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Mississippi is the last state to have retained the Confederate battle emblem in its flag.

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves signed a bill into law Tuesday that will change the state flag by removing the Confederate battle emblem, first included 126 years ago.

Legislators fast-tracked the measure over the weekend, with both chambers voting to suspend the rules Saturday to allow for debate and a vote. It passed Sunday on a House vote of 91-23, which was quickly followed by a 37-14 Senate vote.

Reeves said just before signing the bill that he hoped Mississippians would put their divisions behind them to unite for a greater good.

"This is not a political moment to me but a solemn occasion to lead Mississippi's family to come together, to be reconciled and move on," Reeves said.

The governor also said he understood the fear of many that the change could begin a chain of events that could lead to the erasure of the state's complicated history. While Reeves said he stands against monuments' being taken down, he said he did support a new flag.

"There is a difference between a monument and flags," Reeves said. "A monument acknowledges and honors our past. A flag is a symbol of our present, of our people and of our future. For those reasons, we need a new symbol."

The bill calls for a commission to lead a flag redesign that eliminates the Confederate symbol but keeps the slogan "In God We Trust." A redesign approved by the commission would be placed on the November ballot.

If voters reject the new design, the commission would try again for a new flag that would be presented to the Legislature during the 2021 session.

he current flag, featuring blue, white and red stripes with the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia in the corner, was adopted in February 1894, according to the Mississippi Historical Society.

Other attempts to change the flag have fallen short over the years, including a 2001 public referendum in which 64 percent voted against a redesign.

Reeves said Tuesday that he still believed residents "eventually" would have voted for a new flag but that he did not think the state could handle a contentious political battle amid a pandemic and other turbulent issues arising in 2020.

"Our economy is on the edge of a cliff," Reeves said. "Many lives depend on us cooperating and being careful to protect one another. I concluded our state has too much adversity to survive a bitter fight of brother against brother."

Mississippi had been under growing pressure, some of it from the NCAA and the Southeastern Conference, which warned this month that collegiate championship games could be barred in the state if the flag were not changed.

After the legislative votes Sunday, NCAA Commissioner Mark Emmert said in a statement that it was past time to change the flag, which "has too long served as a symbol of oppression, racism and injustice."

Mississippi's decision to change the flag after more than a century comes during a new reckoning on racial inequality in America. In the weeks since the May 25 death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody, protesters across the country have demanded systemic changes in policing while seeking to remove symbols of oppression.

Among the structures that have been targeted are statues of Confederate President Jefferson Davis in Virginia, President Andrew Jackson in Washington, D.C., and Juan de Oñate, a conquistador, in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mis...ggS9WDISd06b-5c

Another loss for trump and his supporters.

Confederate monuments removed in Richmond

RICHMOND, Va. -- Work crews are removing the Stonewall Jackson monument in Richmond Wednesday afternoon on the orders of Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney. Hundreds of people have gathered to witness its removal, CBS 6 reporter Brendan King said.

In a statement, Mayor Stoney said he was using his emergency powers to order the immediate removal of "multiple monuments in the city, including Confederate statues."

“As the COVID-19 pandemic continues to surge, and protesters attempt to take down Confederate statues themselves or confront others who are doing so, the risk grows for serious illness, injury, or death,” Mayor Stoney said in a statement. “We have an urgent need to protect the public.”

The mayor also cited the city's need to heal as it grapples with its Confederate legacy.

The removal comes less than two hours after Richmond City Council put off a vote to remove Confederate monuments from Monument Avenue.

In that meeting, Stoney introduced a resolution calling for the immediate removal of Confederate statues in Richmond.

A vote was to be taken Thursday.

Stoney argued that since Richmond was under a state of emergency and he is in control of emergency management, he had the right to remove the statues citing concerns over public safety. It appears Stoney is confident in that legal interpretation.

"It's history. It's history being made. That's why I'm out here. And so people are going to get upset about the process. I think it's the right thing to do, at the right time. I could say it's 130 years, too late, but in light of all the protesting and everything that's going on, I know a lot of people in Richmond want to get to our new norm. So I'm ready," Richmond City Councilman Mike Jones said.

