Garrett has 7 Sacks in 7 Games this year 14 in in His first 18 games, now is it because we expect him to get sacks every week that we aren't talking about how great he is playing, or how great he will be throughout his career?
Not recognized has been his FORCED FUMBLES...only guys in the NFL ahead of him is MACK, Watt and Miller...great company to be around!
Sacks, he is tied with Watt. Von Miller half a sack ahead of him...and vikings Hunter and Aaron Donald both have 8. The kid is in his 2nd year and he is hanging with the best of the best!
I think once he learns a few more moves he will be the best to ever do it as a pass rusher, but he's really bad against the run. I think he needs to have his workload reduced until that part of his game gets better. Not as punishment, but just to keep him fresher for what he does really well. Not to mention trying to keep him healthy. Funny story, me and the family flew into cleveland last winter, it was after the season ended. Getting on the shuttle and myles and his dad get on. Myles had a roller and a guitar case..First I didn't think it was him but hard to mistake someone that big. ended up only ones on the elevator to bag claim as well. Nice guy, well spoken. You can tell he comes from a good family.
Before the season I said if Garret doesn't get 15 sacks this year it will be somewhat of a disappointment. However every week, I have called out his dominance with the exception of the Saints game where he was good, but not his usual great.
The kid is a superstar already and I think he's 22 years old? Surreal.
I’ve been an ardent fan and defender of Garrett on the post game threads. Lot of the previous posts echo what I think. The guy is top 5 at his position as a rusher. He’s young. He’ll get better if you can even imagine it. That is the kind of player you build around. How people can be remotely disappointed in his production and the impact he creates is beyond me but I’m not an X and O guy. He’s disruptive and he forces teams to game plan for him. He can get better but the edge rushing ability he has is phenomenal. To criticise his run defense, which has improved -watch the games and it’s not just Garrett not setting the edge - is like complaining your Ferrari doesn’t fit in parking spaces. With time he will start to recognise more and more and not get caught shooting upfield. He’s a bonafide blue chip talent, elite.
I don’t think Myles Garrett is ever offsides. I just think the refs have never seen someone get off the ball that fast.
I agree, I wish I could see replays of his (2?) false starts because I told my wife both times I think he went on the snap but moved so fast the refs thought he was offsides, and the networks never showed them again. Those two would have been slaughter sacks. The refs probably peed themselves a little. Maybe it's Garret's love of dinosaurs that make those moves look like a velociraptor attack.
I don’t think Myles Garrett is ever offsides. I just think the refs have never seen someone get off the ball that fast.
I agree. I even watched replays in slow mo - it’s so close it looks like he jumps but his explosion is simply stunning. I think he gets 20 sacks one season. And yes, he is routinely held without it getting called. Maybe it happens to all edge rushers, I don’t watch many to be fair outside ours.
I don’t think Myles Garrett is ever offsides. I just think the refs have never seen someone get off the ball that fast.
I agree, I wish I could see replays of his (2?) false starts because I told my wife both times I think he went on the snap but moved so fast the refs thought he was offsides, and the networks never showed them again. Those two would have been slaughter sacks. The refs probably peed themselves a little. Maybe it's Garret's love of dinosaurs that make those moves look like a velociraptor attack.
How many of those were there in the Chargers game when the now-fired ref screwed up the false start call?
I don't think anyone threw more support for drafting Myles than I did. I thought he was a slam-dunk first overall pick.
Thus, I have really high expectations for him and have watched him closely. I think I sometimes judge him too harshly because I want to see multiple sacks each game. However, the guy is among the league leaders in sacks and no one gets multiple sacks in every game.
Myles is progressing nicely. He is a force and he makes impactful plays. I also think the questions about his effort can be laid to rest. I also think that the coaching staff have reduced his reps a bit in the last few games and that's probably a wise move.
I don’t think Myles Garrett is ever offsides. I just think the refs have never seen someone get off the ball that fast.
I agree, I wish I could see replays of his (2?) false starts because I told my wife both times I think he went on the snap but moved so fast the refs thought he was offsides, and the networks never showed them again. Those two would have been slaughter sacks. The refs probably peed themselves a little. Maybe it's Garret's love of dinosaurs that make those moves look like a velociraptor attack.
How many of those were there in the Chargers game when the now-fired ref screwed up the false start call?
how many there??? Holds or Offsides???
The guy fired was a line judge who in Semi Pros, we use NFL rules have 6 refs, the most inexperienced refs are place as line judges cause all they got to do is look for offsides and figure out where the forward progress was at, which they all get wrong especially in the NFL not just our games but some of them are horrible. Not to be biased but that female ref line judge is TERRIBLE at spotting the ball! jmho
And he should be held to high expectations ... the guy was the first overall pick at a premier position. I know I've said he SHOULD be a Von Miller type player .. and maybe that's extreme, but he should definitely be a top 10% player at his spot (top 5 in the league)
I don't think anyone threw more support for drafting Myles than I did. I thought he was a slam-dunk first overall pick.
Thus, I have really high expectations for him and have watched him closely. I think I sometimes judge him too harshly because I want to see multiple sacks each game. However, the guy is among the league leaders in sacks and no one gets multiple sacks in every game.
Myles is progressing nicely. He is a force and he makes impactful plays. I also think the questions about his effort can be laid to rest. I also think that the coaching staff have reduced his reps a bit in the last few games and that's probably a wise move.
He looked gassed in the Oakland game, they need to monitor his fatigue in shootout type games like that.
I don't think anyone threw more support for drafting Myles than I did. I thought he was a slam-dunk first overall pick.
Thus, I have really high expectations for him and have watched him closely. I think I sometimes judge him too harshly because I want to see multiple sacks each game. However, the guy is among the league leaders in sacks and no one gets multiple sacks in every game.
Myles is progressing nicely. He is a force and he makes impactful plays. I also think the questions about his effort can be laid to rest. I also think that the coaching staff have reduced his reps a bit in the last few games and that's probably a wise move.
He looked gassed in the Oakland game, they need to monitor his fatigue in shootout type games like that.
True, and he got dinged up as well. But he was playing like his life depended on it. He was trying to single-handedly will his team to victory. Even the announcers mentioned it.
Myles Garrett is the 1st ELITE defensive player since the return that the Browns have had. I rate him higher than Watt or Miller simply based on the different blocking schemes he has to face because the Browns are often behind in the score and offenses can offer max protection. imagine if he played for KC how many sacks he would have 7 sacks for a DE playing for a team that is losing in the 4th q.. impressive
Watt and MG have a ways to go to get to Von Millers level ... he’s been doing and by doing it i mean TAKING OVER GAMES for 4 or 5 years now ...
MG and Watt have started to “flash” and are inching closer to Von Millers level but there not there yet ...
MG’s done it for 1/2 a year ... way to small of a sample size to put him in Von’s category yet ... he can certainly get there .. but he’s not there yet ... a ways to go for both of them IMO ..
Well, I was talking about current statistical production, not lifetime effort, and in that world, he is already von Miller's equal, as is Watt. They are all in the same conversation right now.
I have to agree with you, yet at the same time it's hard not to get excited that we have that potential on our team.
Excited ... i’m THRILLED bro ... out of my mind EXCITED for MG, Ward and a bunch of others we have ...
Dawg if Bake pans out ... we have a shot to be REAL SPECIAL ... i’ll Go ahead and walk out on that limb once again bro ...
WERE LOADED WITH YOUNG TALENT ... STACKED bro ... if Bake pans out and we fill a few holes witch is 100% doable with our cap space and a bunch of picks for possible trade equity to move up in the draft ... LOOK THE HECK OUT!!!!!!! ...
The Isle of Optimism was this years destination ... next years destination is yet to be determined ... but its gonna reach a lot higher than optimism as its final destination ..
Watt and MG have a ways to go to get to Von Millers level ... he’s been doing and by doing it i mean TAKING OVER GAMES for 4 or 5 years now ...
MG and Watt have started to “flash” and are inching closer to Von Millers level but there not there yet ...
MG’s done it for 1/2 a year ... way to small of a sample size to put him in Von’s category yet ... he can certainly get there .. but he’s not there yet ... a ways to go for both of them IMO ..
I agree 100%. To reach Von Miller's status you need VMs motor, play after play after play. Haven't seen that yet.
The Isle of Optimism was this years destination ... next years destination is yet to be determined ... but its gonna reach a lot higher than optimism as its final destination ..
Ahhhh... that's when you'll start charging for drinks! Crafty!
Do you have your Watts mixed up? TJ is the up-and-comer. JJ Watt won Defensive Player of the Year 3 times in his first 5 years. The only thing that has slowed him down are some injuries.
I think he is leading the way for Defensive Player of the Year again this year. Dude is a total stud and I think he might even be better than Miller.
7 games, constant double teams, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 24 tackles, 5 tackles for loss, 3 passes defensed ....... That's dominant, especially the way opposing offenses have played him.
Von Miller is still the gold standard, though. his line: 7 games, 29 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 2 fumbles recovered, 2 passes defensed, 7 tackles for loss.
