DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk K-9 Consensus When does life begin?

I got it straight from the good book.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
{Genesis 2:7}

Some translations state "living being"

In any event ... There is the dust of the earth and the breath of life (the spirit).

Only when the two are joined together does it constitute a living being.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
{Ecclesiastics 12:7}

No soul sleep ... The soul\body returns to the dust from whence it came.

At the resurrection the dead in Christ shall be given new incorruptible (Immortal) bodies, and they will be reunited with their spirit.

The woman carries the child for nine months, but it is alway a separate being. Therefore to say that it is her body is technically incorrect. Having said that ... Trying to get a woman to see it that way is not such an easy thing to do.

If cells start dividing, then it is living.

The law is another story, but not even science understands how life begins.

Questions about a heartbeat or brain activity is irrelevant (imo) as to when life begins, because cells do not multiply in someone\some organism that is dead.

I was speaking about legal precedent. Not the Bible or personal feelings. I was looking for something that might actually stand up in court.

Once there is a heartbeat you are a person.

I’ll play. So for there to be a heartbeat there needs to be a fully formed heart. Not just an electrical pulse that isn’t actually moving actual blood. Like the electrical impulse detected at 6-8 weeks. That’s not really a heartbeat. I’ve proven that in past medical literature I’ve posted elsewhere.
So at 20 weeks they’ve concluded the heart is finally an actual functioning organ. That’s 5 months.
So 5 months it is. I can live with that. I’ll even go as far to say that abortion shouldn’t happen that late in fetal gestation except for extreme conditions.

“The human heart is not fully formed until much later in pregnancy than previously thought, a new study suggests.

British researchers analyzed scans of the hearts of healthy fetuses in the womb and found that the heart has four clearly defined chambers in the eighth week of pregnancy, but does not have fully organized muscle tissue until the 20th week.”
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=167987#

I'll stick with my better safe than sorry philosophy.

I don't know exactly when that "collection of cells", as some put it, becomes a real, living human being, with a living soul ......so I am not in favor of destroying any of them.

personally I think when a fetus is viable, when it's possible to live on its own after birth. With medical interventions, 22 weeks at birth seems to be the edge at which fetuses can survive.

Nobody breathing knows. Nobody breathing will ever know. A belief is a belief. Believing in something doesn’t make it true.

Right. It’s better for some to be safe and control others lives and health by forcing laws upon them for unsubstantiated beliefs. That’s my man ytown

Whose to say life ever begins.....it could all be one big simulation.....Human beings are at the mercy of our brains....basically infinitely complex computers that receive stimuli through a central nervous system....through this stimuli our brains make sense of the world....our brains however, are not infallible, and frequently make mistakes attempting to interpret various signals....with this said, there is really no way to objectively define the true nature of reality....therefore, any attempt to define what is living, when its living, and when its not, is purely subjective...

So whatever you believe, that is just your perspective, and there is no universal right answer, period.....

But go ahead and try to validate your perspectives by aligning them with others...it always helps folks feel better being in the majority....

At conception. Where else???????????????????