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#1856814 - 04/07/21 07:10 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
In reply to both you and Oob..

"Serviceable" isn't exactly what I am talking about. Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like barely good.

I am not talking about that. No doubt you need a good back.

All I am saying is we drafted Chubb in the 2nd round. I am glad we have him. I am also pretty confident we can draft some player who could be a solid replacement if it came to that.

Let's hope it doesn't, but if it does, it is what it is. I wouldn't sell the farm simply to keep him.


When I look at what you are saying dispassionately I understand it. I'm not quite sure if I've arrived at the same conclusion on ease of replaceability quite yet. I think its safe to say we can count on Chubb to contribute 12-15 TDs in a season. I don't have the stats handy but I want to say most of his TD runs last year seemed like they were from further than 10 yrds out.

Could we in theory replace him with another back who could contribute that amount of scoring? Probably. It has;t been fully tested but I think we are developing an O Line / O scheme that could make any RB look good.

But what are the odds of finding another RB that is as much of a scoring threat from that far out? Actually, I'd go so far to say that Chubb is a home run hitter type of player. He's established himself as being able to score from anywhere on the field at any time.

If we lost Nick I don't think anyone would disagree that our Offense would be effected. However I do think we have a system whereby it would't collapse the offense either.
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#1856815 - 04/07/21 07:17 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: PrplPplEater]
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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
The years that the Vikings were contenders with AP, they would NOT have been contenders with anyone else at running back.

Thats as good an example as I can think of. Well, I didn't think of it but you know what I mean.
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#1856823 - 04/07/21 10:00 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: mgh888]
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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
The years that the Vikings were contenders with AP, they would NOT have been contenders with anyone else at running back.

Thats as good an example as I can think of. Well, I didn't think of it but you know what I mean.


Another thing to consider is that we are all focused on and expecting an improvement in the passing game in year 2 of this system. I don't see that it would be unreasonable (although hard to imagine) an improvement in the running game as well.
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#1856846 - 04/08/21 05:47 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: PrplPplEater]
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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
In theory, you are absolutely correct, but first there has to be a guy there when we pick, and we aren't picking at the top of the rounds any longer, so we'd have to grab any replacement RB in the 1st. There haven't been all that many backs in the last twenty years that are as good as he is, so the chances are pretty slim we could get someone that would have us just as happy.

That said, unless Chubb gets grievously injured or demands some extortionate contract when we start talks, then I feel that this is all moo; there's little chance that we let Chubb out of Cleveland.
And, honestly, I don't think Chubb ever wants to leave Cleveland, and I don't think his next contract will be an issue at all, especially with the new TV deal money kicking in after next year.


I don't know one way or the other about Chubbs wants and desires, but I agree, I doubt he leaves any time soon. With the expanded cap I wouldn't anticipate any real problem fitting him in on a 3 year deal. Maybe 4.
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#1856848 - 04/08/21 05:59 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: DevilDawg2847]
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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
In reply to both you and Oob..

"Serviceable" isn't exactly what I am talking about. Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like barely good.

I am not talking about that. No doubt you need a good back.

All I am saying is we drafted Chubb in the 2nd round. I am glad we have him. I am also pretty confident we can draft some player who could be a solid replacement if it came to that.

Let's hope it doesn't, but if it does, it is what it is. I wouldn't sell the farm simply to keep him.


When I look at what you are saying dispassionately I understand it. I'm not quite sure if I've arrived at the same conclusion on ease of replaceability quite yet. I think its safe to say we can count on Chubb to contribute 12-15 TDs in a season. I don't have the stats handy but I want to say most of his TD runs last year seemed like they were from further than 10 yrds out.

Could we in theory replace him with another back who could contribute that amount of scoring? Probably. It has;t been fully tested but I think we are developing an O Line / O scheme that could make any RB look good.

But what are the odds of finding another RB that is as much of a scoring threat from that far out? Actually, I'd go so far to say that Chubb is a home run hitter type of player. He's established himself as being able to score from anywhere on the field at any time.

If we lost Nick I don't think anyone would disagree that our Offense would be effected. However I do think we have a system whereby it would't collapse the offense either.





When it comes to scoring, it's hard to predict, but in my mind if he isn't scoring, somebody else probably is. No doubt he generates some scores on his own. The question is how many?

You mentioned 12-15 TD's as the number we can count on with Chubb in the backfield. That seems fair. Would we score fewer if he wasn't on the team? Maybe, but it wouldn't be 12-15 fewer. Maybe they wouldn't be scored the same way, but none the less a good number of them would be scored.

As you said, my passion for players isn't as high as some fans passion. That doesn't mean I don't like the guy or am not happy to have him, nor am suggesting we could bring back Travis Prentess to replace him.
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#1856862 - 04/08/21 08:16 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Ballpeen]
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Don't forget to factor in the Law of Unintended Consequences.
He may directly contribute to those 12-15 scores, but of the other scores that happen, how many of those, and how much of the flow of the offense in general, is influenced by his presence.

With a lesser back, or set of backs, that they don't have to stack the box to stop, defenses can play our passing game a LOT differently. As is the case with so much in football, the impact/effect of a player ripples proportionately beyond their individual position. The greater the ripple, the greater the player.
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#1856869 - 04/08/21 08:59 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: eotab]
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Originally Posted By: eotab
I have been a believer that the running game is vital for an NFL team while the experts were touting the running era was dead - meanwhile every NFL team was looking to establish a running game as a necessity for a passing game.

