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I would like to see Rashod Berry of Ohio State get invited to camp. I think he could make the conversion to FB. Scroll down the when you click the link. There are about 6 GIFs as examples of his play.
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If only leftfielder T.Tebow weren't in his 30s now.
I might have to look for undersized DEs that like contact.
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Yeah, finding someone who doesn't play FB to play FB sounds like a great idea.
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Kyle Juszczyk played TE in college. Isn't he considered the best FB in football?
I'll agree, not always the best approach, but the role of FB in the NFL seems to be evolving.
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Experiments are great if and when they work out. Sometimes they do but I'd say the odds aren't as good as finding someone to play their natural position.
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Agree, thus the camp invite. Berry is smart, strong, fast and very athletic. Actually petitioned Ryan Day to play DE when Chase was held out. Worked his butt off all week, studied film, earned the spot and became the first OSU player to play both sides of the ball in eight years.
Exactly the type of player I would invite to camp.
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Yes, it's been the proven answer thus far.
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Yeah, finding someone who doesn't play FB to play FB sounds like a great idea. The problem is that most colleges don’t use a fullback or they do use a fullback but his athletic profile is not good enough for the NFL.
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You may be able to use a TE that is undersized. Like in the 6' to 6'2' variety. A good blocking TE with good hands. But I don't see the talents needed to become a good FB at any other positions. To be a well rounded FB you have to have the ability to block, run and catch the ball.
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Yeah, finding someone who doesn't play FB to play FB sounds like a great idea. In present-day college football where are the "natural" FBs you're referring to? Honest question because I don't see many.
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You may be able to use a TE that is undersized. Like in the 6' to 6'2' variety. A good blocking TE with good hands. But I don't see the talents needed to become a good FB at any other positions. To be a well rounded FB you have to have the ability to block, run and catch the ball. All the fullbacks in the league: https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/FBPatrick DiMarco - played tight end and fullback in college Chandler Cox - played fullback and h-back Trevon Wesco - tight end Patrick Ricard - defensive linemen Roosevelt Nix - defensive linemen Cullen Gillaspia - switched from linebacker to fullback senior season at Texas A&M Andy Janovich - fullback Anthony Sherman - fullback Alex Ingold - linebacker and fullback Derek Watt - fullback Jamize Olawale - wide receiver, h-back Mike Burton - fullback Nick Bawden - quarterback then fullback Danny Vitale (who was on our team and is very good) - superback C.J. Ham - running back Keith Smith - linebacker Alex Armah - defensive end Zach Line - running back Kyle Juszczyk - tight end Nick Bellore - linebacker
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Where's James Develin? D-line in college, Fullback for the Pats.
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Where's James Develin? D-line in college, Fullback for the Pats. He probably wasn’t listed on the depth charts because he ended the season on IR. Thanks for adding him to the list!
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Just in terms of physical build, I would look at the LBs for prospects to flip to FB... if that's what we're doing.
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I guess that all depends on what you're looking for in a FB. When looking at guys like Patrick Ricard and Roosevelt Nix, former DE's, they're very one dimensional. They block. Ricard for example had 8 receptions for 47 yards and 0 rushing attempts. Nix had 4 rushes for 4 yards and 12 receptions for 69 yards.
So if you want a very limited contribution for your FB, then yes, you can put anyone in there that can block. If you actually expect any major contribution from your FB, the best path to follow would be someone proficient at the position or a former TE.
I know it seems like a foreign concept to actually put a player in a position where his skill set may line up well but I still promote that idea.
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Here's the thing as far as I'm concerned, though .....
Hunt is an outstanding blocker. He's an outstanding receiver. He's an outstanding runner. I don't understand why we would want to take him off the field and insert a very limited "blocker only FB" type.
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And that's my point. I will say that putting Hunt up against much larger, more physical players on a consistent basis is something I'm not in favor of.
But much like what Peen has always said. Why would you take up a roster spot for a FB who can only block? If we're going to get a FB let's get one who is an actual threat on O. You can put a DE or OL player already on your roster back there from time to time if all you want is a blocker. No need to waste the roster spot for that.
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Here's the thing as far as I'm concerned, though .....
