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Pit, I get what you are saying. I remember him saying it and the tone he used. I know Vers was on this too. I think the question is now, will he change his tune after being the worst QB in the league. That, IMO, will be the test of who he really is. I think if he swallows a humble pill and let's these guys teach him, he can end up being very good.

I know people like him, or at least as he appears to many. They are convinced that they don't need anybody but them selves to achieve a goal. Arrogance can make a fool out of anybody. Let's hope he realizes this is the big time, and you better take any help available.

Well this quote was from December 27th of 2019. Two days before our final game. So I think the evidence was pretty much in on how he was performing as a QB.

Now there was a statement he made about working with a QB expert like Tom House at the end of the 20018 season where he called guys like House "broom sweepers". Even though many great QB's have worked with people like House during the off season. So I guess how I could see a personality such as himself feeling exactly as you described.

So unless he had an epiphany in the past two months, his comment in regards to his three step drop would be a very recent comment to indicate how he feels.

IMO, it is time to put up or shut up for him. Many guys come into the league and have a good year, then when teams get their film, they are done. I hope he realizes that last year belonged to him, and he faltered. Half way thru the season, I lost all faith in him being the franchise guy I thought he would be. As of now, this past season is what he is, IMO, he better ball out this year or he will be looked at as a huge bust.

Play-action will be a big part ?!?!

I'm not ready to make a judgement on Baker. He will certainly have to improve. But the kid has the raw talent. It's there.

And I will point out that his comment was in regards to working with what some call a "QB Guru". Who many great QB's have worked with in the past. So it's hard for me to believe it isn't a valuable tool.

However, he is contractually obligated to work with the Browns coaching staff while he is not contractually obligated to work with a guy like Tom house during the off season. Now how he accepts that instruction and applies it will go a long way in how his future progresses from here.

So for me the jury is out and I'm not ready to base my opinion of him on how well he did in his first season or how poorly he performed in his second season.

Is this the comment about broom sweepers your referring to?


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2594...kley-motivation

Mayfield has talked about the importance of taking time away from the game, but said he will soon return to the gym -- just not with a quarterback specialist.


"No, I'm not going to have any guy swiping a broom at my feet in the ocean, that type of quarterback training," he said. "I don't believe in that. I'll go to a normal gym where I trained last year. I don't need some guy to try and teach me how to throw. I'll have a guy that pushes me in workouts. Has other athletes in there. The intensity's up. It's a working environment."

No but that is yet another reference to it. I mean he seems to say he doesn't need someone to teach him how to throw. He doesn't need someone to teach him the three step drop. It seems like he feels he doesn't need anyone to teach him much of anything but a play book.

Maybe we should cut him.

j/c

A lot of assumptions going on around here...

j/c:

Dorsey did not build a talented roster.





The Browns have as much--if not more--talent as any team in the league. There are some question marks at key spots, such as QB, HC, FO, and the team chemistry of being able to overcome a culture of losing that the Sashi regime brought to the team.........but, if the team gets off to a hot start, Baker is at least mediocre, and Stef isn't a total dud......this team could do very well.

Then again, those are all big question marks.

I agree this team has talent. But, cut quite a bit of talented depth thru the course of last season that will be tough to replace Antonio Callaway, Devaroe Lawrence, Chris Smith, Treveon Coley, and Genard Avery for various reasons. Lack of discipline on and off the field mainly.

That was the biggest issue last season lack of discipline. It reared it's ugly head week 1 last year when the team came unglued. It arose many times after during last season. This was ultimately done Kitchens in and took down Dorsey.

I think that will be the new coach Stefanski biggest challenge.

Then he needs to build an identity. This is where reading about Stefanski has me excited. I read that his Vikings offense ran the ball 2nd most in the NFL last season to only the 49ers. I believe that is where Stefanski will build the teams identity. Play smash mouth with Chubb and Hunt and then play action off that.

I think Kitchens was very pass happy. Our 2 tackles had bad seasons last year but if Kitchens would have used the run more to set up the pass they may have held up better. Nick Chubb nearly lead the entire NFL in rushing with less than 20 carrier per game.

I think hiring Joe Woods and his attack style 4-3 will allow for the defensive line and Myles Garrett to thrive getting after QB's. I think he will maximize the talent at corner with Ward and Williams.

He just needs to discipline this team and build an identity. Easier said than done.

Nice post, but just to offer you some more information.

