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Free agency is not over but most of the big deals are done. The draft down the road a bit.

The Ravens won eight more games than the Browns last year. Is it possible to catch up to them?

Obviously we have to play much better and win more games.

Will the Ravens be able to match last years record of 14-2?

That is a tough task for any team to win 14. Can Lamar repeat? Will the league adapt?

A lot went well for the Ravens last year. Our win against them was our best game. Can we beat these guys?

The Steelers are for another post. It's Ravens I wonder about right now.

We should be better. But I am not going to hype this team. Learned my lesson last year. I will have to see them play a real game.

The Ravens are well coached. They have a bunch of talent. Lamar came a long way in one year. They will be going into their second season with the same offense. That is kind of scary because they kicked butt last year.

Thoughts?

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The Ravens back-up QB's are Trace McSorley and Robert Griffen III. The day Lamar gets taken out, is the day their season is over. Feel free to bash Baker now....

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Some of us believed Lamar would be an aberration and would be exposed as a poor QB. Last year that was proven to be the exact opposite. They’re a really well run organization and smartly geared their roster to his skill set. TE’s, run game, etc.

IMO they’ll be tough to beat as long as he’s healthy


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The league has a lot more film on Lamar now and more time to figure on a way to stop him. Tennessee did some of that in their playoff win. Also, everything went the Ravens way during the regular season last year and doesn't figure to happen that way again. However, they are talented and while I don't see them winning 14 games again I still feel 12 wins is very possible. We, Pitt. and Cincy should all be better and give them a tougher time.

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Originally Posted By: TrooperDawg
The Ravens back-up QB's are Trace McSorley and Robert Griffen III. The day Lamar gets taken out, is the day their season is over. Feel free to bash Baker now....


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Most of the NFL fanverse dismissed Jackson as a passer year one. He improved year two. I think he's a hard worker and will continue to improve as a passer. Still, I would rather have him in the pocket. On designed runs or extending plays, he's on another level. I think we need to improve our edge play against him. Possibly more in containment than pass rush.

Do we have the personnel for that?

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If you take away Jackson's run as we did by getting a big lead in game #1, and also was done in the playoffs, then he becomes a below average passer ...


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Some of us believed Lamar would be an aberration and would be exposed as a poor QB. Last year that was proven to be the exact opposite. They’re a really well run organization and smartly geared their roster to his skill set. TE’s, run game, etc.

IMO they’ll be tough to beat as long as he’s healthy


We all know Lamar was incredible last year. But we've seen perfect storm seasons before. After 2018, I think most people would prefer Baker. After 2019, most people would prefer Lamar. The first few years of a QB's NFL life are like a big chess match. Both Baker and Lamar have to now counter the moves others are going to make against them.

By all accounts Lamar worked his tail off last off season and deserved a lot of the success he had. But him and that whole Ravens team got a little bit arrogant as the season moved on. From Harbaugh all the way down. Running up the score and reveling in it on the sidelines to their safety guaranteeing a super bowl, that came back to the bite them. These things have a way of evening of out (which they did in the playoffs). Plus, I watched Lamar take a ton of hits. It was a perfect storm of a season where he kind of came out nowhere and he and the team stayed restively healthy. They can't count on either of those things this upcoming season.

If I had to predict who will have a better season, it would be the Ravens by far just by virtue of how well run of an organization they are. But Baker rebounding and Lamar coming back down to earth are not far fetched in the least.

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I'll also add that I think Harbaugh is a hell of coach. When the Ravens were considering parting ways with him, I wanted to drive to Baltimore, pick him up, and drive him to Berea.

But I also think he's extremely low class.

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Ravens have made some moves, especially trying to beef up their defensive line with some older vets. However, losing Yanda, on a team that loves to run, is a big deal. He has been a pillar for their line for a long time.

Jackson had a great year, but realistically, he is still a below average passer. He only threw for 3100 yards last year, which is less than 200 yards/game. He still struggles on throws to the outside.

They definitely have a good team, but they have their flaws, as shown in the playoff game to the Titans, and I'd say their first game against us. If they fall behind early, and the other team can run the ball, they will have a very hard time coming back.

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
I'll also add that I think Harbaugh is a hell of coach. When the Ravens were considering parting ways with him, I wanted to drive to Baltimore, pick him up, and drive him to Berea.

But I also think he's extremely low class.


I agreed with everything until the low class part. I think he is a very high class, especially compared to his brother.


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If Lamar has another season similar to last year people will have to take him seriously. I already do. The QB position is in the process of evolving. The way these dual-threat QBs are/will be used is getting more sophisticated. If a team like the Patriots ends up with Jayden Hurst, for example, it could be very hard on the rest of the league.

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I'll also add, the Ravens have a huge need at LB...similar to us.

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The Ravens might be the best organization in the whole league. Their ownership, front office, and coaching staff are all great. They have a QB going into his third year and he has already won an MVP award. They have other young pieces all over the roster. Everyone should be envious of what the Ravens have.

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The Ravens will be as good or better than they were last year. They are going to be the team to beat in the north.


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Maybe the best franchise but they can't do math...



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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
Maybe the best franchise but they can't do math...




That's correct. Why would you say otherwise?


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eff the ravens, they can have everything but they'll still be the ravens

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Offensively IMO they beat people with scheme and the right players in that scheme.

They made defending the run a real challenge. Very hard for opposing defenses to zero in on who has the ball. When and if to drop into coverage?

They confused teams and they executed very well.

In total defense they ranked fourth. That was after key personnel left the team after 2018. A testament to the coaching on the Ravens.

In order to beat the Ravens a team must play well because they do not beat themselves. I have great respect for Harbaugh and their entire coaching staff.

For the Browns to beat the Ravens and take first place from them; it will be on them to improve in all areas of the game.

