DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus I served under six president — only one has failed to serve U.S. national security interests

In times like these where it is very obvious that Trump is a sloppy, sloppy man. I am reminded that he was right, it doesn't matter what he says or does. The left went to war on the culture of the majority so it doesn't matter how incompetent he is. They have since doubled down on the strategy and what should be a landslide victory is about to be a dogfight.

Do you mean the majority of the American voters or the majority of the electoral college. Obviously these are not the same thing.

How many millions of votes do you consider a landslide victory?

I mean the majority of the States, which is turn would be the college. When you are near constantly disregarding anyone not living in like 5 of the major cities as ignorant hicks, racists, bigots, deplorables etc. you get Trump. Obama won the hearts of middle America, the last two candidates have fallen victim to the ideology that they need to pander to these cities and their ideological counterparts.

It isn't a good strategy.

You mean like when Democrats selected the most conservative candidate from their primary process.

Oh I understand you like the idea of saying "the senate presents the majority" when clearly they don't. I mean land is people, right? It doesn't matter that the majority of people no longer have a say.

It sounds just like when the SCOTUS ruled that corporations are people too.

America isn't about people. It's about where people are located.

They use the excuse that doesn't matter because Biden is only a puppet. They'll throw any kind of BS against the wall hoping it sticks.

I think my point still stands. In fact I think that furthers my point. Biden has been a law and order, put them all in prisons democrat for like 40 years. Now he is trying his best to not sound completely hypocritical while pandering to said ideologues. It didn't work for Hillary and if Trump were not completely out of control on twitter and his personal attacks I don't think it's as close as it appears to be.

Biden has stated since May that he denounces the violence and criminal behavior at the protests.

You have owned up to the fact that he has always been law and order yet somehow have managed to twist his consistency into something different. That is comical. He is doing what he's always done and yet you try to make that a bad thing. Only in a Pocapornstar world would this be possible.

This is insane...
Just set Trump aside for a minute and look back on our past.
Are we seriously going to entertain the notion that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all served the U.S. national security interests all the time?

Should we start with the fact that the we helped fund and train the Mujahideen?

How about the Iran Contra Affair which was set up to directly subvert the will of Congress?

Did lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq serve our national security interest?

Does it include all the times when the U.S. funded and supported the allies of Al Queda and ISIS in order topple Middle East regimes?


I challenge anyone to say that they actually agree with Robert Cardillo that all of these other Presidents served the U.S. National Security interests.

So out of interest, what is your take on a career individual who has served our nation without ever having expressed a political view (that I know of) previously suddenly making this announcement? Is he part of the Deep State? Is he a never Trumper? ... you want to dismiss his opinion because you know better? .... What's your history and experience within serving the nation or being exposed to matters of National Security?

Reagan, Bush government officials endorse Trump, citing foreign policy accomplishments
List includes 70 senior government officials who worked with various Republican administrations

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reagan-...accomplishments

It's all coming together now.

I think he has no leg to stand on based on the lunacy of his argument. How can anybody look at the national security policy of those five administrations and conclude that they were A+ across the board? That assertion undermines the authors own credibility and I am not dismissing his opinion wholly, but I don't put much faith in it because he is undermining his own credibility by stating something that is outlandish.

I was not even considering his opinions on Trump because I was so surprised that anybody could hold his opinion on past administrations, that I had to say something about it. It really bothers me that someone would suggest in hindsight that Bush/Cheney was serving the U.S. National Security interests after the everything that happened with the WMDs, fighting two failed wars, failing to capture OBL in Afghanistan, running torture camps, being declared war criminals.

Maybe he is a never-Trumper type, I don't know. But even if he is, it doesn't make sense to tell fairy tails about past-administrations in order to criticize Trump. There are plenty of things to criticize Trump on without doing so.

What do you think?

I think that if the policies of those other administrations were questionable at times - and you call out instances where they were bad - yet the this individual feels the overall intent and plan was always with the USA's best interest based on what was known at the time ....... and that same individual says now, today, with the best insight & knowledge available (since he is an insider) that Trump's administration is different and Trump is not putting America first, I would put a lot of faith and stock in what he is saying. Bad decisions have been made with the best of intentions, and bad decisions have been made with selfish/personal intentions. I think the intent and what various POTUS priorities were/are is the key, not whether ultimately if we look back and say something was dumb/bad/foolish or ultimately came back to hurt the USA.

Your example of Bush/Cheney distorting the intel/evidence to support action against Iraq is probably the best example you came up with - there were some very poor decisions made during that time.

I don't view the upper leadership of our national security and foreign policy of being deserving of trust. Since the fall of the USSR, there has been too much money and favors being traded with foreign governments and our troops and tax payer money is used too often to intervene in the business of other countries. I can come up with a lot more examples of both betrayals of our trust and just plain incompetence. It is harder to think of clear instances when they have done right by the American people and the rank and file of the military.

Well in that case ... is Trump's administration even worse than all of them before and hence something was said? Or is this guy suddenly seeking his 15 minutes of fame or just a Trump hater. I'll take option 1.

Every time someone close to Trump comes out and tells us exactly how terrible Trump is they get the "oh they are just a hater / never Trumper" .... sorry but to me that's not a credible excuse to simply dismiss everything and everybody with. Just how I see it. Family members, long serving officials, Generals, staff, autobiographers.