I think that Myles is showing real signs of approaching that level though.
one thing Myles doesn't do that Von does: tackles for loss in the run game. He must improve his overall game. Games like SD and NO can't happen where they attack him in the run game
Just imagine how dominant he is going to be once he earns the refs respect and starts getting some of the holds called. Seriously needs STD testing after every game the way he gets mauled.
Let's not induct him int the hall of fame until his resume is complete...
I despise threads like this. He was a good draft choice, and not a bust. That is a rare feat for this team that hopefully changes.
If it were anyone else, I'd understand. But Garrett deserves the praise.
Garrett deserves the praise.
Ward deserves a similar amount of praise but is earlier in his career and I'd say it's too soon to talk about his greatness - at this stage it simply looks like a great pick.
Baker deserves some recognition for what he is showing us - at the hardest position (in all of sports?) to come in and play well as a rookie. He's not playing great yet - but you can see that he has a chance to be special.
There's some others that also deserve kudos - guys like Ogunjobi, Harrison, Randal. Others too but those guys come to mind first. Harrison might not have been great - but he is light years better than what I was expecting the drop off to be after we lost Joe to retirement.
I still think there is a ton to be positive about.
I was a little disappointed in Myles today. He started off okay, but he didn't get pressure when we really needed him to while the outcome was still in doubt and he had some questionable effort plays late in the game. It was similar to Jamie Collins' effort.
I was a little disappointed in Myles today. He started off okay, but he didn't get pressure when we really needed him to while the outcome was still in doubt and he had some questionable effort plays late in the game. It was similar to Jamie Collins' effort.
I agree with this.
I also agree with you that Ward is the best player on the team.
I wasn't happy hearing he called GW out either, if it's true. He's entitled to think whatever he wants, even voice his opinion, just keep it in house. Hope that's a teaching moment.
Side note: That missed FG sucked the wind out of everyone. Not an excuse, just sad to note.
I wasn't happy hearing he called GW out either, if it's true. He's entitled to think whatever he wants, even voice his opinion, just keep it in house. Hope that's a teaching moment.
Where would he get the idea that calling someone out publicly is a bad thing?
Myles Garrett slams Gregg Williams' defensive gameplan in loss to Steelers
By: Jeff Risdon
Myles Garrett is quickly becoming known for not holding back when he talks to the media. A week after he slammed the poor officiating in some recent Browns games, he turned the disappointing finger at his defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams. Garrett and the Browns defense got smoked by the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.
The defensive end and No. 1 overall pick of the 2017 draft didn’t like the game plan from Williams.
“I think we just took the wrong approach this time,” Garrett said after the game. “I think we should’ve just stayed with what we did the first time, just go with base calls and punch them in the mouth.”
It was working early. The Browns defense didn’t allow a 1st down in the 1st quarter. After that, the Steelers adjusted to the scheme and blew the doors off of Garrett’s unit.
No. 95 had some expanded thoughts on the lack of countering Pittsburgh’s adjustments,
“I just feel like we were moving around a lot in the front four and we were experimenting with some things, and I think we should’ve just stayed in our usual calls and just got after that, but we’ll go back and look at what we could’ve done better. They were able to adjust, and we have to do the same thing.”
Add that to the onion that is the ongoing criticism from all angles on the Browns coaching staff.
I know what you're trying to say but after reading the comment, I don't think Hue called haley out last week. He said he would get more involved. Nothing wrong with that.
I know what you're trying to say but after reading the comment, I don't think Hue called haley out last week. He said he would get more involved. Nothing wrong with that.
What about all the other times he called out coaches or players last year (when Myles Garrett was on the team)?
Also, Hue most definitely did call out Haley. He has basically admitted it. And the stories in the press don't come out if one of them isn't pissed.
Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams has “brought new attitude” to Browns Garrett moves on from what went wrong under Hue Jackson
DARYL RUITER NOVEMBER 02, 2018 - 5:08 PM
“It's Friday. That was a long time ago now. I mean, I wish the best to him, and I hope he's successful somewhere else. I don't know where that is,” Garrett said Friday. “I had a positive relationship with him all the time that I was here, but his opinion doesn't matter right now at this point for our team and our success going onward. I hope he goes somewhere else and he has success of his own.”
Garrett has embraced the changes made this week with defensive coordinator Gregg Williams now serving as interim head coach.
“[I] Feel like he's brought a new attitude to the whole team, not just the defense, and guys are just getting accustomed to it,” Garrett said. “Everyone's being positive about the changes and looking forward to what we can do on Sunday. I think guys are really coming out with a different kind of fire.”
Garrett has noticed a difference on the field this week.
“Just sharper. Feel like it's sharper on both ends,” Garrett said. “He's not just getting on our minds on defense, he's taking his role well and getting after the offense and defense and making sure that everything's crisp and smooth and there's no errors or mental assignments where you slip up, making sure that he has a hand in all that and nobody's slipping up.”
Garrett has turned his focus to the final 8 games of the season starting Sunday with the 7-1 Kansas City Chiefs instead of worrying about what Jackson had to say on ESPN Friday morning.
“I didn't watch it. I didn't go looking for it,” Garrett said. “I really don't base my performance or what I'm going to do in a game or how I should attack somebody off what somebody else is saying, what an outside source is saying. I go off what my coaches see and what I see and anybody outside of that is really a distraction. I'm just going to play my game.”
Garrett was pressed a bit on his lack of interest considering Jackson was his head coach to which he responded, “No longer.”
Myles Garrett doesn’t regret criticizing gameplan Sunday, calls it a learning experience
Updated 5:24 PM; Posted 5:24 PM
BEREA, Ohio -- Myles Garrett was critical of Gregg Williams’ gameplan last Sunday following the Browns’ 33-18 loss in Pittsburgh on Sunday. The next day, Williams was his new head coach.
Williams responded to the criticisms in his first press conference as interim coach on Wednesday by saying that one of the biggest gifts he has to offer is that his players and members of his coaching staff can blame him.
Garrett echoed that sentiment on Friday, when he spoke to the media for the first time since Sunday’s loss.
“Like he said, greatest gift is to put it on him,” Garrett said. “Don't plan to put it on him, plan to put it on myself, which is what I always do after a loss or even after a win. I can always do better, I can always find a way to make more plays and be more effective.”
After the game Sunday, Garrett said he thought the team took the wrong approach and should have stayed with what they did in the first matchup against the Steelers.
“I just feel like we were moving around a lot in the front four and we were experimenting with some things,” Garrett said on Sunday, “and I think we should’ve just stayed in our usual calls and just got after that, but we’ll go back and look at what we could’ve done better.”
Garrett said he and Williams discussed the comments “a little bit.”
“Just trying to get on the same page, where we're all comfortable doing what we're assigned to do,” Garrett said, “and we're not going to be bumping heads, not going to be any drama or turmoil between us or within the team. We're just going to all get after it an play our game.”
Garrett said he didn’t regret saying what he said after the game and that it led to the kind of dialogue he and his new coach are going to need to have the remainder of the season -- even if it wasn’t in the perfect forum.
“If I'm going to speak my mind, it would probably be best to speak it to him and not air out my frustration out there like that,” Garrett said, “but he understands. It's a learning experience.”
Garrett on Hue Jackson
Garrett and his teammates are dealing with the adversity of losing a head coach and the transition that comes with it. Meanwhile, their former head coach, Hue Jackson, is on a mini media tour. Jackson spoke exclusively to cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot on Thursday and then appeared on ESPN’s First Take on Friday morning. Garrett said he didn’t seek out Jackson’s appearance on the show.
“It’s Friday. That was a long time ago now,” Garrett said. “I mean, I wish the best to him, and I hope he’s successful somewhere else. I don’t know where that is. I had a positive relationship with him all the time that I was here, but his opinion doesn’t matter right now at this point for our team and our success going onward. I hope he goes somewhere else and he has success of his own.”
Myles Garrett put his hand on the ground for his first rep in team drills in his first NFL training camp in the summer of 2017. The Browns' No. 1 overall pick had been limited earlier in camp because of a high ankle sprain, so all eyes were on him. Garrett got to the quarterback, but it was the way he did it that left an impression on teammates. "He ran an offensive lineman over with one arm..." Browns defensive tackle Trevon Coley remembers, still amazed a year-and-a-half later. "When he hit the dude, the first thing that hit the ground was the dude's head. We were all standing there saying, 'Oh my God.'"
You shook my core Stirred by your trance Left me want wanting more After only a glance
Garrett knifed to the left of then-Jets guard James Carpenter in his first snap of his first regular-season game in October of 2017, and before Carpenter could turn his head around, he was past him and smothering quarterback Josh McCown.
Your smile made waves In the oceans of my mind Your eyes made slaves Of this man you came to find
Garrett took a snap in September of 2018 with the Browns 32 seconds away from their first victory in nearly 21 months, a shark striking at the scent of blood. Rookie QB Sam Darnold was on the other side of scrimmage, desperately trying to bring the Jets back from a four-point deficit. Garrett tried sprinting to his left and, rushing upfield, freed himself from offensive tackle Kelvin Beachum, bringing down Darnold down by his heels.
