DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Terrelle Pryor's extension unlikely to come by season's end, Isaiah Crowell still aiming for 1,000 and more

Very true Cap and I'm not one who thought losing Mack and Schwartz was a good thing ...

Didn't mean to imply that you were one of them. Apologies if you thought so.

jc

i wanted to point something out that's very interesting with regards to Crow.

first, he stays healthy. played all 16 games.

so he's got 198 carries this season for 952 yards. that's good for 4.8 yards per carry. his rushing yards is good for #15 in the league.

here's where it gets interesting. when compared to 1-14, they all have over 200 carries. the lowest amount is 205 by mark ingram.

Crow also has the least amount of attempts per game at 12.4.

digging deeper, he is #5 in runs over 20 yards with 8.

he's tied for #2 with run over 40 yards with 3.

and this is the part where i really like Crow. he absolutely shows up in division games.

2 games against baltimore, he has 27 carries, 156 yards with a 5.8 average.
2 games against Cincy, he has 22 carries, 176 yards with a whopping 8.0 average
2 games against Pittsburgh, he has 27 carries, 162 yards with a 6.0 average.


that tells me that:

A. he's good.
B. our O line isn't as bad in run blocking as some claimed, and
C. why in the hell didn't we commit to running the ball more?

Nice post.

The guy doesn't get enough respect from many of our posters.

#checkmate

CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT:

The plan was never to win this season and was more about evaluating the QB position. Not committing to the run allowed the franchise to see what they had in Kessler and RGIII by having them throw 30+ times per game while keeping Crow and Duke fresh.

The again, maybe Hue just gets pass happy.

I agree. I have been harping on it for a while. Another factor to look at.... He has improved each of his 3 years in the league.

Hue has a weapon he doesn't use to our advantage. Run the friggen football.


Oh...another thing. I know he fumbled last Sunday, but he has not fumbled very much in his career. In three seasons, 5 times, 3 in his rookie season, none last year and twice this season. That is good ball security.

I didn't

This is the thing that irritates me about most fans. If a guy isn't headed to the HOF, he's considered expendable. If said person makes one mistake, he's absolutely awful.

Crow is an above average NLF running back. He's part of the solution.

Like it or not, it's part of our microwave society. I want it, I want it now, and I don't want to pay for it. (or, I don't want to pay MUCH for it)

Thanks Man .... that was good ....

I hope he does "get him some" just as long as he remembers what he will get not just in this contract, but for the rest of the years of his life.

Spotrac has us at 107 million in cap space. I mean damn guys. How much cap space do some of you want? Do you just want to have an empty roster?

If we cut Tramon and RG3 it could give us around an additional 15 million. Who are these MVP caliber players you're afraid we won't be able to resign in 3-4 years?

Most of that is rollover, which I believe Heckert started doing. Banner also pushed us the right direction.

As poorly run we have been over the past several years, I am thankful that none of our front offices went nuts in free agency and killed our cap.

Cap hell was in the early 2000s. Teams are no longer in "cap hell." Not sure why some people are holding onto that viewpoint other than to excuse Haslam and the FO????

Predicting Cap Hell

Great teams always find a way to manage their cap space. Those teams in cap hell will just cut their dead weight.

Yes.

I'm greatful we've always won the cap space battle. That's the only thing we've ever done "right." We've made sure our greedy ass owner never had to spend money.

Yeah, the salary cap thing has become a joke. It's not like it was in the early 2000s. Teams that are up against it can easily rectify the problem. For example, Dallas parts ways w/Romo and they are out of trouble.

I just think that a lot of the guys who keep talking about salary cap are the same guys who make excuses for every dumb ass move the FO makes. They justify the Browns being cheap by bringing up the salary cap. It's a lame ass argument that has very little relevance in this era.

