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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.



If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.


If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.



Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that, but congressional representation is not an individual thing, it's a community thing. This is just an extension of the GOP's persecution of the other. They want to transfer more congressional power to districts that vote republican. Ohio has a huge illegal population, so you better be careful what you wish for because the GOP run state already sucks ass. Less money for roads, schools, and hospitals is not going to help that.

Other than a few sanctuary cities, this will hit the GOP as hard or harder if you just want it for representation. Illegals live in conservative areas too, I'd say more so between the coast.

Trump and company just want to create bad will towards hispanic people, this is why they want this so bad. It's just another wedge to divide us. Supporting Trump is the hill y'all decided to die on, the GOP is over.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.


If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.



Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that, but congressional representation is not an individual thing, it's a community thing. This is just an extension of the GOP's persecution of the other. They want to transfer more congressional power to districts that vote republican. Ohio has a huge illegal population, so you better be careful what you wish for because the GOP run state already sucks ass. Less money for roads, schools, and hospitals is not going to help that.

Other than a few sanctuary cities, this will hit the GOP as hard or harder if you just want it for representation. Illegals live in conservative areas too, I'd say more so between the coast.

Trump and company just want to create bad will towards hispanic people, this is why they want this so bad. It's just another wedge to divide us. Supporting Trump is the hill y'all decided to die on, the GOP is over.


You don't even know what your talking about. Illegal aliens cost the USA about 140 billion dollars lost from from taxes. That's 9-11 every single friggin year.

What taxes do you think illegals with no social security number are paying? It sure isn't income taxes unless they are committing tax fraud and identity theft. What's one more felony right? Never mind that businesses pay much lower wages in areas with large pools of illegal labor. So not only are job taken away from people who deserve those jobs as American citizens but the jobs become so undervalued that normal citizens can't earn a decent living at them after a while because of the wage being driven down. Businesses then get used to not paying a fair wage for work that is done and value the employees even less because they are easily replaceable by illegal labor. Thus even more tax wages are loss because people making a living wage on honest pay for honest work pay a LOT more in taxes.

Also your pretty racist to think it's only Hispanics are here illegally. There are a lot of russians and asians here illegally too. Of course many of them came here against their will. Maybe, just maybe if we could secure our southern border we could put more effort into securing out interior and actually making out country safer by doing a normal thing a country does all over the rest of the world by simply knowing who is in your country and getting rid of the ones who are not there legally.


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The census is to calculate US citizens not people who are here illegally and who should not be counted towards a state's legal representatives. Only legal citizens should be counted towards the census.

Then again liberal states love to use illegal aliens to cast fake votes to begin with so that criminals can help to run their states. Then they wonder why they keep falling apart.


Show me that in the constitution.

Or here is this:

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/about/census-constitution.html

But if you seen it on Fox News it must be true.


Again you show your ignorance. It's been on the long form of the census for a very long time now. Comparing the original census when we didn't even have clearly defined borders or even territories or states for that matter to this day in time is just silly.

Here are some stats for you. Even as far back as 2003 18 million illegal aliens took over influence of over 29 congressional seats. That is a FACT. It literally changed the political landscape by GIVING california 6 new seats in the house of congress.

So you have California gaining representation because of illegal aliens and stripping them away from other states and US citizens. Those are real Americans losing their voice to THEIR government to lawbreakers and thieves who stole their way in and then lie to stay in and keep breaking the laws of our country.

Yet you sit there in ignorance with the audacity to say these criminals are a benefit to our country and to real Americans? Please just stop. American has suffered enough.


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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.


If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.



Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that, but congressional representation is not an individual thing, it's a community thing. This is just an extension of the GOP's persecution of the other. They want to transfer more congressional power to districts that vote republican. Ohio has a huge illegal population, so you better be careful what you wish for because the GOP run state already sucks ass. Less money for roads, schools, and hospitals is not going to help that.

Other than a few sanctuary cities, this will hit the GOP as hard or harder if you just want it for representation. Illegals live in conservative areas too, I'd say more so between the coast.

Trump and company just want to create bad will towards hispanic people, this is why they want this so bad. It's just another wedge to divide us. Supporting Trump is the hill y'all decided to die on, the GOP is over.


You don't even know what your talking about. Illegal aliens cost the USA about 140 billion dollars lost from from taxes. That's 9-11 every single friggin year.

What taxes do you think illegals with no social security number are paying? It sure isn't income taxes unless they are committing tax fraud and identity theft. What's one more felony right? Never mind that businesses pay much lower wages in areas with large pools of illegal labor. So not only are job taken away from people who deserve those jobs as American citizens but the jobs become so undervalued that normal citizens can't earn a decent living at them after a while because of the wage being driven down. Businesses then get used to not paying a fair wage for work that is done and value the employees even less because they are easily replaceable by illegal labor. Thus even more tax wages are loss because people making a living wage on honest pay for honest work pay a LOT more in taxes.

