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i dunno about you, but one story line i'm paying close attention to is whether or not Jimmy G will actually do anything worth a damn.

he got hyped playing in a patriot system that had freaking matt cassel look like a mvp, before getting hurt.

people came at me because i said he's gonna have an injury history....well?

he got paid....for accomplishing absolutely nothing. will he actually stay healthy this season? who knows.

another story line: Cam newton.

i'm a Cam fan, but dude needs to produce this season. 2nd year under norv turner, and weapons around him. he needs to show up this season.

How much better will Rodgers be this season with a new HC? he pushed his old coach out, loss Cobb to the cowboys, and so other than devonte Adams, he has a bunch of unknowns.

I don’t think Lamar will ever become a good enough passer but even if he does its going to be real tough this year ... there receiving corps is about the youngest in the league ... thats going to hurt him regardless of how much he improved this offseason ....

And the other factor with him is staying healthy .... he’s not the size of Cam or Josh ... he can’t take the hits and last year he didn’t show a propensity to slide ....

There D is going to struggle big time compared to what their used to ...

I’m very curious as to how Foles is going to do in J-Ville .... I think there ready for a huge year with that D and the addition of Foles ... and the thing is .. I don’t think Foles has to be that good ... if Fournette has dedicated himself like he says he has .... that’s a pretty darn good recipe they got cooking there .....

Personally, I think Lamar will do well. I don't think the Rat's confidence in him is unfounded. I don't think they hang their franchise on a guy they're unsure of. He's definitely a weapon with his feet. And I think he'll develop into a decent passing QB. No matter what happens, we will have to meet and beat the Ravens twice a year to establish dominance in the division and I don't think he (or they) will make it easy.

Rosen, I don't know. You can't deny the talent, but the reports of him being a guy that marches to his own tune are troubling from the point of view that he doesn't seem to be putting it together on the field. I applaud individuality, but being unable to secure the starting role, and the reports coming from his coach that he struggles with body language, getting the team in and out of the huddle, and decision making are very troubling. Maybe the NFL isn't for him. If that's the case, it's a shame, because he has the tools.

Jimmy G went 5 and 0 down the stretch after he was traded to SF.

To add to the list you guys have started:

- Will Mariota and Winston prove to earn next contracts or will their teams be searching again?

- Can Houston protect Watson?

- What happens with Melvin Gordon?

- Who wins the NFC North? To me, that’s a TIGHT division

- Do Brees and Brady still got enough left?

- Sophomore QBs (Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Baker, Lamar)

To add another

Will Todd Gurley's knees hold up this season?

Yea, 2 seasons ago. What’s he done since then except play Madden on the couch all day?

I was only addressing the point you made that he only did good in New England. That isn't true. He was 5 and 0 in SF after going 2-0 in NE. He got hurt two last year in an early season game, but I will concede the team had a poor record at the time. They might have been 1-2 or 1-3 going into that game.

But, it's wrong to say he only won in NE. The 5 and 0 thing is real.

But hey, if that is the guy you wanna slam...............go for it. This place is maddening.

We will see about jimmy G. Just not sold on him.

I don’t cam has got hurt all that much running. He’s had some freak injuries, such as the car accident. He should be healthy now, so we need some growth.

As far as Lamar Jackson, we will see. My bold prediction was a 3000 passing, 1000 yard rushing season.

Honestly if he stays healthy the whole season, that might not be all that bold. But he needs to take a step forward. Not a massive step, but just solid progress. Them solidifying the run game with Ingram certainly helps in his development as well.

So I have another story line:

What’s the over/under on the Antonio brown implosion? 6 games? 5?

If they don't wear brown and orange, they don't matter!

The thread is about story lines.

Wondering if Jimmy G will actually be on the field to do anything is most certainly a valid question.

Sorry for talking bad about your lord and savior. He’s been so irrelevant I forgot all about those meaningless games.

Damn, y'all............

I can't even bring facts to the table w/out BS insults.

Later...

I guess the question would be are the Ravens really that confident in Lamar or was there just that much lack of confidence in Flacco?

Flacco in Denver intrigues me. I think he'll have a pretty good season.

I agree w/this ... I think Flacco and the Broncos might be a surprise team. Their D is pretty good and they have some young weapons on O. Of course, they have a tough division, but I still think they could compete.

Admittedly, I haven’t read a lot on Lamar, but what I have read has been positive in terms of his growth this year. We’ll have to wait and see.

I agree about Flaco. Should be interesting.

J/c

Seeing the CBS predictions and watching the NFLN, it seems like quite a few people are high on the Jets and Darnold ... and not so much on the Raiders (looking at their schedule, it’s brutal)

j/c

I won't say Lamar can't succeed, but I will say this. Most QB's don't become accurate AFTER they're drafted. They get drafted because they are accurate. Maybe he can improve on his passing, but once you've made it to the NFL that improvement in your accuracy isn't usually improved by much.

Rushing QB's usually always get figured out once you get some film on them and teams have that now.

For Rosen's sake, I hope he doesn't start this year. If you could find a worse team in terms of protection to go to than Arizona, Miami may be it.

After all things Browns, I'm interested in this as well.

