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Denver Broncos vs. Seattle Seahawks

Am I the only one who thinks this is the worst possible matchup for Denver? Especially without Von Miller.

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Its going to be boring. Manning will win this with no problems.



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for some reason, i seriously doubt that.

Seattle actually has more than one CB that can cover. and some slober knocking safeties/LB's.


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Yea I don't think Denver will win this easily, they may win but Seattle isn't going to let it be easy..

Manning should probably spend the next two weeks preparing... and praying for weather similar to what he had in Denver...


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When it boils down to it, it'll be a good game but Seattle's defense won't be able to contain Peyton and hte Denver passing attack. Seattle's secondary is awesome with Sherman, Earl Thomas, Maxwell and company - but Denver's offense just cannot be stopped. Contained some, but not stopped. It'll be interesting if Quinn attempts to blitz Peyton often to disrupt him. Good look disguising it though, pretty sure Manning has seen it all...


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I think Seattle has a very good chance of winning, but I'd like to see Peyton Manning win again if for nothing else just to solidify his rep.


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I get mad when all these media guys bad-mouth Manning for not winning more Super Bowls. Freaking sickening. The guy is a great QB.

With that said, Seattle is more my kind of team. Physical, tough defense, not fancy, not media darlings, etc.

Here is the key to the game:

If Manning has time to throw, no way can Seattle score enough points to keep up in this game. Yes, I know that Seattle has an outstanding secondary. But, Denver's offense is unreal. Great scheme. Great players.

The key is to generate enough middle pressure to make Manning move off his mark. He gets nervous when pressured up the gut. His footwork breaks down and he makes mistakes.

That's it right there, guys. If Seattle pressures Manning into mistakes---they win. If they can't generate pressure up the middle.......they won't be able to score enough to win.

Btw...........someone said it was a boring match-up. I totally disagree. It is a very intriguing match-up due to how different these teams are.

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Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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so much for weed making people lazy

the state with the legal weed is also the loudest, wowzers.


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Haha that's awesome

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I'm really looking forward to this game. I haven't seen Seattle play much, but what I have seen, they're a fun team to watch. I think Lynch could cause some problems for Denver's D. Wilson will need to limit mistakes.

I try to catch Manning play whenever I can (did when he was in Indy as well). I love seeing a QB so in control. So many times, he throws and I think "how the hell did that WR get so open???" I think a big part of it is his smarts and his preparation. It's fun to think I've gotten to see a QB who could easily be in the argument for best QB ever.

I have no dog in this race. I'd like to see Manning win just because I like him, but I'd have no problem with Seattle winning. I just want a good game.

Oh, and for the halftime show to be canceled so halftime is only 12:00.


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Yeah, they got some sissy boy doing the halftime show.

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He's being joined by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. The guy's got a great voice, too. He may not make the kind of music I enjoy but I respect his talent. Just watch him impersonate Michael Jackson. It's fantastic!


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He seems so young for his career to be over, relegated to doing the halftime performance. Up next, local casinos and opening for Milli Vanilli.


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Can THROWLONG be the opener?

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THROW LONG can do whatever he wants as far as I am concerned.

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huh? bruno mars is hot right now.

beyonce did half time shows recently, so she's washed up too?


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huh? bruno mars is hot right now.

beyonce did half time shows recently, so she's washed up too?




Now how could you take a Milli Vanilli reference seriously?


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i missed that...


sorry man, just woke up.


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Not a problem.



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THROW LONG can do whatever he wants as far as I am concerned.




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as far as the game goes, Denver jumps out to me right away, I heard it opened at Seattle by a point or two, and the sharps hit it so hard it's at Denver -1.5... Crazy.

Seattle's secondary is really good, but the problem they face is that Manning doesn't play favorites. Both Thomas', Welker, Decker, and Moreno, you can't cover them all... That's a tough assignment, especially when your own QB showed some weaknesses last game. I wonder if Denver tries to slide Wilson to his left, because he struggled a bit with that against SF's rush.

It would be a giant middle finger for Manning to win this game, especially if it's freezing so people can get off him already.

I know he's had his moments in the playoffs, but it's a team game, and he carried some pretty mediocre rosters pretty damn far in his career.

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So Pops Adams wasn't good enough for the world beater Browns but he is good enough to start for an AFC Champion in the superbowl.

Thanks Browns.

Awesome.



Tell me more about how we have a "young" team and spin it like that's a good thing.

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So Pops Adams wasn't good enough for the world beater Browns but he is good enough to start for an AFC Champion in the superbowl.

Thanks Browns.

Awesome.



Tell me more about how we have a "young" team and spin it like that's a good thing.




I think the majority of us on here were upset about that move too. Sometimes I wonder if the Browns would be better off if this board ran the team. That's not a good thing or even a compliment to us.

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I want what I always want, a Super Bowl that goes into OT. And it be a long, messy OT with missed FGs and turnovers. Of course, once the Browns do finally get there, which I'm guessing is SB50, that our Super Bowl will be the one that goes into OT.