The Cowboys are 11 mil over. Getting rid of Romo just gets them close to even. They have a little more work to do than that.

http://www.spotrac.com/blog/a-potential-2017-cap-casualty-from-all-32-nfl-teams/

I just hope that the Browns keep their eyes out to sign some of that dead weight.

Justin Bethel, CB, Arizona Cardinals
2017 Cap Figure: $5.25M; $1.5M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3.75M, $4.5M Post 6/1


Brooks Reed, DE/OLB, Atlanta Falcons
2017 Cap Figure: $5.04M; $2.82M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.22M, $3.16M Post 6/1


Elvis Dumervil, DE/OLB, Baltimore Ravens
2017 Cap Figure: $8.375M; $2.375M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $6M


Dan Carpenter, K, Buffalo Bills
2017 Cap Figure: $2.9375M; $537,500 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.4M, $250,000 roster bonus due on the 7th league day


Jonathan Stewart, RB, Carolina Panthers
2017 Cap Figure: $8.25M; $3.5M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.75M, $6.25M Post 6/1


Jay Cutler, QB, Chicago Bears
2017 Cap Figure: $16M; $2M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $14M, $15M Post 6/1


Rey Maualuga, LB, Cincinnati Bengals
2017 Cap Figure: $3.7M; $0 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3.7M


Josh McCown, QB, Cleveland Browns
2017 Cap Figure: $5.04M; $666,667 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.375M, $750,000 roster bonus due on the 3rd league day


Tony Romo, QB, Dallas Cowboys
2017 Cap Figure: $24.7M; $19.6M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $5.1M, $14M Post 6/1


Donald Stephenson, OT, Denver Broncos
2017 Cap Figure: $5M; $2M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3M, $4M Post 6/1)


Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Detroit Lions
2017 Cap Figure: $5.35M; $1M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.35M


Clay Matthews, LB, Green Bay Packers
2017 Cap Figure: $15.2M; $4.1M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $11.11M


Tony Bergstrom, OL, Houston Texans
2017 Cap Figure: $3.25M; $375,000 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.875M


Arthur Jones, DL, Indianapolis Colts
2017 Cap Figure: $7.35M; $2.2M in dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $5.15M, $6.25M Post 6/1


Sen’Derrick Marks, DL, Jacksonville Jaguars
2017 Cap Figure: $4.675M; $200,000 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.475M, $1M roster bonus due early March 2017


Jamaal Charles, RB, Kansas City Chiefs
2017 Cap Figure: $7M; $0 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $7M


Eugene Sims, DE, Los Angeles Rams
2017 Cap Figure: $3.25M; $750,000 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.5M, $500,000 roster bonus due the 5th league day


Mario Williams, DE, Miami Dolphins
2017 Cap Figure: $10.5M; $2M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $8.5M


Brian Robison, DE, Minnesota Vikings
2017 Cap Figure: $6.6M; $1M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $5.6M


Danny Amendola, WR, New England Patriots
2017 Cap Figure: $7.9M; $1.4M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $6.5M


Thomas Morstead, P, New Orleans Saints
2017 Cap Figure: $4.7M; $1.65M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3.05M, $3.75M Post 6/1, $500,000 roster bonus due early March 2017


Victor Cruz, WR, New York Giants
2017 Cap Figure: $9.4M; $1.9M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $7.5M


Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets
2017 Cap Figure: $15,333,333; $6M dead cap
Savings to Release: $9,333,333 ($2M roster bonus due the 2nd league day)
Savings to Trade: $15,333,333 ($2M roster bonus due the 2nd league day)


Sebastian Janikowski, K, Oakland Raiders
2017 Cap Figure: $4.41M; $360,000 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.05M


Chase Daniel, QB, Philadelphia Eagles
2017 Cap Figure: $8M; $7M dead cap
Savings to Release: $1M ($2M Post 6/1)
Savings to Trade: $6M ($7M Post 6/1)


Arthur Moats, LB, Pittsburgh Steelers
2017 Cap Figure:$2,883,334; $633,333 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.25M


