DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Ohio Judge Deems the State's COVID-19 Lockdown 'Arbitrary, Unreasonable, and Oppressive'

This is a HUGE win for the people of the State of Ohio. You had one un-elected official criminalizing legal behavior, trying to fine people 750 dollars and threatening them with 3 months in jail for refusing to follow an order that was illegal under Ohio Law. You want to make such a law, pass it though the damn legislature!

This ruling is going to make it awful hard for them to force close anything again, even if their is a 2nd wave of Corona, they will be limited to two weeks without approval from the Ohio House and Senate! That is the way it ought to be in the 1st place!

All I ever wanted was Legislative approval, I don't want two clowns(Acton & DeWine) wielding quasi-dictatorial powers over the people of Ohio. Our elected representatives should most certainly have a say in how business is conducted during pandemics, the governor and his cronie Acton shouldn't have unfettered authority to do whatever they want.

We the People!!! This is not a socialist country.

Yet MOST of the We the People agree with their actions.

Plus the actions weren't Acton's. They were DeWine's (officially), who was advised by Acton. Reminded of that, the first paragraph in KoB's quote really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Also.... gyms? This judge is throwing a temper tantrum over gyms? I could probably have an easier time understanding if we were talking about something a little more essential and a little harder to replace at home.

These articles are hilariously over-dramatic.

Having said that, if gyms can demonstrate the ability to safely open up under the same protocols as restaurants and other businesses, they should be allowed to open up.

There will likely be even more stringent requirements, such as disinfecting every machine and piece of equipment after each use by the staff, limited capacity, workouts scheduled by appointments, etc..

The right to die has been deemed legal! Should this judge be charged with assisted suicide when the death count rises?

Not a right to die but a right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Governmental House arrest of innocent citizens must end.

Liberty and the pursuit of happiness won't help you much when you're dead.

"Give me liberty or and give me death!"

Actually they were Acton's Orders. If you remember, DeWine tried to order the shutdown of the polls and a Judge ruled against him stating he didn't have the authority to shutdown the polls, so DeWine had Acton issue a health emergency under ORC 3701.12 to shutdown the polls to bypass that judge's ruling, and the Ohio Supreme Court upheld Acton's order.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3701.13

The Stay Safe Ohio lockdown order was Acton's Order as you can see from the amendment to the order she put out today (thanks to this judge ruling against her she is rescinding everything) you will see no signature from DeWine

https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/c...-health-orders/

Well I'll be damned... thanks for correcting me on that one.

No worries. I thought they DeWine's Orders too until I was corrected on it by a friend of mine. Its really crazy how much power the Health Director has...this is the reason The Ohio Legislature is working on passing a new bill to strip her of most of her authority.

Yesterday bill didn't pass because their were provisions in it about lawsuits the Senate didn't like, but they are still working it. I'd say in a week or two they will have a bill and the 2/3rds majority in both Houses they need to over ride DeWine's Veto.

Its my understanding the Senate wants a provision in the Bill that after 14 days of State Wide Quarantine, a Commitee made up from both Houses will then have the say on if it continues, how long, or ending it completely. They want to limit the Govenor and Health director to 14 days without Legislative mandate.

I think that's reasonable.

this has nothing to do with a person being able to use the gym... if you think going to gym is unsafe, by all means, don't go... it has everything to do with people who own and work at gyms being able to sustain their livelihoods, feed their families, etc..

And this will be applied to all other businesses.. much bigger than gyms..

Imagine living in a time where there’s a killer pathogen and we’re more worried about Wall street than our own citizens.

What is wrong with all of you?

And for the crowd “well, jobs....” look at other governments who are helping provide in this time of need!

I can’t even with a large lot of you anymore.

Facts don’t matter I suppose. Stanning for corporations must mean more than lives.

Glad all of you can sleep well at night worshipping money over lives.

.... and everyone leaving the gym going out in society and spreading a virus.

These "personal decisions" impact "public health". They're not really a personal thing at all. That's why there needs to be limitations on idiots who actually believe they should be able to do what they want when it impacts their entire society.

In less than a month, quite a bit less, more people will have died in America from Covid 19 than American soldiers who died in WW1. And that's just in a matter of less than three months. We've already surpassed Vietnam by tens of thousands. And the response? Murica!

