DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 23 Buccaneers 26 What I saw game 7

- I saw an ineffective first half offensively, then we made adjustments and looked like a NFL caliber team. We need to start better, and we need to have more faith in Baker I think. I think Haley was scared of the last game where Baker struggled, and wanted to get him going early with some easy completions, but then decided to keep those short routes, instead of letting Baker go.

- our def is such a mystery. How can we be SOOO good at turning the ball over, but so bad at giving up yards and chunk plays like we do....man can greg put someone in the middle of the field?

- I saw a litany of penalties again from a team that looked unprepared. Not good

- I saw myles get held over a dozen times w/ no calls before I stopped keeping track

- I saw horrible officiating, yet again.

- I saw a kicker line of for a 59 yarder, looked at my dad and said "hes going to pipe this thing right down the middle" Wasn't down the middle at first, but ended up close enough.....

- I saw another L in the loss column, which are starting to add up again.

I also SEE Pitt at home (who is coming off a bye), KC who is the arguably the best team in the league, and Atlanta before the bye. I see us 2-7-1 come bye week.

I saw some good things (the effort the 2nd half, Ogbah, Njoku, Chubb, etc) ... I saw some bad things (penalties, poor offensive half, etc)

I saw a loss, again

EO I always enjoy your" what I saw post" and I hope you are doing well. I am as frustrated as any Browns fan about many of the things you mentioned. However, I do take solace in the fact that this team didn't quit yesterday. I didn't think they would come back the way they did. They hung in there and battled back and that says something about our character and is a positive for our coach. We've been in 6 of the 7 games played this year and could easily have 5 or 6 wins. The penalties have to be cleared up but some are just ticky tac calls by the refs as you noted. We need to hang in there and keep improving. Hopefully the refs will be fairer in the future and we will make less "young" team mistakes.

I agree with a lot of the comments but I think our tackling fundamentals are very weak. Maybe it was just me, be we always seem to give up a lot of YAC.

They quit the week before, tho.

This is the only positive that posters have had for going on three years. seems like we should have seen more positives by now.

the reverse is also true. we easily could have lost the two games we won and the one we tied, and be 0-7 right now.

We have been hearing Hue say for years "we have some things to clean up and we are gonna clean it up" word for word. Yet, 2 and almost half years later, they are still here and not getting cleaned up.

There is noting in the last 2.5 years that says it will.

that could be a side effect of all our turnovers tho. Maybe we are going after the ball too much and missing tackles. I notice one thing, we almost always seem to miss the first tackle.

good post EOTAB.

First half offense looked like a 2016 Cody Kessler led offense. Very difficult to watch all the short dink and dunk throws. Frustrating to say the least.

Second half, Baker ate a snickers or something, because I saw what I saw in the Jets game. Longer throws, less hesitation, and FIRE!

Good game from Chubb.

Loved seeing us force feeding Landry. He needs that. That TD he got. That to me shows me all I need to know. He's a gamer. He just gets it.

Why no Devalve? I'm a huge believer in his game, and he's a lot more reliable to me than Njoku. I think Devalve catches those out routes with ease.

Defensively, Gregg Williams disappoints again. How many curls and outs did the Bucs get on us for easy yardage? Stop with the soft coverage! Winston was eating us up through the air (and ground) EASILY.

Ogbah had his best game as a Brown. He needs more of those, as I think his job is on the line after the season is over.

Kirksey stepped in EASILY at MLB. I was confident he could do so. I think he's better at MLB than OLB.

Collins played like he was interested (finally).

I'm also glad we acquired Randall. He's a natural. I get that we are short at corner due to injury, but we gotta do something quick. Randall is much better at FS than BBC. I would have liked to see Ward follow Evans, and BBC stay on Jackson, and whoever else on Godwin. We gotta play to our guys strengths, and I believe Randall is a MUCH better FS, than CB.

The refs. All I ask for is consistency. That flag on Landry for not being set was TOTAL BS. There were a ton more of motion plays from both teams, and a lot of guys never firmly set. The defensive holding call on Kirksey, okay. He did it. But when I see a Buc literally trailing Landry with both hands on his hips and don't see a call. I get pissed. Consistency! And then still missing easy false starts. And the Baker hit to the head!? SMH.

And the going for it on 4th down calls. I didn't question it once. I would have preferred a Chubb run over a QB sneak though. Maybe it was called because so much ruckus was brought up from a few weeks ago when we didn't qB sneak it. IDK.

Curious, why would you say that? He has played pretty well on the year. not just this game.

I saw another winnable game turn into a loss.
I saw a Browns team continue to pile up penalties. 6 gave Bucs 1st downs.
I saw a good game from Ogbah. The best I've seen from him.
Our special team were improved minus Peppers fumble.
I saw a team fight to the end but keeps doing things to lose games.
I thought Baker played well.
I am so tired of leaving it in the officials hands every week. It seems we have to over come the officials, our opponent and ourselves every week.
All this losing has become a part of the Browns image. This team needs an exorcist.

