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A day late on this one...
I half watched this game as I had it on my laptop while playing ps3...
I can get angry about everything that happened, but you aren't winning anything with Jason Campbell as your starting QB, and guys off the street at tailback. You just aren't.
As far as the defense goes, I got nothin'. The pass rush has disappeared though. Mingo had the one nice play where he blew up a reverse or whatever the hell play that was.
I have never wanted to press the "end the season" button more in these last 15 years than I have the last few weeks. There is literally no reason to watch this team. They aren't exciting, they have nothing to play for, and the amount of younger players to watch develop is minimum. This is a young team that is supposed to be coming into their own. Ward, Haden, Kruger, Jackson, Taylor, Rubin, Little, Bess, etc.. Those guys aren't going to get any better. They are what they are.
I'm totally fine with the last draft we had, where we traded out of a few picks. I understand they are all new, and their scouts weren't even really in place. This next draft has to be one where they hit and they hit early. No more trading back. I'm over the trading back and always getting excited over draft picks. It's time to get better now instead of 3 years from now. I think we can be good next year if they can find a QB and maybe find another offensive weapon.
This defense has fallen apart, but I still feel like they have given you a chance in every game. The Jacksonville game and the Patriots game is on them, but there have been so many other games where we lost because we couldn't move the ball.
The defense carried us for the first 3 months of the year. I'm not giving them a pass, but I am still a believer.
1 more to go, and I think personally ending the steeler's playoff hopes we be a good way to end a really disappointing season.
I can't see how that happens though. This team can't beat Pittsburgh when it matters.
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Baker continued to earn reps/carries/game time. This kid is really out to prove himself.
Cooper... all I will say is he should be starter over Bess and/or Little since game one of the season. Who knows, we'd probably have converted a ton more third downs by eliminating the drop fest that is Little and Bess. Reality, Bess or Little needs release/traded/whatever, and Cooper and heck, even Tyms showed up and did what Little and Bess can't. Get open and then CATCH the freaking ball. I think the coaching staff is a failure for keeping Little and Bess with playing time after all the ups-n-downs when people off the practice squad are producing more. At this point, even Tori Gurley be a better option than Davone or Greg. IMO
Jason was extremely inaccurate, he is hit-or-miss with being able to hit targets accurately. His play wasn't that good and the Jets d-line didn't help.
McFadden and Poyer played like crap. Skrine had a rough day. We need a solid #2 corner.
All and all - one game closer to this failure of a season ending...
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Baker continued to earn reps/carries/game time. This kid is really out to prove himself.
Cooper... all I will say is he should be starter over Bess and/or Little since game one of the season. Who knows, we'd probably have converted a ton more third downs by eliminating the drop fest that is Little and Bess. Reality, Bess or Little needs release/traded/whatever, and Cooper and heck, even Tyms showed up and did what Little and Bess can't. Get open and then CATCH the freaking ball. I think the coaching staff is a failure for keeping Little and Bess with playing time after all the ups-n-downs when people off the practice squad are producing more. At this point, even Tori Gurley be a better option than Davone or Greg. IMO
Jason was extremely inaccurate, he is hit-or-miss with being able to hit targets accurately. His play wasn't that good and the Jets d-line didn't help.
McFadden and Poyer played like crap. Skrine had a rough day. We need a solid #2 corner.
All and all - one game closer to this failure of a season ending...
The play where Cooper ran just a few yards, and then did a curl, where he was wide open, and Campbell threw it and almost missed him completely... That's the Browns season in a nutshell right there. Wow.
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Unfortunately, yes. 100% right. I mean literally 100% right. This has to be so gut-wrenching for our young crew of WRs/TEs. Gotta think what adjustments are needed to catch a ball instead of just focusing on catching the darn thing and yards after the catch, etc. We don't have that level of targets that can consistently make the impossible a possible.
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Unfortunately, yes. 100% right. I mean literally 100% right. This has to be so gut-wrenching for our young crew of WRs/TEs. Gotta think what adjustments are needed to catch a ball instead of just focusing on catching the darn thing and yards after the catch, etc. We don't have that level of targets that can consistently make the impossible a possible.
Yeah, there was no way he was catching that thing, not with his feet set. It was a terrible throw. I expect more out of Campbell because he's been around the block. That was a throw I would expect from Weeden.
It's the little things with this team. Stuff like that. Drive killers.
