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Wow! Glennon?? Barkley continues to fall...


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I don't know much about him, he could be a steal for I know. I'd still like 1 guy with size to matchup with all of the tight ends, and its the AFC North. But Hey, If McFadden can play, there's room for him in this secondary.

I' hate to project 3rd rounders to start, but Does Anyone think he can come in and start? Be the #2 we do not have on the roster right now?

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It's just my opinion. Not sure if I am right. He is one of the guys I was looking at earlier.

I like his moxie. Love his feet. He will attack WRs. Sometimes---he's too confident. He'll probably get burned some.

I only watched a little tape on him. I could be wrong, but it was nice to see us pick a guy I was hoping for, which is unusual. LOL

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Wow! Glennon?? Barkley continues to fall...




I think the lack of QB's is more about teams not needing a highly drafted QB than the fact that these guys can't play.

Even teams you think might draft a QB, are only a couple years into their experiements with other 1st round QB's (JAX and TEN for example)

I just find it hard to believe that teams really have Barkley rated as a 3rd/4th round guy ... I mean, come on, teams took Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, and Jake Locker in the first round. They took Jimmy Clausen in the early 2nd.

I find it hard to believe teams had those guys graded higher than Barkley, just not a lot of need for QB's right now.



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Thanks Vers. Are you concerned with his size at all? I think he's the same height as Sheldon Brown, but didn't know if it seemed like a red flag to you.


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Well, hopefully he won't be covering too many TEs. Was that a typo or brain fart?

I do think he will start. And when we go to nickel and dime coverages, I think he will move inside and cover the slot receiver. I am telling you this.........there is not much difference between this guy and Trufant, except that he tackles better.

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I am getting really excited about the talented players we're going to have on the roster this year. Definitely the most talented group we've had since the return. Hopefully it translates into Ws!


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Minnifield was not that tall and did just fine.

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I remember McFadden being listed as a sleeper in several mocks. Then he seemed to drop....

Fingers crossed....

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I guess it can be a concern, but I am not one of those guys who cared much about height. Frank Minnifield was a great corner and he was in reality--less than 5'9". Ever talk to Hanford? He isn't tall.

Different era? True.

I don't know, man. Maybe I am wrong. I just watched some tape on the guy and read all I could. He was one of the guys on my list and he kept moving up. I really like him, but again, I never scouted him personally and I could be dead wrong.

We'll see.

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I know nothing about him. I hope you're right, bro!



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Frank had to stretch to reach 5"8 but man oh man could he jump. and yes I have played golf with Hanford twice before and talked to him on several occasions He can't be more than 5"11


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Ive seen him play against UNLV, sure not a great team but he had a nose for ball,

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D. Moore finally picked... goes to the Giants... could be a great place for him... kid is young but a lot of upside IMO


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One thing you guys will notice about him after he gets here is that he has great hands. He breaks quickly on the ball and reaches out and simply snags the ball.

I am not saying having great hands make you a good corner. I simply neglected to mention it earlier.

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Well, hopefully he won't be covering too many TEs. Was that a typo or brain fart?




True probably not too many. But QBs find a way to get these hybrid tight ends on the nickel corner. They go in the slot, even outside. And our OLBs look to need lots of help in coverage.

Just picturing him and Skrine together, think they'll see some mismatches with TEs. But, not all teams have that luxury at tight end. And honestly, Skrine is my concern. Guess this could all go in the McFadden thread.

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Okay. Gotcha.

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Considering a huge majority of our secondary is 5'9-5'10...I just don't know...with taller wideouts and freakish TEs in...I really don't see us striking fear in the red zone for those jump balls...I hope I'm wrong...just thought we could really use a corner at 6'0+ and a safety the same...I saw often last year our height and length were the reasons why opposing wideouts secured passes on us (good coverage by us right on the wide reciever...just no length to jar the ball out of grasp)

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I hate to once again sound like I am dissing you guys, but........

---I keep hearing about the size differential and how WRs will catch the ball over the top of us.

Okay, but:

---The problem w/taller cbs is that they don't run as well as smaller guys. Their hips are stiffer. They don't back pedal as well. They can't change direction as quickly. So, is it worse that the QB has to throw over the top of a smaller qb or hit a wide-open WR?

Sorry man, but I think this cat can play!!!

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Great reasoning.

Maybe Phil Taylor can play cb in your defense.




Well ...... if he could get a good jam, it would be all over.