Seems like Vegas has this as a pick'em game. Right? I'll wait for a final line....but if I'm picking straight up, I'd put my money on Manning getting #2.


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As far as rooting interest, I am rooting for Seattle. Seattle is one of our sporting brothers. Yes, strange to say given the vast differences in our cultural identities, but it is true.

Seattle has not had a championship in any of the 3 major sports since 1979. That championship was the Supersonics led by Lenny Wilkins. The Payton/Kemp teams fell short in the 90s. And, since that time, the Sonics (their most supported team) was taken from them just as they drafted Kevin Durant, who would help the <i>new</i> franchise become one of the best teams in the NBA again.

Seattle has endured failures of some great Mariner teams in the 90s and 00s that fell short (including a 2001 team that won 116 games), but never even made the World Series. They have also endured some terrible Mariner teams as well.

And, the Seahawk teams have been yanked around by the NFL (forced to switch conferences twice), fell short in their few good seasons in the 80s, and then had terrible teams in the 90s (and almost became another relocation story before Paul Allen came to the rescue by buying the team). Holmgren resurrected their team (unlike ours), but they still had their Superbowl practically stolen away by the referees by that yellow & black team. Since then, they have had good teams (even made the playoffs at 7-9), but have not been able to break through.

I am throwing my support to the Seahawks. I truly want to see them end their sporting misery.


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I get mad when all these media guys bad-mouth Manning for not winning more Super Bowls. Freaking sickening. The guy is a great QB.

With that said, Seattle is more my kind of team. Physical, tough defense, not fancy, not media darlings, etc.

Here is the key to the game:

If Manning has time to throw, no way can Seattle score enough points to keep up in this game. Yes, I know that Seattle has an outstanding secondary. But, Denver's offense is unreal. Great scheme. Great players.

The key is to generate enough middle pressure to make Manning move off his mark. He gets nervous when pressured up the gut. His footwork breaks down and he makes mistakes.

That's it right there, guys. If Seattle pressures Manning into mistakes---they win. If they can't generate pressure up the middle.......they won't be able to score enough to win.

Btw...........someone said it was a boring match-up. I totally disagree. It is a very intriguing match-up due to how different these teams are.




Yep agreed. Pressure on Manning is key. He will pick them apart if Seattle can't pressure him all day. Of course Manning will win most games anyways because he beats and handles the pressure well. But still it's the key of the game here.

I also agree on the matchups because they are such different types of teams. Far from boring.

Also if Tom Brady didn't exist, Payton would have 3 SB rings by now. JMHO


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The Super Bowl. Horray it's coming up. I'm glad for Mike Adams Bronco's safety who spent a lot of time with the Browns, hope he gets a championship.
I liked his play when he was in Cleveland.

Ok, Throw Long lines the Super Bowl. I'm not going to read anything in this thread, I just realized, that I don't know the vegas betting line on this game, and I don't want to learn it, until I post this. I'm gonna reason on here, how I would reason this game and figure if this game were to be fixed, how might it go. (Though I don't, "claim", "or prove" games get fixed, it's just fun to contemplate).

So, I figure, if it were a regular season game next week in Seattle, Seattle would be favored by 6. Based on their recent home dominance. And that 6 is about the most any team is favored over a good team in a reg season game ever.


If it were a regular season game next week in Denver, I'd say Denver would be favored by 4, because of the home field, and the early season high scoring romps by that Denver offense. And not more than 4, based on the scores of Denvers 2 recent playoff games. Not 20 point margins there.

So I figure a neutral field, Seattle by 2.
So I figure, who'd be most easily believed to throw the game.
Seattle's defense, no way, they're trying to prove a legacy, Richard Sherman and all of that, ... I think they'd be the hardest to believe.
Denver's offense, no way, I think Peyton Manning's trying to build a legacy, hall of fame and all of that. Plus, that Seattle defense is such a wild card, they might score 14+, or they might score 0, or they might just get beat twice big, for an extra 14.

So then you have, Seattle's offense, Russell Wilson and all of that. Well, it'd be pretty hard for them to throw the game, because even if they don't they might not be able to keep up if somehow that Denver offense rolls like their early season success. So if Seattle's offense is playing catch up all day, they can't likely throw the game, it's too unpredictable.

Then there is Denver's defense, they would be least expected to dominate in straight up vs with no shenanigans, the only way the fix could be in involving them would be if somehow someone got the Seattle offense to give them a lot of gift turnovers. But, there's a problem with that, because of that unpredictable Seattle Defense which might just match turnover for turnover just on dominance.

So when I thought all that through. ( Oh a whole other variable.) One of these teams is going to have more money bet on it, and the trick would be to get that money to go to the wrong side. First, which team will attract more bets. (first obviously, Denver, but that's the wrong guess., but why.)
Denver's actually a smaller populated city, but they have more long term success in the NFL past, Denver probably has more supporters, but not this time. Because Seattle is going to have more first time motivated betters because this, well it's their 2nd time, but really, longterm success, 20 year success goes to Denver, and I'm gonna guess the longterm fanbase is less likely to bet.

