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My nightmare is that Jones slips down the the Steelers pick, and we have to deal with him crashing the edge for the next decade.
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My nightmare is that Jones slips down the the Steelers pick, and we have to deal with him crashing the edge for the next decade.
I actually DO want them to take him 
The two Steelers picks I moaned about the most over the years were Roethlisberger and Woodley and I was very happy when they drafted Hood, Mendenhall and that Texas WR in round 2 and DeCastro+Adams last draft
I'd like nothing more to have TRich run right at him play after play after play and when we have to pass to have him coming with that 4.9 speed off the edge and Thomas block him out of the way with his pinky finger...I hope the Steelers go Jones+Hunt
from walterfootball: http://walterfootball.com/proday.php#georgia
Georgia Pro Day Notes: Jarvis Jones did not have a good Pro Day. He ran a 4.92 and jumped poorly. His vertical and broad numbers were just about the same as 340-pound Kwame Geathers'. With this poor performance and the spinal stenosis issue lingering, Jones is expected to fall on Draft Day. I've had him going to the Steelers for a long time in my 2013 NFL Mock Draft.
Thanks god, that Toad did expect those numbers, so there's nothing to see here
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There has never been a kid I disagreed about talent wise so clearly. I hope the Ravens or the Steelers take him. It will end their run for good. I have the worst feeling about this kid. I want no part of him.
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Nothing personal but I am soooooooooooo glad your not going to be in the Browns war room ... this kid has been called the best player in this draft by many "Experts" ... 
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So has Jamarcus Russell...what's your point?
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3-4 Inside LB just doesn't have the Impact to utilize as a top 10 pick.
OLB is the key - Ansah Size n Speed is for controlling the EDGE n terrorizing the blind side of the QB. You tell me you want Simon from OSU in the mid to late rounds for an ILB fine with me. Ansah...how can you take him for the ILB...if for some reason he cannot become a factor on that Edge (I doubt it) then you "SETTLE" for maybe ILB. You don't plan on it from the get go.
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I don't see great pass rush ability with Ansah. However, maybe he can become our Rey Lewis on the inside.
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You can see whatever you want to see...I can guarantee you we pick Ansah...its for OLB not ILB. He was a terror at the Senior Bowl game. He's played 9 games before that...n you are going to Assess with definite assertion he don't have great pass rush ability? His first step is explosive n quick...he's coachable. His Bull Rush will be awesome. He'll be good.
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You can see whatever you want to see...I can guarantee you we pick Ansah...its for OLB not ILB. He was a terror at the Senior Bowl game. He's played 9 games before that...n you are going to Assess with definite assertion he don't have great pass rush ability? His first step is explosive n quick...he's coachable. His Bull Rush will be awesome. He'll be good.
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You got any proof on that Pastor? A pre draft rumor...put out by who? Steelers? So he would drop to them??? We would have heard some Proof of it being so by now. If the Age Rumor was put out...what is it based on? There has to be some proof for this rumor to be considered true. I see none.
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You got any proof on that Pastor? A pre draft rumor...put out by who? Steelers? So he would drop to them??? We would have heard some Proof of it being so by now. If the Age Rumor was put out...what is it based on? There has to be some proof for this rumor to be considered true. I see none.
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Nothing personal but I am soooooooooooo glad your not going to be in the Browns war room ... this kid has been called the best player in this draft by many "Experts" ...
I haven't missed on a defender in the draft since I was 12. I'll gladly take my chances on him haha. Suggs, DJ Williams, D Johnson, Ngata, Willis, Flowers(what a crap D draft), Mathews, Thomas, Miller/Watt(couldn't decide which would be better), Harrison Smith. So far so good. I'll stick with Mingo. I'll fall eventually but it won't be this year. I will admit I am taking a big risk though. Milliner is a slam dunk but everyone likes to tell me how bad Mingo is so I'll have fun if I succeed again.
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Man, according to this, Jones sure sucks, and I'd want no part of him. 
I wonder how Ansah did by this same criteria?
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Looks like Jamie Collins is the best on that list. Would look good in a Browns uni. I've liked him since I heard about him about mid-season. Watched tape of him and he has something that can't be taught. Amazing explosion. Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor like explosion. Would not be disappointed if he was our pick after a trade down. Would rather have him in the second but wouldn't be disgusted if he was our first rounder either.
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The QB pressures, sacks and tackles for loss are what makes Jones special. The guy spends more time in the pocket than Vick lol.
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The QB pressures, sacks and tackles for loss are what makes Jones special. The guy spends more time in the pocket than Vick lol.
I agree.
He stuffs the run effectively, and also pressures the crap out of opposing QBs. I have watched him make opposing Tackles look like they were stuck in mud trying to block him. I have seen him beat double teams to get to the QB. Frankly I don't see the negatives some here see in him.
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Man, according to this, Jones sure sucks, and I'd want no part of him.
I wonder how Ansah did by this same criteria?
Does this include playing with their hands down and or standing up? No, then it's as useless as Toad's "arguments"...wonder why those guys playing at the LOS have a much lower "rate" (of whatever they deem a possible tackle) than those standing up? and why those OLBs in a 3-4 have a better tackle rate than those in a 4-3? Totally different positions and game situations you're faced with....3-4 OLBs have either clear plays rushing from the edge or have nothing to do with the play (or get washed out of it, is there a % for that? Jones would score big too there )...then comes the 4-3 OLB who face more trash by playing more inside than 34 OLBs and haveing also more responsibilities...and the worst tackle % from DL...well, who would have thunk...those guys are there to slow down the ball carrier so that the LBs make the tackles, doh
As useless a stat as I've seen there comparing 3 different positions....hey let's compare DTs, ILBs and CBs while we're at it...who has more pass deflections, INTs, sacks and TFL?
