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This can’t be it. There’s just now way this is the best this team can do with all this talent.
I’m just at a loss for words.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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Trash organization.
Trash coaches.
Trash players.
Trash team.
I knew they wouldn't win today.
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This has to be it for Kitchens. The team is in total disarray. They can not bring him back for next season.
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If dorsey insists on keeping kitchens he can go. Promote wolf and get an experienced coach
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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I rooted for them, but this is exactly what I expected.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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This game went exactly the way I thought. Coaching is a big problem, but I have to say I believe this "team" is not a "team" at all. A group of players is all I see, no discipline, no drive, and IMO, any accountability they talk about having, is a farce. We will not win again this year.
"The Elf is killing the Curse"
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If dorsey insists on keeping kitchens he can go. Promote wolf and get an experienced coach I agree, Dorsey can't keep Kitchens now. Team had the talent to make playoffs but not the coaching!
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You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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Leave Freddie there in Arizona to start his vacation. Hire McCarthy to coach the last few games. I couldn't be any worse.
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At Least, From 1999-2004 I believed the Future was going to be one of Winning.
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If dorsey insists on keeping kitchens he can go. Promote wolf and get an experienced coach De-Po-Desta clap, clap, clap clap clap.
Tackles are tackles.
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Come On Baby Light My Fire
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Will we see a power struggle between Haslam and Dorsey?
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
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If dorsey insists on keeping kitchens he can go. Promote wolf and get an experienced coach De-Po-Desta clap, clap, clap clap clap. No - not in a million years. Football people need to make football decisions. Period. Dorsey keeping Kitchens means they both go. Enough already.
The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
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If dorsey insists on keeping kitchens he can go. Promote wolf and get an experienced coach I agree, Dorsey can't keep Kitchens now. Team had the talent to make playoffs but not the coaching! What if Dorsey keeps Kitchens because he is the type of guy who can't admit he made a mistake? They both may need to go, and can for all I care. Wilks too, what a casterated performance from his defense against his old team.
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You think there's a little progress at least and then this...
I hate to start at nearly ground zero again but (some) these guys have absolutely torpedoed this thing.
Not putting it past Baker, having seen some of his shenanigans, to be leading a coup here. Something smells...
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It's like the coaches and players heard it would take a major collapse the last 3 weeks for a coaching change to happen and they collectively decided to make sure that it happens
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Will we see a power struggle between Haslam and Dorsey? Nope - it's pretty simple. Haslam: Hey John, fire Freddie or you're gone. Dorsey: You sign my check. Got it. Thanks Jimmy. Click.
The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
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No - not in a million years. Football people need to make football decisions. Period. Because "football people" have worked out so well for us, since, well......
Tackles are tackles.
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If you ain’t winnin’ games, you don’t matter.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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- The players have zero respect for Freddie. He needs to go. The players have clearly quit on him. Even last week they were just going through the motions.
- I have real concerns about Baker.
- It's December, Christmas is near and the Browns are a complete dumpster fire. 'Tis the season!
- Landry yelling at Freddie says it all.
- Browns beat by a bad team....again.
- Browns fail to show up and win a game that they have to win....again.
- The defense just doesn't care anymore.
- I said tongue and cheek in the gameday thread, "the players are doing their part to make sure there is a horrific collapse" to end Freddie's reign of terror. I'm actually starting to believe maybe they are.
- Nick Chubb is amazing. Make sure he gets the rushing title.
- Just get this season over with, this clown show has just become embarrassing.
- Browns tickets going back to costing less than a high school game. They were as low as $9 against the Bengals.
- Same old Browns.
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If they keep Kitchens I will drive the 14 hours to Cleveland and dropkick Dorsey in the testicles!
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again with the 1-0 next week at FK's presser
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Major concerns about Baker and our team’s direction at this point
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Listening to the press conference, Freddie is speaking like he knows he is done.
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[quote][/q- Same old Browns.uote]
Yep, what he said
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Here is something that puzzles me. All the recieving talent we have and our recievers are never open, never any separation and we can barely complete a pass past 10 yards. Other teams recievers are always open with yards of seperation torching us 15-20 yards downfield and our DB'd NEVER know where the ball is. How many picks we had? They can't find the football.
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Here is something that puzzles me. All the recieving talent we have and our recievers are never open, never any separation and we can barely complete a pass past 10 yards. Other teams recievers are always open with yards of seperation torching us 15-20 yards downfield and our DB'd NEVER know where the ball is. How many picks we had? They can't find the football. The scheme is horrible, pathetic is a better word
"The Elf is killing the Curse"
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Another presser and Freddie will not admit that Baker played like trash.
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Kitchens was in way over his head this year. We all know it. If you thought he would get better and take control, maybe you would bring him back. But I do not see it. I would take Meyer, McCarthy, Rivera and several others next year. We need someone with a presence who can impose discipline. And we can’t be sure we have our QB. I hope we do, but I don’t know.
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This is Dorsey's team ; he is responsible for the product on the field. He has his work cut out for him this coming off-season...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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Done for the year. Next to another meaningless offseason win for the Browns to just fall short of when the rubber meets the road. If Dorsey and Haslam don’t replace Kitchens and company, many will be angry and this awesome roster wasted.
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Here is something that puzzles me. All the recieving talent we have and our recievers are never open, never any separation and we can barely complete a pass past 10 yards. Other teams recievers are always open with yards of seperation torching us 15-20 yards downfield and our DB'd NEVER know where the ball is. How many picks we had? They can't find the football. The scheme is horrible, pathetic is a better word In a word Predictable! If your placing the blame on our talent, then you are bying unto The BS we've been feed every week this season. Then their is our defense. Are our players really that terrible?
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If changes aren’t made, next Sunday will be very ugly
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Another presser and Freddie will not admit that Baker played like trash. 30/43 247yds 2TD 1INT I wouldn't say that's trash..definately missed some throws could have been better. The real trash in this game was on the other side of the field that got lit up for what 450 yards and 38 points by the 24th ranked offense.
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I am ok with this loss.
Because it helps get us a new EXPERIENCED coaching staff.
That and I met a new guy at the bar. Well not so new, he is part of our regulars crew.
But super nice and sweet. And football fanatic. And lives nearby. And a good job. And he likes me. And he is my age.
So fingers crossed.
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If changes aren’t made, next Sunday will be very ugly I think next Sunday will be ugly, regardless of any changes made. One trick pony rides again.
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