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Browns didn't move officially until 1996. The gutless owner didn't even announce the Browns were moving until Nov. 1995. Neither one of those dates is 25 years ago today.

Even the logo they used showed it...1996-2020...that is 24 years.

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A franchise doesn't win 14 games out of luck.
So many people expected the demise of the Ravens
After Ozzie stepped down.
In fact the Ravens built a offense around
Jackson's strengths. Gave him a OC with a history of getting the most out of his talent.
The Ravens changed with how the NFL has evolved
Offense gets you to the playoffs.
Does it really matter what LJ's completition
% was last year ?
It's a overrated stat. LJ simply moves the chains and puts the offense in the end zone
I love the tired narrative " the league has film
On him "
Yeah him and Mahomes and Wilson and Murray too.
The league has had film on Tom Brady
For decades.
The Ravens are still the team to beat in the North.

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j/c.

Lamar Jackson had the 9th highest completion % last year (higher than Mahomes).


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We have the talent ... it boils down to Bake and who he is ...

Even with my boy Freddie the clown last year we kicked there butts ...

we’ve improved quite a bit all ready from last year from getting rid of my boy the clown and his joke of a staff to signing Conklin and Hooper ...

we added an awesome zone blocking guru at RT ... that position went from a major hole to a bright spot ... HUGE UPGRADE ... 24’s gotta be thrilled ... i know i am ... thumbsup ..... Hoop isn’t elite but he’s pretty dam good who catches everything ... he’ll be a positive addition and will help a lot ...

There’s no reason what so ever we can’t beat these guys ... it won’t be easy but we can do it ... thumbsup




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Bro, think Coaching, QB, and Culture.

Remember last year when you guys were dissing the Rats and one poster was telling you not to do that? That same poster is telling you that once again.

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I agree w/those who have mentioned coaching. Their coaches have dwarfed ours since, basically, 1999


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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J/C. I think one of the primary differences in the Ravens and us is culture and superior coaching. It seems that the Ravens get the most out of their players where we, especially under Freddy, got the least. I think that is going to change, I don't feel it should take very long as we do have a lot of talent and will be getting more very shortly. We need to focus on what will win our division, good run D and efficient play on our offense. I think we will be vastly improved based on our new coaching staff. Our LB corps still scares me a little but I think between the draft and another another possible deal, we will be OK.

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With Conklin and thomas and there subtraction of Yanda this team is very beatable.
2 The way to beat Baltimore have a running back run for 200 yards.

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The Ravens are good. We are not. At least not yet. That is all.


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Quote:
That's correct. Why would you say otherwise?



Because it's not correct.

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This article was on Dawg Pound Daily before the start of free agency and I wanted to post it then. But it's in a funky multi-page format and I thought it was too much hassle to copy it over here.

Anyway, Its titled "Browns need to build a run-first, cold weather, natural turf team" I think this is exactly what needs to be done to combat a team like the Ravens. I also think this is similar to the plan Stefanski has for the team.

If you haven't read it I suggest doing so.

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/03/12/cl...r-natural-turf/

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Lamar is NOT who we thought he was. Dude can ball, for sure. They've surrounded him with talent that complements his game. Their coaching is top notch, their D is always at least better than average.

However

It is true that their offense loses a LOT of its edge when they're down and have to start throwing. Lamar hasn't progressed enough to address that deficiency yet.


Also, and most importantly...
Our team has talent. Ironically enough, the one game that showed the potential of our team was that first Ravens game where we absolutely owned them in their house. We still have holes to fill, but we should at least be able to compete.


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A lot of it is on Baker.


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Originally Posted By: OrangeCrush
Browns didn't move officially until 1996. The gutless owner didn't even announce the Browns were moving until Nov. 1995. Neither one of those dates is 25 years ago today.

Even the logo they used showed it...1996-2020...that is 24 years.


96-97 1 year
97-98 2 years
98-99 3 years
99-2000 4 years
2000-2001 5 years
2001-2020 20 years

25 years.And yes, Modell was a gutless coward.


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The Ravens as a whole will be even better this year. They’ll have more time to develop Jackson and a better game plan. That being said it doesn’t mean they’ll win as many games.


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The city of Cleveland is to blame. They needed to step up, and didn't.


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25 years ago today is 1995 not 1996. The Browns played in Cleveland 1995. It was 24 years ago not 25.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, think Coaching, QB, and Culture.

Remember last year when you guys were dissing the Rats and one poster was telling you not to do that? That same poster is telling you that once again.


I think coaching, QB and culture and then throw in the rest of the team and the fact we whooped em last year and have won 2 of the last 3 ... and since we whooped em once last year with my boy the clown at HC and have added two key pieces to our O ,,,

I did mention the qb position ... our future depends on who Bake is .. we have plenty of talent around him and these guys have added some talent ...

U were 100% correct last year and i was dead wrong ... this is a new year and i see even more talent and we’ve got a new staff in and they have to be an upgrade ... last years staff was as bad or worse than Hue and Haley ...

I’m gonna be even more optimistic than last year my friend ... its all rests on who Bake is ... Good Luck Bake ... thumbsup




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Have we won 2 out of the last 3?

I thought they beat us in Cleveland in the second match-up of the season? I know we whupped their butts early on in the season when Chubb ran wild. I thought they beat us in the last game of the preceding season when Baker threw the pick at the end of the game?

I think it's cool your optimistic. I hope you are right. But, I'll probably take a more cautious approach, just like I did last year.

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Oh ya ... ok ... 2 of the last 4 ... i was wrong again .... *L* ...

Hopefully this team wins and you and Clem will be joining us on the Isle ... thumbsup




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Can't speak for Clem, but I am practicing social distancing, bro. wink

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