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I don't even know half the words you're saying to me. I'm just going to sit back here and continue to laugh at you.

You're just a silly goose. I'd love to meet you in person some time to see if your online persona contrasts from in real life. Has anyone met RocketOptimist? What is he like?

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Five year old responses? I guess you forgot the time you typed out the Hitler salute on here.

You also follow a dude who is Qultist adjacent and shows antivax leanings.

Guessing Parler shutdown has you feeling salty and posting here, eh?


I got you all wound up, I love it.

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Great to see trolling is alive and well. Congrats, glad you have something in your life.


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You're in the same group with Rocket. Where are you located mgh888? Are you in Ohio? I want a meet and greet. I have some time free in the middle of the week if you'd like to do policy debate in person. I'm curious to see who you all are, I want to know!

Judging by your post numbers that far outweigh mine I've got plenty to do in my life. Maybe you should be asking yourself about that.

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Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
You're in the same group with Rocket. Where are you located mgh888? Are you in Ohio? I want a meet and greet. I have some time free in the middle of the week if you'd like to do policy debate in person. I'm curious to see who you all are, I want to know!

Judging by your post numbers that far outweigh mine I've got plenty to do in my life. Maybe you should be asking yourself about that.

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Let's do that. PM me.


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Now you are just being creepy.

There's several posters I'd like to meet in person and tip a beer with. Many that don't hold the same politics as me. Posters that do nothing but troll and laugh when they -mistakenly - think they got under someone's skin don't make that list.


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Seems Qanon lives rent free in your head. Quick get the tinfoil!


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This is something the uninformed continue to parrot. It's because they simply want to believe what they want to believe and have no interest in actually looking into anything or learning anything.

They are the type of people who would rather act like a chimpanzee at the zoo and fling feces than actually know what the hell is going on in our country.

For you see, QAnon is not something the liberals made up in their minds. It's not something that liberals actually have anything to do with.

Conspiracy Theory Trends: QAnon

The Institute for Strategic Dialogue has released Genesis of a Conspiracy Theory: Key Trends in QAnon Activity Since 2017, a report analyzing the QAnon conspiracy, including a rise in activity amid the coronavirus pandemic. According to the report, this conspiracy theory “claims that an elite group of child-trafficking paedophiles have been ruling the world for a number of decades and that President Trump has a secret plan in place to bring this group to justice.” As believers in this conspiracy have grown, so has the breadth of its content. Currently, the QAnon conspiracy is being tethered to other ideologies such as “anti-vaccine, anti-5G […], antisemitic and anti-migrant

As of 2019, the FBI has designated QAnon as a “domestic terror threat” because of its potential to incite extremist violence. In spite of this, several U.S. congressional candidates for the 2020 November election proclaim support for the QAnon conspiracy. Several key events from 2017 to 2020 have contributed to its spread, including Jeffrey Epstein’s arrest and death, and the coronavirus pandemic lockdowns. What started out as a primarily U.S. based conspiracy theory, has expanded to gain international recognition. Currently, QAnon followers seem to be propagating misinformation pertaining to both COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) and the George Floyd protests, all while membership across various digital platforms, such as Facebook, seem to be on the rise.

For more information, visit the HSDL Featured Topics on Domestic (U.S.) Terrorism and Social Media Use in Emergencies, or view other resources related to Conspiracy Theories and Disinformation and Propaganda. Coronavirus related resources may also be found in the COVID-19 Special Collection. Please note that an HSDL login is required to view some of these resources.

https://www.hsdl.org/c/conspiracy-theory-trends-qanon/

Exclusive: FBI document warns conspiracy theories are a new domestic terrorism threat

The FBI for the first time has identified fringe conspiracy theories as a domestic terrorist threat, according to a previously unpublicized document obtained by Yahoo News. (Read the document below.)

The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs.

The document specifically mentions QAnon, a shadowy network that believes in a deep state conspiracy against President Trump, and Pizzagate, the theory that a pedophile ring including Clinton associates was being run out of the basement of a Washington, D.C., pizza restaurant (which didn’t actually have a basement).

“The FBI assesses these conspiracy theories very likely will emerge, spread, and evolve in the modern information marketplace, occasionally driving both groups and individual extremists to carry out criminal or violent acts,” the document states. It also goes on to say the FBI believes conspiracy theory-driven extremists are likely to increase during the 2020 presidential election cycle.

The FBI said another factor driving the intensity of this threat is “the uncovering of real conspiracies or cover-ups involving illegal, harmful, or unconstitutional activities by government officials or leading political figures.” The FBI does not specify which political leaders or which cover-ups it was referring to.

President Trump is mentioned by name briefly in the latest FBI document, which notes that the origins of QAnon is the conspiratorial belief that “Q,” allegedly a government official, “posts classified information online to reveal a covert effort, led by President Trump, to dismantle a conspiracy involving ‘deep state’ actors and global elites allegedly engaged in an international child sex trafficking ring.”

