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A lot of that has to do with cultivating a sense of the "D" word whispered above. If those players are willing to take fair but not maximum deals, it could work. Of course the PA will, as always, advise getting every possible $. In the end it comes down to; do they want to stay or chase the money?

AB and Paul (and whoever else) have done a great job. I’m interested to see how they handle the Baker, Chubb, Teller, Ward contracts soon.

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It'll go up once OBJ and/or Landry's contract is finally taken care of.

Not knocking what they've done so far, but their real test will be to keep the overall talent level up when they start having to pay going rates for a fQB and All-Pro feature back. I'm rooting for them, obviously.

Agreed on the fQB but I don't think it matters on the RB (1) because of the cost of the position relative to other positions, and (2) the value of the RB spot overall.

Possibly. We'll see how far Baker can continue to progress. I don't think he's at the point yet where if you take away Chubb and Hunt and replace with an average/mediocre and the offense would NOT grind to a halt.

And the offensive line has a lot to do with that.

There's that, but a new TV deal is hitting at just the perfect time for us in this regard. We're going to be Ok.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if these guys have theoretical numbers projected out four seasons from now with a 100 different scenarios planned in each one on how we'll approach free agency and various position groups.

Depo's job is building strategy... it's those kinds of plans. Those plans are built using everyone's favorite buzzword: analytics. We amass all the data we can, then we use that data to plug it into scenarios. Heck, with just the information freely available on the internet, you could build a NFL GM simulator that allows you to play out every possible scenario. Obviously, the further into the future you push with it the less accurate it becomes, but it wouldn't be an overly complicated system to build; the complicated part is gathering and connecting the data.

With data like that, you now have an idea of where you need to go with everything and you can picture how Move A impacts what other moves you need to make and what other types of players you need to bring in. Hell, in today's world, a coach could even sit with Berry and tell him exactly what sort of player he envisions needing, then Berry could use data to filter through a list of players whose qualities fit what we're looking for, then we filter that list until we find one that fits our needs AND fits the strategy.

I'm not saying that this is precisely what we're doing, but I am saying that everything exists right now for us to be doing something exactly like this; even publicly available to all of us, much less the proprietary information they have available to only them. At that point, you've figured out what you need to do, you've found a player that fits that, now it's just the human part of negotiating with them to get them to come here at a level that works for us.... but, you have a simulator that let's you see how it impacts things if you have to give up a bit more than you prefer.



Also, if the team DOESN'T have a system like this, they SHOULD. And, they can feel free to reach out and contact me about hiring me to build it for them, lol... I just need data sources.

Man I hope so but let's not get ahead of ourselves... we got a long way to go before considering ourselves a dynasty... we're not that far removed from the 0-16 season...

I 100% agree we are in the best position and have the best FO/coaching staff we've had since the return.... but let's not crown ourselves yet...

I will be curious what we do with Chubb. Will he stay and want to win here or will he chase money? I don't think we'll break the bank with Chubb. Or maybe we do but for a shorter term?

I'm one who says RB isn't a make or break position. With that said Chubb is really easy to root for and I'd prefer him to stay but I'm not going to be that upset when/if we part ways like I fear many fans will.

I don't look for Chubb to be an issue to re-sign and I think the Browns will make a fair offer to retain him. I love the guy but this is a business RB don't have long shelf life's and that should also be how the Browns make a deal to retain him I would think 3 year extension. In the 12-15 million per range perhaps guarantee the entire contract?

This roster is no joke and is stacked from top to bottom. I can't ever remember not sitting on the edge of my seat wondering what we would do if this guy or that guy got hurt. But with this squad I think we could sustain injury at any position and not lose a lot.

At this point me being early is likely true then again I feel very comfortable saying it. We are loaded with talent from top to bottom. I think we have the best roster in the NFL and I think we have a FO and coaching staff that is equally stacked.