Jones has been outspoken in his support for the removal of the monuments. He said he first called for the removal following the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/crews-appear-ready-to-remove-confederate-monuments-in-richmond

Sad that it took football to get this done.

So a republican gonvernor, and Republican majority legislature removing the democrat battle flag is a loss for Trump?

There's that leap to pronounce guilt again.

Sure it is.

Trump just signed an executive order that gives a longer prison sentence for tearing down a confederate monument than the average time a rapist receives.

He claims he will veto a defense bill that has bipartisan support only because it includes changing the names of bases named after confederate generals. Obviously catering to the racist element.

Not every Republican politician is a knuckle dragger like Trump is. Maybe it's time you figured out a lot of Republicans don't even like Trump.

I keep seeing this, but which side is against removing the flag? It's not the Democrats. It's common knowledge that the parties have "switched" a lot of views and ideologies over the years.

During the Civil War, Democrats were "conservatives" and were a big percentage of the south. The Republicans were the "progressives" and were a higher percentage in the North.

I grew tired of pointing this out years ago.

It's a lazy, disingenuous bad-faith argument that doesn't stand up to even a scintilla of intellectual/scholastic rigor.

So over it.
Thanks for taking over. I'm old, and don't feel like slamdancing about this any more.

#fakehistory
#uncommonknowledge4some

Roll reversal.. The Dem party today is more like the Rep party of the civil war era.

Should we chip in and get you a Hurrycane Clem?

Top US general slams Confederacy as 'an act of treason' and says the country needs to take 'hard look' at bases honoring its leaders

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-us-general-slams-confederacy-194342127.html

US Army Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, discussed Thursday the possibility of renaming the 10 US Army bases named after Confederate leaders, such as Fort Pickett and Fort Hood. He appeared to express support for renaming the bases but said any plan for change would require the utmost care to prevent political consequences.

"We've also got to take a hard look at the symbology, the symbols, things like the Confederate flags and statues and bases," Milley said during a House Armed Service Committee hearing, adding that he ordered a commission for the military to explore the possibility.

Milley estimated minorities make up 43% of the US military and that at least 20% of soldiers in the Army are African American.

"For those young soldiers that go on to a base, Fort Hood or Fort Bragg or wherever, named after a Confederate general, they can be reminded that that general fought for an institution of slavery that may have enslaved one of their ancestors," Milley said.

He said that when he was a young officer at Fort Bragg, he had a staff sergeant tell him "he went to work every day at a base that represented a guy who enslaved his grandparents."

Milley called the Confederacy "an act of rebellion," adding it "was an act of treason at the time against the Union, against the Stars and Stripes, against the US Constitution."

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so proud of the military i served in. they know exactly whats up. screw the confederacy, the statues, the names, and anybody who supports those traitors.

Here in Tennessee they're still fighting to keep the bust of Nathan Bedford Forest, once the Grand Wizard of the KKK in the state Capital building. The tide may finally be turning but there's still a ways to go.

Capitol Commission approves moving Nathan Bedford Forrest bust to Tennessee State Museum

Tennessee's State Capitol Commission on Thursday voted to remove a bust of Confederate Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, a significant step in a decades-long fight over the controversial fixture that has remained outside the House and Senate chambers.

And despite initially intending only to vote on the removal of Forrest's bust, the commission ultimately voted in support of removing busts of U.S. Admiral David Farragut, a leader in the Union Navy during the Civil War, and U.S. Admiral Albert Gleaves, who served during the Spanish-American War and World War I. Busts of the two admirals are also currently featured in the Capitol.

The commission met at the request of Gov. Bill Lee and voted in favor of a modified proposal from what he had announced the day before: petition the Tennessee Historical Commission for a waiver to relocate the Forrest bust to the Tennessee State Museum.

They voted 9-2 to do so, a much different outcome from the commission's vote three years ago on removing the Forrest bust. Protesters crowded in the lobby erupted in cheers at the completion of the meeting.

