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Ugh....

Honestly, I don't understand this list.

Only Culpepper and Mitchell have as good or better TD per game rate in a single season.

I don't think any of them had a season like Baker did. Culpepper threw like 40 TDs in a season with 1/3 of them to Moss. Mitchell was a career back-up and then had a few decent games including the one against the Browns that started his "career" because we killed Marino. I'm not even sure where he fits in in comparison to Baker.

Vince Young took like 3-4 years to throw as many TDs as Baker did in 1. Sanchez took 2.

I would also argue that Carr had one of his better seasons last year, but the rest of his team sucked and he lost his #1 receiver.

This is just such a weird list because honestly I don't think anyone on that list is really comparable.

He wasn't comparing them to Baker, he was simply posting evidence that there is such a thing as a "sophomore slump".

Correct.

We need to make sure Sam Darnold gets a load of his own brand of Sophmore Slump in about 70 days, on Monday Night Football, in New York, When the Browns come to town and ruin a Jets early season home game!

I recognize that. My post remains the same, however. The only one on the list who I think might qualify is Bradford. There may be a case for RG3 as well, however I fail to see how the rest would be considered to have had a "sophomore slump." To me, it's still a weird list. The comparisons to Baker are arbitrary and not a direct rebuttal to the original post.

I am curious to know why or how QBs like Losman, Locker, Mitchell and Cutler are considered to have had a sophomore slump and why they are included on this list.

You are right. I am wrong.

Have a nice day.

Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. Regarding Josh I always wanted him to master his demons for his own sake. I said the same thing the other day somewhere on the board - I still feel the same way. The only comment I can remember you ever making was that fans only wanted to wish him well because he was a Brown ... I don't remember anything personal at all. Feel free to correct me.

As for the instances you listed - I'd call them immature or emotional. Not arrogant. As would many I think. I haven't claimed he's a saint or without flaws in his behavior.

Probably some truth to this - there is a tendency to sometimes hate the guy on the other team that you'd love to if he was on your team. That said - I can't count the number of non Browns fans that I've spoken to and they virtually all say that they love what Baker brings to the Browns and his attitude in addition to his play. After being seen as doormat for many years - I think their thought process is the Browns need someone to bring some 'tude to the Browns play on the field.

What am I right about? I didn't say anything about right or wrong, I just asked why was Jake Locker on the list of having a sophomore slump.

I wouldn't be in that group. Plain and simple I don't see Baker's actions as arrogant. If humble is the opposite of arrogant, I would call Baker humble. If Baker was arrogant I wouldn't have been so adamant about drafting him.

Can we get back to keys to the season, please?

I see your point and agree. The term "sophomore slump" is usually used when a freshman/rookie balls out in year one, only to slide to mediocrity in year two. I don't recall any guys on that list fitting that criteria - maybe RG3, but he turned out to be a fluke. Carr is the most-recent guy I can think of.

I personally think of sophomore slumps more-so for guys who actually got back in the groove in year 3. Again, that list contains few guys that fit that bill as well.

Fluke, flash-in-the pan, over-rated, sophomore slumpers, not-really-that-good-in-the-first-place, etc. Let's hope Baker is not put in any of those categories.

Keys:

Baker's development
Baker staying healthy
Other key guys staying healthy

I think inserting injuries into one of the three keys to the season is a good choice. If Baker gets hurt, we are probably in big trouble. See the Backup QB thread. An injury to one of our offensive linemen could be devastating.

Dorsey has done a great job of replacing the junk that the previous FO put out there, but I don't think we are deep enough to overcome a significant amount of injuries.

Probably not. We will have to hope that the guys step up and play the way John thinks they can.

Staying fairly healthy is always a key. A very obvious key. When good players go down, team play suffers. Teams don't have 22 starters with 22 players of equal ability sitting there as insurance.

Not disagreeing with you here...but we already did that in Kendall Lamb. With the interior depth we appear to have, maybe Bitonio is the backup LT?

Proud is the opposite of Humble, Arrogant/Arrogance is a little different, Arrogant carries a more negative connotation.

We can all be proud we accomplished a goal, arrogance is to be moreso, "In Your Face" "I accomplished the flippin Goal."

Which is the process of being,(arrogant)<edit) doing, which is the act of Bragging,
bragging, unlike what many people seem to tell us now a days,
bragging is still bad, and arrogant, even if you can back it up.


It's more classy to back it up, but leave it , to let the action to speak for itself, (think James Bond, getting over on a villain).

Yeah! Keys to the season.

In these conversations, i think sometimes our own personal definitions of what is confident vs cocky vs arrogant vs proud varies from one poster to the next. To put the conversation on the same page here are the definitions from merriam-webster:

Confident

1 : full of conviction : CERTAIN
confident of success
confident that conditions will improve

2 : having or showing assurance and self-reliance
a confident young businessman
a confident manner


Cocky

1 : boldly or brashly self-confident
a cocky young actor

2 : JAUNTY


Arrogant

1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
an arrogant official

2 : showing an offensive attitude of superiority : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance


Proud

1 : feeling or showing pride: such as
a : having or displaying excessive self-esteem
b : much pleased : EXULTANT
c : having proper self-respect

2a : marked by stateliness : MAGNIFICENT
b : giving reason for pride : GLORIOUS
the proudest moment in her life

3 : VIGOROUS, SPIRITED
a proud steed

I always took arrogant to be "I'm better than you because I can ......."

Well, I admire the tenacity that some of you are displaying in making this thread all about Baker's personality and nothing to do w/the "Three Keys to the Season," even after I asked that we move on.

We aren't going to agree about Baker's personality. I'm fine w/those who don't agree w/me. They are opinions. Perhaps y'all can respect my right to have an opinion?????

May we please move on now?

You learned something

You can bet we will sign a few at camp cut dates. I can't think of a time where rosters were made....for a day or five before being cut in favor of another cut player.

Things as still very fluid a week or so after final cut down date.

I thought I would revive this thread because it seems relevant. My three keys were coaching, QB, and Chemistry.

Right now, the coaching and qb are not looking very good. Chemistry has not yet been combustible, but I wonder what will happen if we don't start winning?

If we keep losing it will kill the chemistry.
Unless Baker starts playing better it will be hard for him to lead.
Freddie had better start coaching and calling plays better.
Team discipline as far as penalties will only get worse with more losing.
I said before the season started that Freddie needed to become more of a leader instead of trying to be every one's buddie. That good old boy act will wear thin with each loss.