Let's face it the stars have aligned and the ride is going to be incredible. Will have bad days for sure but we will win far and away more then I think any of us will allow ourselves to believe. This is a dream team, and a dynasty may be a strong term for a team that hasn't won on the big stage YET, but they are going to KS is a great coach and his staff has performed at a high level. I don't think that will change player development, buy in, no distractions are allowed to exist that aren't geared towards winning on Sunday. This is off the charts it's that good.

I would hire you, Purp! Analytics and great ideas. Just don't want you to blow up our cap with the hire! LOLetc.

Apparently, nobody has told Frank Gore

Hunt got 2 years $12 million, so I would think that it will take at least $6 million per, on average. I can see him winding up with 4 years and $45 million, with somewhere around $30 million guaranteed. We'll see.

I would love to see us lock him up for four years somewhere in that neighborhood. That contract would be very team friendly.

I don't think we'll see us sign him until maybe mid-season.

Spotrac, right now, is listing his market value at $12 million per year; expecting him to get a 4 year, $48 million deal. Basically, Derrick Henry and Dalvin Cook kinda money... and he deserve that.

Any notion of only $6 million per year can probably be set aside right now.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if we sign later this season to absorb the first year of signing bonus now, then have the deal go for another 5 years and allow us to really minimize the annual cap hit.

I agree with you that some people may be getting ahead of themselves here. But I think when you look at the situation you may see why.

One thing we all pretty much know is that you can't put yourself in cap hell and build a dynasty. You have to assemble a talented team in a manner by which you still have cap to roll over to the next season. That's much easier said than done.

Secondly, as we all had hoped, just as we will have rookie deals coming to fruition and will need a lot more cash, the new TV contract will be injected which will significantly increase the salary cap. This bodes well for us moving forward.

So to this point the foundation has been laid that is needed to build a dynasty. I do agree with you that doesn't mean it will happen, yet at the same time not many teams have been able to assemble this much talent and still be in this great of cap space.

But now comes the tricky part. You can't sign everyone you want to keep to FA contracts. Not everyone on your roster can make the big bucks. As such the Critical factor will be identifying and selecting the role players as the roster turns over. Just as your transmission is a major component in your car, if the U joints fail that prevents your transmission from doing its job. Such is an NFL team.

Those role players must fit your system. You must do a good job negotiating contracts and identifying and signing those role players. While we have a short window to see through as it pertains to this new FO, that window has a sunny view. To this point they seem to be doing a fine job at identifying, drafting and signing players that fit with what we wish to do within our system.

We have the brains in the building. We have everyone working in the same direction. We have every reason to be positive. That's no guarantee of success but it is a good indicator for reasons to see the possibility of a dynasty being built.

I think that Chubb, like Hunt, wants to be here though and that made a difference with what Hunt was willing to take. I'd like to have them both until their last NFL snaps if possible. I think we have the best tandem in football by far.

For everyone who is closely watching we are already seeing players sign with us for less money then they could get.

The reason for that is these players want to be a part of this, they see what we have, they see how they fit, and they to know this team could very well be the next NFL dynasty and who wouldn't want to be a part of that?

Will get a real good feel for how players feel when we resign our studs, and yes we have some real studs on this team. The players are clearly happy here and they either want to come here and play or they are willing to sign a team friendly contract to stay here. Cleveland is a desired landing spot, maybe the most desired landing spot at this point????

I think we all of us need to understand some players would rather take less and win more we saw that with JJ3 it was reported he was offered more but took less to be here. But will know even better when we re-sign, Chubb, Mayfield, Ward, Teller, etc. etc.

I say Dynasty because everything points to one.

For the fans who have followed the team closely through all these years of pain and suffering I believe you're ship has arrived going forward we will be one of the great teams of the next decade, I plan to enjoy every moment.

For me personally I have never dared dream of a dynasty I would settle for 1 Lombardi just one. At 61 and headed for 62 I have suffered a devastating back injury, I can hardly walk on top of all of that I was diagnosed with Cancer a month ago. The Dr. has said they will get rid of the cancer and maybe someday my nerves will regenerate so I can walk more normal.