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I thought the quick slant to Gordon that could have gone for pretty good yards was another example of how this season has gone. Good throw, plenty of room to run, blocks set up down field and Gordon looks up field before he catches the ball and it falls at his feet. The defense has been a pretty big disappointment. Yes, they've kept us in games, but how many sacks did they record in the last four games or so? We would told that it was an "attacking" defense, but I saw no real evidence of that yesterday. I remember one play where we brought a delayed safety blitz and whoever it was didn't even get to the LOS before the ball was out and gone. And, I remember another play where Mingo was at ILB and didn't get any depth in the zone and the threw right over him. All in all, another game where we snatched defeat from the hands of victory. Add that to the laundry list of coulda, shoulda, woulda games for this year.... 
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We need to fix getting touchdowns in the redzone instead of FG's or nothing and 3rd down defense. If we can do that I can see us being somewhat competitive next season. There have been too many games where we outplay the opponent only to leave them in the game by not putting it in the endzone. And the 3rd down defense - it is truly unreal how bad they are.
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I made a comment on another thread that it really says a lot that nobody put up a "what I saw" or "Postgame thoughts" thread..
Anyway, what did I think? Well, I thought the same thing we all thought, Campbell is a back up and nothing more.
Dropped balls are gonna kill ya every time
Breakdowns on Defense can't be an every series thing.
We should have kept David Nelson.
Baker can play (deserves a chance to work with Lewis next year.. that's for sure. Even if he reminds me a little of Boyce Green who I also liked)
Even if he drops a few, Gordon makes up for it. I love this kid and his potential. we gotta find someone to get him the damn ball more effectively.
The game was boring. Not even sure I'll be watching next week. Not sure I care.
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I was downstairs watching a movie. My wife yelled down, "hey the game is on". I replied "OK thanks, but Im not gonna watch this weekend". I see I missed nothing.
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That's too bad, you missed seeing some good effort from Baker and Sheard.
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I thought the quick slant to Gordon that could have gone for pretty good yards was another example of how this season has gone.
There are several examples to use in terms of "what could have been" dealing with our qb's struggle to throw accurate balls. Prime example I cannot get outta my head, Oby on the wide open wheel route and Weeden... doing what Weeden is known for.
I could go on and on. The man said it best, that's the Brown's season in a nutshell. What "could have" been...
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Prime example I cannot get outta my head, Oby on the wide open wheel route and Weeden... doing what Weeden is known for.
I remember that like it was yesterday, too, Dawg_LB. But, on that slant, Campbell threw a pretty good ball, right on his hands. Gordon looked up field before he secured the ball.
And, I'm sure. We could all go on and on about "what could have been". I'm beginning to think that this franchise is the definition of Murphy's Law..... 
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Not much to say after that performance (or lack thereof) I should say.
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Am I the only one who noticed after that play that Campbell took his right hand and kept motioning to his right like he expected Cooper to run to his right? That kinda made me mad. Coop was set and Campbell was trying to make out like it was the WR's fault. I don't know why Coop would just start running to his left.
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I thought the quick slant to Gordon that could have gone for pretty good yards was another example of how this season has gone. Good throw, plenty of room to run, blocks set up down field and Gordon looks up field before he catches the ball and it falls at his feet.
That and the one Little dropped were the only good passes Campbell threw all day. The only other throw that was on target nearly got Baker killed.
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Dropped balls are gonna kill ya every time
We should have kept David Nelson.
Nelson dropped a ton of balls in the preseason finale .... which is mainly why he was cut after missing almost the entire preseason..
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That's too bad, you missed seeing some good effort from Baker and Sheard.
Honestly, I am tired of watching "good efforts" "guys battling" and "almost wins"
I want to see a team play and win as a team.
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That's too bad, you missed seeing some good effort from Baker and Sheard.
Honestly, I am tired of watching "good efforts" "guys battling" and "almost wins"
I want to see a team play and win as a team.
I know the silver-linings approach doesn't work well around here but I thought I'd try it anyway.
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I appreciate the effort, I really do. I used to be optimistic, but now Im just tired of losing.
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The Browns are lucky that this isn't English Soccer. Because I think English Soccer kicks the worst 2 teams out of the league every year, and brings up the best 2 from a lesser league.
The Browns haven't reached the 6-10 mark more than 2 times in the last 15 years. 6-10, the impossible dream, and a 6-10 record is lousy, exceptionally bad.
