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I have no idea of the relevance here but I thought it might be helpful to see how the Vikings used their FB in terms of possibly identifying what Stefanski may be looking for at the position. Of course Sefanski wasn't the HC and may have had very little to do with what player was selected to play FB. But hey, what the hell, right? This article was written just before the start of the 2019 season.

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In Vikings’ new offense the fullback is alive and well

After each game, Vikings fullback C.J. Ham makes a beeline to midfield in search of one person.

“I always make sure I dap up the other fullback if there is one,” Ham said with a smile. “There aren’t too many of us left, so I’m always riding with the other fullbacks in the league.”

A quick search of every NFL roster shows that at least a 1/3 of the teams don’t employ a fullback, and if they do, that player, more often than not, is mostly used as a lead blocker.

Luckily for Ham, that’s not how offensive advisor Gary Kubiak operates. He sees the fullback as a useful weapon, akin to how the San Francisco 49ers use Pro Bowl fullback Kyle Juszczyk.

“It’s very important,” Kubiak said. “It gives us a chance to be flexible.”

In the current scheme, Ham and fellow fullback Khari Blasingame can find themselves lined up in the backfield, on the line of scrimmage or split out wide — sometimes all in the same possession. They are used as lead blockers, ball carriers, pass protector, and pass catchers, very different than how most teams use what is viewed as a dying position.

“Just a lot of opportunity to contribute,” Blasingame said. “That’s why I came here. I felt like it was a good fit.”

While it’s pretty much a guarantee the Vikings will only keep one fullback on the roster, with Ham likely having the advantage based on experience, coach Mike Zimmer has spoken highly of both players.

“They are both athletic former tailback guys that are smart and tough,” Zimmer said. “C.J. is very important because there are a lot of things that he can do. Khari is a very good athlete. Those guys are hard to find.”

This shift under Kubiak and offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski has been a welcome change for Ham, especially considering how his role shrank significantly under former offensive coordinator John DeFilippo last season.

“It really just allows me to play,” Ham said. “I’m more a part of the offense now. You know, obviously blocking is still my main job; it’s just nice to be out there doing some other things, too.

It’s also way easier for Ham to get into a rhythm now that he’s on the field more consistently.

“You get into the flow of the game a little more instead of just coming in a handful of times,” he said. “I’m just happy on on this team to have another opportunity to be great.”

And the fact that Ham has Blasingame to push him only helps.

“I’ve just been trying to help him as much as I can,” Ham said. “We push each other. It helps to have somebody to compete with every day. That brings the best out of me.”

https://www.twincities.com/2019/08/22/ho...-secret-weapon/


Ham is 5'11" and 235#. He had only 7 rushing attempts for 17 yards in 2019 along with 17 receptions for 149 yards and one td.


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Ty, good read (I was looking for such an example from the Vikings).

Mack and Byner where both FBs' or RBs' no matter how they where listed on the depth chart.

We started what should have been a trend there, but we (others) forgot to remember.

The benefits should be obvious in having two guys who can block, run and catch.


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I agree.

I also think that Hunt did a very good job of blocking for Chubb this past year. I would roll w/those two instead of bringing in an experiment to play FB.

I actually thought Freddie did a good job of utilizing those two last year. It's the one thing he got right.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I agree.

I also think that Hunt did a very good job of blocking for Chubb this past year. I would roll w/those two instead of bringing in an experiment to play FB.

I actually thought Freddie did a good job of utilizing those two last year. It's the one thing he got right.


It keeps the defense off balance.
Hunt I think got better as a lead blocker, but he (and Chubb) still could get better at that aspect.

Even with Hunt for another year, I would still consider Zack Moss to fill that role going forward.

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I still think another body would be nice. A guy who can line up at TE and FB and do at least a mediocre job of blocking at both could find a home on our roster, I think.


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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I still think another body would be nice. A guy who can line up at TE and FB and do at least a mediocre job of blocking at both could find a home on our roster, I think.


I think I'd rather just have OTs that are good at blocking, and to let the TEs we have do what they are good at.

I include tendering RSJ in the guys we have.

I'd like the guys we have to work hard and get better at blocking, but I don't want to just add a mediocre blocker.

Can Njoku get mediocre at blocking and be that guy? Someone who can fake a lead block and slip up the seam?


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Whoa, Stefanski is very serious about a FB in the offense.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I agree.

I also think that Hunt did a very good job of blocking for Chubb this past year. I would roll w/those two instead of bringing in an experiment to play FB.

I actually thought Freddie did a good job of utilizing those two last year. It's the one thing he got right.



I think Monken was a Judas.

I also think Freddie was much better when he was the lone voice in the room. Last year you could just see it, he was trying to run an Air Raid Monken offense that was just a mess. Then Freddie would waffle on game plans because the air raid was NOT WORKING. FRom the first game, no one lining up correctly, Baker was the only one who sort of knew where they were lining up, constant time outs. God what a mess.

Just a huge rookie coach mistake and it cost him the job.

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Ah, so we got a FB to play FB. I'm glad it's this FO doing the signings and not DT members.

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You are probably talking about me.

I have no problem if the guy can actually add to the O by running and catching as well.



Screw the Lawrence Vickers type. Just play a guard if blocking is all they can do. I have been very consistent in that message.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
You are probably talking about me.

I have no problem if the guy can actually add to the O by running and catching as well.



Screw the Lawrence Vickers type. Just play a guard if blocking is all they can do. I have been very consistent in that message.


I take it, you are not a fan of the Vickers' Fullback option pass .. brownie


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I wasn't actually talking about you in this case. wink

More about others on this thread who kept insisting that there weren't enough FB's in the league to the extent we would have to find someone at another position and convert them to FB.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
More about others on this thread who kept insisting that there weren't enough FB's in the league to the extent we would have to find someone at another position and convert them to FB.


So Andrew Berry?

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Andrew Berry signed a FB. Andrew Berry never said we wouldn't sign a FB. He said to keep an open mind.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Andrew Berry signed a FB. Andrew Berry never said we wouldn't sign a FB. He said to keep an open mind.


Isn't that what other people in this thread were saying too?

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Well most colleges don't even use a FB, right? Where were these FB's I was talking about?

It seems as if there were people who didn't think actually finding a FB to play FB was very realistic. Then along came Berry.....


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our offense had great statistics last year. Chubb great stats. Hunt great stats. 2 1,000 yard WRs. We just didn't have any flow One thing did not lead to another.

FB again folks we are running a version of the Shanahan Offense. Ski is a disciple of Kubiac who was from Mike Shanahan and he was a tutor to Kyle. So FB is a big piece of the pie in this offense. Cooper and Conklin fit into the new system like a glove.

Hunt will still be a vital part of our offense. Cant wait till we get our LT and RG from the draft. Our O will then be set for years!

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Well said ... we just couldnt put it all together. I do think a LEGIT TE and FB will help this team. Baker needs those safety valves and is better suited to it rather than a vertical type attack IMO


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We're probably set at FB now, but Bronson Rechsteiner from Kennesaw State has a fun highlight tape.


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Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
We're probably set at FB now, but Bronson Rechsteiner from Kennesaw State has a fun highlight tape.
i love a good FB highlight tape haha


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
We're probably set at FB now, but Bronson Rechsteiner from Kennesaw State has a fun highlight tape.
Now that's a FB name right there.


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