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A RG by the name of Zeitler
The Cleveland Browns - WE KNOW QUARTERBACKS ( Look at how many we've had ... )
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It's easier to look at who is left from before Dorsey:
QB: None
RB: None
TE: Njoku
OL: Tretter, Bitonio
WR: Higgins
DL: Garrett, Ogunjobi
LB: Schobert (Kirksey: IR)
DB: None
LS: Hughlett
K: None
P: None Is that because the players were bad or because Dorsey was cleaning house for the sake of cleaning house? (Probably a little of both.) Well ... what worthwhile players did we have that he let go. I can think of Seth Devalve, Jason McCourty, Jamie Meder, and maybe Nassib as possibilities ....... and Jamie Collins, though he never seemed interested in playing here. I was not a big fan of Peppers ... so I didn't care that he was traded. Who else? Maybe Danny Shelton? There aren't many, that's for sure.
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Everyone is mad that we fired Dorsey, I get it, he got a lot of names in here.
But other than being good at a talent evaluator, what did he do well?
No one can answer that, because we have no idea what he was like on a day to day basis. Reports are he was brash, hard to work with, "his way or the highway", and overall was not really great at managing a cap. We know hes crap at picking a HC, reports are he let Baker do whatever he wanted, and other reports are if you didn't get brought in by him or drafted by him, he didn't want you here.
He sucked at parts of his position plain and simple, and his employer wanted to take away those parts from him, which he refused.
But to act like the guy was perfect is well - not logical.
The more I look into him and read repots, the more I think we can do better. I agree. He is a scout. A GM also has to be a manager, a forward thinker. He isn't. Sounds a lot like Savage if you ask me, except I do think Savage has a higher IQ.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
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J/C People out here boasting about how much talent Dorsey brought in because they think that's how you win. We lost with Sashi because of talent. We lost with Dorsey because of coaching. Keeping the double standard alive. 
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Support Haslam because the Browns beat all 3 AFC North opponents this year!
Last edited by THROW LONG; 01/03/20 10:20 PM.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Support Haslem because the Browns beat all 3 AFC North opponents this year! John Dorsey gets that credit. And Kitchens to a lesser degree (Sometimes talent overcomes bad coaching. But not often.)
No Craps Given
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Support Haslem because the Browns beat all 3 AFC North opponents this year! John Dorsey gets that credit. And Kitchens to a lesser degree (Sometimes talent overcomes bad coaching. But not often.) Until the New coach and GM are named, I think it better not to complain, because, there's still the "Chance"; they get a really good one.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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For all the money Haslam pays to past coaches, is there a point where it becomes cheaper to move the expansion browns, then sell them, buy the ravens, and bring them back to cleveland?
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Because he owns the team and isn’t selling it?
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Because he owns the team and isn’t selling it? Choices are few and I sure ain't gonna a like Pitt, Cincy or most anyone else...
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I support the browns for now, not the thief .... He was a worse human being than he is owner .... guess thats not true ... he’s been the worst owner in the history of sports so far and as big a dirtbag as he was there’s been much much much worse human beings ... His 1st move had me extremely worried ... hiring Banned was moronic ... then he hired Chud and when Norv came on board I had hope again ... then after one year he fired chud ... Believe in him ...  ... His stupid has no floor ...
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I heard something on the radio yesterday. They said that the 2owners, in the major sports, with the worst overall records, are Ted Stephen...... In 2nd worst...... And our own beloved Jimmy Haslem with the worst winning percentageYea us!
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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