In a statement after the vote, Lee commended the commission for "arriving at a thoughtful resolution."

"Scripture implores us to live in peaceful unity and I believe today’s actions reflect this and our commitment to remembering all parts of our past," Lee said.

State Comptroller Justin Wilson, an ex-officio member of the commission, made the move to include the relocation of Farragut and Gleaves, in addition to Forrest.

Per Wilson's amendment, the three busts are to be relocated to the state museum to be part of an exhibit "honoring Tennessee military heroes," language that some members of the commission, specifically Nashville Criminal Court Clerk Howard Gentry, said they took issue with.

While Lee came in person to address the commission at the state's Tennessee Tower office building, he let comments he made at his briefing Wednesday speak for themselves. Instead, he thanked members for "doing the due diligence and wrestling through the process" of coming to a decision on the matter.

The governor in recent months has maneuvered outside of public view to facilitate the removal of the bust, which was installed in 1978. While former Gov. Bill Haslam, a fellow Republican, came out in favor of removal during his time in office, the State Capitol Commission in 2017 failed to approve removal.

But this time around, ex-officio members who had voted against removal in 2017, including Secretary of State Tre Hargett, Treasurer David Lillard and Wilson, voted in favor of relocating the bust.

Each of the governor's three commissioners serving as ex-officio members of the committee also voted in favor of removal, as did each of Lee's citizen appointees.

Sen. Jack Johnson, R-Franklin, and Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, were the only votes against removal. Johnson said his vote "represents the will of the Senate," citing concern over the widespread removal of statues recently.

Johnson, who was on the commission in 2017 and also voted against removal at the time, said Thursday he privately polled Senate members. A total of 19 were against removal of the bust and 14 were for it, he said. Lt. Gov. Randy McNally, R-Oak Ridge, has remained firmly against removing the bust from the Capitol.

Hill said he, too, was representing his chamber's preference with his vote.

A commission position remained unfilled Thursday, an ex-officio seat previously occupied by the late Reavis Mitchell, chairman of the Tennessee Historical Commission, who died last month. His replacement will be named Friday at a separate THC meeting.
Commissioners, secretary of state say it's time for removal

Capitol Commission chairman Butch Eley, who is also the commissioner of the state's Department of Finance and Administration, recalled growing up in Cheatham County in the 1960s.

The county integrated the year he began school.

"That experience made me certainly acutely aware that the unspoken rules legally kept us together, but practically kept us apart," Eley said. "It's clear to me, also, that this bust is a stark reminder of the painful ideology and way of life that has caused tremendous anguish and distress on many African Americans."

Members of the commission discussed receiving thousands of emails about the issue, and some said they carefully reviewed many of them.

General Services Commissioner Christi Branscom, another Capitol Commission ex-officio member, was among those who spoke.

"Displaying his bust in the Capitol suggests to all visitors that he represents the values of our state, and that his life is worthy of emulation," she said. "It is not."

Department of Environment and Conservation Commissioner David Salyers noted ahead of the vote that relocating the bust to the museum "will not delete history or erase history."

Hargett said he believed that after the Forrest bust is removed, one of the state's accomplished and historic women should be featured, since none of the Capitol busts portray females.

The matter of the Forrest, Farragut and Gleaves busts will now be taken up by the Tennessee Historical Commission, though likely not until its October meeting. From there, that panel will have to finalize its vote at a second meeting. The THC typically holds meetings in February, June and October.

A two-thirds vote of the 20-member historical commission is required to move the busts, meaning Lee will likely have to continue working behind the scenes in order to secure final passage.

Democrats, Republicans testify before commission about bust

The Capitol Commission heard lengthy testimony from several lawmakers before taking a vote.

"The world will not end if we remove the Nathan Bedford Forrest bust out of the state Capitol of Tennessee," said Rep. Harold Love, D-Nashville. "The world will not end. the mountains will not fall into the sea and the rivers will not dry up."

After the meeting, Love celebrated the vote, noting that the commission had more Black representation on it than it did in 2017, given Lee's appointment of two additional African American members to the commission.