I agree w/you on most all of what you said. I think Darnold will be good as well and will show it this year. I also think Winston improves with Arians ... and I think he’ll be re-signed. Mariota? I’m less sure about

Report: Raiders plan to suspend Brown
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1826042

So the over under was 0.5?

Lol this is a clown show in oak town

Yeah just ask Alex Smith the first 10 years or so

I recall this happening with Kosar early in his career here.

A lot of interesting, intriguing, compelling story lines to watch this season - not the least of which is the Browns themselves....

My take on the players discussed:

Lamar - will continue to be an electric athlete, unlikely to be a good throwing QB, likely to get slowed at some-point by injury. I just don't see him being able to sustain such a big slice of the rushing attack without getting dinked up. And as soon as he slows down or becomes concerned about contact I think he loses all his value as a QB ...

Rosen - I was always wary of the discussion/perception that his mental make up was not a good fit for the NFL. Not being able to win the starting roster slot is a blessing but it's also a damning indictment. I don't ever expect to see Rosen discussed as a top 20 QB in the NFL personally.

Cam - another supreme athlete - bigger and stronger but aging now and has suffered those injuries. . . I'm expecting an up and down seeason and performances. I cooled on Cam the year they went to the SB, I loved the smiles and attitude throughout the season when they were winning but thought he was exposed as a fraud with his post SB reaction.

Jimmy G - he has a massive hurdle to overcome mentally. But I fully expect him to return to being an accurate intelligent QB ... it may take a few games but I expect 49ers to be good by the time the season is half way through.

Mariota and Winston - man they have been disappointing compared to the hype they received when they came into the league ... I thought both were going to be very good. I think Winston has the bigger likelihood to bounce back under Arians and relaunch his career. . . . I've sort of lost faith in Mariota, expect him to be average-ish. Other than Game 1 - I hope I am wrong.

Rodgers - I wouldn't have put him on the list, but I guess the way last season ended and with the coaching change there is something interesting to see there. But I have strong belief that Rodgers is an elite QB And will be great regardless of what is going on... looking forward to tonight's game!

I can't argue against what you're saying about Lamar. I feel like he could turn a corner for the good or end up the next Vince Young. I remember the hype on Young when he led the Titans to an 8 win sesson after they started with like 7 losses in first 8 games or something... very similar to Lamar although the Ravens were a better team than the Titans....

I think much of what you said is wishful thinking.

One of the things that I find striking about the Rats and Pittsburgh for that matter is people write them off and then there they are again right back on top, thats not to say they don't have bad years but it never lasts long.

That said this may very well be a transition year for them and it may not be even that. These teams have shown they can develop and deploy talent, move on from players and replace them with near equal talent or even better talent.

Take Pitt, they have shown they can draft and develop WR's at what for Browns fans should an alarming rate from Swan to Brown. They get backs that bring balance to their offense. The one area they seem to suffer with is QB's but with Ben in the fold that at least in the present isn't a concern. As long as he is there though they are in the game.

The Rats have a dead end QB, you don't teach accuracy your QB either has it or he don't that make the Rats offense 1 dimensional, the one and only advantage to that is they will run an offense nobody else does, while that certainly worked in their favor last year I don't see that happening this year, the element of surprise for them at least is over. Lamar is a dud and I am actually shocked they would sell the farm for a QB so lacking in the basics of what it takes to be an NFL QB.

The Browns are missing a key element as well for all the talent they truly have continuity will come knocking again, if there truly is an advantage for Pitt and the Rats its continuity and developed tried and true system of how to prepare and win football games. We simply don't have that, hell we don't even have a player on our rosters that has won consistently at this level. We simply have inexperience with winning. Talent wins but so does continuity I guess that would be my point.

In the end I think talent wins or it sure helps win, we are about to find out and I for one can't wait.

Browns: Can we live up to the hype? How does the team respond if they start 1-3?

Chiefs: How good will they be this year? Can they be stopped? And how good will Mahommes be in year 3?

Broncos: It will be interesting to see how Flacco plays in big D. Definitely something to watch.

Raiders: What will this train wreck really be like this year? Man, things are looking very disfunctional out there.

Vikings: Can Vikings and Cousins get it together this year?

Mayfield: Can he build on last season or will it be the dreaded "sophmore slump"?

Lamar: He's dumb, can't pass, and will get broken one day; the Ravens are one knee injury away from 3-13.

Darnold: I doubt he rises to heights of NFL QB stardom, can't handle the pressure. Similarly, why are the Jets supposed to be good this year?

Rosen: Bust

Winston: Average QB at best.

Cam Newton: A Richard Head, great when things are going his way, not so great when they don't...sorry never liked the guy.

Kyle Murray: How will he do this season? Can he lift the team?

Brown says he won't play with guaranteed money voided: 'Release me'
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1827205

Oh I get all that Bone and how they play good or bad will most likely at the end of the day determine how well this team does this year.

They will also benefit from time playing together and should be better in the end as continuity within the unit takes hold.

This is like watching a train wreck with boxcars full of explosives. You know it's dangerous, and people could be hurt, but you just can't look away.

I hope he doesn't show, and they put him on the "did not report" list. which could freeze his contract in place. His actions deserve no less.

Ask and you shall receive, AB.