So, they'd want to get Seatte's money, (to bet wrong). But no dice, there are too many unpredictables.

Alright, the line would never be 2 points, because that wouldn't motivate either side to take a perceived obvious bet. You can't move it far against the favorite (bringing seattle by 2, down 6 points to Denver by 4, would still not motivate anyone.)
So I think they'd have to move it up, the other way, to Seattle by 6 or even 7 or 8. This brings the obvioius better out. ( C'mon, Peyton Manning only has to stay within 8 points of Russell Wilson, ya gotta bet the Bronco's! rah! rah! rah!.) Plus doing so, removes any worry of the biggest wild card in this game coming back to hurt Vegas. The biggest wild card being Seattle's defense possibly getting turnovers and points.

So I'm gonna guess the Vegas line on this game probably is Seattle by 6 points. I expect it will grow, which would only bring more money to bet on Denver.

Then 2ndly I'm gonna guess that if this game were possibly fixed, the thing I'd most look at is the Denver defense. And I'd expect Denver to not only not win, but to lose by 11 plus.
Now I'm going to go find out who is really favored, and change all of my thinking.

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The only real reason that I'll watch this game is if there is a snowfest in the NJ swamp.

I'm not really all that interested in this game. The officiating will certainly suck (miss the replacement refs yet?) and I couldn't care any less for the two teams.

If I'm forced to cheer for a team, it's Seattle.

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I'll watch and cheer for whoever I need to score to win pool money. I'll have numbers in each quarter.


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I'll be rooting for Seattle. There's a fair amount of Seahawks fans up here in Alaska.

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Size of city/fan bases has very little to do when trying to figure out which side has more money on it.

Especially the Super Bowl.

If you want to see which side of a bet has more money on it, check the line movements, that's the obvious indicator. When one side is getting hit harder with bets than the other, the book will adjust the line in favor of the other team by a half point, point, or sometimes more to try and keep things even. After all, the book is technically betting too, and they are on both ends. It's only in their best interests to keep the money as close to even as possible.

One other indicator you may want to look at is what the sharps think. Those guys hit it right away and with this super bowl, they were heavy on Denver (Seattle opened as favorites).

I've read rumors that some of these guys are so good that the books actually give them a line before it goes public, just so they can go off of how they're betting when presenting it to the public.

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I am on a board with two squares ($2 each), $40 for each of the first 3 with $80 for the final score.

Denver 9, Seattle 3

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Denver 0, Seattle 6

Needless to say, I'd like a sloppy game of FGs.

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Back where I grew up the Elks club had one of those boards, $100 a square. You could sign it early in the year and then pay $5 or $10 toward it when you went in for a beer so it didn't really feel like you were putting up the $100. It was fun. I forget exactly how the prizes were divided up but 100 squares at $100 each is $10,000. They took some off the top to pay for the party but most went to prizes. All I remember is standing next to my grandfather when Scott Norwood missed the FG for the Bills, it cost my grandfather $2,000.


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I have done squares for most super bowls and a few other games, I did it for the NCAA tournament last year (way more fun than football) and I have never, not once, won a damn thing in those. I'm the guy that gets stuck with 2 and 8.

If anyone is doing an NCAA squares pool, please PM me. I would definitely be interested if it's of the 20-30$ sort.

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Forecast for the Super Bowl



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Back where I grew up the Elks club had one of those boards, $100 a square. You could sign it early in the year and then pay $5 or $10 toward it when you went in for a beer so it didn't really feel like you were putting up the $100. It was fun. I forget exactly how the prizes were divided up but 100 squares at $100 each is $10,000. They took some off the top to pay for the party but most went to prizes. All I remember is standing next to my grandfather when Scott Norwood missed the FG for the Bills, it cost my grandfather $2,000.



I play in a $100/square one every year - I buy a square and my dad buys one. If either of us win, we split so it gives us two chances They pay out on every score change and whatever is leftover at the end goes to the final score. Pretty fun, and it gives you a lot more chances to win if it is a high scoring game.


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I've never seen "ice pellets" as part of an official forecast.. usually it just says "sleet" or "freezing rain"...


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I said the same thing. Ice pellet?

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I said the same thing. Ice pellet?




" Ice pellets" is the actual and correct term for what is expected. It is different then freezing rain, sleet, or hail. They bounce as they hit the ground.


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But that's a forecast for the whole day...it really only comes down to 2-3 hours before and during the game.

As a motorcycle rider, seeing a 70% of rain for a city may or may not mean I'll get wet. Depends on the size of the rain clouds, wind speed, when I'm going through there, what direction I'm going in and how fast.

So, it could rain for 8 hours on Sunday (6am-2pm) and be dry for the game. And that's assuming they're even right about the forecast as of now.


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