Your beauty bounds above the rest Leaving others in awe You are simply the best Anyone ever saw
Garrett came in from left end in December of 2018, powering Texans right tackle Kendall Lamm backward and then colliding with left tackle Julie'n Davenport a few feet behind quarterback Deshaun Watson. For a moment, it seemed, Garrett was lost in a mass of giants. And then an arm emerged from the chaos—Garrett's—dragging down Watson for a sack, with an assist from linebacker Joe Schobert.
You capture fools to kings Your love knows no peer Put on this earth for many things But love is why you're here
At 6'4", 272 pounds, Garrett has Instagram abs. He can jump higher than an NBA player (41" vertical) and burst quicker than a jackrabbit (1.63-second 10-yard split). When the Browns made him the first pick of the 2017 draft, there was nary an argument. A generational talent is what scouts have called him.
And there's more.
As interesting as he is imposing, he dreams of stepping in the ring with WBC heavyweight champ Deontay Wilder—and of writing a book filled with his poems like the one above.
Quarterback-imperiling, guitar-strumming, game-plan ruining, rom-com watching, halfback destroying, nature-walk taking, offensive-lineman steamrolling, Anita Baker playing—he is part warrior and part bard.
But somehow, the hard edges blend into the softness as if there were no dichotomy in Myles Garrett.
The Warrior
It was downtime in the NFL, and Myles Garrett was hanging with friends from college. They were playing something called "The Pain Game," in which cards are drawn to see how many pushups and situps each has to do.
As a result of one particularly unfortunate draw, Garrett had to do more than 100 consecutive pushups. By the time he was declared the "winner" of the game, he had done 564 pushups and 314 situps.
Two days later, he was still sore. Garrett is OK with pain, whether inflicting it or enduring it. He used to enjoy taping on boxing gloves, climbing between the ropes of a ring and sparring. Then it became difficult to find a willing opponent.
"Boxing is kind of like football in that you test each other's desire to be there," he says.
Someday, desires will be tested. For now, he hits the heavy bag, the speed bag and jumps rope.
He likes to train in different ways. The other day, it was soccer on the beach. Basketball was his first love and remains a passion. He could dunk when he was 12 years old, and he always has looked up to his older half-brother, Sean Williams, a former NBA player.
He recently caught an alley-oop pass and dunked with such ferocity that he shattered the backboard. The points he scored on the play won the game.
After posting a picture of himself beneath the mangled backboard, Garrett heard from new Browns coach Freddie Kitchens. The strong suggestion: Retire from basketball.
"All right," Garrett told him. "I hear you loud and clear. I'll focus on other training. There are other ways to do it."
It's all about being the best defensive end he can be. That explains why he works out twice a day—three hours first thing in the morning and three hours in the evening. And why he hasn't had a dessert in six years (since his last bite of his grandmother's chocolate cake). And why he doesn't drink soda. And why he's limiting pizza and pork to once a month.
When the Browns run sprints in practice, Coley says, Garrett runs so hard he nearly passes out.
The competitor in him can be traced his father, Lawrence, who refuses to lose. If they are playing a game of pool up to five and he is trailing, Lawrence will insist the game goes to 10. Then 15, and on and on.
His nerve comes from his mother, Audrey. When Garrett's brother, Sean, was accidentally kicked in the face by another boy after falling off a swing at school, Audrey went to school to check on him. When the other boy's father told her Sean needs to watch what he's doing, her reply was a right hook to the jaw.
"My mom gets aggressive," Garrett says. "She has no problem throwing down."
Her son is more even tempered but no less fierce. "He got that dog in him—that inner dog," Coley says. "Nobody gonna bully him. He doesn't take crap from anybody."
That explains why teammates voted Garrett a captain in his second season. He has the respect of every corner of the locker room.
He has the respect of opponents and fans too. They voted him to the Pro Bowl after he had 13.5 sacks last season. Garrett became one of only 15 pass-rushers in NFL history with 13-plus sacks in a season at the age of 23 or younger.
He is capable of much, much more.
"He has an enormous amount of potential," says retired offensive tackle Joe Thomas, Garrett's teammate in 2017. Citing Garrett's quickness, lower-body flexibility and strength, he adds: "I've never played against anybody who was like him. Von Miller has the same bendiness, the ability to turn the corner. DeMarcus Ware reminds me of the way he turns the corner. But DeMarcus was 250 to 260 pounds. Von is small. Myles is 275 pounds. He's a big man."
Garrett believes many more sacks are possible as his team evolves. With the acquisition of Odell Beckham Jr., more points—and more pass-rushing opportunities—could be forthcoming. There are reinforcements up front with the acquisitions of Olivier Vernon and Sheldon Richardson. And Garrett is counting on the change in the coaching staff to benefit him as well.
Ron Schwane/Associated Press "I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be," Garrett says. "[Former defensive coordinator and interim head coach] Gregg [Williams] was more like: 'You win with these two moves. I don't want to see anything else out of you.' It's kind of hard with two moves. I feel like you can't always be so predictable. You can be as strong or fast as you want, but speed chop and power move aren't always going to work. You have to mix up what you're doing. Sometimes you have to stutter step, sometimes you have to spin inside, you have to run some games. You have to have some freedom to throw different looks at them, and we didn't always have that."
Garrett and quarterback Baker Mayfield are the twin pillars the Browns will be built upon. And Garrett is pleased to share the responsibility with the second-year quarterback, in part because he admires the audacity with which he plays.
"We're quite different," Garrett says. "We're both confident in what we do. He carries his swag in a different way. I'm more to myself. I don't like to be as vocal. But you can take it to the bank I'm thinking I'm the best player on the field at any given time. He's just more likely to say it."
The Poet
When many of his contemporaries are Fortniting, Snapchatting or carousing under the moonlight, Garrett often is writing poetry.
He's not much into video games. Almost every weekly usage report from Apple tells him he's been on his phone less than he was the week before. Friends encourage him to make social media posts, but he would rather live in the moment.
Garrett says he never has touched weed—as a child, he felt it had a deleterious effect on his brother, Sean, and swore it off. He never had alcohol until he tried red wine a couple of months ago. "I took a sip and didn't like it," he says. "Not for me."
He recently went to a nightclub for only the second time in his life. He was with Coley and former teammate Emmanuel Ogbah. "It was funny to see my teammates and friends in that kind of environment," he says. "You see who's got some game. But I left early. It's not something I would do often."
Poetry, now that's something else. It pulses through his veins. He writes poems three or four times a week.
Garrett writes about feelings, not football. And there is not a lot of common ground. "When I'm doing sports, I don't feel anything at all," he says. "I enjoy the moment. It's a safe haven. But once you try to let someone inside your soul, you become vulnerable. You have to be comfortable in your own skin. I don't open myself up like that to a lot of people. It takes courage."
Tony Dejak/Associated Press When he writes, he prefers to do it longhand. If the inspiration hits at a certain time, typing it out on his phone will do. But he says when he writes longhand, it "feels like it flows through me better."
A book of poetry is in his future. His only dilemma is if it should be "by Myles Garrett" or if he will use a pseudonym. He's also working on a dinosaur book for children (Garrett has been a dinosaur fanatic since Jurassic Park came out on video when he was a child, and he wants to be a paleontologist after he retires from football).
Garrett has been writing regularly since he was about eight years old. His father's mother, Juanita Garrett, or "Gran" to him, loved poetry and literally gave him the pen and paper. "We didn't have much else to do," he says. "So we'd sit down and write."
One day, he and Gran watched the documentary Ali Rap about Muhammad Ali. "I was mesmerized," Garrett says. "He was one of the greatest boxers of all time, if not the greatest, and a great poet. He could tell you a story with his words. That's really what poetry is."
Gran eventually was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and passed away during Garrett's freshman year at Texas A&M, but Garrett keeps her alive in his verses and his demeanor.
Charming and disarming, Garrett smiles a lot. "His personality is just like [Gran's] and my husband's," Audrey Garrett says. "He was her last grandchild and her favorite. That was her baby."
After Gran's death, Garrett thought about getting a tattoo in her honor. But he's not about tattoos. Or piercings. Or rap music—he finds much of the subject matter is repetitive and tiring.
Garrett prefers listening to classic rock—Journey, Queen, the Rolling Stones—or soul—Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Teddy Pendergrass. That's the kind of music Mom and Dad always played on car rides.
Audrey describes her son as "nerdy." Many of his teammates undoubtedly would agree. He cries at sad movies. He escapes with anime. He finds peace taking photographs on nature walks. He's learning to play guitar.
Garrett always has been sensitive. Once when he was five years old, Garrett was engrossed in a television show.
Mom: "Myles, I need you to clean the bathroom."
No response.
Mom: "Myles! Get up and do your chores!"
No response.