Except the only thing mentioned is gyms, health clubs and workout facilities. So maybe other businesses latch onto this if the judge is ultimately successful... but this decision is specific to workout spots.

I empathized when whoever it was temporarily put the kaibosh on closing the polls. I can understand wanting to 'die on that hill'.

When has there been a time when there wasn't?


In a world that is built on a trade off between money/convenience and safety? I sleep just fine.

I think it's ironic that so many have chosen this as the hill they want to plant their flag on.... when this country (essentially the whole world) allows things to happen for their entire lives that lead to the deaths of tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Americans every single year.. things that could be easily changed, death to self and others that could easily be prevented... and we go through our lives every day perfectly comfortable with the risk, paying no attention to who is profiting off of it, never devoting a single thought to the people that are going to die today so we can enjoy our own convenience and maintain our own lifestyle...

Then along comes a virus and those people who didn't think twice about senseless deaths just a few short months ago are going to wrap themselves in the cloak of moral superiority and, full of righteous indignation, lecture everybody else about the value of each individual life and act as though they are the only ones who care about people...

That's because the person who brought the suit owns gyms... the judge can only rule on the case they are presented but the larger message sent seems fairly clear.

It takes a pretty big hill to bury 100,000 people on.

There are, they are called laws... they are enacted by a series of events that involves the legislative and executive branches of government.... in which a bill is proposed, it is debated, amended, modified, and eventually voted on by people duly elected by the citizens, then signed by the executive who was also duly elected.. in the event that a law is challenged, it becomes a matter for the judicial branch... !!Murica!!

Laws are NOT created by a single government official issuing a fiat that all shall comply or face punishment.. !!China!!

And even if they do all that and make it a law, we can just ignore it like Weed Laws.
We can form "Mask Free Sanctuary Cities and States!

RESIST!!!

Thanks for lighting the gas light, DC. Thought you were above that, but the lack of meaningful reply in the poll thread should’ve told me enough.

Wall Street? ... my barber isn’t on wall street .... my butcher isn’t on Wall Street ... the fact u think what’s going on now is about Wall Street tells us just how far out of touch with reality u are ...

This is about hair stylists and tatto artists and our neighbors that work at the local garden store or the local hardware store putting food on there table ... u know there feeding there families ...

And we can do this SAFELY ... u know follow the guidelines of social distancing and sanitizing and all that ... there not asking for shoulder to shoulder lines at the gym or buetyy salon .. its like folks like U and Pit and OCD act like there’s no middle ground here ... guess i shouldn’t be surprised the bouncing ball has eluded u and your peeps once again ...

When this whole thing started I agreed with you way more than them. However after watching time, after time, after time, after time, or folks who are just way to stupid and ignorant to social distance, wear a mask, stop hanging out in shoulder to shoulder large crowds, playing basketball, not washing or sanitizing, licking their fingers then grabbing the gas pump handle, etc, etc, etc, I lean way further to their side now. I have watched people takes babies to get groceries with them, while the babies licked and chewed on the buggy handles..... WTF is wrong with these brain dead donkeys.

I'm not on wall street either. I don't qualify for any aid/assistance/benefits. I either work to make my house and food payments, or I lose my house, and can't eat.

I work by myself - no one else even needs to be in the house/building. Maintaining social distance is MORE than easy for me. Even my daughter, who I've had working with me here and there, is 10 feet to 50 feet away from me.

And she's not doing any "work" that I get paid for, she's doing the little things that allow ME to do nothing BUT work. It saves me time. I can get stuff done quicker. (and she's paid well, trust me)

If I'm not working, I get no income. I understand how things are, and I respect the rights of others, I respect wearing a mask. I get it, I really do. I'm careful, don't get near a customer IF they are home, or in a business.

My residential work has slowed, no doubt, but my commercial work has soared - for the time being, that is.

I agree with what you say about the actions of others.

We're going to some friends house tomorrow evening. They are 1 couple that, with 3 kids, have been about as strict with their kids (twin 20 year olds, and a 15 year old) as we have with Sooga.

Guess what? We'll be sitting outside, around a fire. Distanced.