For guys like me and really 1 of our number one fans Tabber we hang on and hope for a championship it's my dream to get one. If that happens I can leave this world happy.

But it's truly better then that we stand at the beginning of a great run like the Patriots have had for nearly 2 decades now IMHO.

Agree with all your post - and I am excited about a lot of positions - but secondary has had a mammoth transformation and has me the most excited as a collective . . . it's all theory at this point, paper tigers, but man - that's more talent in the secondary than we've had the last 20 years.

I think it might be more talent in a secondary than I've seen, ever, on any team - in theory. Six deep - three at CB, three at S - with starters that are all in the upper tier of the league, or projected to be there. A *lot* depends on how Greedy, Delpit, and Newsome pan out. Before their injuries last year, though, Delpit was having himself a camp, and I do recall reports being that Greedy was improving.

I mean, if Greedy/Newsome is our weak spot in the defense, that's not such a bad thing.

Good luck, BTTB, you’ll be okay becss as use it takes toughness to stick with the Browns.
And I agree: I’ll settle for just one title. When win a Super Bowl in the next couple years, I’ll GW like that New York Rangers fan, holding up a sign when they broke a long Stanley Cup drought:

https://www.nj.com/resizer/pz8t3YSegCIOX...07949-large.jpg

If you truly believe that this is all about Baker your wrong.

Oh and write you're own posts.

j/c...

NFL, players' union agree to set 2022 salary-cap ceiling at $208.2 million, source says

2:49 PM ET
Dan Graziano
ESPN Staff Writer

The NFL and the NFL Players Association have agreed to a salary-cap ceiling of $208.2 million per team for the 2022 season, a source told ESPN on Wednesday, as part of the league's continued effort to project the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on its short-term business.

That doesn't mean the 2022 salary cap will be $208.2 million -- just that that's the highest it can possibly be, according to the agreement the NFL's team owners approved Wednesday afternoon. It's still possible that the league's 2022 revenue projections and/or 2021 revenue shortfalls could result in a lower cap. But if the revenue-based 2022 calculations call for a cap higher than $208.2 million, then any excess revenue will be used to pay back the roughly $17 million in 2020 player benefits that were canceled as a result of the pandemic.

The 2021 salary cap is already set at $182.5 million per team, which is a significant COVID-related drop from the 2020 cap number of $198.2 million per team. The 2021 cap number is based on the league's projected revenue for the upcoming season and the revenue lost in 2020 due to the pandemic, which kept teams from filling up their stadiums. Before the pandemic, the cap had been growing reliably by about $10 million per year. Had that pace continued, the 2021 cap would have been about $208 million and the 2022 cap about $218 million. So even this high-end $208.2 million number in 2022 wouldn't mean cap growth has "caught up" to its pre-pandemic pace. But it would represent a roughly 14% increase from the 2021 cap and the highest one-year jump in the nearly 30-year history of the NFL salary cap.

At this point, the exact 2022 cap figure remains difficult to project. It's possible that the league's 2021 revenue projections end up being low, since they may not have factored in the possibility of full stadiums all year, and the league now says full stadiums are the expectation. Should 2021 revenues outpace projections, that difference would be added to the 2022 calculations and could result in the 2022 cap getting to or close to that $208.2 million ceiling.

Should the figure go beyond that, the extra money would be used to accelerate the timetable for paying back player benefits that were canceled last year. As part of the July 26, 2020, agreement between the league and the players on COVID-related amendments to the collective bargaining agreement, $17 million in 2020 player benefits were canceled, including the second career savings plan, severance pay, performance-based pay and others. The initial agreement said that those benefits would be repaid to players as a new benefit established after 2023 (when, it was assumed, there had been enough time for the league's economics to recover). The new agreement allows for the possibility of those benefits being repaid to the affected players as early as 2022.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3151...ion-sources-say

This is good.

Unless covid craziness comes roaring back, or Ozzy eats another bat, the league revenue should be WAY up and recovered this year, and we should end up pretty damn close to that $208M.