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I have to make a statement about the "president is talking about health passports" point.

There is a false premise that health passports would be administered by the federal government. That's just not the case. It is done by the States and supported developed by business, and there has been no federal involvement other than coordination. I listened to a long interview with an IBM developer on Smerconish (XMSirius) the other day and it was pretty clear how it is being implemented.

Somehow, just like everything else we are getting the big government boogeyman drama. Now what most people and business want is for their lives to return to normal as quickly as possible if passports or vaccine cards help, than so be it.

There will always be a group who want to have their cake and eat it to. These are the challenged ones. Those who want herd immunity, but for them not to get the vaccine, and to be able to freely move around as if nothing happened. The "Don't Tread on Me" crowd firmly has its head stuck up its rear, and if they don't want the vaccine, they have better be prepared to live in isolation.

Me, I will be willing to show my vaccine card whenever required, and I really don't want to be around a non-vaccine person.

Its no different than getting a vaccine to be allowed entry into school and if you want to be part of society, be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

As long as you have a shot, you are in a database. Facts are facts, and there is no avoiding them.

great post

Vaccine passports (on their own dime)to enter the country legally? What's good for the American citizen is good for those that want to come here..and shots after crossing don't count.

But the anti vaccine crowd wants special treatment in NOT getting the shot AND still getting to return to normal. They expect those who do get the vaccine to just accept the exposure to them and the risk they present because of "mAh RiGhTs".

I think we might be saying the same thing, but I'll hit send on this post anyway just in case....

For me, the topic here is not a health emergency thing (we're not talking about temporary mask-wearing, or social distancing, etc... we're talking about afterwards mandating using a COVID passport). So from that angle, it's not so much the business' job to protect their customers as it is to allow the businesses to run themselves as they see fit. If they feel that their specific service warrants requiring their customers to be vaccinated, then that's their prerogative. What DeSantis is doing (had to double-check we've gotten to the point in the thread where the conversation starts to shift/pivot) is telling businesses that they can't do that, which is wrong. He's also preventing FL from issuing it (I assume is the poorly-sized vaccine card that everyone gets?), which is super-duper dumb.

I was simply trying to point out the possible motivation businesses may have for requiring such a vaccine card. I don't really care what their reasoning is. They have that right. And the amazing thing about it is, the same people that object to allowing business to make such a requirement are the very same people that claim those same businesses have the right to dictate whether their employees receive birth control on their healthcare plans, refuse service to other customers based on "their freedoms", and say businesses can conduct themselves as they so choose.

Right up until the moment it's something they don't like.

The only time I've actually called out the rights of business is when they down right discriminate on people who live a lifestyle that goes against their religious beliefs. I've always believed in the freedom of religion right up to the point you use your religion to discriminate against others.

Simple question, especially as someone already pointed out the blackmarket and fake cards.

Who at the business is going to verify the authenticity of the card?

Since it seems vaccines are only good about 6 months, do we have expiration dates for the cards?

Going to Publix will be like going to the club with a line and a muscle guy denying entrance because you didn't come with hot chicks.

Seems simpler to just maintain the whole "business can require masks" until they feel their regional area is relatively safe/vaccinated. It's easier to verify a mask on someone face to a small card that anyone can duplicate.

If you get the vaccine, why are you worried about exposure?

It would be up to the business as to who they designate to check the cards.

I've seen that after six months the vaccine is still effective. I haven't see that it's only good for six months.

My point isn't really concerning what's easier. I think you are correct that would be much easier to simply look for masks being worn. My point and my part of the discussion is about the rights of a business to require it.

As for the black market. You can get a drivers license, a passport and any drug you desire on the black market. Yet society still requires you to have a passport and a drivers license. I can't think of any state where cocaine or heroin is legal either.

I had no idea the lack of hot chicks killed over 550k Americans and counting.

Agree about fake drivers license and passports, although passports are harder now than before and are tracked as you travel abroad.

But a simple cardboard card is as simple as a home printer and any 15 year old. It doesn't require take some back alley transaction.

The six months thing I saw on the local news, which of course their headline was misleading, "Vaccine immunity lasts 6 months, report at 11".

I just looked online for info and it appears the real headline should have been "Vaccine still strong after 6 months".

“The good news is that in the 6-month status report from Pfizer, immunity stays very strong, and we anticipate that it will continue to stay strong,” said Bailey.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-from-covid-19-vaccination-last

True, it would certainly easier to reproduce a vaccine card. But I think the overriding point to me is we shouldn't expect a business, if they decide to make every attempt at being safe, to simply forego that attempt just because people cheat.

I mean we could use that same methodology for almost anything.

j/c...

You tell me how long the vaccine is good for and then I might accept the covid carrying lepers around me in public without their segregating scarlet letter. But the best way to put covid in the rearview mirror for good is to force vaccination by making the unvaccinated feel like pariahs. It's brilliant really.

If you can't show your vaccine passport YOU can't vote. I like the sound of that.

mandatory or banned....sounds like communism.

Everything looks like communism to you.

Some people were saying the same things during the Spanish flu epidemic. That killed a million people in our country. I guess now you will soon be calling many businesses communist. Some people just seem to lack an understanding of the consequences of a pandemic and would rather label common sense methods to help prevent the spread with an negative label to give it a political label rather than practice safe options for the betterment of their fellow citizens.

Then claim those who disagree are the communists when the patriotic thing to do is take all common sense measures to help protect the life of all Americans.

Select vaccinated fans will have increased access to NFL Draft festivities in Cleveland

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/20...aft-festivities

Ruh roh Ralph! It loks like the Browns are turning to communism!

So what you saying is, you're ok disenfranchising a large and disproportionate number of people of color, as long as you are also disenfranchising a large portion of conservatives as well? Am I reading that correctly?

Data on who is getting vaccinated

Black people have many justified reasons to distrust the government and health professionals, but it sounds like a lot of you more "liberal" folk are ok with denying them service and the right to vote...interesting.

Oh give it up. You’re one of the first to tell minority groups how wrong they are.

Oh give it up. Youre the first one to tell majority groups how wrong they are.

Here’s the thing. I can tell my group how to act because I’m a white dude.

I cannot tell a minority group how to act or behave because I am not part of that group.

Is it really that hard to comprehend? Then again, I’m talking to the lady who must be blind to the amount of Q stuff that was at the putsch on the 6th.

You cant tell anybody how to act because youre a white dude. Dont you listen to your own propaganda.

Its interesting to know that you believe in 12 year old boy conspiracy theories. How do you even have a job.

That is where you wimp out. You can tell anybody how to act when they aren't acting right.

Well you need to act better then Peen. You too Eve.

You're right Peen, that felt good.

You can keep playing identity politics, and I'll keep looking at people as individuals and not a part of a group, thanks.

Which women would that be?

that's totally illogical. We are all part of many groups, and we relate to those groups at different times for different reasons.

So unless you are part of the male, straight, over 50, Scottish heritage, married with kids, bald, Christian, gun owning, moderately conservative, 4 wheel drive vehicle owning, Browns loving, Univ of Maryland graduate, works in construction, lives in the south group, then you are not part of my group... and therefore, cannot tell me how to act.

If, on the other hand, you believe your whiteness singularly defines you... then I can't help you.

These are the same politicians who want to restrict your voting rights. No ID no vote. No vaccine no play. Stay home.

I think you are confused.

I think not. You can’t have it both ways. But the GQP always wants it that way.