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Not only have the commercials changed since Bernie, the game has too.

This reply is not intended to muddy your point...the Ravens have not yet extended Lamar either.

I think all parties involved are aware of the value of Baker.. I'm confident they'll find a way to keep him here for the long term

Baker will be here long term and is not going anywhere whether the deal is done now or 8 months from now.

As for MVP odds: Bet Baker (+4000) to win it and Browns (+1800) to win Super Bowl. The value will never be greater.

It'll be more difficult for Baker to win MVP because of our dominant running game.

Other good value: Browns to win AFCN (+175).

As far as 80s Browns games go, one of my most memorable as a kid was 10/29/89 vs the Oilers. Multiple flea flickers.

Old article of the game...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...0-1a875785e975/

Bah, +1800

Nice!

Florida fan , how would a guy who has never bet on anything place that bet on the browns winning the Super Bowl? Is it done locally or online? Seems like a good place to put a couple of hundred.

YOu can try online, but I've never really done online. Not sure I trust the payout process, but others may have more experience with it.

That bet was made in Vegas the Monday after Superbowl. I got Tampa last year at 60/1 the same way.

j/c

just a friendly reminder that for the first time in years we don't have to worry about drafting a QB in the first round of the draft

Who cares if he’s a system QB? As long as he plays well and we win games people can call him whatever they want.

As long as he plays well in our system, who cares?

I think q was making the point he is not a system QB.

And I agree with you

I agree. What system are people talking about?

Whatever system it is, it seems to be working for us.

J/C.

It's very interesting to see who comes up as a "System QB" when you google it.

Only thing I’m worried about with baker is the O line holding up.

If we got one or two of our skill set guys going down, baker can still get it done. But I have durability concerns with our O line.

How come? We had all manner of subs last season coming in and playing well, overall. "A guy named Blake" and such. Harris stepped in at guard (IIRC) and played well for a game until he didn't... I think that was the worst we saw out of our non-starter OL.

First time in years? We didn't worry about drafting a QB in the first round of the draft last year. Or the year before.

I’m hoping our rookie LT isn’t gonna have an ankle/foot problem. Teller also was in and out.

For the most part I think they’ll be healthy this season. But that’s the only unit that’s gonna keep baker from shining this season, IMO.

I see what you're saying. I'll give them a little longer before I think about attaching any sort of 'injury-prone' label on any of them. Wills and Teller just have small sample sizes, and Wills will have a proper NFL offseason under his belt at the start of next season. I think the way the backups responded last year is sufficient mitigation to any OL injury risks.

Agreed. Offense was "night and day" without Teller. Hopefully he stays healthy. Hopefully another year together makes our depth a little more plug-n-play.

I hope every year we add OL via the draft.

I agree with you and find the entire idea of "system QB" to be a dumb idea to begin with. Now don't get me wrong, there are some QB's whose talents are limited with which you have to mold everything you do around their strengths and weaknesses. So in those certain instances I can see using the term. But that's not the case here.

Baker in no way fits that description. His accuracy is in the top third in the league. He can throw short, intermediate or long. While he isn't fast on his feet, he can seem to find the right time to scramble and where to scramble when necessary.

Every QB coming from college has to adjust to the speed of the NFL game. Processing faster and having to learn to read defenses post snap is certainly not something all QB's can adapt to. Baker seems to be doing a fine job doing so.

If you want to see or discuss a team who had to totally revamp their entire system to adapt to the skills of their QB, look no further than Baltimore.

I don't think we need to this year since we're basically getting more than a couple of guys already that we didn't have for 2020, but I generally agree for both OLine and DLine. We *need* to continually have guys in the pipeline. At the very least, for the interior positions.

Agreed.

I'll add "game manager" to the silly-ness title of "system QB". There are a lot of "Game Managers"...essentially every QB who isn't significantly-better-than-average is a "Game Manager"...and many of the great ones manage one hell of a game (Tom Brady).

To your point, the only real "system QB" scheme that I can recollect is Baltimore right now...although the term certainly gets thrown around as if it's a regular thing.

I think you are both correct.

yep--- last year people were calling for him to be traded in the offseason

You can't predict injuries. All we can do is hope to have some depth along the line. We are pretty good there, but I wouldn't mind spending our 2nd or a 3rd on a O lineman.

I wanted to counter your "game manager" point, but

All I can really say, is I was listening to a draftnik yesterday who said to the gist of
(and I was )

He didn't like Kyle Trask QB Flordia because he didn't like, blank, blank and blank about Trask, except he loved;
except for his good Pocket Presence, accuracy, and ? (may have been decision making)

and I'm Lauging, losing it, What else do you want in a QB?
( and that's what game manager means to me.)

Every snap, a qb can make a bad decision, it's just possible, they can make a bad decision if they want to,
they can throw it away with an open man right in front of them,

they can get conservative on 4th and 4 in a pass, with 2 minutes to play.

Making the good decisions with, what the game gives you, that's being a game manager.

That's (I'm gonna say it), that's even part of why Ryan Tannehill is a better QB than RG3.

And sometimes, it's having that chip on their shoulder to "don't tick that QB off" or he'll get mad and throw 3 td's.

I think it depends on how they feel about Nick Harris, I think Nick Harris is that guy
Wyatt Teller may have already been that guy.

Browns had about 8 usable OL last year, which is 2 more than an avg. year, Conklin and Wills being the upgrades at OT, and Hubbard being the long time starter who still substitutes as well as a starter,
and Lamm who played well as a substitute with no dropoff through a limited time frame.

And Nick Harris filling in as a suitable backup.

Kendall Lamm is the only one who left, if the whole group is healthier than last year, there would be no expected drop off, even if they don't add anyone.

Honestly, I do not remember that.