This recent intelligence bulletin comes as the FBI is facing pressure to explain who it considers an extremist, and how the government prosecutes domestic terrorists. In recent weeks the FBI director has addressed domestic terrorism multiple times but did not publicly mention this new conspiracy theorist threat.

The FBI is already under fire for its approach to domestic extremism. In a contentious hearing last week before the Senate Judiciary Committee, FBI Director Christopher Wray faced criticism from Democrats who said the bureau was not focusing enough on white supremacist violence. “The term ‘white supremacist,’ ‘white nationalist’ is not included in your statement to the committee when you talk about threats to America,” Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said. “There is a reference to racism, which I think probably was meant to include that, but nothing more specific.”

Wray told lawmakers the FBI had done away with separate categories for black identity extremists and white supremacists, and said the bureau was instead now focusing on “racially motivated” violence. But he added, “I will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we've investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence.”

The FBI had faced mounting criticism for the term “black identity extremists,” after its use was revealed by Foreign Policy magazine in 2017. Critics pointed out that the term was an FBI invention based solely on race, since no group or even any specific individuals actually identify as black identity extremists.

In May, Michael C. McGarrity, the FBI’s assistant director of the counterterrorism division, told Congress the bureau now “classifies domestic terrorism threats into four main categories: racially motivated violent extremism, anti-government/anti-authority extremism, animal rights/environmental extremism, and abortion extremism,” a term the bureau uses to classify both pro-choice and anti-abortion extremists.

The new focus on conspiracy theorists appears to fall under the broader category of anti-government extremism. “This is the first FBI product examining the threat from conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists and provides a baseline for future intelligence products,” the document states.

The new category is different in that it focuses not on racial motivations, but on violence based specifically on beliefs that, in the words of the FBI document, “attempt to explain events or circumstances as the result of a group of actors working in secret to benefit themselves at the expense of others” and are “usually at odds with official or prevailing explanations of events.”

The FBI acknowledges conspiracy theory-driven violence is not new, but says it’s gotten worse with advances in technology combined with an increasingly partisan political landscape in the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election. “The advent of the Internet and social media has enabled promoters of conspiracy theories to produce and share greater volumes of material via online platforms that larger audiences of consumers can quickly and easily access,” the document says.

The bulletin says it is intended to provide guidance and “inform discussions within law enforcement as they relate to potentially harmful conspiracy theories and domestic extremism.”

The FBI Phoenix field office referred Yahoo News to the bureau’s national press office, which provided a written statement.

“While our standard practice is to not comment on specific intelligence products, the FBI routinely shares information with our law enforcement partners in order to assist in protecting the communities they serve,” the FBI said.

In its statement, the FBI also said it can “never initiate an investigation based solely on First Amendment protected activity. As with all of our investigations, the FBI can never monitor a website or a social media platform without probable cause.”

The Department of Homeland Security, which has also been involved in monitoring domestic extremism, did not return or acknowledge emails and phone requests for comment.

While not all conspiracy theories are deadly, those identified in the FBI’s 15-page report led to either attempted or successfully carried-out violent attacks. For example, the Pizzagate conspiracy led a 28-year-old man to invade a Washington, D.C., restaurant to rescue the children he believed were being kept there, and fire an assault-style weapon inside.

The FBI document also cites an unnamed California man who was arrested on Dec. 19, 2018, after being found with what appeared to be bomb-making materials in his car. The man allegedly was planning “blow up a satanic temple monument” in the Capitol rotunda in Springfield, Ill., to “make Americans aware of Pizzagate and the New World Order, who were dismantling society,” the document says.

Historian David Garrow, the author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning biography of Martin Luther King Jr. who has worked extensively with FBI archives, raised doubts to Yahoo News about the memo. He says the FBI’s default assumption is that violence is motivated by ideological beliefs rather than mental illness. “The guy who shot up the pizza place in D.C.: Do we think of him as a right-wing activist, or insane?” Garrow asked.

Garrow was similarly critical of the FBI’s use of the term “black identity extremists” and related attempts to ascribe incidents like the 2016 shooting of six police officers in Baton Rouge, La., to black radicalism. He said the shooter, Gavin Long, had a history of mental health problems. “The bureau’s presumption — the mindset — is to see ideological motives where most of the rest of us see individual nuttiness,” he said.

Identifying conspiracy theories as a threat could be a political lightning rod, since President Trump has been accused of promulgating some of them, with his frequent references to a deep state and his praise in 2015 for Alex Jones, who runs the conspiracy site InfoWars. While the FBI intelligence bulletin does not mention Jones or InfoWars by name, it does mention some of the conspiracy theories frequently associated with the far-right radio host, in particular the concept of the New World Order.