Mom: "Myles!"
Mom: "OK, go get the spoon."
Garrett brought her the spoon, and she swatted his hands.
Mom: "Do you know why I did that?"
Garrett, crying: "Yes, but you didn't have to hit me. I promise if you get my attention next time, I'll do what you want."
And Mom never had to use the wooden spoon on him again.
It was a little different scenario when he was in college and his father asked him to kill a large "North Texas wasp" that had gotten in the house, according to the Players' Tribune. Garrett refused.
"Dad," Myles reasoned, "Everything on this Earth has a purpose and deserves the right to live."
Garrett thinks differently than most. His family sometimes played "The I Love You Game," in which each participant took a turn telling the others how much he or she loved them. I love you...more than there are grains of sand on the beach, or I love you...more than there are stars in the sky.
When he was six, Garrett said, "I love you like a sideways eight."
Sideways eight? The symbol for infinity.
"Now, at times after he makes a sack, people think he's making a heart on the field to celebrate," Audrey says. "He's making a sideways eight to tell us he loves us to infinity."
The Warrior Poet
Near the end of the movie Braveheart, William Wallace speaks of what his countrymen did in the First War of Scottish Independence.
"In the Year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland, starving and outnumbered, charged the fields of Bannockburn," he says. "They fought like warrior poets."
How does a warrior poet fight? As if the cause means everything. As if passion and nobility and determination and commitment are limitless.
If he wished, Garrett could be digging for fossils in South Dakota's Badlands. He could be writing sonnets in an artsy coffee shop. He could be shooting hoops, maybe in a massive arena in front of thousands.
But he's a football player. Why?
David Richard/Associated Press "I love it," he says. "I love the hitting. I love making the big play. I love being out there with my teammates. I love the camaraderie. I can't say I always love practice. But it's a means to an end. I want to have those big performances, those games you talk about years down the line. I want to win those big playoff games. I want to win a Super Bowl. I want to hold up the trophy. I want to splash Champagne on my teammates. I want to take care of my family for generations. I want to have my head turned into a bust in the Hall of Fame.
"Those things can only happen if I'm doing the best I can each and every day, looking out for my teammates and keeping out of trouble."
Former Browns defensive line coach Clyde Simmons says Garrett "has a chance to be one of the greats, as long as he stays healthy and continues to work on his craft." In January, Simmons, who played defensive end in an era when nasty was a prerequisite for his position, also said he thinks there are "some little things in there that I think he could be a little bit more aggressive about, a little nastier about."
To which Garrett says: "I'm the kind of guy who is always respectful of the game. I want to beat you, but I don't want to do anything dirty. I want to do it the clean way. You don't want to do something that hurts the team."
During practices one fall at Texas A&M, 6'5", 325-pound offensive tackle Germain Ifedi grew frustrated after repeatedly being shown up by Garrett. On one play, Garrett long-armed the blocker, and his arm slid up to his throat. Ifedi, who now is with the Seahawks, threw a punch. Garrett avoided it. Then Ifedi charged Garrett.
Instead of fighting back, Garrett extended his arm, grabbed Ifedi's facemask and held him at bay. Ifedi kept swinging but couldn't connect.
That's Garrett—thoughtful and forceful at once.
Garrett realizes the mind is a powerful thing, even in a physical confrontation. Thomas helped him understand how to be a thinking man's defensive end by studying the offensive tackle Garrett would oppose each week during his rookie year. Thomas would then give him three moves he thought could exploit his weaknesses.
"The nicest thing I can say about him is he's got the brain of an offensive lineman," Thomas says. "He's not like your typical dumb defensive lineman. He's cerebral and thoughtful, and that really helps with the way he attacks offensive linemen."
The forces within Garrett are not oppositional. They are complementary, yin and yang.
This is how he sees it: "I'm caring and loving and supportive of people who have been forces in my life and have guided me where I am today. But football is my job. If I lose my job, I can't be supportive of the people who have been there for me. The person in front of me is trying to take my job. I have to whup him, or he beats me and takes my job. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not out there to injure anybody, but I'm out there to hurt your will and make sure you don't want to do it anymore, take away your will to keep on fighting."
Of course, like any good poet, he has a vision.
He can become one of the legends of the game, like Lawrence Taylor. "I want to have the same impact on the game as LT," he says. "That's big talk because he's one of the best ever. But it's doable.
"I want to go down as the greatest player to ever play."
"I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be," Garrett says. "[Former defensive coordinator and interim head coach] Gregg [Williams] was more like: 'You win with these two moves. I don't want to see anything else out of you.' It's kind of hard with two moves. I feel like you can't always be so predictable. You can be as strong or fast as you want, but speed chop and power move aren't always going to work. You have to mix up what you're doing. Sometimes you have to stutter step, sometimes you have to spin inside, you have to run some games. You have to have some freedom to throw different looks at them, and we didn't always have that."
I thought this part was interesting. With Myles burst off the ball, an inside spin could be deadly. Of course, I can't say I can recall seeing how well he does it. If he can add a nice one to his arsenal, watch out.
Myles is a good player and might end up being great. He still has some things to improve upon. I think he is already a great person. He comes across as a great guy who is very analytical and intelligent.
"I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be," Garrett says. "[Former defensive coordinator and interim head coach] Gregg [Williams] was more like: 'You win with these two moves. I don't want to see anything else out of you.' It's kind of hard with two moves. I feel like you can't always be so predictable. You can be as strong or fast as you want, but speed chop and power move aren't always going to work. You have to mix up what you're doing. Sometimes you have to stutter step, sometimes you have to spin inside, you have to run some games. You have to have some freedom to throw different looks at them, and we didn't always have that."
I thought this part was interesting. With Myles burst off the ball, an inside spin could be deadly. Of course, I can't say I can recall seeing how well he does it. If he can add a nice one to his arsenal, watch out.
Unleash the beast. What are we looking at here, 17 sacks? I wish I had a buck for every time he got called for offsides last year when his speed and timing off the ball were precisely at the snap. I'd have at least three or four bucks, and he'd have at least that many more sacks.
However, that does not make him the right coach for every player.
Coaching is all about getting the most out of each player.
That does not mean just motivation. It also means teaching technique. Myles is a smart guy. Experience is a great teacher. Myles will figure out what he needs to do.
Gregg has not been a good coach in the new era of passing, his defenses were consistently in the bottom of the league, he played guys out of position and if even a part of what Mylses Garret said is true it confirms what I have believed since he got here. He is an antiquated coach…. A relic, someone who forces his system on the players and does not adapt to what they do well.
People liked him because he was vulgar not because he was elevating the play of our players.
I have a hard time watching Myles Garrett because I constantly see holding. Saying that, I am certainly no official and it may not be holding, but I scream at the TV so I pay less specific attention to him.
I thought even in the middle of his rookie year, if the Browns could just start winning, he might start getting those calls. Sounds paranoid but I truly believe successful teams/players get an advantage. I just seems like human nature to me. In your head there has to be an expectation for bad teams and good teams that influence how you call a game. I don't even blame them for calling it that way.
I would think that would be less so the lower the level of competition because the pros are so much more "famous" and their reputation precedes them.
However, that does not make him the right coach for every player.
I wanted him here and was so psyched when he took the position. He was the right man for the job at the time we needed attitude on defense the most. I count him as an integral part of the turnaround and for that, he will always hold a special place in my heart.
Why would Gregg limit him to two moves? Never really heard of that
I would probably say because Myles didn't have the best handwork when he came to the league and Greg probably wanted him to improve on the basics for a couple of years so that his technique could catch up with his physical ability.
PastorMarc, I pray you are right. That would be a huge achievement for him. Do you think it would be tougher if some other edge rushers are getting more sacks as well? Or do we just turn him loose, kinda like where his 'vanilla' is a "meet me at the QB", unleash-the-Kraken kind of call? I think a ferocious vanilla would be fine. Puts me in mind of what we had with Romeo Crennel as DC, if I remember rightly. We were absolute agents of chaos in the sack stats.
I loved watching that side of the ball then. Pass the popcorn for this group.
Turn him loose and hope the refs don't allow OT's to hold him constantly, he had 13 1/2 sacks while being held, Double Teamed and Tackled on his way to the QB. If the refs let it be know if you hold him I will throw the flag then Katy bar the door
Why would Gregg limit him to two moves? Never really heard of that
I would probably say because Myles didn't have the best handwork when he came to the league and Greg probably wanted him to improve on the basics for a couple of years so that his technique could catch up with his physical ability.
Gregg had a strange dichotomy. For all his talk of being aggressive and attacking, his scheme was inherently conservative in most ways.
Think of Peppers playing super deep or Schobert almost always dropping back.
We didn't really try to force the action that much. We did go for turnovers, but otherwise played things pretty safe. We always seemed to try to keep things in front of us.
While we did blitz a little less than 1/3 of the time, the coverage behind it seemed to often be rather conservative.
Contain seemed to be a large focus for our DEs. The moves he "allowed" would seem to be ones that still allow the DEs to be able to set the edge. An inside spin could give up that edge.
