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I agree. Ben is very inaccurate, and has the benefit of having a HOF Talent WR on his squad his entire career (hines and AB). Those two bailed him out a lot more than most realize, or some in Pittsburgh will admit.

he literally throws up 3-4 balls a game that can be picked off.

I believe you are spot on.

With that said, dang its still Ben, and until we beat them its all conjecture.

I see a lot of talk about Ju Ju. And I certainly admit he has talent. But what we haven't seen is him matching up against #1 CB's in the league. With Brown being there, Ju Ju always faced #2 CB's. Whether he can withstand more pressure of being covered by #1 CB's is a question left unanswered until we see the evidence.

Ben has seen his best days and we are going to CURB STOMP him into retirement.

Heard it hear first folks.

Couldn't happen to a WORSE guy.

Ben won't have enough time against our pass rush this time around ...

j/c:

The Steelers OL was ranked first in the entire NFL last year. DeCastro is a stud and Pouncey is not damaged goods.

Ben isn't done. He threw for 5,129 yards w/34 TDs and 16 picks last year. He completed 67 percent of his passes and had a QB Rating of 96.5

Steelers Oline coach for 2 years (Munchak) ..left and signed with the Broncos. Shaun Sarrett has been promoted from Asst Oline coach to Oline coach.

Big Ben is going to miss WR Antonio Brown, because of what Antonio did best, and that was never quitting on a play... let Ben scramble and all of a sudden... Antonio gets open again. AKA... Steelers final drive vs Browns in home opener of 2017.

It seems they, (the steelers,) call every offensive play "depending" on that pass rush, and have success because they count on it, and teams have more success stopping them when they don't blitz but hold back and leave all guys in coverage.
This seems to have been a rule for years, also reading the Browns are going to get to him this time,

results, limited success, a lot of 2nd down sacks, and 3rd and long conversions for the first.

Facts?? Who needs them?

I agree he's not washed but we should note he threw the ball 675 times - so the yards and touchdowns aren't quite as impressive in that context.

Ben - 675 attempts for 34 TDs.
Mahomes - 580 attempts for 50 TDs.
Wilson - 427 attempts for 35 TDs.
Dan6erous - 486 attempts for 27 TDs.

That isn't great scoring efficiency from Ben when you consider that he had two pro-bowl receivers helping him out. And the guy who caught 15 of those touchdowns is now in Oakland.

The numbers look good because of the attempts, but the Steelers aren't as explosive as they once were and they lost their most productive receiver who consistently drew top priority coverage.

Add on that their offensive line. So he had more attempts than any other quarterback, with two pro-bowl receivers and the best offensive line in football... and really didn't do much with it.

He might not be washed, but they're going to be a very different team and Ben is entering a territory in which we've never seen a quarterback who is that big and that consistently banged up have success.

I'd be worried if I was a fan. This isn't the beginning for them. It's the end.

JMHO FWIW, but until we take these guys down convincingly, we have not arrived and the culture change continues. I think Ben has terrorized us and beaten us in the past regularly, but he is not that player any more.

We can really pound on them if we don't screw it up. And they often draft well. We need to be the Dynasty Killers in this division. I believe we can be.

I'm curious to see what James Washington does without AB "demanding" the ball all the time. He had their 3rd most WR snaps behind Juju and AB. He made some big plays towards the end of the season. Pitt's done a good job developing receivers over the years.

On the positive side, they've been much less successful at CB.

Just a little reminder, the Ravens won the division last season so until they prove otherwise, they are the top dog in the division.

With Ben getting older (careful, didn't a 40+ year old QB just win the superbowl) so he may be nearing the end.

James Washington is someone I've very curious to watch this upcoming season. Eli Rodgers to a lesser extent.

As much as I hate Ben and the Steelers I hope that through the very end of his career Ben can keep them a 10-6 to 8-8 team. (Always behind the Browns, of course.) I want them to lose him to retirement and have no chance at top draft talent to replace him right away. Then I want them to struggle for years to find another. I’d love to see them with a ‘jersey’ in 20 years post Ben.

as long as the Steelers have Ben, I think they have a good shot to beat us ... when he retires, it will be us or the Ravens (depending on how Lamar holds up)

The Steelers did draft Mason Rudolph last year. Quite a few people were high on him.