Sen. Brenda Gilmore, D-Nashville — like Love, a fellow member of the Black legislative caucus — said her eyes tear up when she exits the elevator in the Capitol to immediately face the Forrest bust.

"I can hear the wails and the cries of over 200 surrendered soldiers," Gilmore said, referencing the battle Forrest led at Fort Pillow. "Soldiers that had surrendered and were still slaughtered by his command. Surely an unnecessary killing."

At Fort Pillow in West Tennessee, Confederate troops under Forrest's command killed an estimated 200 to 300 surrendered Union troops, most of whom were Black.

In addition to his role as a cavalry commander, Forrest was a slave trader before the Civil War and an early leader in the Ku Klux Klan.

"I can hear the mothers and the crying children, and feel their fear as the Ku Klux Klan terrorized them and burned their homes for no other reason than they were Black," Gilmore said.

As a couple dozen protesters crowded into the lobby of the Tennessee Tower, four Democratic legislators came to speak in favor of removal and two Republicans spoke — one against, one neutral — before hearing from six members of the public who addressed the commission by video conference.

Members of the commission could at times hear shouts from protesters, who were watching by web stream and had not been permitted to enter the meeting due to limits on room capacity.

Sen. Joey Hensley, R-Hohenwald, spoke against removal, arguing in part that there were a large number of African Americans who attended Forrest's funeral.

While Rep. Mike Sparks, R-Smyrna, also made a similar argument about funeral attendance, he clarified after his lengthy remarks that he did not have a firm position on whether the bust should be relocated to the museum, but rather wanted more resources devoted to telling the story of Sampson Keeble, the state's first Black lawmaker.

Hensley also defended Forrest by asserting he was "in the Ku Klux Klan, but he was not a grand wizard," despite many historians believing he held that position. Forrest was not, however, the founder of the KKK.

Multiple historians provided testimony, including Timothy L. Wesley, an associate professor of Civil War-era history at Austin Peay State University, and Learotha Williams, an associate professor of African-American and public history at Tennessee State University.

Both advocated for removal of the bust.

A single member of the public, attorney Doug Jones, who represents the Sons of Confederate Veterans, spoke against removal.
Legislature in 2016 made it more difficult to remove bust

Installation of the Forrest bust was spearheaded by the late Sen. Douglas Henry, a Democrat from Nashville. The General Assembly in 1973 had approved a resolution ordering that a bust of Forrest be created for the Capitol.

It was sculpted by Loura Jane Herndon Baxendale, who was married to a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Two years after it was installed, in 1980, the Tennessee chapter of the Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan gathered in front of the bust to hold a news conference to talk about their ongoing training efforts to prepare for a potential "race war," according to Tennessean archives.

In 2016, the legislature approved a law that requires anyone interested in renaming, removing or relocating any statues, monuments and other memorials on publicly owned land to receive a two-thirds majority vote from the Tennessee Historical Commission.

About the busts

Nathan Bedford Forrest: Forrest, from Memphis, was a slave trader before the Civil War. During the war, he became a famed Confederate cavalry commander. He commanded troops at the battle of Fort Pillow, where hundreds of Union soldiers died, many of them Black troops who had surrendered. After the war, he became an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan. He died in 1877.

David Farragut: Born James Glasgow Farragut, the East Tennessee native was one of the most famous U.S. naval commanders of all time. He stayed loyal to the Union during the Civil War. He became the first rear admiral, vice admiral and admiral in U.S. Navy history. He led forces in capturing New Orleans and Mobile Bay during the war. He died in 1870.

Albert Gleaves: Gleaves, born in Nashville, was a decorated U.S. Navy admiral and served in the Spanish-American War and during World War I. He received the Distinguished Service Award from both the navy and U.S. Army. He died in 1921 and is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/po...ust/5380243002/

So it's turning out to be sort of a strange deal. It's like, "Yeah, we'll get rid of the Grand Wizard but you have to remove actual American war generals too."

Like they still can't figure out that the confederate army were traitors.