There are ways to mitigate that with quick thinking LBs.
That's not to say that ensuring there are few big plays is a bad thing. It is the desired outcome. Still, one would think there was a better way to go about it that didn't "hamstring" your best talent.
I think Gregg worried a bit too much about the running game in a passing league. Maybe worried about the outside run game too much to the detriment of our interior?
Knowing our DEs play outside almost exclusively and our MLB almost always drops does kind of leave a soft underbelly up the middle. Especially when both DTs are playing hurt.
while i understand Myles with regards to Williams, our new DC better be all that and a bag of chips. im concerned about whether he was the right hire or not.
and he gets to work with a way more talent than williams got to, as well. we we're ranked 30th last year while still being young and having tons of injuries, even though we had the 2nd most turnovers.
going from 30th to 25th or something like isn't an improvement worth firing williams over.
Lets think about how much Vernon is going to help his game! I think they were ranked 14 and 15 overall Defensive ends. This is going to be a great season for both. Hopefully this time next year we will have 2 top 10 Defensive ends O Lines cant stop both of them all day.
Gregg Williams is always the smartest guy in the room. his ego is legendary and so his failures. how many teams has he been with in his career? 7 8? the team is better off without him.trust me.
J/C - Say what you like about Williams, he went 5-3 and brought some pride back to the Browns - obviously along with Freddie and finding ourselves legit playmakers.
I share some of the views with regards to his schemes but the man can coach and galvanized the team post the Hue firing when it could have all gone South.
I wish him nothing but the best except when he's on the opposing sideline.
Looking forward to the entire DL - with Vernon on the opposite side and wait till you guys get a shock at the talent of Richardson. Add in Larry and then Avery coming in somewhere from the 2 point.... HAVOC!
yet for some reason Browns ownwrship and front office elected to hire Kitchens over Williams. Kitchens had never been a HC on any level. GW has been a HC on different occasions. Great GW won 5 games in a stretch that had one playoff team. hes a cereer interim. he never is one place for too long.
Yet I'm still not clear why you would be so derogatory towards a coach who was running this team at a time it turned around its entire season.
I'm not a huge GW fan. But I certainly enjoyed the 5-8 stretch we had in the last half of the 2018 season. And he was certainly a part of that. Now we can debate how big of a part he was, but he was here and the HC at the time.
Just a little confused why the need to take shots at him? I mean it's not like he left your mom at the alter or anything. I mean at least I don't think so.
Possibly the biggest turnaround of "THE TURNAROUND" was Kitchens complete revitalization of the Offense which lets face it was very key in the 5-3 game record. While the Defense remained the same under the same leadership which clearly tells us where the impact difference was made.
maybe that's why we chose Kitchens as opposed to Williams???
Possibly the biggest turnaround of "THE TURNAROUND" was Kitchens complete revitalization of the Offense which lets face it was very key in the 5-3 game record. While the Defense remained the same under the same leadership which clearly tells us where the impact difference was made.
maybe that's why we chose Kitchens as opposed to Williams???
Possibly the biggest turnaround of "THE TURNAROUND" was Kitchens complete revitalization of the Offense which lets face it was very key in the 5-3 game record. While the Defense remained the same under the same leadership which clearly tells us where the impact difference was made.
maybe that's why we chose Kitchens as opposed to Williams???
just saying
Oh, I'm quite happy with the selection of Kitchens as HC. What I'm having trouble understanding is why someone feels the need to disparage Williams. I'm not sure why someone would need to hurl personal insults towards him as I'm certainly not sure why him being here during the turnaround makes him a target for such comments from the poster I was addressing.
I think Freddie was the biggest factor for our turnaround by a wide margin. I just don't see how Williams derailed anything or got in Freddie's way so I'm not sure where his comments were coming from nor why.
can you imagine if GW was retained as HC how unhappy Garrett would have been? He probally would hVe told Beckham..."Im Gregg Williams the HC...you can only run 3 routes this year"
I'm with you Pit. Williams was put in a difficult position, and held the team together. He has true passion for the Browns, and I will always appreciate him for that. Without him holding it together, we may have never seen what Freddie could do. The whole thing could have fell apart very quickly.
I would like to add one thing though. I really feel that Baker, Landry, and Randall, to name a few, had just as much to do with the turnaround as the coaches did. I really feel the leadership Baker and the others showed was one of the main reasons the teams held together. I also think that that particular type of leadership is what is going to propel this team to the top of the league. What ever went on in that locker room as far as the players were concerned, is what makes me think that a turnaround is really coming to this franchise. These players genuinely play for each other IMO. That is what makes teams great.
I certainly agree that the players too deserve credit. In part I think Hue leaving had something to do with that as well. Once the players lose faith in their HC it doesn't take long for their performance to suffer from that.
I'm glad Hue was given an opportunity to see what he could do with some actual talent on the roster. After the coaching carousel we had here I think it was important to show coaches in the league that if you come to Cleveland, you will get a fair shot to succeed.
After what we witnessed in the first half of the season it would be very hard for anyone to say that Hue didn't get a fair shot and that it was obviously time for him to go.
Perhaps we needed Hue to remain another half year with the players revolting to get to this point. It's astonishing to me that it took some of our players less than 8 weeks to realize Hue's deficiencies and he was here 2.5 years.
It will also always bewilder me the amount of people who think good coaching is contingent on talent.
It's the little things like keeping Hue and realizing Kitchens is a great leader that have made the Browns who they are today. #butterflyeffect
Not really. A bad coach is still a bad coach regardless of talent.
While that's true, it's hard to know if he's bad when he isn't given the talent to win with. If he's given that talent and can't win it makes the answer obvious.
Not really. A bad coach is still a bad coach regardless of talent.
While that's true, it's hard to know if he's bad when he isn't given the talent to win with. If he's given that talent and can't win it makes the answer obvious.
A team with not enough talent to win will not win, regardless of the coach. Doesn't mean the coach is not a bad coach, but would be difficult to ascertain if he does not have the talent to work with.
The two are opposite sides of the same coin. You need both before it's worth anything.
Because we're on the outside looking in, it can be difficult to tell whether a team sucks because of comparatively poor talent or because of poor coaching/decision making simply because we are not privy to what is happening between them. We cannot judge if the problem is poor direction or poor execution without knowing what the directions given were, and we rarely get to know that with any certainty.
I don't think it's that difficult. All you have to do is draw on past data. For starters, the two years under Hue were historically bad seasons. Like serious outlier anamoly seasons. Then you have to ask yourself if his situation was that much different than any single coach for any team in the many, many years of the NFL. While being dealt a crappy hand it's hard to believe he's been one of the only coaches dealt a crappy hand in the history of the NFL. Yet he produced the worst results.
Not without it's holes, but to say we needed to see Hue with some talent to decide whether he was a bad coach or not is a bit of a reach when you consider the history of the NFL. I mean when you start talking about serious outlier seasons you're probably safe to jump to some conclusions.
I don't think it's that difficult. All you have to do is draw on past data. For starters, the two years under Hue were historically bad seasons. Like serious outlier anamoly seasons. Then you have to ask yourself if his situation was that much different than any single coach for any team in the many, many years of the NFL. While being dealt a crappy hand it's hard to believe he's been one of the only coaches dealt a crappy hand in the history of the NFL. Yet he produced the worst results.
Not without it's holes, but to say we needed to see Hue with some talent to decide whether he was a bad coach or not is a bit of a reach when you consider the history of the NFL. I mean when you start talking about serious outlier seasons you're probably safe to jump to some conclusions.
I like what you said here.
0-16 is incredibly difficult to achieve, and we almost did it twice.
But i'm incredibly happy where we are, so if 40 games of Hue was necessary to get here, so be it.
Glad to see all this information about Myles Garrett and not the same old agenda crap.
Myles Garrett was my second favorite draft choice, after Joe Thomas, since the Browns have come back. I got into a lot of debates leading up to that draft. I was adamant that we should draft him. Thank goodness we did.
With that said, I would like to see Myles make that next step this year. He's been good. Dominant at times, but somewhat inconsistent. I expect more from him. No pass rusher is always going to always get home, but he can't allow a single blocker to neutralize him as often as it has been occurring.
I think he is extremely smart and a hard worker. I think he is unbelievably gifted. I think Vernon will help him. I think it would be great if he takes the next step........the one that I always envisioned when I watched him in college and becomes one of the top three edge rushers in the entire league.
I remember watching him a few years ago in the first game of the year when he was at Texas A&M. I think they were playing UCLA. I came on here in one of the college threads and said he was the best player in the nation. I didn't realize he wasn't eligible for the draft that year. The dude is a true freak of nature. We throw that word around a lot, but he really is. I want him to take that next step this year. It would be huge for our team.
Sorry to throw the Myles Garrett commentary in here while device and company are still talking about Hue, but I couldn't figure where else to put my thoughts on Myles Garrett.