Stevie Johnson, WR, San Diego Chargers
2017 Cap Figure: $4.5M; $1M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3.5M


Ahmad Brooks, OLB, San Francisco 49ers
2017 Cap Figure:$8,648,750; $848,750 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $7.8M


J’Marcus Webb, OL, Seattle Seahawks
2017 Cap Figure: $3.35M; $600,000 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $2.75M


Evan Smith, OL, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2017 Cap Figure: $4.5M; $0 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $4.5M


Harry Douglas, WR, Tennessee Titans
2017 Cap Figure:$4,483,334; $733,334 dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3.75M


Ricky Jean Francois, DE, Washington Redskins
2017 Cap Figure: $4M; $1M dead cap
Savings to Release or Trade: $3M

When you have money those guys are a little easier to sign.

Somebody should tell the Ravens that Cap Hell is just a myth because they have a lot of rebuilding to do and no money to do it with.

Awesome. And what is your point? Do you think they will suck next year or the year after or even the year after that because of the cap? LMAO

You don't have a freaking clue about how things are trending in the NFL, Barney.

Most recently, I can remember the Raiders having more dead money than money being spent on their players (or something similar to that). Also, Ndamukong Suh was one of the highest paid Lions last year (against the cap).

Good teams keep their most important players, but keeping a clean cap is still important because it just makes things a little easier.

Way to keep it classy vers.

See, a post like this, which goes against everything you preach about, is exactly why you catch heat.

You can't preach against it, then do it yourself and expect people to take you seriously.

By the way, nice football post.

Paying huge amounts of money to a mediocre quarterback will do that. It's the problem Washington is facing this off-season.

Also, remember when the Colts GM said that he couldn't build up the rest of the roster because Andrew Luck costs so much?

Remember our little talk about blow-back and making the first blow?

I think I have a little more of a clue than someone that relies on La Conforna for his football news.

There's no magic. Teams kick the can down the road for as long as they can until they have to blow it all up.

If they are a winning team, they can keep it up for a while until all their free agents start leaving for elsewhere.

If they are a losing team, they prolong their misery.

On March 11, 2015, the Miami Dolphins announced that they had signed Suh to a six-year, $114 million contract with $60 million guaranteed. -

Y'all can talk all you want about the cap, but it has become almost irrelevant. Teams might get close to he cap limit, but it's an easy fix and if you would take the time to research the topic of how easy it is to fix, you would understand what I am saying.

I think you guys are full of hot air and are only making this argument in some sort of defense of the FO, because I don't believe anyone is really that dumb to believe this salary cap hell anymore.

I know right.

(You just proved my point. Thank you.)

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/03/09/detroit-lions-salary-cap-suh/24638587/

People who dismiss the cap as being meaningless do so because they do not understand the cap.

No, people who overemphasize the cap do so because they do not understand the changes in the cap.

Weren't you the same guy who thought Denver would let Von Miller go using the same logic you are now?

Jesus guys it's really not important. What is important is according to that article it will be nearly impossible for the chiefs to resign Eric Berry....

He was. But they're team was hurt because they lost Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathan. They were only going to be able to keep one of those guys (they also wanted to keep Osweiler).

One could argue that they lost those two (or three) players because they signed guys like T.J. Ward, Aqib Talib, and DeMarcus Ware in free agency (I am not saying they should not have signed those players).

These are a few related, but somewhat random thoughts:

Every move has consequences.

Last year the Ravens lost one of the best offensive linemen in the league (Kelechi Osmele) because their cap is a mess.

Most teams can/should/will re-sign their best players because it is easy to move money around in the NFL to create cap room.

Just because you have tons of cap space available doesn't mean you should sign a bunch of players, overpay players, etc. This is a process thing. Make the correct decision even when the situation doesn't necessarily require you to make the correct decision. Good process eventually leads to good results. I understand the argument that not spending money in free agency is bad process, I just don't agree with it.