model.

Cavs 40% odds of getting out of the East (23.1 Champ odds)
Magic 35% (21.5 champ)
Hawks 10% (4.5 champ)

Everyone else a small piece of the remaining 15%.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #678572 - Thu Apr 01 2010 10:31 PM

i've always taken hollinger's stuff with a grain of salt. it's fun to look at, but some of it is quite obvious, and the other stuff makes no sense at all.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678672 - Fri Apr 02 2010 10:33 AM

Oi ... espn is such a joke outfit now. On their main espn website, they just rolled out "ESPN New York" today ... which is a bit of a joke, since A) They've had that website out for months already ... and B) The words "ESPN New York" is redundant anyway.

Of course it's complete with TWO stories about Lebron being a Knick next year, a couple cover photos of Lebron in a #6 Knicks jersey, and a poll asking if Lebron will be a Knick.

I used to think they would end up with guys like Amare and Joe Johnson because they would likely be the two best guys that can't get max contracts from their original teams ... now I'm starting to hope their forced to give David Lee and Tracy McGrady max deal because nobody wanted to go there.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: no_logo_required]
      #678673 - Fri Apr 02 2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

The East follows pretty much what one would expect from a statistical model.

Cavs 40% odds of getting out of the East (23.1 Champ odds)
Magic 35% (21.5 champ)
Hawks 10% (4.5 champ)

Everyone else a small piece of the remaining 15%.





You have Cleveland & Orlando's numbers reversed. Hollinger has Orlando as having the better chances of making the Finals and of winning it all.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #678678 - Fri Apr 02 2010 10:48 AM

the sad thing for them is, if they do sign 2 max guys like johnson or bosh, they cannot keep david lee, at least that is what i have read from several different outlets.

if lebron stays in cleveland, i really wanna see how all that plays out. i think he is actually the least likely guy to bolt his current team. i think wade could possibly leave miami but i still think he stays, i think bosh is the guy most would agree is probably going to leave. but i still think toronto has somewhat of a chance, just because of the money.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: PrplPplEater]
      #678699 - Fri Apr 02 2010 11:43 AM

Quote:

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The East follows pretty much what one would expect from a statistical model.

Cavs 40% odds of getting out of the East (23.1 Champ odds)
Magic 35% (21.5 champ)
Hawks 10% (4.5 champ)

Everyone else a small piece of the remaining 15%.





You have Cleveland & Orlando's numbers reversed. Hollinger has Orlando as having the better chances of making the Finals and of winning it all.





my numbers were correct as of yesterday, the numbers update automatically based on ongoing games.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678781 - Fri Apr 02 2010 01:13 PM

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the sad thing for them is, if they do sign 2 max guys like johnson or bosh, they cannot keep david lee, at least that is what i have read from several different outlets.




New Yorkers and even some media pundants just don't GET that. In order to have the cap room to sign two free agents, they have to renounce the Bird rights to everyone that's a free agent. From that point, they can sign two free agents to max deals and then they're left with next to nothing in cap room. They can't do anything else but sign two guys to MLE and the BAE and fill out the rest with veteran minimums. That means no Lee, no Harrington.

Is Lebron, Wade or Bosh REALLY going to want to do that? Take less money so they can play on a rebuilding project?

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if lebron stays in cleveland, i really wanna see how all that plays out. i think he is actually the least likely guy to bolt his current team. i think wade could possibly leave miami but i still think he stays, i think bosh is the guy most would agree is probably going to leave. but i still think toronto has somewhat of a chance, just because of the money.




Agreed ... Lebron's in the best situation. Bosh and Wade may have it bad now ... but it's not exactly going to get better if they go to a gutted-out New York roster either.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: ExclDawg]
      #678829 - Fri Apr 02 2010 02:58 PM

when you look at all the situations, and who has it the best, it's not even close, lebron's situation with the cavs is 5 times as good as any other top free agent...

the only blemish to the cavs is the possibility of not having a 7 footer next year... you don't know what is going to happen with shaq and you don't know what will happen with z, and with dwight howard not going anywhere, that does scare me a little bit.

other than that, you can't knock this team at all. lots of good young players.

that's why the media has backed off on it. they can't say anything. they have to sit on their hands. but if the cavs lose in the playoffs, you know they'll pile right back on. nevermind them doing that to wade when his team was a freaking lottery team or first round exit.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678940 - Fri Apr 02 2010 07:02 PM

kobe signs extension with lakers

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #678944 - Fri Apr 02 2010 07:15 PM

The Cavaliers have a great core of players ..... a creative GM who makes things happen ..... an owner who will spend till it hurts for a championship, and as far as I know, has not turned down 1 proposed deal to make the team better based on finances ....... excellent facilities .....


Yeah .... let me go play for Larry Dolan's brother in New York instead .......