Sorry to throw the Myles Garrett commentary in here while device and company are still talking about Hue, but I couldn't figure where else to put my thoughts on Myles Garrett.
It must be one helluva strange, disorienting experience to be horse-collared like that.
On second, you're upright, scanning the field. The next... you're being bent backwards at a high velocity. Your vision swims from the field to the stands, and then to the sky ("what an amazing shade of blue-") just before...
BAM.
"Oh, fuh-SHEEZY..."
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"Head, shoulders- I'm your new friend, Myles. I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Mr. Turf. You can trust that whenever I grab you by the collar, he'll always be there to have your back."
It's bad. I had it happen a couple of times, but mostly no one could catch me. LOL
What is worse is being hit head on. The two worst hits I endured were after interceptions. I was running routes out of the backfield and the ball was picked. I immediately turned and chased in both instances just like I always did in such situations and was blind-sided on peel-back blocks that I did not see until it was too late.
Dude, talk about your world being rocked. You are running full speed and are a bit disoriented as it is and some big-ass dude comes flying at you full speed and hits you head to head, chest to chest, and rocks your entire freaking world.
I suffered 1 of my 7 concussions on one of those plays. You're my age. You know how it was. I went back in the damn game. LOL
I was never upset w/the dudes who laid me out because I did the same to others when the roles were reversed. It was a tough game and we all KNEW what to expect.
I got layed out 1 time by a 5'9", maybe 160 receiver. Running play to my side. I had outside contain. Had the back dead to rights and all of a sudden - BAM. The wide out had come back and I'm not joking, hit me so hard as I was in pursuit that my feet .........well, lets just say my body stopped moving, and my feet reached the height of where my head should've been.
This could go here or in the McCoy thread. I'm putting it here because of the parts about Garrett having more freedom in pass rushing moves under Wilks.
AKRON, Ohio -- Odell Beckham Jr. took to Instagram on Monday night to lobby for former Buccaneers defensive lineman Gerald McCoy to join him in Cleveland. Myles Garrett wasn’t ready to do the same on Tuesday.
Garrett took part in a groundbreaking at Ellet High School for a new synthetic turf field as part of an initiative by Browns owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam. This will be the ninth field installed since 2016 and will be completed prior to the start of the 2019 school year.
Following the ceremony, Garrett joked that Beckham should worry about his side of the ball when his lobbying for McCoy was brought up. He also didn’t take the opportunity to join in the recruiting efforts.
“What they decide to do, I’ll be OK with and I’ll accept it and move on,” Garrett said, “but I think we’re good with what we have.”
It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that Garrett is sticking with the guys already on his team. During the run-up to the 2018 NFL Draft, when edge rusher Bradley Chubb seemed a real possibility for the Browns with the No. 4 overall pick in the draft, Garrett spoke highly of then-teammate Emmanuel Ogbah and the havoc he believed they could wreak together.
Ogbah never met those expectations in 2018 and the Browns acquired Olivier Vernon and traded Ogbah in April to Kansas City in exchange for Eric Murray. They also added Sheldon Richardson inside next to Larry Ogunjobi. Garrett sounded happy with that group on Tuesday.
“I’m always going to be passionate about the guys we have in the locker room because they’ve always been OK with me, they’ve always done right by me," Garrett said, "so I have no problem playing with them, going out there and sweating, bleeding and winning with them.”
Garrett even went so far as to predict Ogunjobi joining him in the Pro Bowl.
“I don’t think people have been able to see all of Larry,” Garrett said. “I think that first year we both were just getting our first looks at the NFL. Some people come in and have this gigantic splash, some people just got to smoothly transition into it and I think he made that large leap last year, he was just a little bit hindered (by a torn biceps). I think he’s out for a breakout year.”
Making moves: Earlier this month, Garrett revealed in an article by Bleacher Report’s Dan Pompei that former Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams limited him to two pass rush moves.
“I hopefully have more freedom to be the player I want to be,” Garrett told Pompei. “Gregg was more like: ‘You win with these two moves. I don’t want to see anything else out of you.’ It’s kind of hard with two moves.”
Garrett said on Tuesday that it was Williams, not him, who picked the moves and he’ll have more freedom this year under new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks.
“He’s seen what I can do with just those limited amount of moves as he pointed out to me. So I think I’ll be able to surprise him this year,” Garrett said.
Garrett ended up with 13.5 sacks a season ago but felt like he would have had more, even if he didn’t want to say how many more.
“I don’t want to put a number on that,” he said.
His comments didn’t lead to any kind of meeting with Wilks or new head coach Freddie Kitchens, either.
“They joked with me about it that next day but they want the best for me,” Garrett said. “They want me to go out there and be the best player I can be.”
Learnin’ from Vernon: Garrett is getting his first exposure to Vernon this spring since the trade that brought him here. He sees the addition of a veteran pass rusher as a good thing.
“He’s been in this league for a while now, he’s played with some of the best, so he’s picked up a couple things along the way,” Garrett said, “so I’m hoping that he’ll be willing to share some knowledge.”
As for Vernon’s personality:
“He’s probably the most relaxed person I’ve ever met besides me," Garrett said. "He doesn’t show any emotion, he’ll come off the edge, all of a sudden he’ll hit a move on you and it’s just like he wasn’t there. He’s really calm, collected.”
New fields: The field in Ellet is the second the Browns have broken ground on scheduled for completion this year. The team officially broke ground on a new synthetic turf field at Boys Hope-Girls Hope of Northeastern Ohio last week.
Last year, Lorain City School District’s George Daniel Field and Toledo’s Roy C. Start High School received new fields.
Five fields in the city of Cleveland received new fields to kick off the program. Roye Kidd Stadium, James F. Rhodes Stadium and Bump Taylor Stadium were renovated prior to the 2016 high school football season, while John Adams High School and John Marshall High School were updated prior to the 2017 campaign.
“Being a part of this moment, knowing that this is a large part of their lives as well, just being able to come out here and showcase their talents and then go back in the classroom feeling a little bit better about themselves and wanting to do better,” Garrett said, “being a part of that meant a lot to me.”
I don't recall how I found this site, something to do with the draft. I'm really starting to enjoy reading these articles. This one gave me something to think about concerning Myles latest comments about McCoy. I can only say that I was mildly uncomfortable with Myles' remarks before reading the article. Afterward, I had a better appreciation for how he handled the questions about McCoy
Pete Smith by Pete Smith 12 hrs Myles Garrett is being criticized despite giving the perfect answer to a roster question as if the 23-year old third year player needs to be in the business of telling the Cleveland Browns which players they need to go get.
At a groundbreaking ceremony to put in a brand new field at Ellet High School courtesy of the Cleveland Browns, Myles Garrett was asked if he thought the Browns needed to add Gerald McCoy to their defensive line. Garrett responded by standing up for his teammates and suggesting the Browns didn't need McCoy, a player that Garrett can do nothing about in regards to signing. And he's receiving criticism for it.
Myles Garrett can say the Browns need Gerald McCoy and be seen saying a team poised to make a playoff run doesn't have enough talent while also being seen telling his teammates aren't good enough to get there. It doesn't do the Browns any good for Garrett to acknowledge weakness for a team that has expectations when he as much control in a decision to sign McCoy as I do.
Garrett would get just as far if he said the team needed Aaron Donald or Reggie White. He has no ability to impact anything other than openly questioning the talent of his teammates and giving the impression the Browns need help.
And in the event the Browns don't sign McCoy, Garrett's gonna need the teammate that is kept as a result to perform at a high level. Undermining him doesn't help.
And Cleveland fans should be able to relate to this after experiencing about a decade of LeBron James. James had the power to effectively get players dealt or openly ask for help. And in some respects, he was applauded for it as he was cracking the proverbial whip to put pressure on the organization to compete for a championship. He was also a terrible teammate in those situations, willing to throw his teammates under the bus.
When he was far and away the best player in the world, he could get away with it. He was great enough to where people were willing to put up with it in pursuit of a championship, playing alongside one of the best ever to do it.
Contrast that to LeBron now, who this past season was pretty open about the team needing to acquire Anthony Davis in order for the Los Angeles Lakers to be good enough for him. Combine the fact he killed his teammates in public and any notion of chemistry as well as LeBron dealing with an injury that sidelined him for a significant portion of the season, the team went from fourth place in the West to a listless lottery team hoping to somehow win the #1 overall pick.
At just 23 years old, Garrett is showing a wisdom that isn't typical of players that young in professional sports. Support your teammates to the hilt. Care about them, so when you need them to step up, you can call on them and they will listen.
Does anyone really believe that if the Browns do sign Gerald McCoy that Garrett is going to go up and tell him to get out, the Browns don't need him? At that point, he simply defaults to the organization and then supports his new teammate the same way he did the others. It's the smartest play he can make.
Garrett did the exact same thing when it came to standing up for Emmanuel Ogbah. While he may have been disappointed to see Ogbah go, he doesn't look unhappy with having Olivier Vernon on the team now. It's a no-lose situation.
