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Just curious. After the attempted coup at our nation's Capital Building by domestic terrorists, does MAGA now stand for My Ass Got Arrested?

Jc

I dunno if there’s even real conservatism in this country anymore. It seems now it’s just straight up right wing. Far right nut bags.

At least how I understood it, your typical conservative would be some white guy who only cared about limited government, lower taxes and making a crap ton of money. Didn’t really care much for social issues, but also didn’t much care about progressive policies so much as it didn’t mess up the cash flow.

I love(d) those kinds of dudes. Chop it up about stocks, mutual funds, why it’s a waste of time to put money in the savings account because it doesn’t grow much compared to the market, etc.

I know maybe...3 of those kinds of conservatives? Atleast fiscally.

Now? It’s just straight up right wingers. Conspiracy nuts, fake religious Bible thumpers, the “patriots” and “I don’t recognize my country anymore” kinda people, which far too often was just code for “there’s too many minorities in the area”.

Conservatives actually cared about the constitution?

Now? It’s almost like God. Ya know, how they love to to claim they follow the constitution, right up until you ask them what it is and they can’t explain it.

The constitution is now more of a suggestion with right wingers. The constitution is whatever Trump tells them it is. Because somehow, the states that trump lost violates the constitution, but the ones he won upheld it.

Those battleground states that changed the voting rules due to COVID that Biden won? Well, they violated the constitution, even though the state constitutional rules were changed by republicans.

But Texas and Florida? The Republican stronghold that ALSO changed the voting rules during the pandemic that trump won? Lol, well, that was perfectly legal and he won those fair and square.

But if you listen to the right wingers, including my new favorite person the QAnon shaman, COVID was a global conspiracy using COVID as an excuse to oust trump and usher in a new world socialist order led by the radical left and their pedophile masters.

Real conservatives use to laugh at those dudes and call them white trash. Unfortunately, I don’t know any real conservatives anymore. They seem to have disappeared into the upper middle class suburbs.

If they have money - they apparently can buy a Pardon.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...usands-to-lobby

Democracy at it's finest.

If Trump Pardons any of these folks, IMO, it's a clear as day that Trump is their leader and is ultimately responsible for the actions on Jan 6...

That might be the end for just enough republican senators to push them over the edge when voting for conviction for trump.. It should also make it clear during a potential criminal charge against for crimes against the USA.

So for me, him giving even one of them a pardon is like a confession.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Hey man, do I need to prove that, or is that OK?

I think I resemble that version of conservativism, although fiscally I'm concerned with the perpetuated wealth gap and money grabbing I see from corporate welfare, which I can't help but constantly notice as a DoD employee.

I think the biggest problem is the volume of voices. It's hard to out-shout those who are more radicalized.

Volume could also mean the number of voices.

It could. That's not really germane to my point, though, that some of those Swish is referring to still exist.

I was hoping someone would post that article. The one part about the real estate agent plugging her business while crossing the threshold into the building... only to beg for a pardon was comedy gold. I hope each and every one of these morons gets taken to the woodshed.

Another thing that I find comical about all of this. More odd than comical and ironic would probably be the best description.

Many blame Trump for the insurrection at the Capital Building claiming that over the past five years Trump has advocated hate and violence. And that he purposefully riled these folks up, worked the crowd to a frenzy and sent them to the Capital. They claim that means the responsibility of what happened there falls directly on trump.

Now most every Republican politicians claims that's just nonsense. Suddenly they claim everyone is responsible for their own actions and it is the fault of those who stormed the Capital, not Trump. I'm sure you would get that same response from most Republicans on this board.

But do you know what most of the people that have been videoed storming the building are saying? "We were doing what Trump told us to do."

Words have consequences. That's why there is a crime called inciting a riot. That's why you can't yell fire in a theater or bomb on an airplane.

I'll let the legal experts sort out what this was. But it's not so hard to figure out. You're not going to get off the hook for yelling fire in a crowded theater by claiming it's your right to free speech. There's a big difference and anyone with a brain knows it. No matter what they say to the contrary.

Not sure you asked, but I'll give my opinion anyway.

We have laws against inciting riots, and we have laws against participating in them. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Trump incited, and his minions participated. It's tougher to prove the inciting, but get as many guilty verdicts as possible.

I agree with you. Each played their own role and as such should be held accountable for the role they played. I do however believe that inciting people to overthrow our election process which would be an attempt to install an illegitimate government would certainly rise to crimes above the level of inciting a riot.

I’ll give QAnon this: their dope with the names.

So disappointed in my fellow stoners. How do we not have a 420 shaman?

The QAnon shaman just rolls off the tongue so fluidly.

What are you talking about 420 shaman? We've had Dr. Feelgood since the 70s.

j/c...

I never expected to hear something that resembled anything close to the truth about what happened at the Capital building uttered from the lips of Mitch McConnell. This may be a beginning sign that the Republican party is trying to heavily distance itself from the Cult of Trump.

This is a good move, IMO (diverting resources to combat domestic terrorism).

I just wanted to post this before we get the right wing rantings from the usual suspects here. This was not something brought on by the "liberals". This isn't a case of, "The liberals are scared". So before they post such stupidity, I would like to point out that it was the Trump administrations appointees themselves that investigated and came to the conclusion that it was white supremacist groups are the biggest threat of terrorist acts and since 2018 have conducted more lethal attacks in the US than any other domestic extremist movement.

White supremacists remain deadliest US terror threat, Homeland Security report says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/...ment/index.html

I agree. I will qualify that he waited until the day before the guy leaves office, and after he was banned from Twitter...but, yeah, doing it at all is a step in the right direction.

It is as long as they enforce no matter the group.

I agree as long as we put the most effort on the biggest problem. As long as we understand who it is Trump's appointed head of Homeland Security has shown to be where the biggest problem is. As long as we stay aware of which wing of domestic terrorism it is that has inflicted the most deaths in America since 2018.

White supremacists remain deadliest US terror threat, Homeland Security report says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/...ment/index.html

If that is what they say, I have no real reason to not believe it at this point.

"The mob was fed lies," McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said on the Senate floor. "They were provoked by the President and other powerful people."

https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/573621992.html

Yeah - seems like Moscow Mitch wants to stick the dagger in.

I think that is exactly what this is..

Typically people who work in an administration, when that administration is done, walk into pretty cushy jobs either in media, lobbying, or some other area.. Trump folks are going to have a hard time finding a good gig to go to..

Many of those who are still in politics are doing what they can to create distance for themselves now and for their post-political future..

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I nominate Snoop Dog!

I think he's too busy selling home security systems right now.

And drinking his Corona.

I can hear the job interview now......

Interviewer; "I see there is a four year gap in your work history. You didn't happen to work for the Trump administration did you?"

Applicant; "Certainly not! I was in prison I swear!"

I didn't know where to post this story about Dominion taking Rudy to court and suing his ass.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...claims-n1255511

But it seem appropriate and fitting given Rudy works for Trump and Trump uses this sort of action to strong arm and intimidate people 'routinely' .