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I dont know if Simmons will be there at 10, but if he isn't Xavier McKinney the S from Alabama is the pick. Seriously how many games did the Browns win with Joe Thomas at LT, Alex Mack at C and Mitchell Schwartz at RT? I believe Joe Thomas' career record was 49-119. Boy what a difference maker. Until you get an elite QB, nothing else really matters.

I agree. Just because he is going to test free agency doesn't mean we still can't or won't sign him.

Maybe he doesn't want to sign now because he wants to test the waters. Maybe we don't have a good feel for what he is worth, or maybe we do and they don't agree?

It isn't uncommon for a player and agent to give the last team played for a chance to match or best another offer.

I get it. You don't want to set the market for Joe and his agent so they can say to other teams the starting point is here.

Schobert isn't gone yet.

List of Tackles taken in the lower rounds:

La'El Collins RT Cowboys taken in 7th Round
Alejandro Villanueva LT Steelers undrafted
Marcus Cannon RT Patriots 5th round pick
David Bakhtiari LT Packers 4th round
Andrew Whitworth LT Rams 3rd round pick by the Bengals

There are examples at every position where players drafted at lower rounds doing well. I just dont see this fan base's hangup on the OL when you dont even have a good QB

well drafting poorly at pretty much every position is the reason the Browns lose. They have actually drafted good OL that has led to a 101-235-1 record over 20 years. So good OL is meaningless if they arent blocking for anyone

To be polite, most of the reasoning in your post seems other-worldly to me. That's your right Dawg, do you. But what you've posted above is disingenuous.

Collin was expected to go round 1 or 2 until his name got mixed up in some kind of criminal investigation. He WAS NOT found under a rock he was a highly rated prospect who was impacted by an unfortunate situation.

He doesn't belong on your list.

Villanueva was active duty military the year of his draft class. He did his tour and, credit to the Steelers, they were in on him when he didn't re-enlist.

He doesn't belong on your list.

To your point, players at any position can be found in later rounds. I'm not disputing that. But it's simply not a frequent as you want to make out to be. If it is so easy, then you tell me, right now, who are the late-round OTs that are going to excel from the 2020 draft?

Those are facts that cannot be disputed. Just because you are making excuses for those I mentioned on my list that are 100% accurate. Havent looked that far yet to see what OT i would like them to draft in the later rounds. My picks will be posted before the draft. As of right now, i want Xavier McKinney S from Alabama at 10, assuming simmons is gone and Cole Kmet at 41 TE from Notre Dame

And the odds of trading back at pick 1O just increased.

Oh and Noah Igbinoghene CB from Auburn at 74

We get it, you like McKinney.

Lol classic

They may be facts but I am disputing them as it relates to your argument of guys graded as late rounders. My dispute is based on the reasons I've already given. You seem to wish to prove your point badly enough to include players that we all know don't fit the criteria of your argument. Anyone reading these post can see that.

BTW, prepare to be either outraged or disappointed or both. McKinney is a nice player but he's not going to be drafted by this team at 10. If he's on the board at 41 then he is worth considering.

Your boy just ran a 4.64 40. Outstanding...

Ed Reed ran a 4.57 40 and hes in the HOF. McKinney reminds me of Ed Reed. He can rush the passer, is a ballhawk and can tackle.

Corey Coleman ran a 4.37 and couldnt catch a cold

McKinney is rated the 15th best prospect on CBS Sportsline. So theres that

No offense but no one that lives in RI should be talking smack about anyone

The Great State of Rhode Island to you, that is.

You tell'm Hammer!!!

The thing with OL is you need at least 5 competent ones.

One player on the OL that consistently gets beat makes the whole offense bog down. See Cam Erving's time with the Browns.

Two players that consistently get beat ends up with the mess we had last year. Fortunately quick pressure on the outside can open up rushing lanes inside it or we'd have looked really bad.

They keep showing the stat on how they changed the numbers of receivers LSU sent on routes when talking about the jump Burrows made this season. They almost exclusively ran 5 man protections to give him options to choose from.

I wonder if we went the opposite direction. Did we keep guys in to help the tackles, which also limited Baker's options and gave the D fewer guys to worry about covering?

If I'm not mistaken we have more running yards with this "non-competent" OL than we did with all the superstars we had.

OL is IMHO mostly about attitude, coaching and working has a unit.

The superstars didn't have Chubb. He was towards the top of the league in breaking tackles.

We were second worst in the league in running to the right (generally the power side) in situations where we needed 2 yards or less on 3 or 4th down. We failed 2/3 of the time. ( Link ) We gave up lots of negative plays which killed drives. We also were in the top 5 for most false starts. ( Link )

I do need to reconsider whether we need OL at 10. We don't need a superstar. But, we still need to improve on what we have now.

Here in sandusky Cadar Point is hiring kids from 3rd world countries like RI.

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