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steve0255 #1758868 04/28/20 05:04 PM
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Defenses put their best pass rusher lined up on the offensive left side.


This is not even close to being true anymore. Teams lineup their best pass rusher over the weakest linemen or where he can to the QB fastest.

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You got all that from memory ?? lol

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Originally Posted By: steve0255
Well if my memory serves me correctly, T-Bone was an 1988 undrafted free agent from Western Carolina where he was a LT. He played for 8-years with the Browns playing both tackle spots. In 1988 he was a backup and only appeared in 4 games. In 1989 he was a backup appearing in 9-games while starting 3. In 1990, Jones became a full-time starter at RT for the Browns. He switched back to his familiar LT spot in 1991 and played LT for the Browns through 1995.

Jones played the inaugural year for the Baltimore Ravens at LT in 1996 holding the position for future HOF LT Jonathan Qgden who as a rookie in 1996 played LG next to Jones.

Jones went to the Broncos in 1997. Jones played RT for the Broncos in 1997 because the LT spot was held down by HOF and reigning Pro Bowl LT Gary Zimmerman. In 1998, Jones switched back to his familiar LT position and made his only Pro Bowl appearance. Jones continued at LT in 1999 and 2000 with the Broncos. Jones won 2-Super Bowls while a member of the Broncos.

T-Bone retired after the 2000 season.


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U mean like we move MG all over .... rofl ...




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Except for one thing you are not looking at SKILL SET at all. Its not the transition from right to left its the SKILL SET. Which lets face it the Skill set of a College RT is so rare to be as good as those of the LT. But in Wills case throughout his starting years at RT is that he had a Left handed QB and was left for the most part without chip blocking as an aide and handled that BLIND SIDE...so comparing him to other RTs making the transition to LT is futile cause its all about the Left handed QB.

Wills has the "SKILL SET" of a LT pure and simple. Not many do. He had that special something and showed the Quick step and powerful blocking. That SKILL SET is the key not the Right foot or the Left foot....that is a pffft adjustment that HAS to be made with repetition...not some new found SKILL SET.

So he is the best LT prospect even though he played exclusively RT...the key is he played the Blind Side of the QB

wink So not exactly your point. It not a huge move cause you are comparing it to not a normal transition. What is more important to the transition to NFL LT...regardless where you played in college. SKILL SET available is more important than the use of the right foot over the left foot in the first step.

That transition (right to left) is done by repetition not the development of some skill set that isn't there. Repetition is something that has to take place but is not an impossible task...unless the guy is lazy. It is just something that must take place....The skill set is within the kid RT or LT does not define that available skill set.

hopefully I made myself clear on this, doesn't mean you must agree with me as long as you UNDERSTAND what I am stating.



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Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
And there you have a president folks.


We could really use one of those about now. wink


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That seems to be the case nowadays, further complicated by who else might be part of the blitz package coming from either level of the secondary. And how good the individual blitzed is solo.

Reminds me of some of the craziness in our old 'UFO Defense' set; I think that is what it was called under? Palmer?


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Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
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Yes, Ty, obviously thats what I meant.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
And there you have a president folks.


We could really use one of those about now. wink


Why? They have no real power anyway
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And there you have a president folks.


We could really use one of those about now. wink


Why? They have no real power anyway
... wink ...


You're talking back to a time when the constitution was written. wink


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Pit, two thoughts. First I think joe t said the muscle memory training could be accomplished in two months of hard work. Second, I do not think the right tackle gets tight end help because he is the right tackle. He gets it because the best tackle is on the left, the qb’s blind side. If the qb is left handed the team puts their best tackle on the right side. Wouldn’t it follow that the tight end might provide help to the left tackle.

One other thought. Didnt bama’s starting left tackle get drafted last year. Don’t know a name but pretty sure he did get drafted, maybe first round??? He was good enough to get drafted but not good enough to beat wills out at the most important tackle position. So I think it is safe to say we got a pretty good tackle, not a guard in waiting.

Lastly would eotab or versatile or one of our other liine experts explain the difference in the skill sets from right to left tackle. Not the footwork or the te help, but what skills does blocking the right de require that blocking the left de does not.

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I actually agree with you in terms of Wills. It's all about his skill set. I would not have agreed with Wirfs had he have been our selection.

Shifting positions is still a variable. But not one too great for a guy with Wills abilities.


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Figured, just there were jokes, so I thought I'd help clarify.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I actually agree with you in terms of Wills. It's all about his skill set. I would not have agreed with Wirfs had he have been our selection.

Shifting positions is still a variable. But not one too great for a guy with Wills abilities.
In watching one of the YouTube breakdowns, someone thought his first step on the slide step was too pronounced. I think another liked the big step. It got me thinking, he has no bad habits from the LT yet. He should be able to learn it right the first time.


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Hmmm....I wonder who that was.


Tackles are tackles.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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so lemme get this straight.

a random reddit user named “everyonelovesnudez” went on a local Seattle radio station, said the Seahawks are trading for Myles Garrett & now it’s spreading as if that’s believable?


Damon J Kecman

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I’m posting this as a preemptive strike against those rumors going around Twitter. They are actually trending.

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That's crazy.

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Just some interesting facts about Wills college career and the Browns.

Common knowledge that Wills has only played RT in high school and college. With 29 total starts in college, Wills played with LH QB Tagovailoa the majority of those games but also had 5 starts and 6 halves with the QB being RH in those 29 starts.

Questions have been posted as to who was the LT on the Tide when Wills played. In 2018 (Wills 1st year as a starter) the LT was JR Jonah Williams. Williams played two seasons at LT with RH Hurts as QB before playing the final season with LH Tagovailoa as the starter. In 2019, Williams was a 1st team All American who in turn was the 1st OL taken in the 2019 draft at #11 by the Cincinnati Bengals. Williams was injured in pre-season workouts and missed the entire 2019 NFL campaign. For 2020, the Bengals basically have two 1st Rd picks ready to hit the field in Burrows and Williams.

In 2019, the starting LT was Alex Leatherwood. Leatherwood would eventually skip the 2020 NFL draft to return to Alabama for his senior season. The interesting thing about Leatherwood is he was the backup to Jonah Williams at LT as a Freshman. Wills was the backup to Womack at RT as a Freshman the same year. In 2018, Leatherwood moved inside to starting RG to get playing time because Jonah Williams still was holding down the LT spot. Wills then got the RT nod due to Womack breaking his ankle during spring practice only to reinjure it during summer camp. Womack was never able to take back his position from Wills. In 2019, Leatherwood moved back to his normal LT position with Wills manning the RT spot.

As we know, the Browns then drafted Wills at #10 and plan to move him to the LT position. Interesting fact is that Wills will be playing twice this year against the LT teammate from Alabama Jonah Williams who was drafted #11 a year earlier. It will be fun to see which player actually lives up to the hype surrounding them for the NFL 2020 since they are both basically rookies heading into the 2020 campaign and in the same division.

Finally, Leatherwood enters his senior season as the Tides LT All American candidate. Early mocks have Leatherwood going in the top 10 of next years NFL Draft.

In fact, 2021 could be the year of the LT since 4 players who play LT in college are projected to go in the top 11: (3) Penei Sewell - Oregon, (6) Walker Little - Stanford, (10) Alex Leatherwood - Alabama and (11) Sam Cosmi - Texas.

Interesting that it could mean that Alabama could have 3 top 11 picks at LT in 3-years (even though Wills technically isn't a LT). That's quite a run.


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Tackles are tackles.
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LOL! Keep em coming. I enjoy the entertainment.

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