This is what I have been saying to the Steeler fans who stain this area. I get that our improvements are, for now, only on paper. Whoopty Hell and all that. But the Steeler fans are saying that they are still the team to beat in the AFCN. Actually, as you say, it is the Ravens. That's who won the AFCN and they are the team to beat until someone else takes the division.

You know, when we do this season.

Sure. But if Ben plays for a couple more years is Rudolph going cone off the bench and be a force after not playing in real games for 4 years or so? Or is even going to be with the team on a second contract?
He was a decent prospect but where would he have gone in last year’s draft? This year’s? I don’t see him as a viable long term answer. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope I’m not.

I think losing Mike Munchak is a big loss. They also lost, AB, Leveon Bell and Morgan Burnette.

James Washington was a huge disappointment for them last year. I am on record saying that I don't see him becoming a star in the NFL. Heck, last year he caught less than 1/2 of his targets. (16/38) He is anything but smooth as a route runner, and almost clumsy looking in and out of his breaks. He has some top end speed, but he's not a guy who has shown himself capable of beating press yet.

I think that Moncrief is their #2, and we'll see from there. I would not be surprised to see them grab a WR early in this coming draft. (round 2-3)

High on him, or high when they were on him?

I think Washington and Moncrief will be outside with Juju in the slot when they go 3 wide. I don't think any one of them will be as target dominant as AB was last season.

Washington is a deep ball specialist. I think he'll get more opportunities this season. I'm not sure what he'll do with them.

I'm not "worried", but I'm keeping an eye on him. Things seemed to start to click a bit for him towards the end of the season based on the highlights I remember seeing. Is it the high tide mark or a sign of things to come? Time will tell.

Were the best team in the division NOW ... last year is last year ... folks don’t seem to understand that rosters have changed since Bake threw the pick to end the rats game last year ... the rats, stilers nor us ae the same teams they were on 1/1/19 ... folks keep saying the Rats are the team to beat cause they won the division with LAST YEARS roster... they seem to forget that the RATS AREN’T THE SAME TEAM ANYMORE ... so the logic IS NOT THERE when u say there the team to beat cause they won the division last year ...

The Rats and Stilers both took SIGNIFICANT HITS and did very very little to nothing to help ... the Rats improved swapping Weddle for Thomas but they lost their ENTIRE PASS RUSH ... ALL OF IT is gone ... the Stilers have lost AB .... i don’t care how good u think JuJu is ... and he is no AB ... but if i give u him being as good as AB ... that means they lose nothing at #1 ... how big a drop off is at at #2 from JuJu to Washington or Moncrief ... ... there BUMS compared to JuJu .. losing AB is a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR HIT ... and to make that worse for them they lost a top 3 Wr in the league and we picked one up .... DOUBLE WHAMMY and a HUGE ASS OUCH for them on that one ...

We made MASSIVE UPGRADES to our skill positions on O and our DL while losing something along the OL ...

Were the team to beat ... MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT ...

I agree that Munchak was a pretty big OL loss for them

Game 1 vs. Pittsburgh our Defense sacked him 4 times along with 5 QB hits forcing 3 Ints ...

we also don't know what Wilks will be like as a DC here

These are the type of conclusions one can come to when they isolate a single game and ignore an entire season. That would be like trying to evaluate Baker on his performance against the Chargers.

I was just giving an example to show our pass rush is able to get to Rothlesburger the second game we only got 1 sack 2 hits and 1 Int but it still shows we CAN get there ... sheeesh

The bigger question is can we do this on a regular basis? Was our pass rush good on a regular basis? Where did we average in sacks, QB pressures and hits from a league standpoint? An outlier doesn't really tell us anything.

The hope is Vernon for Ogbah improves our pass rush .. we'll see!

May I ask why you quoted me to make that point?

And that defence added Sheldon Richardson and Olivier Vernon; not to mention will undoubtedly add some talent in the draft.

When we're talking about other teams, it'd be wise to remember who we are. This isn't the same old Browns.

If this unit gels, our young talent takes a step forward and Dorsey pulls another strong draft: There is no reason this team couldn't be contending for a Superbowl, much less the division title.