But the adage of "Dime a dozen" in regards to RB. I think is more so because there are so so many talented RBs coming out of college and they are more adept to the passing game as in running routes, blocking etc.

You still have to do your homework and pick the right guy. Look at Hunt, what was he a 3rd round pick? Even Chubb was a 2nd rounder.

I really really hope we can manage to keep Chubb...but after Zeke from the Cowboys got what he did I'm afraid it will take a lot of money to keep him here and in the scheme of things you don't want to break the bank on a RB or a WR for that matter.

jmho


Average RB's are truly a dime a dozen..Guys like Chubb and Hunt are not... I agree, I sure hope we find a way to keep them
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#1856877 - 04/08/21 09:33 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Swish]
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I was watching some of our games from last season and one of the announcers (can't remember which) pointed out the number of people in the box when Chubb was in the game, and if you watch any of our games you will see it, Now they also mentioned the defense plays less in the box for Hunt because of his receiving skills, although that backfires too smile
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#1856879 - 04/08/21 09:45 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Swish]
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We have first hand data of what it means when Chubb suited up or did not as from the Cowboy game until just before the playoffs, around half the year last year, Chubb was out.
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#1856881 - 04/08/21 09:50 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Damanshot]
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No matter the position there is talent and there is lesser talent.

Chubb is arguably the best runner in the NFL.

Then there is the team and how Chubb is viewed as a player and teammate.

From every corner of the Browns organization Chubb is respected.

So, when contracts come due. How does the management reward performance? It is one thing to be looking at a thirty year old producer and one who is 25/26.

IMO there is no doubt that Berry will sign Chubb. You reward players like him. You do that for them and as an example for others.

You want to attract free agents? Have a good reputation as an organization.

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#1856967 - 04/09/21 08:45 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Damanshot]
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Again I would love to keep Chubb.

But as far as running a football team if I had to choose spending a boat load of money on Chubb possibly I would look hard at a 3rd round pick like Elijah Mitchell from Louisiana. Kid can play football and catch the ball as well as run.
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#1856983 - 04/09/21 10:00 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: eotab]
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I'd say that Chubb is an absolute lock to get a 2nd contract.
I'd say that the approach of taking another back to begin replacing him will happen as we approach his 3rd contract. There is still a LOT of rubber on them tires.
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#1856998 - 04/09/21 12:49 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: PrplPplEater]
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And at that time I would most likely consider that a sound business decision. But not at this time.
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#1857006 - 04/09/21 04:15 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: PrplPplEater]
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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
I'd say that Chubb is an absolute lock to get a 2nd contract.
I'd say that the approach of taking another back to begin replacing him will happen as we approach his 3rd contract. There is still a LOT of rubber on them tires.


Absolutely lots of tread especially with Hunt sharing reps smile
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#1857007 - 04/09/21 04:42 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: PastorMarc]
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I saw what you are saying for both players, mores for Chubb. Amazing how he still balled out. This just makes me want to say it again that we should have some series script of plays where they are both out there in the same backfield or at least formations. Defensively, I think it would be a nightmarishly great challenge for an opposing DC to breakdown. It might be similar to Byner-Mack or Csonka-Kiick, but these guys may have more skills. Offense has to bust the D and force their adjustments. This set might overwhelm some folks we see; it would also be great for audibles. Not sure how great it might be in Red Zone )I really think simpler may be better in the hole) but even there it demands some defenders to adjust to potentially more things. Tie up their heads!
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#1857008 - 04/09/21 04:48 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Swish]
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NICK CHUBB CAREER STATS GA. 44 STARTS 37 ATT. 680 YDS. 3557 TD's 28 YPC 5.2 thumbsup
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#1857028 - 04/09/21 09:40 PM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Bard Dawg]
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Originally Posted By: Bard Dawg
I saw what you are saying for both players, mores for Chubb. Amazing how he still balled out. This just makes me want to say it again that we should have some series script of plays where they are both out there in the same backfield or at least formations. Defensively, I think it would be a nightmarishly great challenge for an opposing DC to breakdown. It might be similar to Byner-Mack or Csonka-Kiick, but these guys may have more skills. Offense has to bust the D and force their adjustments. This set might overwhelm some folks we see; it would also be great for audibles. Not sure how great it might be in Red Zone )I really think simpler may be better in the hole) but even there it demands some defenders to adjust to potentially more things. Tie up their heads!



Man, how awesome would it be to see an entire drive where its Chubb and Hunt in together and the entire series is just handing off to one or the other (or both!) and taking it the distance???? Talk about beating up a defense
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#1857045 - 04/10/21 08:12 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: Swish]
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For the record, I'm a "running backs can be found anywhere" kind of guy. Like, looking at the success of mid-to-late round running backs or clearly undervalued free agents.

With that said, I've grown attached to the idea of keeping Nick Chubb long term if he takes a reasonable deal. The talent is undeniable, and the impact he has on this team is consistent.

I'm looking forward to watching what he can do this season being what I'm thinking will be an improved aerial assault.

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#1857047 - 04/10/21 08:21 AM Re: Nick Chubb [Re: DevilDawg2847]
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My thoughts. Consider Hunt as a superslot or extra OL in a slot with Chubb. The O's guys should have some giddy options if they try to engineer mismatches. Some clever here could help our throwing as well. Aerial assault and dirt hurt. I would watch this all day long. I just don't feel the offense has brutalized people as much as I like, butmeh, that's just me. We can do more. brownie naughtydevil
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