Don't say crap like this about reasonable people who think there is a way to start opening businesses...



And then accuse others of gaslighting... it's not a good look.

I also broke down and went golfing with my best friend of over 50 years yesterday. He moved back to this area during the winter and I had not seen him in person since the first week of March (we do talk on the phone every week) He has social distanced as much as possible from others just like I have. We had plexy glass between us in the golf cart, stayed 6 feet apart, and never hugged that was tough for me as I am a hug hugger. This is a guy who got up in front of everybody to speak at my MOM's funeral because he knew I couldn't do it without falling apart. We still managed to social distance. Not because we wanted to, but because we were looking out for each other and our families, and others.

This crap is not easy, so when I see people hanging out in groups, not wearing masks, or protesting it takes all I have to not choke somebody's dumb ass out.

We HAVE allowed our daughter to go uptown and ride bike with her boyfriend. "No touchy feely huggy crap." We've allowed her to go golfing with him with this caveat: You drive to the course in separate cars. The golf course mandates that if you are not family, living in the same house, you must use different golf carts.

Hey, I was 19 once - we've tried to allow her SOME freedom, but freedom with restrictions.

I was married at 19 so no social distancing there lol. I did search for a while to find a golf course that had the plexiglass as most do require different carts.

Arch, it is clear that you are doing everything as right as any reasonable person can do. But you have to admit, there are a large number of people who don't come anywhere close to that.

jc...

To add this recent story that seems to have remained under the radar until The Ohio Capital Journal link reported on the outbreak in Clark and Hancock counties in Ohio.

WTOL, in Toledo picked up the story and it was not until the news got out that The Hancock County Public Health department confirmed the information.


Health authorities are investigating two separate COVID-19 outbreaks at food plants in Hancock and Clark counties.

link

The Clark County Combined Health District has identified 20 cases of COVID-19 associated with Dole Food Company’s Springfield salad plant, which employs more than 700 workers, a department spokeswoman said Tuesday. Of the 20, 12 are Dole employees, and eight are contacts of employees.

The first case was detected April 22.

About 120 miles north in McComb, officials are investigating an outbreak centered on a Hearthside Food Solutions plant, per a health alert issued Tuesday morning. Hearthside manufactures brand-name cookies and crackers.

Nationally, the food industry has proven especially vulnerable to spread of the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19, according to a database from the Food and Environment Reporting Network, updated May 19. At least 16,485 workers (14,839 meatpackers, 1,074 food processors and 572 farmers) have tested positive. At least 66 have died.

The Hancock County Public Health department declined to provide any information regarding the scale and timing of the outbreak.

“We are currently working with the company to prevent further spread in the community,” said Chad Masters, director of health promotion and planning for HCPH.

Hearthside did not respond to inquiries.

In a statement, Dole said 10 of its salad plant employees (excluding non-lab-confirmed cases and non-plant workers) have tested positive. However, the company claimed viral transmission did not occur at the plant.

“Contact tracing of positive individuals did not appear to reveal any clustering nor evidence of transmission of the virus within our plant,” the company said in a statement. “Nor are we aware that any of the individuals identified through contact tracing have tested positive for the virus. We cannot state with certainty how the transmission occurred, but these results lead us to believe that the plant is not the source of transmission.”

Clark County Health Commissioner Charles Patterson praised Dale for exceeding public health recommendations.

“They are doing everything right,” he said in a statement. “It’s important to remember that employees socialize outside of work, ride together to and from work and in some cases live in close proximity so disease transmission is not confined to the work place.”

Both plants have a history of worker safety violations behind them.

In 2016, the Food and Drug Administration found that Dole management knew it had a listeria problem at the plant for more than a year before temporarily closing it down, according to The New York Times.

The company was also cited for exposing its workers to an amputation hazard in 2017, according to a report from The Springfield News-Sun.

As for Hearthside, just last month the U.S. Department of Labor cited the plant for violations of OSHA’s machine safety standards after two employees suffered two amputations in separate incidents in 2019. The company faces $262,000 in penalties.

In 2015, OSHA cited the company three times, including one when a worker suffered severe scalp injuries and multiple lacerations when a machine caught her hairnet, resulting in four days of hospitalization.

Absolutely I agree. No doubt.

