DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Estimated 2020 Top 51 Cap Space by Spotrac is $58.3 million

I wasn't referring to you. I detected your meaning.

Just wanted to make sure.

Browns have a ton of work to do to get to 8-8. If Mayfield plays like he did last year, they may only win 3 games best case next year. Their defense has a lot of holes. Coaching and play calling may have contributed to his bad year, but there were plenty of times, he had 5-7 seconds to throw and wasn't even close on his passes.

Defense is going to be a disaster.

If Mayfield is also a disaster you can kiss the season good bye. At that point you tank for Lawrence.

As I said the Raiders stadium is gorgeous.

Lol. for sure. Nice Opening in 2021 is it?

This year.

I'd prefer to see the off season play out before we declare one entire side of the ball is going to be a disaster! DL is still an area of relative strength. MG, Vernon, Richards, Ogunjobi is a pretty damn good line. Ward and Greedy have the potential to be bonafide quality starting CB's. Arguably pressure from your DL and the CB's are the most vital elements to have stellar play.... we'll see what happens with LB and S positions.

Baker? Depending on your love/hate/hope levels - he's going to bounce back and be more than adequate or he's already a bust ... only time will actually tell.

Nice. Didnt realize that. How many is it gonna seat?

j/c:

Unless the FO completely demoralizes the will of the team w/mind-boggling moves, I expect the Browns to have a good record this year and probably make the playoffs. Dorsey left this team w/a ton of talent. Everyone in the know spoke to how much talent this team had last year. That hasn't changed. The Browns are loaded.

There are a couple of huge factors to consider:

1. Baker. I have not given up on him. He has the arm talent and moxie to be good. I wish he would work harder, shut his mouth, and concentrate on football. He might suck again. He might be very good. The Brown's season rests mostly on his shoulders. No other team has better skill players than the Browns do.

2. Coaching. Freddie and the crew were really bad last year. Stefanski has never been a HC and has limited experience as an OC. He was behind Shurmur and Flip.....of all people. However, he can't be worse than Freddie. Right?

3. Chemistry. The team needs to get off to a good start. The Analytics guys ensured that the team would have a negative culture. That is so hard to overcome in football due to the low number of games in a season and the time between games. We have talent. Get off to a good start and roll. Get off to a bad start and the worms crawl into the brains yet again.

Again..........I just hope the "smart" guys don't keep doing dumb things to kill the team again. This team has talent. They should make the playoffs if Baker plays at least decent and the coaching staff isn't horrid.

I'm going to disagree with you on this.

I really see a disastrous season. Even if Baker balls out, you're a Garrett injury away from a bottom 5 defense and you may be bottom 5 with him.

First year head coach. More emphasis on cap space then fielding a competitive team. I just don't like the recipe or the cooks.

I'm okay w/you disagreeing. I'm not even saying I am right. Just my take on things. I think we have a ton of talent. It's opinion and there is no name-calling or ridiculous statements. Debate is good.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

if we only had to worry about that.... we have 60 mill in cap space.

I don’t know the rankings and stats of Vernon, but to me he didn’t seem like much of an improvement over Ogbah or that much of a difference maker.

Like everything else, it depends what we think his value is AND if we think we can find someone better for cheaper

Ogbah's PFF grade last year was 70.1

Vernon's PFF grade last year was 80.4

Nassib...the people's champion....grade was 69.3

Btw............here is an article about Ogbah and the situation w/the Browns.



Man, Dorsey was so dumb!

Money is definitely an issue, unfortunately.

I wonder what Zettel's PFF grade was... you know, the player who subsequently replaced Nassib...

Why did Dorsey cut Nassib and trade Ogbah before having viable replacements in their stead?

Was he planning on Porter Gustin and Bryan Cox Jr stepping it up?

No doubt Vernon is better, just not sure how much better (10 points on that chart, apparently).

I also think our FO is probably thinking: Vernon’s value is not efficient. His contract doesn’t match his production. If they think we can sign/draft someone more cost efficient, I’m sure we’ll do that.

I’m hoping the Brown’s shore up the defense backfield and Oline in free agency. And hope they draft depth at the same positions.

Its all that matters to the sashiettes ...

Derpity Derp.

I certainly understand about cutting Kirksey. I mean he hasn't been healthy for some time. But other than that, that's not how any of this works. When you lose a LB'er, you need to sign a LB'er. So at least a large part of that money will be used to sign a replacement. We both know Mack Wilson isn't starting LB'er material. It's not like you become bereft in LB'ers and use that money to sign an OT.

Conversely, we were likely going to be bringing in a LBer anyway because while Kirksey was on the roster, he wasn't a contributor. The hole was there before he was released.

Oh I don't doubt that. My point was simply we need to sign a LB'er so the money we saved by cutting Kirksey doesn't transfer to the OT position.

It's obvious they felt with Kirksey being injured so much they wanted to find a more reliable replacement. I can't say I blame them for that part of it.

I'd expect we will get a mid-tier replacement in free agency, if we can, and then target one in the draft.

I've been rather supportive of the idea of taking Malik Harrison in the 3rd round.

All in on Malik Harrison !

I think Malik would be a great avenue to follow but I'm not sure he will still be there in round three. Just never really trusted the projections on players past round 1 from the talking heads. Even then I take it with a grain of salt. Which isn't good for my blood pressure.