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Who would you rather have on the team...
OBJ or JJ Watt. Both. They don't play the same position, so it's not a problem.
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Who would you rather have on the team...
OBJ or JJ Watt. Both. They don't play the same position, so it's not a problem. Neither? $30 mil for two guys who have been injured a lot lately...one over 30 and the other coming off an ACL. I'd rather throw the DL $$$ at a younger guy - even if it means more $$$. We need a lot of help on the DL. We need a WR who can be the deep threat, take-the-lid-off guy. I prefer he be 6'2" or bigger. I'd be ok with this: Landry Higgins Peoples-Jones Hodge The take-the-top-off guy Quick, shifty little guy (I think OBJ will make this guy redundant.)
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They may not speak out against him in public, but then they wouldn't speak out about what a great team mate he is either. Which many of them have.
clearly, you don't follow him on Insta. His teammates are always chiming in, liking, etc. Which was exactly my point. They like him.
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We are better at WR with OBJ. Period.
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Who would you rather have on the team...
OBJ or JJ Watt. Both. They don't play the same position, so it's not a problem. Neither? $30 mil for two guys who have been injured a lot lately...one over 30 and the other coming off an ACL. I'd rather throw the DL $$$ at a younger guy - even if it means more $$$. We need a lot of help on the DL. We need a WR who can be the deep threat, take-the-lid-off guy. I prefer he be 6'2" or bigger. I'd be ok with this: Landry Higgins Peoples-Jones Hodge The take-the-top-off guy Quick, shifty little guy (I think OBJ will make this guy redundant.) This^ Under Freddie I was pretty critical of OBJ for his diva antics.. the shoes, visor, etc. Yes, hard worker and known to be a great teammate.. but even guys who work hard and are super friendly can be a disruption. Under Stefanski I thin OBJ took a step forward in his professional maturity but full disclosure once he got injured I too questioned whether or not his presence was holding the offense back (crediting that to being IMO more of a Baker trying to force it to him problem). At this juncture I don't think we need OBJ. This offense was potent without him and what it is lacking, I don't think OBJ is the answer to. But I don't think we should get rid of him via cutting or trade. I think he's still our top WR in terms of what he can do once he gets the ball in his hands. I love DPG and Higgins as much as the next Dawg but neither one of those guys is close to creating YAC like OBJ or even Jarvis. I do believe we need that tall, fast, big bodied, blow the lid off the defense type WR which IMO rounds out the room. Another reason I keep OBJ is that we're supposed to be playoff contenders now. He has serious post season experience. Most of our offense has 1 win and 1 loss. I think you have to value a guy who can play on the biggest stages when you play on the biggest stages.
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I don't think OBJ has as much playoff experience as you think. It looks like the Browns have more playoff experience with him here than the Giants did with him there. (Or he may have been hurt there, too...maybe??) Did some research: His first playoff experience was in the 2016 (played in Jan '17) postseason where the Giants were one and done (according to this article: link ) They didn't make the postseason in '17 or '18. That one year is the only time the Giants have been back since winning the 2011 Superbowl. OBJ was drafted in 2014. Guessing Malcolm Smith had the most playoff experience on the team last season, though he didn't have much competition. Though I might be getting distracted by his random Superbowl MVP. Maybe Hooper/Conklin/Tretter? ...Hunt? Edit: I actually think we should keep OBJ, though. Selling low doesn't really make sense. Hopefully with another year in the system we can get to the line faster and use more presnap motion to make it harder for opponents to neutralize/double him and help him get more free releases.
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Whatever trade value OBJ holds will surface after he returns to play. With the quality of receivers in this draft, I don't see an active trade market for OBJ, so the point is moot.
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Money, money, money.
How to spend it?
There is always a question age, performance, money and time.
A lot depends on where a team is competitively. You would like a roster of guys all under thirty. All under contract and all in their prime.
A GM has to understand balance and how to build.
We have a good team. We have many pieces in place. However, the bills will be coming due on major talent pieces.
Right now the offensive roster is capable of going all the way.
Defensively we have to invest. Watt is still a productive talent that would add to this team. He should have at least two years or more of high production especially with our team.
Odell when healthy remains a talent. He can help the Browns.
However, if it comes down to money and what we need most right now? I want to invest in defense. We need to upgrade the DL, linebackers, and DB's.
That is what will put us in position to win it all.
We can get a receiver from free agency or in a trade that will be good enough.
But as a team we have to be better on defense in a number of places.
If our defense would have been better we could have won the Super Bowl.
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When I think that if we could have just kept Chad Henne from running 14 yards, we could possibly be in the NFC championship game....
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When I think that if we could have just kept Chad Henne from running 14 yards, we could possibly be in the NFC championship game.... That’s crazy.
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When I think that if we could have just kept Chad Henne from running 14 yards, we could possibly be in the NFC championship game.... That’s crazy. Yes it is, since we are in the AFC. 
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You sound like me...I think  If I was doing it, I would build a D first.
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That person looks healthy.
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I don't think anyone has questioned his work ethic. It just sucks to see these rehab videos year after year.
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Nice! Looks like his straight-line strength and speed is coming on strong!!
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What's Von Miller doing there?
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What's Von Miller doing there? He's also rehabbing a torn tendon.
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you could see it, he was moving OBJ around and doing different things with him. I don't see any reason to believe he's going anywhere.. You'll never recoup value so may as well keep him. Its not ralph brown
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