Also your pretty racist to think it's only Hispanics are here illegally. There are a lot of russians and asians here illegally too. Of course many of them came here against their will. Maybe, just maybe if we could secure our southern border we could put more effort into securing out interior and actually making out country safer by doing a normal thing a country does all over the rest of the world by simply knowing who is in your country and getting rid of the ones who are not there legally.


I never said hispanics are the only illegals, but when is the last time you heard Trump mention those darned illegal Russians?

And many illegals use fake SSNs to get jobs. Their checks are taxed. I know not all, for the ones working under the table the blame should be placed squarely on the employer 100%. BUT income tax is only one of many taxes you pay. They pay all the other taxes too.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.


If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.



Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that, but congressional representation is not an individual thing, it's a community thing. This is just an extension of the GOP's persecution of the other. They want to transfer more congressional power to districts that vote republican. Ohio has a huge illegal population, so you better be careful what you wish for because the GOP run state already sucks ass. Less money for roads, schools, and hospitals is not going to help that.

Other than a few sanctuary cities, this will hit the GOP as hard or harder if you just want it for representation. Illegals live in conservative areas too, I'd say more so between the coast.

Trump and company just want to create bad will towards hispanic people, this is why they want this so bad. It's just another wedge to divide us. Supporting Trump is the hill y'all decided to die on, the GOP is over.



"Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that,"

This is easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Please explain Professor how creating an entire class of people who can't vote = representation within the political structure?

Oh.. I see... they get their representation through the overseers of a certain political party. Why should they worry about speaking for themselves when the Democrats can speak for them (language barriers not withstanding). Sounds an awful like exploitation...


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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
The census is to calculate US citizens not people who are here illegally and who should not be counted towards a state's legal representatives. Only legal citizens should be counted towards the census.

Then again liberal states love to use illegal aliens to cast fake votes to begin with so that criminals can help to run their states. Then they wonder why they keep falling apart.


Show me that in the constitution.

Or here is this:

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/about/census-constitution.html

But if you seen it on Fox News it must be true.


Again you show your ignorance. It's been on the long form of the census for a very long time now. Comparing the original census when we didn't even have clearly defined borders or even territories or states for that matter to this day in time is just silly.

Here are some stats for you. Even as far back as 2003 18 million illegal aliens took over influence of over 29 congressional seats. That is a FACT. It literally changed the political landscape by GIVING california 6 new seats in the house of congress.

So you have California gaining representation because of illegal aliens and stripping them away from other states and US citizens. Those are real Americans losing their voice to THEIR government to lawbreakers and thieves who stole their way in and then lie to stay in and keep breaking the laws of our country.

Yet you sit there in ignorance with the audacity to say these criminals are a benefit to our country and to real Americans? Please just stop. American has suffered enough.


You sound like every bigot I've ever seen. I thought you were some big Christian, but your views of your fellow man sound pretty damnable to me. The overwhelming majority of these people only want to work and contribute to society while escaping a much worse existence in their home countries. That is something you would condemn them for... The difference between you and me is that no part of me is ignorant like you just called me.

It's one thing to state your view, or dislike the 'illegal law breakers' for actually breaking the law, but you seem to seethe a putrid hatred that you only want to justify with that rhetoric. WWJD? Not act like you.

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I never said hispanics are the only illegals, but when is the last time you heard Trump mention those darned illegal Russians?

And many illegals use fake SSNs to get jobs. Their checks are taxed. I know not all, for the ones working under the table the blame should be placed squarely on the employer 100%. BUT income tax is only one of many taxes you pay. They pay all the other taxes too.


You know who else pays "all the other taxes too"? Tourists. I guess you want to let them vote as well right? Oh, what about foreign companies who have businesses here too. They pay a ton of those other taxes as well through their commerce.. maybe their Board of Directors should be able to vote too?


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I never said hispanics are the only illegals, but when is the last time you heard Trump mention those darned illegal Russians?

And many illegals use fake SSNs to get jobs. Their checks are taxed. I know not all, for the ones working under the table the blame should be placed squarely on the employer 100%. BUT income tax is only one of many taxes you pay. They pay all the other taxes too.


You know who else pays "all the other taxes too"? Tourists. I guess you want to let them vote as well right? Oh, what about foreign companies who have businesses here too. They pay a ton of those other taxes as well through their commerce.. maybe their Board of Directors should be able to vote too?



When did I say let them vote? I want them counted on the census because they live where they live. But don't let facts stop your rant.


