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That post is priceless coming from you. You obviously have no CLUE how you constantly alienate, and actually make stuff up.

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There were witches in Salem, too. I will admit, they may not have known it.

It has the same factual basis.



Not quite my friend.

Witches aren't real. Communism is.


Haha, so is McCarthyism.


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Yes it was.

My fear is you folks are going to get what you are asking for, and you don't know what you are asking for.

You can give your rights away. You have to fight to get them back.

I'll leave it at that.


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I appreciate that notion, Peen, and I am with you in advocating for individual civil liberties envisioned by our founding fathers. I just think the focus on Communism is outdated and narrow.

I think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are all compromised in multiple forms of extreme governments, to include Communism, centralized socialism, fascism, unbridled capitalism, and even newer, unrecognized movements. The threat to democracies morphs over time.

I think the biggest threat to our rights currently is the lack of actual representation from politicians. It really is taxation without representation because we have so many idiots in Washington who are there to represent special interest groups. You would think people would be outraged, and see the problem, and stop rah-rahing for various politicians, but it just doesn't happen, and it's an awful problem from my lens.


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We agree.


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I don't feel you agree at all. According to what you've been saying over and over again, anyone who believes in making things better for all Americans is a communist. You've decided in your mind that anyone who disagrees with your politics is a communist. You've taken the most negative connotation one can think of and tried to label everyone on the other side with it. Either that or they just can't see it.

Which is exactly why I said the same thing could be said about racists. Anyone could say that anyone who disagrees with them about police violence, voting restrictions and a host of other racial issues are simply racists or "just can't see it".

But that would be just as wrong, just as much of a lie and creating a stereotype as you have done. There is no merit to what you've been saying and you just can't see it. Or you can see it and just don't care. I'm not sure which is worse.


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I don't feel you agree at all.


I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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I don't feel you agree at all.


I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.


Dad is that you?
See you can have opinions. I like vanilla ice cream over chocolate. My opinion is it’s better. Your opinion can be different.
You can’t have an opinion in certain situations. Math, as an example, doesn’t allow for opinions.
Can you understand that difference?
Another place you can’t have an opinion is what constitutes as communism. It has certain definitions that must be met. Medicare for all is not communism. Those that want it aren’t communist.
Your opinion matters not. It’s not fact based. Its your feelings.... and no one cares about your feelings.


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
I appreciate that notion, Peen, and I am with you in advocating for individual civil liberties envisioned by our founding fathers. I just think the focus on Communism is outdated and narrow.


I think part of the reason the communist label gets thrown around is because liberals think the solution to all of our problems is more government. What do you get when the government controls everything? Communism.



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I think the biggest threat to our rights currently is the lack of actual representation from politicians. It really is taxation without representation because we have so many idiots in Washington who are there to represent special interest groups. You would think people would be outraged, and see the problem, and stop rah-rahing for various politicians, but it just doesn't happen, and it's an awful problem from my lens.


I agree, thats why I stopped voting for the 2 major parties. Nothing will change until we stop electing these people.


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
I appreciate that notion, Peen, and I am with you in advocating for individual civil liberties envisioned by our founding fathers. I just think the focus on Communism is outdated and narrow.

I think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are all compromised in multiple forms of extreme governments, to include Communism, centralized socialism, fascism, unbridled capitalism, and even newer, unrecognized movements. The threat to democracies morphs over time.

I think the biggest threat to our rights currently is the lack of actual representation from politicians. It really is taxation without representation because we have so many idiots in Washington who are there to represent special interest groups. You would think people would be outraged, and see the problem, and stop rah-rahing for various politicians, but it just doesn't happen, and it's an awful problem from my lens.


If you're viewing the issue of Communism from the Rocky vs. Drago era, then yes, it is narrow and outdated.

But right now Marxist based racist ideology is being pushed wholesale in a number of gov't institutions. Critical race Theory and Equity policies simply change the argument from being based on class to being based on race. The other day I had to sit for a mandatory Equity training... the people literally said they are implementing race based policies within city gov't.

People argue that amassing wealth in the hands of a few is a problem. When you give key people the position and power to discriminate you are amassing power in tot he hands of a few which equals authoritarianism.


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I don't feel you agree at all.


I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.


Am I the only one surprised to see OCD and Pit actually admitting socialism and communism are extreme? Last I checked those guys were always extolling the virtues of both, even if they didn't mention it by name.


