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He probably did. I have already said he was excellent at talent evaluation.

He just isn't GM material unless a GM does nothing but evaluate players. Fans around here probably should have learned that with Phil Savage.

Some GM's want the power and title, but they don't want the other parts of the job.

But that is another thread from days past. The Eagles, now the Lions have a very good evaluator in the house. We can leave it at that.

I wish him well.

Just admit it, Sashi gave you a Chubb.

Funny, yesterday I read where the Lions hired him... I'm confused

Eagles GM Howie Roseman mentioned analytics in a FO meeting and Dorsey ran for the hills.

Well, you are confused(a joke) but no, the Lions did hire him. That is why I mentioned them in my last post.

It was nearly a back to back thing, so it was easy to get the wires crossed.

I don't follow the NBA. What's a Sashi?

Wah.

If you love/d Freddie Kitchens, thank John Dorsey.

haha yeah, he made some great moves and some bad ones

Yo John Boy, get Hank some help at RG, and RT.

Not for nothing but:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/l...mes/6693966002/

A freep story title doesn't tell me anything.

Is this a link to the story of the Eagles hiring some guy as a head coach,

and the pundits on and on about working with wentz.

Oh my freaking Gosh!

The only Guy the Eagles need to hire, is anyone with the Guts! to Fire Wentz!

Wentz sucks! as a Qb, and he's not going to get better and anyone who can find him knows the difference between a lead and a hole in the ground.

-cough- kind of, lapsed into Nathan Arizona in the middle of that rant again.

And that was useful. Just more whining and name calling from the one who can't seem to control himself. Keep ranting. And don't forget to yell at the neighbor kids to stay off your lawn.

I've wasted more of my time on you than you deserve. That's why all you got yesterday was a "Wah". Because that's about all the time you're worth.

There you go again...

And yet, YOU are the one that stated he was "locked and loaded".

DHS may find that interesting?

Mmmmm hmmmm....



This is what you call an attack?



Now you're just making crap up. That's not an attack just in case you need someone to explain it to you. Which you obviously do.

I'm glad you think that Chubb, Baker and Hunt just appeared in a puff of smoke on the Browns.

You have a rough time comprehending English don't you? I simply said if yoy like these players, thank John Dorsey. John Dorsey WAS the GM who drafted them.

That has nothing to do with how you feel about John Dorsey. Just that you should be smart enough to give credit where credit is due. But you won't. You would rather make a federal issue over it, live in denial and blame someone else for your shortcomings.

I stated before that JD is a very good talent evaluator. Saying that, he did have a ton of draft capital and cap space when he took over, and he also had the final third of the previous season to evaluate the current Browns players. Soon after he made his famous "we need to get Hue some real players" comment. I think that was poor form even if it was true as that was a not a public that would . We obviously had a few good "real players", because some remain on the roster as some are pro bowlers.

He also had his share of "gut instinct" & evaluations of 2-5 round players who did not pan out, not that every draft executive doesn't.

Posters who love his performance here ironically compare him to past Browns' GMs to show his worth, which since posters consider past GMs nearly incompetent, thus it is not really a high bar for comparison.

Obviously the roster was stronger when he left as it was in KC, so two organizations have chosen to move on from him regardless of his talent evaluation abilities.

I also have never considered the GM just a talent evaluations position, I would guess that would be head of scouting or player acquisition etc.

The GM is also responsible for team culture, management organization, and cap among other things.

I also have never understood the posters who keep bringing up FO people who have Ivy League educations as some sort of handicap. I would guess intelligence would be a valuable asset to any organization .

Just my opinion, as it is every poster's but I would love to have the JD talent evaluation person and leave rest of his "traits" to another team but we all know that is impossible.

Dorsey had a LOT to do with the Browns becoming relevant again. Don't think so? Then let's cut every player he brought in or drafted. Starting with Baker and Chubb. Then we can get rid of Landry and Hunt. I could go on. Was he perfect? No. There is no GM that is perfect. But he did a pretty damned good job while he was here and we owe him a big thanks for helping us get back to being an actual football team again. The Chiefs owe him a big thank you too. He had a lot to do with the Chief's return to glory. I thought the Lions should have BEGGED him to become their GM. The Falcons too. There are a lot of teams that have lousy front offices that would greatly improve bringing in Dorsey. His mistake here in Cleveland was the coaching hire. It was his first. Ever. Hell, we don't even know if he might be good at it. Failing on your first try isn't always an indicator of inability at something. In hindsight, he should have listened to everyone else and hired Stefanski. If he had, he would still be the Browns GM right now. Still, we should all be very thankful he was our GM for those two years and did such a good job bringing in talent. Some seem to forget just how BAD our GM's have been before he came here. So THANK YOU Mr. Dorsey! I wish you much success wherever you end up.

I like the Berry/Stefanski combo much better than a Dorsey/Stefanski combo, so I am thankful that JD hired Freddie which proved his undoing.

J/C

Do you thank John Dorsey for the great picks he made, or do you thank John Dorsey for not screwing it up past the point of no return?

Baker was going to be the #1 pick regardless who had it.

Why do we overlook the Corbett pick? And if he ends up being terrific, why did he trade him away in his second year?

It was said Dorsey wanted Rashaad Penny, but the Seahawks took him before we had the chance.

If Chubb was such a great pick, why was he selected 35th and not 33rd?

He overpaid Landry. I get people want to dispute that because they like him.

He traded away a 1st, a starting guard and safety for OBJ and Vernon. How's that working out? Before anyone answers don't forget fans have always been critical of Vernon. And people think OBJ is the reason Baker had preformed poorly. Are you one of them?

He retained Hue. He hired Kitchens.

Imagine if he kept Zane Gonzalez and didn't have to draft Seibert (who is no longer with the team).

Yes, there were great moves by Dorsey and some very awful ones.

Had we not gotten rid of Dorsey when we did we could have become what the Texans are today.

Thank you Jimmy. Thank you Paul.

Hiring and wanting to keep Kitchens was his biggest downfall.

The marriage between Baker and our OL/RBs and Stefanski is the perfect combo