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
      #678948 - Fri Apr 02 2010 07:23 PM

the one thing i don't like that the media always seems to spin their way is the entire thought of if lebron wants to stay why doesn't he just sign right now..

it's an obvious spin. anyone who has followed this saga which has basically started since those ping pong balls fell our way, knows this.

he's trying to create a buzz. and it's working, he has several cities anticipating the chance to add that kind of a guy. people in new york think they're getting him, people in chicago think they're getting him, some folks in other big cities are thinking that...

it's great for his product, his brand. it keeps him in the spotlight.

and most of all, it is just my opinion, i have nothing to back it up in terms of actual proof, but i think lebron is doing this 1) because he wants to weigh his options, and 2) more importantly, it keeps enormous pressure on the cavs to be the best possible organization going.

ask yourself this, let's say lebron extended last summer, let's say he signed on for 3 or even 6 years, does danny ferry go out and make the move for jamison? without that added pressure of possibly losing your franchise player? it's debatable.


it keeps his options open which is a fantastic business move, it's a beautiful thing if you're him, it keeps the spotlight on you and your team, which again, is a great business move when you are trying to sell shoes, apparel and other merchandise, and most importantly it keeps pressure on your agressive owner and crafty gm to improve the team to the best of their abilities.

he rang the bell after the boston loss in 2008 and the cavs answered it about as well as they could have. since that loss and lebron calling out the team, the cavs have finished with the nba equivalent of the president's trophy in 2 consecutive years. you just simply cannot ask for more.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679012 - Fri Apr 02 2010 11:39 PM

#60



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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #679032 - Sat Apr 03 2010 01:37 AM

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LeBron: 'I Won't Stop' Until I Bring Title To Cleveland

In an interview on NBA TV, LeBron James indicated that he "won't stop" until he reaches his goal of winning a title in Cleveland.

"I got a goal, and it's a huge goal, and that's to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland," James said. "And I won't stop until I get it."

Taken literally, James' statement is newsworthy because it would mean that the Cavs' superstar, who can become a free-agent this summer, would stay in Cleveland at least as long as it takes to bring the city an NBA championship.

James also spoke glowingly about the professionalism and depth of the Cavs' roster.

The Cavs have the best record in the league, five games ahead of the Lakers




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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #679033 - Sat Apr 03 2010 01:42 AM

The article is dated April 1...

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Squires]
      #679034 - Sat Apr 03 2010 01:53 AM

Everything that came out then is tainted? Including Rogers news?!

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #679041 - Sat Apr 03 2010 07:02 AM

When its good news for a Cleveland team...probably

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Squires]
      #679085 - Sat Apr 03 2010 10:42 AM

It's legit, they had a lengthy segment on PTI about it yesterday. Of course they are saying that it means "this year"..lol

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: AndraDavis4MVP]
      #679092 - Sat Apr 03 2010 11:30 AM

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LeBron: 'I Won't Stop' Until I Bring Title To Cleveland






sooo, if we win it all thIs year he is leaving?


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #679108 - Sat Apr 03 2010 12:26 PM

as i said before, i think the thought of lebron winning a title for cleveland and then "feeling like his job here is done" is pretty stupid and makes no sense.

take a look at the nba the last 25 years and tell me how many different franchises have won the championship. not many.

you just don't leave a championship caliber team. especially a team like the cavs that has a great mix of young, old, and in their prime players. you just don't.

people always try and decipher what lebron is saying to see if you can get a clue, but the bottom line is that lebron is going to weigh his options, he is not going to make a decision now, why should he? he's a smart businessman and no businessman would make that decision now.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679246 - Sun Apr 04 2010 12:39 PM

Kareem won Milwaukee a title and left didn't he?



Damn, I can't wait for the playoffs. I can't really decide who I want the Cavs to beat more. Orlando or LA, yeah if we beat LA that means we win the title but I freakin hate Orlando. I hope Shaq beats the hell out of Dwight Howard.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679257 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:11 PM

getting spanked by an old boston team for the second time this year. This doesn't look good. Alot of the things that we've gotten by with are coming back to bite us now...poor FT shooting, poor shot selection by lebron, inability to handle above average guards, unable to defend pick and roll, poor coaching decision by brown. all on display in first half...absolutely horrible game by cavs so far. We can only hope the celtics fade the second half..

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679258 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:14 PM

Can soomeone please explain the rationale of mike brown at the end or the 2nd qt?

Bos has the ball 4 sec difference with shot/ game clock and we foul? With no fouls to give


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #679259 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:15 PM

there is none...this is why i hate mike brown and i think he gets too much credit. That was a dumb call...why not just defend and hope they miss, instead you give them FREE shots. then to not press with 2.5 seconds left and let the ball roll to the other 3 point line...ridiculous

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: leadtheway]
      #679261 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:18 PM

i take the hate part back..lol i do think he's grown in the role and he knows his limitations and allows his other coaches to provide input..its during the games that i get annoyed with some of his calls and rotations.. And we need a new shooting coach asap..someone to teach them how to make a FT..i mean it is sad that a team with 60 wins is dead last...I never shot less than 83 all through HS or college, yes pro's a bit different, but its still a ft...and its all mental with these guys i think, something has changed in practice to throw them off a bit...they don't have long to figure it out.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679263 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:26 PM

mike brown gets too much credit? how is very little credit too much? all people do is rip that guy.

seriously, you're going to take a shot at a guy who's team is atop the league, when they are probably trying to be cautious with injuries, and down 2 in the frontcourt already?

come on.

i really find it funny that you only show up in these threads when the cavs are losing.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679264 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:32 PM

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i really find it funny that you only show up in these threads when the cavs are losing.