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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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This whole census question is nothing more that GOP gerrymandering on a new level.

Then what is wanting to extend the vote to illegals? To incarcerated felons? etc?


Haven't heard anybody say that illegals should have voting rights. The incarcerated felons thing is a constitutional debate. Personally I don't care either way because inmates will vote across the board so that's not gerrymandering IMHO.


If you don't believe illegals should have voting Rights than why should they be counted when determining Representation? I get that some areas need additional funding to deal with the negative impact of illegal immigration. But I view that as a separate issue from the number of allocated seats in the House.



Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that, but congressional representation is not an individual thing, it's a community thing. This is just an extension of the GOP's persecution of the other. They want to transfer more congressional power to districts that vote republican. Ohio has a huge illegal population, so you better be careful what you wish for because the GOP run state already sucks ass. Less money for roads, schools, and hospitals is not going to help that.

Other than a few sanctuary cities, this will hit the GOP as hard or harder if you just want it for representation. Illegals live in conservative areas too, I'd say more so between the coast.

Trump and company just want to create bad will towards hispanic people, this is why they want this so bad. It's just another wedge to divide us. Supporting Trump is the hill y'all decided to die on, the GOP is over.



"Why shouldn't they be represented as part of the greater communities they live in? A lot of these 'illegals' pay the same taxes you do. They don't have the personal right to vote and I agree with that,"

This is easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Please explain Professor how creating an entire class of people who can't vote = representation within the political structure?

Oh.. I see... they get their representation through the overseers of a certain political party. Why should they worry about speaking for themselves when the Democrats can speak for them (language barriers not withstanding). Sounds an awful like exploitation...





Let me put this in TROG (dumbed down) for you...

Do you think illegals ONLY live where libs serve in congress? Answer: No

Do you think illegals will check a box on the census that says they are here illegally just to be counted? Answer: No

Do you think people living in those communities that are legal or citizens should be punished and lose government funding because illegals are afraid to be counted? Answer: You don't think that way

Do you think a representative in congress, any one of them, only represents illegal immigrants in their district? Answer: No

Did you know there are 321,000 unauthorized people in North Carolina? Answer: my guess is probably not

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/NC

Will you be good losing funding or a congressional seat or two? Answer: nope

Do you despise those dirty sanctuary cities the liberals devils run that Fox News tells you about over and over every day? Answer: Yup, I hates em so much that I'd vote for crap that kicks me in the nads ifin Trump told me to...

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
The census is to calculate US citizens not people who are here illegally and who should not be counted towards a state's legal representatives. Only legal citizens should be counted towards the census.

Then again liberal states love to use illegal aliens to cast fake votes to begin with so that criminals can help to run their states. Then they wonder why they keep falling apart.


Show me that in the constitution.

Or here is this:

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/about/census-constitution.html

But if you seen it on Fox News it must be true.


Again you show your ignorance. It's been on the long form of the census for a very long time now. Comparing the original census when we didn't even have clearly defined borders or even territories or states for that matter to this day in time is just silly.

Here are some stats for you. Even as far back as 2003 18 million illegal aliens took over influence of over 29 congressional seats. That is a FACT. It literally changed the political landscape by GIVING california 6 new seats in the house of congress.

So you have California gaining representation because of illegal aliens and stripping them away from other states and US citizens. Those are real Americans losing their voice to THEIR government to lawbreakers and thieves who stole their way in and then lie to stay in and keep breaking the laws of our country.

Yet you sit there in ignorance with the audacity to say these criminals are a benefit to our country and to real Americans? Please just stop. American has suffered enough.


You sound like every bigot I've ever seen. I thought you were some big Christian, but your views of your fellow man sound pretty damnable to me. The overwhelming majority of these people only want to work and contribute to society while escaping a much worse existence in their home countries. That is something you would condemn them for... The difference between you and me is that no part of me is ignorant like you just called me.

It's one thing to state your view, or dislike the 'illegal law breakers' for actually breaking the law, but you seem to seethe a putrid hatred that you only want to justify with that rhetoric. WWJD? Not act like you.


Jesus would say obey the laws and render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. He would also tell them not to lie, bear false witness, steal, etc.

I treat criminals as criminals. I treat immigrants as immigrants. People who come here illegally are not immigrants but criminals who broke the law and should be punished for breaking the law. It's not complicated.

Then again why even have laws if your not going to enforce them. Hell why have congress for that matter. I mean if they write laws but no one enforces those laws then why even give them a job to begin with. I am just so seriously tired of the lack of reasoning and logic ability some people seriously show.


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31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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I'm the Atheist... and I see the fault in your thinking in a more Christian way than you probably ever will because hate has blinded you to the truth of your own beliefs.