Jones claimed the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, in which 26 children were killed, was a hoax, a false flag operation intended as a pretext for the government to seize or outlaw firearms. The families of a number of victims have sued Jones for defamation, saying his conspiracy-mongering contributed to death threats and online abuse they have received.

While Trump has never endorsed Sandy Hook denialism, he was almost up until the 2016 election the most high-profile promoter of the birther conspiracy that claimed former President Barack Obama was not born in the United States. He later dropped his claim, and deflected criticism by pointing the finger at Hillary Clinton. He said her campaign had given birth to the conspiracy, and Trump “finished it.”

There is no evidence that Clinton started the birther conspiracy.

Joe Uscinski, an associate professor of political science at the University of Miami, whose work on conspiracy theories is cited in the intelligence bulletin, said there’s no data suggesting conspiracy theories are any more widespread now than in the past. “There is absolutely no evidence that people are more conspiratorial now,” says Uscinski, after Yahoo News described the bulletin to him. “They may be, but there is not strong evidence showing this.”

It’s not that people are becoming more conspiratorial, says Uscinski, but conspiracies are simply getting more media attention.

“We are looking back at the past with very rosy hindsight to forget our beliefs, pre-internet, in JFK [assassination] conspiracy theories and Red scares. My gosh, we have conspiracy theories about the king [of England] written into the Declaration of Independence,” he said, referencing claims that the king was planning to establish tyranny over the American colonies.

It’s not that conspiracy theorists are growing in number, Uscinski argues, but that media coverage of those conspiracies has grown. “For most of the last 50 years, 60 to 80 percent of the country believe in some form of JFK conspiracy theory,” he said. “They’re obviously not all extremist.”

Conspiracy theories, including Russia’s role in creating and promoting them, attracted widespread attention during the 2016 presidential election when they crossed over from Internet chat groups to mainstream news coverage. Yahoo News’s "Conspiracyland" podcast recently revealed that Russia’s foreign intelligence service was the origin of a hoax report that tied the murder of Seth Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer, to Hillary Clinton.

Washington police believe that Rich was killed in a botched robbery, and there is no proof that his murder had any political connections.

Among the violent conspiracy theories cited in the May FBI document is one involving a man who thought Transportation Security Administration agents were part of a New World Order. Another focused on the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), a government-funded facility in Alaska that has been linked to everything from death beams to mind control. The two men arrested in connection with HAARP were “stockpiling weapons, ammunition and other tactical gear in preparation to attack” the facility, believing it was being used “to control the weather and prevent humans from talking to God.”

Nate Snyder, who served as a Department of Homeland Security counterterrorism official during the Obama administration, said that the FBI appears to be applying the same radicalization analysis it employs against foreign terrorism, like the Islamic State group, which has recruited followers in the United States.

“The domestic violent extremists cited in the bulletin are using the same playbook that groups like ISIS and al-Qaida have used to inspire, recruit and carry out attacks,” said Snyder, after reviewing a copy of the bulletin provided by Yahoo News. “You put out a bulletin and say this is the content they’re looking at — and it’s some guy saying he’s a religious cleric or philosopher — and then you look at the content, videos on YouTube, etc., that they are pushing and show how people in the U.S. might be radicalized by that content.”

Though the FBI document focuses on ideological motivations, FBI Director Wray, in his testimony last week, asserted that the FBI is concerned only with violence, not people’s beliefs. The FBI doesn’t “investigate ideology, no matter how repugnant,” he told lawmakers. “We investigate violence. And any extremist ideology, when it turns to violence, we are all over it. ... In the first three quarters of this year, we've had more domestic terrorism arrests than the prior year, and it's about the same number of arrests as we have on the international terrorism side.”

Yet the proliferation of the extremist categories concerns Michael German, a former FBI agent and now a fellow with the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty & National Security program. “It’s part of the radicalization theory the FBI has promoted despite empirical studies that show it’s bogus,” he said.

German says this new category is a continuing part of FBI overreach. “They like the radicalization theory because it justifies mass surveillance,” he said. “If we know everyone who will do harm is coming from this particular community, mass surveillance is important. We keep broadening the number of communities we include in extremist categories.”

For Garrow, the historian, the FBI’s expansive definition has its roots in bureau paranoia that dates back decades. “I think it’s their starting point,” he said. “This goes all the way back to the Hoover era without question. They see ideology as a central motivating factor in human life, and they don’t see mental health issues as a major factor.”

Yet trying to label a specific belief system as prone to violence is problematic, he said.

“I don’t think most of us would do a good job in predicting what sort of wacky information could lead someone to violence, or not lead anyone to violence,” Garrow said. “Pizzagate would be a great example of that.”