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Considering a huge majority of our secondary is 5'9-5'10...I just don't know...with taller wideouts and freakish TEs in...I really don't see us striking fear in the red zone for those jump balls...I hope I'm wrong...just thought we could really use a corner at 6'0+ and a safety the same...I saw often last year our height and length were the reasons why opposing wideouts secured passes on us (good coverage by us right on the wide reciever...just no length to jar the ball out of grasp)




Those are all valid concerns but, how good is a 6' 2" corner when the QB has all day to throw? I think that's the direction our team is moving (STRONG Front-7 and adequate secondary).

Just to spread some knowledge, 3 of the 6 Pro Bowl corners from last year were 6' or shorter:

C.Bailey (6')
Johnathan Joseph (5' 11")
Tim Jennings (5' 8")

If Leon is a legit 5' 10", I don't see how that would impact him being great or not. if he has the speed, skills and knowledge, he'll do fine.


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San Francisco might go 19-0.

I'm dead serious. They are absolutely LOADED with talent.

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I really like what this front office has done so far this off-season ..... from free agency through the draft, and the trade for Bess.

I think that we're closing on other teams in our division. We're probably not going to win the division, but I can see us winning one more game in the division, and going .500 against the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers.


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I really like what this front office has done so far this off-season ..... from free agency through the draft, and the trade for Bess.

I think that we're closing on other teams in our division. We're probably not going to win the division, but I can see us winning one more game in the division, and going .500 against the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers.




I'm just glad these guys understood what our needs were and aggressively attacked them. They want to build this defense.

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Bess was an absolutely brilliant trade that I'm still not sure how they managed to pull that off. I am with you in that I am pleasantly surprised in how well the off season has gone. I know we are not going to the playoffs next year, but we continued to add to our core.


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Considering a huge majority of our secondary is 5'9-5'10...I just don't know...with taller wideouts and freakish TEs in...I really don't see us striking fear in the red zone for those jump balls...I hope I'm wrong...just thought we could really use a corner at 6'0+ and a safety the same...I saw often last year our height and length were the reasons why opposing wideouts secured passes on us (good coverage by us right on the wide reciever...just no length to jar the ball out of grasp)




Those are all valid concerns but, how good is a 6' 2" corner when the QB has all day to throw? I think that's the direction our team is moving (STRONG Front-7 and adequate secondary)

Just to spread some knowledge, 3 of the 6 Pro Bowl corners from last year were 6' or shorter:

C.Bailey (6')
Johnathan Joseph (5' 11")
Tim Jennings (5' 8")

If Leon is a legit 5' 10", I don't see how that would impact him being great or not. if he has the speed, skills and knowledge, he'll do fine.


Good Point(s) perhaps I'm just freaking out...but I feel a little better today...thanks for the info Punch

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I hate to once again sound like I am dissing you guys, but........

---I keep hearing about the size differential and how WRs will catch the ball over the top of us.

Okay, but:

---The problem w/taller cbs is that they don't run as well as smaller guys. Their hips are stiffer. They don't back pedal as well. They can't change direction as quickly. So, is it worse that the QB has to throw over the top of a smaller qb or hit a wide-open WR?

Sorry man, but I think this cat can play!!!




Exactly!!

Also, take at look at the first receiver taken in this draft Tavon Austin. What tall CB is covering these type of receivers? It appears the league is starting to swinging toward smaller and faster receivers.

Creating pressure reduces the probability throwing an accurate pass, and pressure gives a QB less time checking open receivers. Having quicker DB's creates an illusion a receiver is covered.

People need to park their thoughts on how Jauron ran the defense last year and think speed.

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I think the protest about his size is not that a 5'10" corner can't play, but that that is our whole CB corps. I think Horton is likely to get Bademosi in the mix at corner because he's a hitter.

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I think the protest about his size is not that a 5'10" corner can't play, but that that is our whole CB corps. I think Horton is likely to get Bademosi in the mix at corner because he's a hitter.




Not trying to be condescending here.

What did Horton say in the very beginning? In the secondary, he liked little guys who can hit

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Right, little men that will hit. I took that to mean defensive backs who are physical, no?

I'm not assuming Bademosi is a starter, but without him our DBs are ripe for a mismatch exploitation. I think Bademosi could be a big WR cover specialist tomitigate that. That's all I'm saying.

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San Francisco might go 19-0.

I'm dead serious. They are absolutely LOADED with talent.




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