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I think the Browns/Bengals deal has more to do with Ohio State fans and the fact that Burrow is there, much like the Browns being popular in Oklahoma after Baker.

Are they really calling him JoBu down there? Because if they are, its BS. JoBu is a Cleveland thing.

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Disclaimer: Simply because Ogunjobi scored better than Donald in Week One does not mean he is better. Or frankly, if the aggregate PFF score of Ogunjobi in 2020 leaned in his favor, it still wouldn't mean that either.

That said, Larry is good.

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If you are an insider as to the feelings of people from the Columbus area then I'll give your thoughts credit,
but my first reaction is I don't think you know what you are talking about.

So we have Ogunjobi, Garrett, Richardson, Vernon, Clayborne ... and our defense sucks still?

You're only as strong as your weakest link, and last week that was Thomas at CB.

It didn't/doesn't help that Lamar presents unique challenges to pass rushers.

I lived in Columbus and went to Ohio State. It's not a Pro "town." The Buckeyes are King.

Well I still think you are wrong, believe what you want.

The worst part of the game is I don't know what you could've possibly done differently. Even Bellichek would've had trouble winning a game with fumbles, missed xp, missed FG, injured LT, injured TE, 3 injured DBs, etc and so on.

Let alone the fact that we are playing against the best RB at QB in NFL history. Vick gave people fits and he wasn't even as fast as Jackson.

10 years-ish ago a running QB would get punished for holding the ball too long and taking too many big hits, but now you can't really touch the QBs unless they're really really dumb, and Jackson is good about launching an overthrown ball and letting his wide open WRs make plays on the ball. I really don't know how you beat them on D in the current NFL rules. Gotta beat them on O, and our O STUNK (yet again).

I am assuming you are going to continue to focus on OBJ and ignore the the breakdown that Burns did on Baker's reads?

It’s been one game where his QB was dreadful. OBJ is not the problem.

There was PD article yesterday by Labbe I think and he nailed it. What did we expect? This was a superbowl primed team coming off a 14-2 season with a coach and a system that's been there seemingly forever against a brand new system on a team with no existing culture to speak of, with very limited practice, no scrimmages, no preseason games, and a bunch of key injuries in critical positions. Lol, what really shocks me is everyone fully expecting the outcome, then being totally distraught at the outcome.

Coping skills people. This is going to be ugly for the first half of the season. It just is. I'm fully committed to being 1/2 committed to paying attention and 100% unemotional about this whole wagon ride until mid-October at the earliest. Don't watch the talking heads, don't listen to the sports radio guys. Just turn it off.

We have all recently been concentrating on Baker and OBJ, but most of the team was terrible.

I do think Stefanski and the coaching staff are getting a pass that they don't deserve. Frankly, that was one of the worst coaching games I have ever seen. I kept shaking my head at some of the things they were doing.

I agree. And we JUST had Hue Jackson then Freddie Kitchens, so to standout as worse than them is quite a feat.

So I'm not a shut the game off when we're getting blown out kinda guy, but I did yesterday, I was done. Not to mention I had some financial interest in some of the other games going on.

That was horrible. Maybe a little bit of a pass with a new coach who is trying to build something during this pandemic, but he wasn't the only coach in his debut, including Matt Rhule's team almost winning down in Carolina with that roster.

It was just at times, the offense didn't looked like it had any direction. Mayfield looked confused most of the day, and even when he made a good pass, his teammates would let him down.

Whether it's Mayfield or just the passing offense, that is holding everything with this team back.

You can't just rely on the run. This isn't the stone age of football. We also don't have a great defense that can allow us to be more run heavy.

Nick Chubb starts off the game with a great run. We get them here or there, but there are also times where they run for no gain, you get stuck with the dreaded 2nd and long. Numbers tell you it's not wise to run again that down, and that's the type of situations where Mayfield is failing.

It sickens me that he's on his 3rd HC in his 3rd year (I don't count interim guys otherwise you're talking 4th in 3 years) and I just hope he isn't ruined by that.

I'm sure the morons were out in full force on post game call-in shows and monday morning QB sessions calling for Stefanski's head.

The Browns never have any margin for error. They play in what has been (by far) the most consistently good division in football. Aside from us, the division boasts 2, and sometimes 3 really good teams every single year. You don't get any years where the division is sometimes just up for whoever feels like winning 8 or 9 games (hi AFC South) For as good as the NFC West looks right now it was putrid not that long ago. But the AFCN is ALWAYS good. When the Browns come out of this, they will be for real, because you can't fool anyone in our division, it's just the hard truth.

I am really interested to see how this team under Kevin Stefanski reacts after that loss. The season isn't decided by a game, but I really hope they make some kind of an adjustment with Baker Mayfield because that offense was not fun to watch.

I said in the months leading up to this season, that it was a big year for Baker Mayfield. Obviously a really good rookie year, and last year was just a total letdown. I hate to make this conversation after a week, but if we don't see improvements, the Browns will be in the market for a QB whether that be in FA or through the draft. Joe Burrow looks like he's gonna be pretty good, and so you can already see the Browns being up against it in this division. No margin for error.

Also: I hope someone covered Andrew Sendejo's eyes when they went over the game film, because he was horrible all day. As dumb as that fake punt looked, it may have actually worked if he didn't block like a quarterback when he engaged with his guy. Yikes.

I'll wait a couple more games until I start to get on Stefanski's case (not that it matters either way). We were doomed when we went down early and fell further behind. I want to give the rookie HC some more opportunities where the deck isn't so stacked against him.

I do think our D was terrible, but our O wasn't even bad. OL was playing good until the game got out of hand.Hunt was finding space, Chubb was also playing.

Problem with our O is in bad moments we just make things worst. Better to punt on 1st down, honestly. We need a composed QB to just calm things down and not make things worst.

Punting was very good, but D couldn't take advantage of it.

Browns bring back a guy who was VP of player personnel from 2016-2018 and make him their GM and expect different results. Guess what, they didn't win back then and they won't win now.

They also keep hiring guys with no head coaching experience. Here's an idea, HIRE A GUY THAT'S A PROVEN WINNING HEAD COACH! Why do we always have to hire trainees as our head coach?

The difference between us and successful franchises is they hire proven winners while we continue to hire rookies. It's like businesses that hire competent, experienced CEOs that have run profitable companies before and us that puts the head of the mail room in charge of the whole freaking company.

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A bright spot...

Proven head coach would probably bench or cut BM..

I love Big Larry, he brings it every single week.

Larry is in a contract year, correct? I’d expect him to play well

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Yes he is but I don’t think it makes a difference to him. He always works hard and has gotten better every year.

"Coaches film" is up on GamePass now.

That KhaDarel Hodge false start followed by OBJ facemask sequence was pretty brutal. Baker took a pretty nasty sack afterwards in the long down and distance situation (solid shot and torqued backwards awkwardly over bodies on the ground.) We were pretty in it until then. Things really snowballed from there, though. I wonder if Baker tweaked something in his back/obliques.

Another thing I noticed is that Calais Campbell is a bear on D. Even moreso for a shorter QB who needs to look for throwing lanes. His wingspan is ridiculous. It's also kind of wild how far he moved on that deflection that led to the INT. He started out lined up on the other side of the formation. Not too many 3-4 DEs/DTs running cross formation buzz zones.

I saw some people online say that Calais Campbell freelanced on that play because he knew he knew where the ball was going. He’s a great player.