While Trump may not be supportive of labeling a group like QAnon, which sees him as a hero, as extremist, he’s in favor of broadening the number of organizations that are labeled as violent extremists, at least on the left. On Saturday, President Trump tweeted that Antifa, a far-left movement opposed to what it considers fascism, should be labeled a terrorist organization.

Snyder, the former Homeland Security official, agrees that conspiracy theories may in fact inspire violence and be a threat, but questions what the government is going to do about it.

He notes that at the Department of Homeland Security, “nearly all, if not all, the intelligence analysts focusing on domestic extremist groups” were eliminated under the Trump administration. “There is no one there doing this,” he said.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

What you and a few other uninformed people on this forum are doing, is not attacking the things liberals are saying on this board. What you are doing is denying the very security experts in this nation. We have simply been telling you what they have found.

Christopher Ray was nominated by Trump. He is a Trump selection. He is the head of the FBI.

Chad Wolf is also a Trump nomination who runs Homeland security.

These are the security experts who according to you, "QAnon lives rent free in their minds".

In case you just can't wrap your mind around this, let me help you out here. They are not liberals.

You have decided that in some willful display of ignoring the very security experts in our country, to blame their findings on those of us who report what they have found to you, makes you and a few more of the Trumpians on this board appear blissfully ignorant to the realities going on in our nation.

You do know that staying uninformed and ignoring the very evidence of the Republican security experts in our nation isn't some gotchya moment towards liberals, right? I guess not.

Keep slinging that feces.


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As of 2019, the FBI has designated QAnon as a “domestic terror threat” because of its potential to incite extremist violence.


Apparently Qanon is living rent free in the FBI's head.


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Anyone who even gives a damn enough to follow what's going on is aware we will see more of this very soon. They're already trying to organize an uprising on Jan. 17th and anyone who believes we won't see something similar at the inauguration are being blissfully ignorant.

The question becomes will it purposefully be ignored like it was on the 6th in what could only be seen as enabling them to inflict as much chaos and division as possible, or will they be prepared to deal with it?

At least major social media sites have stopped in what many see as aiding and abetting them in making organizing such events easy and contributing to further insurrection.


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The 6th was a dress rehearsal, but I don't think we will see a repeat. Those rounded up have cried the blues and sobbed in front of the cult enough to give them pause. If not, now the military and law enforcement have been put in place to quell the insurrection.

And the deplatforming is making very hard for them to communicate enmasse. Breaking their comms, hunting them down and arresting them, having the world rightfully label them terrorist, etc. has had to have taken some steam out of this.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

FBI memo warns law enforcement across U.S. of possible armed protests at 50 state Capitols

The FBI also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington and stage an uprising if Congress removes Trump from office.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

Information to Eve. The heads of these security agencies are not liberals. Just a heads up.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Wow. I'm glad I don't over educate myself.......and I quit drinking grape soda.

Seriously, do people waste time on 'sympathies towards those who are convinced of a global satanic cannibal pesophile (another word I don't know).....wait, you meant pedophile....got it know - cabals drinking the blood of children?

There are people like that?


Unfortunately, there are. If memory serves me, I think it traces back to someone claiming they saw Hillary's hacked emails which had codes in it showing that all that kind of stuff is going on. It made more headlines when "Pizzagate" happened and some dude actually broke into a pizza shop's storage room with a gun, thinking that it was being used for child trafficking.

I might be off there.

I imagine that close to 100% of people who prescribe to QAnon are Trump supporters, but obviously a very small subset of that voting demographic, when you think of 74 million people.

The problem is that they are obviously very loud and obnoxious, like the shirtless dude that wore the animal fur. So they are going to capture headlines and associate the general Trump-voting populace with their extremism, which sucks, honestly, because it exaggerates the polarization.

The biggest issue from my end is that Trump had the opportunity to debunk and distance himself from this notion very early on, but refused to do so and sidestepped the issue when asked directly about it.

I contrast that with someone like McCain (who I liked) taking the microphone away from some lady who was pronouncing baseless claims about Obama being a Muslim socialist or something along that nature and immediately debunked it. In that role, I think it is imperative for politicians to debunk that kind of stuff early on, because we now see what happens to it when it gets legs and is allowed to walk.


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House Dems briefed on 3 ongoing plots.
On Morning Joe this morning, among the things the congressman were told was that they would be reimbursed if they went out and bought a bullet proof vest


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats...5b691806c4bf199

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Wow. I'm glad I don't over educate myself.......and I quit drinking grape soda.

Seriously, do people waste time on 'sympathies towards those who are convinced of a global satanic cannibal pesophile (another word I don't know).....wait, you meant pedophile....got it know - cabals drinking the blood of children?

There are people like that?

Didn’t I educated you on the use of the term drinking grape soda and the racist context? Maybe this post was in absence of malice but I think not.


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