We heard rumblings about Ogbah getting his starting spot taken even before the season started and during the draft.

Fans naturally want a guy who is a threat on every snap. A guy that teams have to game prep for. Ogbah hasn't been that.

My personal thoughts are I think he's a good starter, and I want to keep him. I still think he needs to step it up though.

I agree on Ogbah: he played really well ... very active, espeically the 2nd half

Please post a link to that, I never heard that once.


We heard that drafting Chubb at 4 would be weird BECAUSE we had Ogbah. In fact, I believe if that's the only reason we DIDNT draft Chubb. Ogbah made Dorseys job easier than people think.

Ogbah last year was our best Def. player before he got hurt. Ill listen to he needs to stay healthy, but to say he was on his way out is just incorrect, and either you are mistaken or just making that up.

Edit to add: we are 2-4-1, I think the "greatest turnaround in history" option has passed, you can probably change your sig.

I know Jamie Collins made a couple nice plays (and to be honest I missed some of the first half) But man seems like he is pulling back on a lot of plays lately...Specially that Jameis Winston run for a TD...If Collins would have actually tried, he could have made a stop there...'

Well to his credit, he did play better than the last two weeks.

Looked like a good post ... couldn’t make it through the whining ...

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j/c:

Finally, a football thread.

--I saw us come out on offense w/a lot of short passes. I think that was in response to Baker's struggles last week. A lot of people were calling for shorter passes so we could avoid the sacks.

--I think Baker missed some fairly easy throws early on. He looked uncomfortable. I wish he would have secured that ball that cost us the first down, but stuff happens. However, he fought back in the second half and made some very nice throws. He also played w/a ton of moxie. I liked how he got up in that guy's face after being cheap-shotted. I didn't want us to draft him, but that was over for me a long time ago. I think he has a real chance to be our guy.

--Landry had a very good game. The catch he made down by the goal line was great. And he had the smarts to stick the ball over the goal line.

--Chubb ran well. He made some guys miss.

--Njoku w/a great grab in the end zone and a drop along the sideline. That's just him. Brilliant, yet confounding.

--I thought the OL held up fairly well.

--Kirksey was very good at the Mike. Much more active there. You can tell he feels more comfortable there.

--I thought Ward was outstanding. He basically shut out DJax. That's amazing! He was all over him all game long. This guy is going to be an All Pro more often than not.

--Myles had some nice pressures. Good to see.

--Ogbah had his best game. Very active. And he plays tall.

--I thought Randall did a great job at corner. Smart move by Williams to move him over there w/two corners out. Dude balled.

--The safeties were not very good.

--The special teams unit outplayed their opponent for the third straight week. Ever since Hue said he would get more involved, the unit has stepped it up. Colquitt is a weapon.

--I thought we committed too many penalties. I realize we are young and inexperienced, but Hue has to get that cleared up.

--The team never gave up. They showed a lot of heart and resiliency in this game. I think this is indicative of our coaching staff and leadership. We simply have to find ways to finish games. I know people think that is easy, but it's one of the hardest things for a young team to do.

I dreaded the Bucs game. My great fear was that the team would flatline the entire game like they did against the Chargers.

I wasn't a happy camper after that atrocious first half.

To my relief, the team did a great job fighting its way back to respectability in the second half. They got beat, but they didn't get pulverized.

I am tired of the endless losing, but that is the Browns fate so long as the Haslams are in charge.

Meanwhile, I love the great work Colquitt is doing. In my miserable, pessimistic world I worry that the Browns will trade him away or cut him after the season because Browns gonna Brown.

The offense didn't show up until the second half.

The refs again were offensive and defensive as usual.

Oh and Baker is the One.

This is going to be another losing year, but the future is bright with Baker and Dorsey.

Our offense is like a Volkswagen Beetle. You can't warm it up by simply starting it, you have to get in and drive it for a while before it starts heating up. It takes 1 to 2 quarters to get our offense heated up.

And the weird thing is that it's been that way with 2 different starting QBs.

Just curious why you think this. You don't think he wants to win? They know they are sitting on even more of a goldmine than they already have if this team can become relevant. They've spent the money and are by no means cheap IMO.

I believe that Haley uses early plays to move guys around to try to find matchups, see what might work and what probably won't, and then he comes back to the things he sees that we were able to exploit.

So, it usually is slow going as he gets things tried and figured out, then we're able (hopefully) to get some things going.
I just wish he could speed that process up a little, lol

I could get on board with that line of thinking...then add that it takes longer to 'see what we can do' with so many new and inexperienced players out there. JMO

Meanwhile GW takes his D out of the gate firing all guns looking for turnovers and when we notice we are several scored down...

Just get the GW and the D in the same page, and we will improve, you will see.

Good post. Glad to see some football being discussed.

thanks for the analysis
did not get to see game
hope your felling better because I can see this team getting better in the second half because haley is a rookie with this team