A lot of that will fall on Baker Mayfield. I still can't shake the rookie-to-sophomore potential. If you look at the leap quarterbacks typically take in their second year compared to their rookie campaign, it's an incredible jump. Goff, Wentz, Mahomes, Trubisky, Mariota, etc.

If their play significantly improved, it's hard to imagine what Mayfield may be capable of achieving with a second year leap AND the addition of Odell Beckham.

There is zero need to speculate or guess about whose on the rosters right now ... its right there for everyone to see ... if u need to hit the pause button thats fine ... it doesnt change the FACTS about the talent on the rosters ... and what assets are left to improve the through the draft ....

u mentioned our draft from last year ... that was a once in a lifetime draft ... only thing i can remember coming close is the 9ers draft in the early 80’s when they drafted 3 guys in the secondary that made the pro bowl there rookie seasons ... all 3 of them ...

INJURY is the only thing that can keep us from winning this division ...

The TALENT is here in Cleveland ... and nuttin U can say will change that fact .... the stilers and rats can help themselves in the draft ... but no way do they get the help they need to come close to us in talent .... NO WAY ...

I imagined we’dgreatly Improve this off season .... i’ve Been out of my mind optimistic since Bake’s pick to end last season ... I haven’t hidden or shied away from my expectations for even a second .... and bro ... I NEVER IMAGINED IT BEING THIS GOOD ... the talent we added to an all ready very good roster .... folks underestimate what we did over he last 8 last year .... ya’all are worried about =the coaching change ... look at what these pups did last year amid that BS .... this year gonna be a picnic for them ... talk about an ENVIRONMENT CHANGE ...

Hunt, OBJ .... are u KIDDING ME ... add that to VG, Calloway, Chubb ... thats not even fair especially when u look at whose driving the car ...

Then u look at what we did to the DL ... WOW .... come on bro ... it’s OK to admit it ....

FREDDIE IS READY .... rest assured the grinder is gonna grind and we gonna be just fine ....

I get it bro .... i do .... the best part bone ... your just trying to temper your optimism cause in your heart u know just how good we could be ...legite shot at being “that” good .... this is for real dawg and deep down u know it .... i’d Ask u to tell me I’m wrong but there’s no need for that as everyone can see it .... plain as the noses and smiles on all our dawg faces ....

This is DIFFERENT ...

SBBB’s replaces BBS as the new saying in these here parts ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo

Your Stats showed how good Pittsburgh's OL was a year ago and how well Ben played, so I used that to show what we accomplished (our pressure on Ben) against a top OL and passer a year ago ... No big deal just wanted to show we can pressure anyone and even more so this coming year IMO ...

its a new year new season. doesnt really matter who won the North last year.cause rosters change coaches come and go.

The Steelers window is closing.
as good as the 3 Bs were back in the day....guess how many playoff games they won in that span?
1.
Bell Brown Ben fools gold when the playoffs came around.
fast foward now.
Brown out.
enter Donte Moncrief his 3rd team in his career. hes your career journeymen WR
Juju is the #1 go to.man now.
but there is a serious dropoff now at the Z WR.
the Steelers wont be racking up 30 points a game anymore.
James Conner is a better inside runner than Bell.
but Conner cant outrun LBers like Bell did.
I think Jaylen Samuels will.have a big role.he will be lined up every where.

defensively they are rock solid. but its not defense really creates turnovers. their pass rush is really good.led the NFL in sacks.
but where did it get them?

I think Tomlin will have to do his best coaching to retain his job.
but now he cant pencil in 2 gimmie wins vs the Browns anymore.
hes under pressure to win.

Big Ben just signed a 2 yr extension... so contract runs out on 2022.

Conner could turn into a stud for them at RB. he missed 4 games last year, but finished with 975 yd rushing and almost 500 yds rec. JuJu Smith is the new go to guy at WR. they somehow have always had a #2 wr that emerges and gets close to 1000 yds receiving it seems like... with a 3rd WR getting around 500 yds.

The Browns have had only 2 competitive seasons since 2004 (before last year) in 2007, 2014... where at least 1 of the 2 games, they beat Big Ben. Now Us Browns have a QB that can go score to score with Big Ben. its still going to be a challange to beat the Steelers, but we wont get swept in the season series anymore...