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Does this include playing with their hands down and or standing up? No, then it's as useless as Toad's "arguments"
Does not including some guys who play with their hands down change the FACT the cold hard numbers reflect an excellent tackler who ranks 2nd on that list?
Nope. Can't spin that one away. Kinda like you can't spin Frostee Rucker being the 58th ranked starting DE in the league by Profootballfocus.com, though you swear he had an above average season. He was so good he's now a backup on a one-year deal.
Of course there's no way Jones should go higher than Moore, a now 2nd round level guy who you'd still take at #6. 
Now I'm going to take a page from your playbook and say:
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Unlike you, I actually watch and decide for myself....Moore might go in the 2nd, I don't care. I know a good football player when I see one, and Moore is one. You can go all EO on me for an entire year if Jones goes top 10 and Moore in the 2nd, but ask EO how he feels about Everette Brown and Barwin today ..and nice cheap shot on Rucker although I already stated that I mixed up Rucker with Parker. Best way to know I own you if that's all you'll hang your hat on from now on...a name mixup. Guess you missed the part where I said that Rucker was AVG on his best day Anyway, back to that pathetic list...here's clue for you: why do you think do NFL DEs have less tackles than OLBs? I know, tough one...here's another question: is it easier to tackle a QB staring downfiel or running into your arms or a RB while fighting an OT? Sheesh, that's anotehr tough one This list is nothing but a joke, as you can only compare players who played the same position in the same scheme (and even better if same style)...in fact all is actually says is that Jones is the 2nd most efficient player out of 2 as only him and Collins played 3-4 OLB...and while I'm at it....I must have seen ALL of Collins' missed tackles as I've seen PLENTY in the 2 games I saw of him. 97% my buttocks, he's a horrible jump-tackler
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Who were our "sure" pieces in the 4-3? Haden, Ward, DQ, Rubin, Taylor and Sheard...that's 6 out 11 starters that are well above AVG or better at their position...add to those solid pieces, who have shown that they belong like Gocong, Rucker, Winn, Hughes and Robertson...and our basic needs are down to no2 CB, FS and RDE
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Yeah, some team is gonna view that RIDICULOUS $20 million dollar contract we gave Rucker as something they really wanted, and would be willing to give us a draft pick for him.
You trade picks for good players, not ones rated 58th in the league at their respective positions and who turn around the next year and sign one-year deals to be backups.
You've made it clear how you feel about Rucker. Dude was a rotational player that we tried to turn into a starter and we got burned. Now he's back where he belongs: Riding the bench behind legit starters.
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Anyway, back to that pathetic list...here's clue for you: hy do you think do NFL DEs have less tackles than OLBs?
Since you've clearly missed the point, I'll have to spell it out for you, like I usually have to do...
You can take away everyone else in that list and just look at Jones' numbers. They are excellent and stand by themselves. They don't need a comparison. So forget the list and try to knock the numbers.
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Why would I do that when I can go all Blaine Gabbert on you now. 
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Okay, Dj, we're playing nice in the Davis thread.
Truce.
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Do we really have to fight that fight for the 10th time? Here's the recap: You ride your joyride that Rucker underperformed, but keep ommitting that it was a stop gap committee from day one when we gave Parker 3mil to complement him...it was a platoon, everyone knew it going in, saw it and you still keep pushing the fairy tale that we "started" him...no, he was 50% of RDE and would have made 4mil in 2013 + 3mil Parker = 7mil for RDE...now go check all 4-3 RDE contracts and perfomance and come back to me, or dig out your pathetic thread on it...you really wanna go there again? Oh and those "valuable" 3rd day picks weren't all that valuable when threw away the 2 of them plus a 4th rounder for TRich...what is it now? Yeah, you got me on the late rounder thing, throw a party as that was a brainfart on my part (see how that goes? It's easy, you should try too...how about in this thread as Jones underachieving on his ProDay was a good opportunity for that) as no one will ever give up ANYTHING for scheme miscast that everyone knows is gonna get fired...add to that that the FA market was incredibly de-valued compared to last season...and you can't tell me you saw that coming, no one did as teams have more cap to spend every season normally, but somehow this FA was a complete buyers market for the most part... As for Jones: I'll do a silent quote of Diam's preferred sentence and add "...especially for College stats"
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Too late for that
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the more you use that to discredit me...I will continue to repeat this
2009 February Everett Brown was my guy
2009 April Orakpo was my guy.
But keep repeating that crapola to up your credit n down mine...all I do know EVEN WITH HINDSIGHT Barwin was not worth a #17 Pick 
But you n others are correct - I don't know anything about Football. 
As for the stats on Jones...I had always included him as a One of two Ansah or Jones...but I was influenced by his negatives in Combine n Pro Day...not that it overides film which on film I really like Jones domination n explosiveness. But a lot of the combine stuff or Pro day stuff is to Confirm what you see on film n to evaluate the TRANSITION of that skill into the NFL. I am not saying to drop him to the 3rd round...Just enough Flags to get him out of the TOP 10!
Django discuss football with me...I know with ME n Others coming to the board you see it as some sort of THREAT - I didn't mean to bring out your INFERIORITY COMPLEX out - I do think we have made a lot of the same conclusions regarding OLB in this draft. I fail to see how Insulting me or trying to Discredit me serves you considering we actually Agree. Except you definitely "KNOW" I fart more football than you know....
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