So I went on the Browns websight and checked out the team history, to see just how many straight times they have 11 or more losses. I came away with an understanding that the Browns haven't won 2 playoff games in the same year since 1950. OY Vay, slap my head, that's 64 years ago. That is AARP.
I had no idea. I really had no Idea. Enough with the doom and gloom though.
I'm glad I haven't spent a penny on this team since 2006, and I don't intend to spend a penny on this team until they start Winning! But who knows, I've been tricked into paying things before.
Find a RB, Find a TE,. Find a WR, in free agency, Before the Draft even starts, show a commitment to putting a team on the field that can beat both Baltimore and Pittsburgh in the SAME YEAR.
A feat they haven't done since 99' , so Never.
They have a shot next week. Think it will happen? Good luck.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I don't think we need to drain the bank as those positions are usually good to find in the draft. Especially since we've sacrificed to stockpile picks for this draft. It's clear that is what the front office is banking on. If they don't fulfill all the needs via FA, IMO, that doesn't relate to their "commitment".
Especially RB, we may not even need to draft one, or look for one FA, period. Tell me you don't like Baker? Tell me you've already forgotten about Dion Lewis? Oby, cause he really isn't fullback material... if we had a line, even Willis McGahee would look good. IF we had a line...
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Especially RB, we may not even need to draft one, or look for one FA, period. Tell me you don't like Baker? Tell me you've already forgotten about Dion Lewis? Oby, cause he really isn't fullback material... if we had a line, even Willis McGahee would look good. IF we had a line...
I like Baker. We don't know how Lewis will turn out, but I think we could still use another back. Guys I like:
Bishop Sankey -- Washington (probably the best I've watched this year)
Charles Sims -- WVU is OK but I think he will end up getting overdrafted
Terrance West -- Towson
James Wilder, Jr -- FSU is a tough runner, but doesn't seem like a real special player
Carlos Hyde -- OSU I'm a little worried because his OL is just so good.
Adam Muema -- San Diego St He's a really good RB that might end up going undrafted. Like him a lot.
Antonio Andrews -- Western Kentucky has great size and production as both a rusher and receiver. Doesn't have a lot of wear as he's only been the feature back for two seasons, but has been among the NCAA leaders in all-purpose yards both years.
Branden Oliver -- Buffalo Tough compact runner, though the first game I saw of him was the best. The last two he wasn't as impressive.
I'm looking forward to Ka'Deem Carey vs. Andre Williams. Should be a good show.
A current freshman to look out for is Elijah McGuire from ULL. He's a good combo back with nice moves, but currently he's built more like a DB than a RB. If he can sturdy up and keep most of his natural abilities he can be a really good one.
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Bleed,
On that play Campbell had a defensive player right in front of him that while being blocked jumped up to try to knock the pass down and I think Campbell was trying to throw the ball around the dude.
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Steve, what do you think about these guys?
--Marion Grice. Arizona State
--Melvin Gordon. Wisconsin
--De`Anthony Thomas. Oregon
--KaDeem Carey. Arizona
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Grice didn't really impress me, though I do have their bowl set to record to watch him again.
Gordon looks good... Good moves. But then James white has almost matched his production so I have some of the same concerns I have with Hyde in that he's tough to evaluate in a vacuum.
De'Anthony Thomas surprises me with his toughness but man he is just too small. He'd have to convert to wideout and maybe a role like Desean Jackson. His backup came in and they didn't miss a beat. Then I look at Kenjon Barner and Lamichael James and the bit players they've become and I don't have a lot of interest in Thomas.
I haven't gotten to watch Carey, but I'm very excited for the matchup against Boston college.
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Thanks. I have been so busy watching QBs that I haven't really paid enough attention the backs.
Grice: I liked his speed and his catching ability. I think we need that.
Gordon made me salivate w/his combination of speed, power, and moves. The Wisconsin thing is a concern.
Thomas is lightning fast and makes huge plays. You are right about how small he is. He will have to be a specialist type of player. Maybe in the later rounds???
Carey is less than 200 lbs, but he runs hard. He has great hands and gets open. He seems to have great acceleration. I wanna see more of this kid. Let me know what you think after his bowl game. You have a good eye for talent.
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My one postgame thought was that Dee Milliner did a pretty good job vs Gordon. Gordon had 97 yards, but quite a few of those came when the Jets were playing soft in the 4th qtr. That was a tough assignment for a rookie CB and he came away with an Int and a few PDs. I wish we had drafted him (or Warmack).
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Yeah he had a pretty good game after what's been a reportedly tough rookie season.
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