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I don't feel you agree at all.


I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.


Dad is that you?
See you can have opinions. I like vanilla ice cream over chocolate. My opinion is it’s better. Your opinion can be different.
You can’t have an opinion in certain situations. Math, as an example, doesn’t allow for opinions.
Can you understand that difference?
Another place you can’t have an opinion is what constitutes as communism. It has certain definitions that must be met. Medicare for all is not communism. Those that want it aren’t communist.
Your opinion matters not. It’s not fact based. Its your feelings.... and no one cares about your feelings.



No, not your dad, but it sounds like we think alike.

Like I said, all's good. Think what you want. We've all chosen our sides so there is no sense in pretending otherwise.


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I don’t have an issue with ‘choosing sides’. I have an issue with those willing to believe untruths or those perpetuating falsities. Yes you do think like my dad. Sadly. I’ve nearly walked away from our relationship over his views. Not because we differ but because his views are unfounded in facts and yet he digs his heals in. Making him sound like a lunatic.
My dad and I argued over his disgusting nonsense ‘opinion’ that Michelle Obama is a man. It’s disgusting. It’s based on no factual evidence. It’s not an opinion. It’s hateful, racially motivated, garbage rhetoric he learned from human trash like Rush Limbaugh.
I have no issues with differing opinions as long as the opinion is based in reality. And as long as the topic allows for opinions. I will not listen to nonsense ‘opinions’ such as the moon is made of cheese... or Michelle Obama is a man... or socialized medicine is communism.

You can be on your side. I can be on mine. Just make sure you’re basing your views... aka opinions... in reality.


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LOl....everybody knows that Michelle Obama is a tranny. You didn't know that? tongue

I don't go quite that fringe, so no need to worry. I haven't lost my mind yet.


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I know this sounds evil to you.

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Matthew 25:40-45
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40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


They thought things like this were so evil back in the times of Jesus he was sacrificed for it.

It's amazing how anything humanitarian for our own population is labeled as liberal or socialist.


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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847
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I don't feel you agree at all.


I don't care about your feelings.

I have my opinions and you have yours. All's good.


Am I the only one surprised to see OCD and Pit actually admitting socialism and communism are extreme? Last I checked those guys were always extolling the virtues of both, even if they didn't mention it by name.


I don't think I've ever pushed communism. I do support the european brand of socialism, but not the venezuelan type. I know that the two are hard to distinguish between if all you know is "socialism bad", but there is a huge difference. We've had many socialist programs in the US since it's founding. We proven time and again that some socialism with capitalism is a good thing, unlike Trumpian fascism-lite when compared to Nazi Fascism where both are bad with one being extremely atrocious.


Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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I do support the european brand of socialism, but not the venezuelan type. I know that the two are hard to distinguish between if all you know is "socialism bad", but there is a huge difference.


There's also the part that those European countries which are supposedly beacons of Democratic Socialism aren't actually socialist. They're free market economies with elaborate welfare programs. Talking about the merits of socialism today isn't as clearly defined as many would make it seem.
edit: reading this again, I might be making your argument for you.

I know I have to re-check the definitions of socialism and communism each time I make a post just to make sure my line of thinking isn't flawed from the start.

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Don't walk back your comments on this board. We are a double-down only kind of folk in these parts. wink


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Hahaha! I wasn't trying to walk anything back. Was just reminded of Bernie's pointing to certain European countries, and then the articles saying that they weren't actually Dem. Soc.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
I don’t have an issue with ‘choosing sides’. I have an issue with those willing to believe untruths or those perpetuating falsities. Yes you do think like my dad. Sadly. I’ve nearly walked away from our relationship over his views. Not because we differ but because his views are unfounded in facts and yet he digs his heals in. Making him sound like a lunatic.
My dad and I argued over his disgusting nonsense ‘opinion’ that Michelle Obama is a man. It’s disgusting. It’s based on no factual evidence. It’s not an opinion. It’s hateful, racially motivated, garbage rhetoric he learned from human trash like Rush Limbaugh.
I have no issues with differing opinions as long as the opinion is based in reality. And as long as the topic allows for opinions. I will not listen to nonsense ‘opinions’ such as the moon is made of cheese... or Michelle Obama is a man... or socialized medicine is communism.

You can be on your side. I can be on mine. Just make sure you’re basing your views... aka opinions... in reality.


Clearly we have the same father

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