I was at a Dollar General store 2 days ago to get cat food. I literally went out of my way to not be beside others in an aisle.

Went to pay, and there's a mom with 3 kids. All 4 had facemasks. Except, 2 of them (mom included) didn't have the mask over their nose.

No, there are idiots everywhere. Wife and I don't go anywhere. (other than work, and for her, they take her temp when she goes in, and when she leaves, and she has to wear a mask).

I'm really only posting because there are some that want the state/s completely shut down for even longer. I've said I don't qualify for any aid/benefits/unemployment. And I have to amend that: I would, if I were completely shut down. I've not been - had a few slow weeks, but any benefit I may have qualified for was offset by what I DID earn.

What I DID earn didn't pay the bills. I focused, business wise, on places that were closed. It's worked. I'm working my tail off........but that will end soon I'm afraid. I need people to not be afraid anymore. You've apparently read my posts - you know how I work. How I avoid contact, etc.

My daughter had a good job - good for a 19 year old. They still can't use her, so that's part of the reason she's been working with me.

But yeah, there are stupid people, no doubt.

Just another case of greed over honesty and love. The owners and share holders care about bottom line, but don't give a DAMN about their employees.

Interesting ... i believe this is the first time I’ve ever “took a side” ... and I’m on the common sense side that knows there’s a middle ground so the 35 year old family of 4 can feed there families and keep grandma alive ... it can be done .. once again ... the choices aren’t stay locked up or die ..

The fact u think I’ve chosen a side on this before my post in this thread is exactly why this 0lace is a joke ... i like trump so I must always side with Wall Street ... like this is about Wall Street ...

U seem to be confused ... the idiots your talking about are in uncontrolled environments ... u wanna go in to the barber shop, the gym or the restaurant u will follow the rules or u will be gone ...

And bro where i am now it’s backwards ... at the food lion u can’t use a small cart .. they have someone dedicated to sanitizing each and every large cart and to make sure folks go in and out the right exits ... yet not a single employee hardly ever has a mask or gloves on ... no masks wipes out every other precautionary measure they’ve taken ... its a JOKE ...

Then i go to Publix who does everything right and I’m looking at some steaks and some 30 something dude shoulders right up to me ... i walk away and glare at him ... he rolls his eyes at me and walks away ... u can’t do anything about idiots like that in a wal mart or a grocery story but u sure as all heck can at a barber shop or gym or buety salon ...

I saw an interview with a dude that owned a gym i believe it was in Cali .. they have to have covid health inspectors inspect them before they can open .. the covid inspector said his gym was way more sanitized than any wal mart ...

Its NOT and either/or choice bro ...

We agree 100 percent on that bro



Look back on every post I ever made bro. I never once bashed you for your stance on Wall Street.



Once again we don't disagree on this. I have posted about the idiots (Both employees and customers at walmart on this subject)

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Then i go to Publix who does everything right and I’m looking at some steaks and some 30 something dude shoulders right up to me ... i walk away and glare at him ... he rolls his eyes at me and walks away ... u can’t do anything about idiots like that in a wal mart or a grocery story but u sure as all heck can at a barber shop or gym or buety salon ...[/quote]

Why can't you do anything? I have no problem telling folks in no uncertain terms stay the firetruck away from me anushole. Be it walmart, the Barber shop, gym, or Church.

I also have no problem with GYM's opening as long as they follow safe protocalls.

j/c:

The weak and the selfish get their way yet again. Why the hell do people NEED to go to a gym to work out? Why do people need a bar to enjoy beer and nachos? Why do folks need to have their nails done or their hair styled? Why do people need to go to crowded parks to enjoy nature? Too many are freaking soft and selfish. Or political. Eh 40?

He took it a bit too far, but Clem had a good point about wearing pants in public. We got all these soft-ass folks whining about their rights and being Americans rather than socialists, but we already have laws. Do you have to wear clothing in public? If so, let's riot and carry guns to protests that we are not Nazis or socialists.

Do we have to drive on a certain side of the street? Do we have to obey street signs? Traffic lights? Speed limits? If so, why? We have these measures in place to protect others. Yet, some of you soft-ass brats are crying because you can't congregate in public venues. Pffftttttt.........