Hunt is an outstanding blocker. He's an outstanding receiver. He's an outstanding runner. I don't understand why we would want to take him off the field and insert a very limited "blocker only FB" type. I agree with this. Hunt can fill the "FB" role on normal down-and-distance situations. On short yardage or goal line situations - Myles Garrett.
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The point is that there are hardly any fullbacks in college that can play in the NFL. If you want to find a player to play fullback you have to look for them in different ways. Doing so should be considered a strength not a weakness.
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And I made it clear that an undersized TE might be the perfect fit to find a FB that may be considered an actual threat as an offensive weapon at FB. I also gave you stats of how a position like a DE who was converted to FB seemed to have a very limited role. How if all you're really looking for is a bocker you can put a DE or OL player already on the roster in from time to time in order to fill that role without wasting a roster space.
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Yeah, finding someone who doesn't play FB to play FB sounds like a great idea.
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So I guess ignoring everything posted after that makes you feel better?
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Just in terms of physical build, I would look at the LBs for prospects to flip to FB... if that's what we're doing. I have said for a long time, look around at the non-fbs schools for a lighter guard. Find a few in the 250 range with good feet and decent speed. They are out there. Work them out but also have them swing in to the flats or squat in zones and see if they can catch. Catching is something you learn when you are 6-7 years old. Just because you are big doesn't mean you don't remember how to catch a ball. No doubt some people don't have good hand eye coordination, but that isn't determined by a persons size. That is just the way it goes. My point is players weren't put on the O or D line back in Pee-Wee football because they couldn't catch. They were put there because they were the bigger kids. It's not their fault they are bigger humans. Body size and shape helps determine what position you are going to play from a young age, in all sports expect maybe baseball. Hockey is a bit different. It's about skating. If you were one of the few young ones who could actually skate backwards without falling over after a few strides, coach made you on defense. My first 3 hockey coaches, the first drill they ran in youth leagues was to find out who could skate backwards. I could. I was sent to the defensive coach.
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My GOD I just had a flashback of drafting Owen Marecic in the 4th round.
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My GOD I just had a flashback of drafting Owen Marecic in the 4th round.
I saw this and looked up Marecic's combine numbers: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/owen-marecicI don't think I've ever seen a spider graph look like that for any NFL player let alone one drafted in the fourth round.
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Lol it’s just a blob towards height and weight. My uncle’s chart would be similar
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Look for a big RB who shows the willingness and ability to block and catch on tape. Guys from smaller school who did not have the elite speed for the big boys.
"Hyper-concious" on finding someone to switch to FB. Please. The only thing this org needs to become "hyper-conscious" of is winning NOW. How bout worrying about not creating more holes than we already have.
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At least Owen had long arms!
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Glad to see Andy and crew heeding my advice. Look for that 250lb, quick guard who plays at Elon or somewhere like that.
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j/c:
It would probably make more sense just to acquire a FB in FA instead of gambling on a position switch, but that is just my opinion.
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j/c:
It would probably make more sense just to acquire a FB in FA instead of gambling on a position switch, but that is just my opinion. There aren't many available. That's the problem. Teams that have a good fullback usually don't let them leave. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/fullback/The best guy on that list that is available is probably Derek Watt. Many of the other guys are older (Anthony Sherman) or unavailable (C.J. Ham is a restricted free agent).
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I would take RB Zack Moss and make him a FB (can block) if he was to fall in the Draft, which is likely after posting a 4.65 :40 at the Combine.
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It's been my understanding that a lot of FBs have switched teams over the years.
I don't have a problem w/those who think it's a better idea to take a guy and play him at a position over guys who have proven they can play the position, but I will voice my opinion that I think the latter is a much-safer idea.
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I don't know about anyone, but I'm kinda geeked at the idea of Chubb running behind a powerful fullback.
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I don't know about anyone, but I'm kinda geeked at the idea of Chubb running behind a powerful fullback. I'm curious to see how the running game works out. I'm not sure how powerful the FB will be. Might end up being more about positioning and walling off if wide zone ends up our bread and butter play. Could see Hunt as a pseudo-FB on 1st downs some more. Maybe someone more powerful for short yardage situations. Time will tell. I wonder if you can legally flex out an extra lineman and have him running like a fly sweep action and go straight into blocking with momentum.
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