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They don't want them to be counted in order to punish sanctuary cities and states by cutting their government funding. It's a classic right wing deal. "Do as we say or be punished."

Most of them have no idea who all this will actually impact and where they live.

Source: Immigration and Customs Enforcement Data

States

California
Colorado
Illinois
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oregon
Vermont

Cities and Counties

California

Alameda County
Berkley
Contra Costa County
Los Angeles County
Los Angeles
Monterey County
Napa County
Oakland
Riverside County
Sacramento County
San Bernardino County
San Diego County
San Francisco
San Francisco County
San Mateo County
Santa Ana
Santa Clara County
Santa Cruz County
Sonoma County
Watsonville

Colorado

Arapahoe County
Aurora
Boulder County
Denver
Denver County
Garfield County
Grand County
Jefferson County
Larimer County
Mesa County
Pitkin County
Pueblo County
Routt County
San Miguel County
Weld County

Connecticut

East Haven
Hartford

Florida

Alachua County

Georgia

Clayton County
DeKalb County

Iowa

Benton County
Cass County
Fremont County
Greene County
Ida County
Iowa City
Iowa City, Johnson County
Jefferson County
Marion County
Monona County
Montgomery County
Pottawattamie County
Sioux County

Illinois

Chicago
Cook County

Kansas

Butler County
Harvey County

Louisiana

New Orleans

Massachusetts

Amherst
Boston
Cambridge
Concord
Lawrence
Newton
Northhampton
Somerville

Maryland

Baltimore
Montgomery County
Prince George's County

Michigan

Ingham County
Kalamazoo County
Kent County
Wayne County

Minnesota

Hennepin County

Mississippi

Jackson

Nebraska

Hall County
Sarpy County

New Jersey

Newark

New Mexico

Bernalillo County
New Mexico County Jails
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In some cases they will hit those they actually wish to target. In other cases it will hurt some states and places they narrowly won in 2016. In the end they'll shoot themselves in the foot by not fully thinking this thing through.

It's what happens when Trumpian emotions and poor impulse control dictate your actions.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
They don't want them to be counted in order to punish sanctuary cities and states by cutting their government funding. It's a classic right wing deal. "Do as we say or be punished."

It's what happens when Trumpian emotions and poor impulse control dictate your actions.


Or perhaps it's really just a case of I don't want my taxes spent on illegal aliens and I don't want states to gain congressmen for people who are not citizens and should be kicked out instead of encouraged to disregard our laws by thinking that our laws don't apply to them.

Maybe we just want people to be treated fairly by the law and for those who break the law to be punished when they do.


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I didn't know trying to not count people who actually live in the U.S. was the law.

cen·sus
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noun
noun: census; plural noun: censuses

an official count or survey of a population, typically recording various details of individuals.


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Personally I think we should have the census. It's not a new thing, it was around before.

We also need to have a mandatory voter ID law in all states and all elections in order to properly vote. There's no reason to disagree with that.


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Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
Personally I think we should have the census. It's not a new thing, it was around before.

We also need to have a mandatory voter ID law in all states and all elections in order to properly vote. There's no reason to disagree with that.


I have zero issue with voter ID as long as it is an easily accessible free ID that can be issued in a very timely same day manner. As long as we are not using it to suppress any group of legal voters vote, I'm all for it.


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I honestly don't think we need a census. Just force all citizens to have a national ID and make it free and mandatory to update the living address on it.

At the end of the year let the federal databases update where those citizens live and boom instant census of the legal voters of the country. Adjust house delegates accordingly and automatically.

Want to vote then have your national ID on hand. Instant end to voter fraud.


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You need to count every person living in the country. Children getting IDs? Non-citizens? Prisoners? Not to mention that the constitution calls for a census... but hey why let that stand in the way of the GOPer agenda?

I'd like to know where all the tea party people are while the constitution is getting trampled on by the right.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
You need to count every person living in the country. Children getting IDs? Non-citizens? Prisoners? Not to mention that the constitution calls for a census... but hey why let that stand in the way of the GOPer agenda?

I'd like to know where all the tea party people are while the constitution is getting trampled on by the right.


Kids can have a national ID that is also used for a school ID. Imagine that. Having to be a US citizen to spend US tax dollars. Terrible right?

Non citizens can't legally vote and neither can felons so no they don't need to be represented.

Perhaps you could educate yourself on the changes made to the census and why they were made. Our forefathers new the constitution would need to change and adapt to changing times. Thus we have amendments and new laws passed. Don't let the facts and logic get in your way though.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I'd like to know where all the tea party people are while the constitution is getting trampled on by the right.


More like being goose stepped upon. The press is being burnt faster than books during the Nazi era.


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