“I’m always going to be passionate about the guys we have in the locker room because they’ve always been OK with me, they’ve always done right by me, so I have no problem playing with them, going out there and sweating, bleeding and winning with them.” - Myles Garrett per Cleveland.com
This is what players want in a leader. Football becomes such a bunker mentality that is constantly reinforcing the idea that it's 'us against the world' and this plays right into it. It's completely on point.
If people are going to criticize Garrett, it should be for suggesting Odell Beckham needs to stay on his side of the ball. Again, Garrett is standing up for his guys and Beckham has been a Brown for 20 minutes, so he wants to establish a precedent that he shouldn't criticize teammates, especially when he hasn't been there long enough to know them. Garrett could have worded it better or simply not commented on that part at all, but the message is consistent.
Freddie Kitchens lectured the media on attempts to divide the team. This is a great example and Garrett deftly avoided the situation, saying exactly what his coach would want, what Kitchens would say if he was asked. Rather than criticizing Garrett, it might be time to learn from him.
Glad that I looked over recent post because I was about to add that Jake Burns article. There has been a lot of speculation about what Wilks' scheme will look like. This article gives us another hint about the front. Wilks may do something totally unlike what Burns suggests but it seems like Garrett will line up a lot more often at LDE and Vernon will have an increase of LDE snaps but not as much as G-Rex.
I also expect Vernon's sack production to take an uptick. He faced some of the best tackles in the league in the NFC East Div. The tackles in our division are a bit less formidable.
Garrett is going to have a monster year with Vernon on the opposite side
I think it's even more than that. We have 4 seriously good DL all the way across the line. Vernon isn't the only one who will take pressure off Garrett. Ogunjobi has 52 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 7 tackles for loss. Richardson had 4.5 sacks, 46 tackles, and 3 for loss.
We see NFL defenses trying to put pressure on the QB right in his face, and I think we are set up well to do this. I expect that Larry and Sheldon will have 12 or 13 sacks, combined.
Garrett is going to have a monster year with Vernon on the opposite side
I think it's even more than that. We have 4 seriously good DL all the way across the line. Vernon isn't the only one who will take pressure off Garrett. Ogunjobi has 52 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 7 tackles for loss. Richardson had 4.5 sacks, 46 tackles, and 3 for loss.
We see NFL defenses trying to put pressure on the QB right in his face, and I think we are set up well to do this. I expect that Larry and Sheldon will have 12 or 13 sacks, combined.
Should be a fun year.
I agree YTown I neglected to mention Ogynjobi and Richardson which I should have, those two will put pressure in the QB's face then Garrett and Vernon will clean it up
- The squatting in NCAA and NFL weight rooms never ceases to amaze me, and not in a good way. It's the classic 'add weight, reduce depth' thing (all while looking at the ceiling, putting the neck/cervical spine in hyperextension) that you expect to see in a high school weight room. Where is the strength and conditioning coach at and why is he letting the players squat like that?
A daughter of a good friend works at an eatery off Rockside Road. Myles came in and she served him. She said he was the nicest, most impressive specimen of a man she'd ever seen or met. Absolutely ZERO air cockiness or celebrity in him.
A daughter of a good friend works at an eatery off Rockside Road. Myles came in and she served him. She said he was the nicest, most impressive specimen of a man she'd ever seen or met. Absolutely ZERO air cockiness or celebrity in him.
two years ago after last game of his rookie year, I rode the same tram to airport as he and his dad. Myles had a guitar with him..we ended up on the same elevator alone with his dad and my fam. I don't get star struck and I don't go gaga over meeting professional athelete(have met several). I usually let them alone or just shake their hands and say I enjoy watching you. Don't go after autographs. Most are appreciative. That being said MG was so humble and laid back, shook my hand and said he appreciated the fans here that they made him feel extremely welcome. Genuine nice guy
How much was MG benching in that video? It looked to me about 400 but I wasn't sure.
Don't get caught up in those numbers at 47 years old I was working out and doing three sets of 25 at 225 pounds in the bench press. Thats why I laugh when guys who weigh 300 pounds can't even do one set of 25 at the combine. I could however never measure up to the big guys of both sides of the line even when I could out bench press them by a mile.
A daughter of a good friend works at an eatery off Rockside Road. Myles came in and she served him. She said he was the nicest, most impressive specimen of a man she'd ever seen or met. Absolutely ZERO air cockiness or celebrity in him.
I believe this story. Does anyone remember the segment on Hard Knocks where Myles was trying to help Nate Orchard? He is class personified.
I was referring more to his form than the weight.His upper body is way too far forward placing alot of strain on his lower back. As I've gotten older I've moved into the lower weight more reps camp,volume training.Less injuries but the results are similar. As a matter of fact,I was doing the Bulgarian Method for quite some time,pure torture.But if those Godless Commies can do it,so can I.
CLEVELAND — Myles Garrett has been a different player through the first nine practices of training camp. He’s made life miserable for the offensive tackles and should pay rent for all the time he’s spent in the backfield.
He looks faster, more explosive, more consistent and more motivated.
There’s a reason.
The defensive end’s 6-foot-4 frame got even more chiseled during the offseason, as he dropped 10 pounds to 262, the lowest weight of his three-year career.
“I’m feeling lighter on my toes and a little bit faster, fast like I was in college,” Garrett said Saturday after dominating yet again in the Orange & Brown Scrimmage at FirstEnergy Stadium. “I just felt like I needed my old speed back and I just tried to keep the strength that I had the last two years and see if I could combine that and see if there’d be a frightening mix.”
Speed and scary go together for Garrett. He said he ran a 4.4-second 40-yard dash at Texas A&M while weighing 252 as a freshman and to begin his sophomore year. He won’t go that low again but said 262 feels right as he thinks about longevity for his career.
“So that was something I’ve been looking at,” he said. “LeBron and his kale smoothies and all that, it’s just taking care of your body and making sure you’re playing at the weight that’s most comfortable to you. And 272, there were a lot of parts of the season uncomfortable for me.
“Best I’ve felt in a very long time. Just trying to keep that same health throughout the duration of the season.”
Garrett, who has aspirations of a 20-sack season and Defensive Player of the Year honors, said the Browns trusted him to do what he felt was best.
“They believed it would be something that would be good for me and beneficial to my game and we’d just kind of see what I could do with it,” he said. “If I came out here and I looked sluggish or I didn’t look as strong, they’d definitely tell me to gain that weight back, but since it’s been looking good, they’re going to keep on following my lead.”
Despite changing his diet to one big meal, two snacks and multiple waters a day, he said his power remains and he’ll still be able to set the edge against the run.
“Absolutely. I don’t think there’s any difference,” he said. “Speed helps get power. If you’re under somebody’s pads, you’re always going to win. I feel like I’m going to be low enough and I’m going to come hard enough that it’s going to be set every single time.”
Coach Freddie Kitchens has another reason for Garrett’s improved performance from a year ago.
“He is playing every down,” he said.
Garrett had 13.5 sacks and made the Pro Bowl last season but didn’t dominate down in and down out. His early status as camp MVP shows that has changed, too.
“He has been very consistent,” Kitchens said. “Myles has a high expectation of himself. We have just as high of expectation of him as he does himself. We are going to hold him to that, and he is going to hold himself to that.”
In the moment, quarterback Baker Mayfield might not appreciate Garrett in his face or breathing down his neck before he can reach the fifth step in his drop. But given time, Mayfield sees the benefit for himself and the team.
“Myles has been great,” he said. “Anytime you can compete against a guy like that, it challenges everyone in the offense. It challenges me to get the ball out quicker.
“Going up against a guy like that disrupts you so much, it is great practice for us.”
Garrett owned a team drill Saturday. He forced Mayfield to scramble with inside pressure and followed with a sack and then a pressure around the edge where he looked as if he could’ve taken the ball out of Mayfield’s right hand.
“I could have ripped it away and been in the end zone, but it’s part of playing the game inside the game,” Garrett said. “It’s just rushing right now, making your teammates better and getting that 5-on-5 and finishing avoiding the quarterback.”
He called himself “a different breed” of pass rusher and said left tackle Greg Robison won’t face anyone like him during the regular season. And he’s lighter despite having a chip on his shoulder after being ranked No. 49 on NFL Network’s Top 100 list.
“I’ll never be anything higher than No. 49 again unless I’m ending my career, then it’s time to get out of there,” Garrett said. “If I reach 49 again, it’s time to call it a day, but bigger and better things are ahead for all of us and myself.”
That’s one of the first things that Coach Kitchens ever said to us, when he took over the team. He said, “Listen, fellas — I’m just a big ol’ redneck from Alabama. Nobody ever figured I’d be here today as an NFL Head Coach. Nobody. I’m not supposed to be here. But you know what? I’m here.”
When people ask me what’s different about the Browns this year, what’s different about this city, and this football program — those words from Coach always come to my mind.