The run the ball mandate almost assuredly came from Zimmer. I am not bad-mouthing Stef here because I am one who believes in balance.

With that said, his WRs.......Diggs and Theilan lambasted the playcalling as being too conservative. Kyle Rudolph, who is a huge talent, was largely ignored for the first 3/4 of the year.

I get that Brown's fans love changing coaches and front offices and bringing in new player after new player. However, that is the what the Browns have done since their rebirth and that strategy has failed miserably.

There is no doubt that Dorsey built a talented roster. Anyone who argues otherwise is being disingenuous. We also have a ton of holes on the roster that need to be addressed. At the very least we need two starting tackles, two starting safeties, and a starting linebacker. One can also argue we need a starting tight end end and right guard but I think those positions can be filled with guys currently on the roster.

I would not argue w/most of that. It does take time to fix a roster that was so bad. I also think that no roster is perfect. Look at some of the guy's on KC's OL and in their back 7. And they won a Super Bowl.

I think Robinson was good enough at LT. The hand-wringing over the OL last year was off the chain. Of course, he is now no longer available. Changing OL guys all the time is tough because no other unit relies more on continuity than that particular unit.

One question: Why do you think it's a must that we need a starting LBer? I also don't know if we absolutely need a new starting SS.

Re: LB... I think a lot depends on what the scheme demands. IIRC, we're down to just 1 starting caliber LB with Kirksey being released. Relying on 1-2 of the second year guys to up their game that much in their first NFL offseason is a big ask. I think we need at least 1.

Re: Safety... as of now we're good, but I think many on here are expecting to lose a couple of the guys we have to FA. Randall could walk and was a headcase last year, Burnett is hurt and old, Murray is UFA. I think I'm missing someone... but point is we have quite a few starter-level guys that will need work done on their contract in order to stay. I expect to have to backfill at least 1 starter even though I want to keep the guys we have.


In an earlier post you said Sashi Co. brought the losing culture here. I don't think that's totally accurate. The losing culture was already here, but that FO cultivated it so it could bloom into 1-31.

When was Kirksey released? The team site still shows him on the roster.

I think he meant Taylor?

I would agree w/you that the Brown's already had a losing culture before Sashi and company took over. I will just add that cultivating a losing culture [even indirectly] is very hard to overcome in football, because you play so few games.

Ah shoot. I'm sorry everyone. I got my 'released' and 'will probably release' lists mixed.

My bad. Thanks for catching that.

Maybe you should address the actual things Baker has said rather than be snarky. What he has said is not the fault of those pointing out what he's said.

This seems to be a popular opinion on this board but the stats certainly do not back it up. Chubb had 298 rushing attempts in 2019. That is third in the entire NFL behind only Derrick Henry with 303 and Zeke with 301.

Schobert is a free agent. That leaves Kirksey (who will probably be cut) and Mack Wilson as the only linebackers with starting experience on the roster. I don't like going into the season with Wilson and Sione Takitaki as our starting linebackers.

Who do you have starting at safety? Eric Murray, Damarious Randall, and Juston Burris are all free agents. That leaves Sheldrick Redwine (who I think has a chance to be a quality starter), Morgan Burnett (who will probably be cut), and J.T. Hassell as the only safeties on the roster. As I said I like Redwine but I wouldn't want to go into the season with him penciled in at starter.

I misunderstood you. I am assuming that they re-sign a couple of the free agents you listed, especially Schobert.

298/16 = 18.625 carries per game on average. Yes .. Zeke and Henry also carried the ball less than 20 times a game as well.

It does seem strange how memories can play tricks on people. Even in the days of Jim brown it wasn't much higher. Over the course of Jim Browns career, he averaged rushing 20 times per game.

I was just asking a question.

Should we cut him? I am starting to read posts and think maybe so. Yep, we need to cut him. You convinced me.

Who has said to cut him other than you?

Why do you go there, peen? I think some of the other posters are rubbing off on you.

Whatever happened to that other LB coach....can't remember his name,,,,,was to be a sr defensive coach?

Wade Phillips is a bad source.

I'm not sure of you don't bother to read an entire thread or are just trying to be a smart ass here. But I tend to go with the latter of the two.

But just for the sake of giving you the benefit of the doubt I'll quote a post I made in between your rambling to clarify it for you....



Hope that helps. As Vers said, you are starting to sound like some of the others.