Are you talking to me?

Get off of Mike Browns nuts. Mike Brown would be a great DC for a team but not a HC. The guy is a mediocre head coach at best even if we have great talent to bail him out.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679266 - Sun Apr 04 2010 02:47 PM

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i really find it funny that you only show up in these threads when the cavs are losing.




Are you talking to me?

Get off of Mike Browns nuts. Mike Brown would be a great DC for a team but not a HC. The guy is a mediocre head coach at best even if we have great talent to bail him out.




1. no, i am not talking to you.

2. i'm not on mike brown's whatever. i think he's a good coach and i think it's hilarious that some cavs fans ride the guy whenever the cavs lose, which isn't very much.

i just don't understand how people can rip a guy apart when he's just clinched 60 win seasons in consecutive years. go and look up how many teams have done that over the years.

nowhere in any nba topic on here or anywhere else did i ever say mike brown was the best coach in the league, i don't see how i can be on his whatever....

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679272 - Sun Apr 04 2010 03:26 PM

I guess we got back into the game because Mike Brown got ejected.

I've questioned his offensive philosophy at times myself but it's a complete joke that he's constantly ripped on.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Psydeffect]
      #679273 - Sun Apr 04 2010 03:27 PM

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but it's a complete joke that he's constantly ripped on.




Get off his nuts!!!!





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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: kingodawg]
      #679274 - Sun Apr 04 2010 03:30 PM



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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Psydeffect]
      #679275 - Sun Apr 04 2010 03:34 PM

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I guess we got back into the game because Mike Brown got ejected.




I doubt it was by design but sometimes when a coach is ejected a few things can happen. A team will either be motivated and fired up by their coaches passion or they completely fall apart.


Damn I hate that alien Ray Allen


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679276 - Sun Apr 04 2010 03:50 PM

at the Celtics regardless of the final score. They had to play out of their minds for 3 quarters and completely choked in the 4th. Paul Pierece and KG are trash. We will blast them in the Q.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679278 - Sun Apr 04 2010 04:00 PM

And the Cavs didn't even really start to play until the 2nd half of this meaningless game.

And despite their worst defensive showing of the year, they still would have won this game if they could have hit a few more free throws.

I think I'd rather see Boston in the 2nd round than Atlanta.


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #679279 - Sun Apr 04 2010 04:05 PM

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Can soomeone please explain the rationale of mike brown at the end or the 2nd qt?

Bos has the ball 4 sec difference with shot/ game clock and we foul? With no fouls to give




this basically sealed our fate, again, there has to be some reason? perhaps they thought the person we were fouling would miss one, then we would have more time to go down and hit a 2 or a 3

I have never seen that done before, again, there were seconds difference between game and shot clock, we play defense, they get no points, instead after that minblowing call Bos went on a 5-0 run to end the half


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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: BuckDawg1946]
      #679280 - Sun Apr 04 2010 04:12 PM

That was a very questionable move, I'd like to hear his explanation on that one.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Psydeffect]
      #679282 - Sun Apr 04 2010 04:41 PM

kendrick perkins shoots 58% at the line, for the year and is only a career 60% shooter at the line.

mike brown was trying to steal a point, it didn't work but i don't see how this was such a horrible move. the way boston was playing offense maybe he felt like he coudl take advantage there. boston was hitting everything from the field.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679283 - Sun Apr 04 2010 04:43 PM

as far as free throws go, i want to know what the top teams in FT% do during their practice routines that the cavs do not. do those teams truly spend more time practicing? i wish i knew that kind of information. it really boggles my mind that these guys, who are paid professionals aren't hitting them as well as the college kids (or at least it seems)

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679284 - Sun Apr 04 2010 05:11 PM

Honestelly I think the FT problem is all mental. Do we still clench home court through the playoffs if the lakers lose? Like I said early in the year the Spurs still scare me.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: candyman92]
      #679295 - Sun Apr 04 2010 06:14 PM

lakers lose (again, maybe they should fire phil jackson) and cavs still clinch top seed overall.

this is going to be a very, very long 13 days.

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Re: Cavs March Thread [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
      #679304 - Sun Apr 04 2010 07:11 PM

i know a lot of people are questioning lebron's 3 attempt with a few seconds left instead of going for the tie, but i loved it. considering the situation.

if that were a playoff game there is no doubt in my mind he takes it to the basket. but considering they have nothing left to play for in a meaningless game, i love it. it will stick that into boston's head for the future. they will be reminded of the stones lbj has in that type of situation and may look to try and hold him up before he gets to the rim.

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