That mentality that Coach Kitchens brings….. I think we’ve all adopted it. It’s just who we are now, you know what I mean? We have a lot of players here who, in one way or another, they’ve been underdogs their whole career. Players who got to the league, or got to this franchise, and all they’ve known since then is losing. And our fans are the same way: We have these amazing fans — but a lot of them, they’ve never watched a Browns playoff game in their lives.
And I think in other years, maybe, that history has made people feel like there could never be a winner here. In other years, I feel like people would just be saying, you know, The Browns? Nah, they’re not going to win — because they never win. They’re not SUPPOSED to win.
The Browns aren’t supposed to be here.
And it just feels like starting last year, and into this summer, and now as we’re getting ready for Week 1 of this new season….. all of a sudden it’s like we took that saying and we flipped it. We’ve gone and taken what a Cleveland Browns team is “supposed” to do, in people’s minds, and we’ve changed that from this curse into this gift. Into an opportunity.
And that’s what our team has always been about, to me, for as long as I’ve been here.
Opportunity.
I saw it even when we went 0–16, in my rookie year. A lot of locker rooms, they go on a losing streak like that, and you’ll see it tear them apart. You’ll see a lot of giving up. You’ll see a lot of hopelessness. But our room, man, it just wasn’t like that at all. You’d see guys talking about a 50-50 ball they could have gotten, but they didn’t, and how can they fix that. You’d see guys talking about how many of our losses were by one score or less, and how we’re right there in these games. And to me that says a lot. You had this group of players that was going 0–16, and getting laughed at by the sports world. But in our locker room? It’s like those weren’t even 16 losses to us. They were just 16 missed opportunities.
And if you want to know why Baker clicked so fast with this team last year, I think that’s your answer there too.
Most people, they probably think that Baker’s “welcome to the team” game came in one of those early comeback wins he led us to. But it wasn’t one of those. Actually, it wasn’t even a win.
It was Week 13 against the Texans. We were 4–6–1. They were 8–3, on an eight-game winning streak. Huge game for us. Needed a win to stay in the playoff race.
And they came out and they just punched us in the mouth. Baker threw three picks in the first half, I think. We all played terrible. And we ended up down 23–0.
But then at halftime of that game….. I remember, I watched Baker closely. Wanted to see what he was about, you know — in a real moment of adversity. And here’s what I saw: He didn’t get mad. He didn’t get frustrated. He wasn’t yelling at himself, or trying to blame other guys, or making some big kind of scene. At the same time, though, he also wasn’t faking it. He wasn’t on some fake positive vibe. Nah.
He just….. didn’t say a word.
That’s right. Baker didn’t say one word, that whole halftime. He just kept to himself, minded his own business, and got ready to go back out there. And it’s hard to explain how that works — you really have to know football, and know this team. But just by Baker not saying a word? It was almost like he was refusing to acknowledge that that half had even happened. Like he had the power to just….. reject it or something. It was wild. And whatever it was — coming out for the second half, he had this team FIRED. UP.
Baker went for like 350 yards in that second half, we scored a couple of touchdowns, plus we kept them out of the end zone on D….. and it wasn’t nearly enough. We lost — bad. 29–13. But that was one of those losses where, even in the moment, you could see a silver lining. Because guys came away from it knowing Baker was for real. They came away from it knowing we had a quarterback.
And since then….. I guess things have been a little crazy.
We won three in a row off of that Texans game. Almost reached the playoffs. Made strong moves all spring and summer. Traded for Odell. Our offense is getting more and more experience in Coach’s system. Our younger vets like myself are a year older, smarter, better. The city is rocking. It’s an exciting time for this organization.
And it’s shaping up to be one of those special seasons.
But before any of that gets started, you know, I really just wanted to write this down, and say a quick thank you to Cleveland, and Browns fans everywhere. I know it hasn’t always been easy. I know there’s been 0–16, and 1–15, and some tough years on top of that. But y’all have stuck with us the entire way. Y’all are THE best fans in the whole NFL. And whatever happens from now….. we’re going to take it one game at a time, together.
Because we’re the Cleveland Browns — and we’re not supposed to be here.
That’s one of the first things that Coach Kitchens ever said to us, when he took over the team. He said, “Listen, fellas — I’m just a big ol’ redneck from Alabama. Nobody ever figured I’d be here today as an NFL Head Coach. Nobody. I’m not supposed to be here. But you know what? I’m here.”
When people ask me what’s different about the Browns this year, what’s different about this city, and this football program — those words from Coach always come to my mind.
That mentality that Coach Kitchens brings….. I think we’ve all adopted it. It’s just who we are now, you know what I mean? We have a lot of players here who, in one way or another, they’ve been underdogs their whole career. Players who got to the league, or got to this franchise, and all they’ve known since then is losing. And our fans are the same way: We have these amazing fans — but a lot of them, they’ve never watched a Browns playoff game in their lives.
And I think in other years, maybe, that history has made people feel like there could never be a winner here. In other years, I feel like people would just be saying, you know, The Browns? Nah, they’re not going to win — because they never win. They’re not SUPPOSED to win.
The Browns aren’t supposed to be here.
And it just feels like starting last year, and into this summer, and now as we’re getting ready for Week 1 of this new season….. all of a sudden it’s like we took that saying and we flipped it. We’ve gone and taken what a Cleveland Browns team is “supposed” to do, in people’s minds, and we’ve changed that from this curse into this gift. Into an opportunity.
And that’s what our team has always been about, to me, for as long as I’ve been here.
Opportunity.
I saw it even when we went 0–16, in my rookie year. A lot of locker rooms, they go on a losing streak like that, and you’ll see it tear them apart. You’ll see a lot of giving up. You’ll see a lot of hopelessness. But our room, man, it just wasn’t like that at all. You’d see guys talking about a 50-50 ball they could have gotten, but they didn’t, and how can they fix that. You’d see guys talking about how many of our losses were by one score or less, and how we’re right there in these games. And to me that says a lot. You had this group of players that was going 0–16, and getting laughed at by the sports world. But in our locker room? It’s like those weren’t even 16 losses to us. They were just 16 missed opportunities.
And if you want to know why Baker clicked so fast with this team last year, I think that’s your answer there too.
Most people, they probably think that Baker’s “welcome to the team” game came in one of those early comeback wins he led us to. But it wasn’t one of those. Actually, it wasn’t even a win.
It was Week 13 against the Texans. We were 4–6–1. They were 8–3, on an eight-game winning streak. Huge game for us. Needed a win to stay in the playoff race.
And they came out and they just punched us in the mouth. Baker threw three picks in the first half, I think. We all played terrible. And we ended up down 23–0.
But then at halftime of that game….. I remember, I watched Baker closely. Wanted to see what he was about, you know — in a real moment of adversity. And here’s what I saw: He didn’t get mad. He didn’t get frustrated. He wasn’t yelling at himself, or trying to blame other guys, or making some big kind of scene. At the same time, though, he also wasn’t faking it. He wasn’t on some fake positive vibe. Nah.
He just….. didn’t say a word.
That’s right. Baker didn’t say one word, that whole halftime. He just kept to himself, minded his own business, and got ready to go back out there. And it’s hard to explain how that works — you really have to know football, and know this team. But just by Baker not saying a word? It was almost like he was refusing to acknowledge that that half had even happened. Like he had the power to just….. reject it or something. It was wild. And whatever it was — coming out for the second half, he had this team FIRED. UP.
Baker went for like 350 yards in that second half, we scored a couple of touchdowns, plus we kept them out of the end zone on D….. and it wasn’t nearly enough. We lost — bad. 29–13. But that was one of those losses where, even in the moment, you could see a silver lining. Because guys came away from it knowing Baker was for real. They came away from it knowing we had a quarterback.
And since then….. I guess things have been a little crazy.
We won three in a row off of that Texans game. Almost reached the playoffs. Made strong moves all spring and summer. Traded for Odell. Our offense is getting more and more experience in Coach’s system. Our younger vets like myself are a year older, smarter, better. The city is rocking. It’s an exciting time for this organization.
And it’s shaping up to be one of those special seasons.
But before any of that gets started, you know, I really just wanted to write this down, and say a quick thank you to Cleveland, and Browns fans everywhere. I know it hasn’t always been easy. I know there’s been 0–16, and 1–15, and some tough years on top of that. But y’all have stuck with us the entire way. Y’all are THE best fans in the whole NFL. And whatever happens from now….. we’re going to take it one game at a time, together.
Because we’re the Cleveland Browns — and we’re not supposed to be here.
I understand that he is a world class athlete,but too much weight and really bad form leads to injury.Who in the hell is running that gym.
FWIW: this isn't bad form, this is a Low-Bar Back Squat. Low-Bar has the bar sitting behind the shoulders, back of the deltoids. A low-bar squat engages the posterior chain (hamstrings, glutes, lower back) more, results in more torso lean due to the position of the load, but also enables you to move a bit more weight than the more traditional High-Bar position.
I understand that he is a world class athlete,but too much weight and really bad form leads to injury.Who in the hell is running that gym.
FWIW: this isn't bad form, this is a Low-Bar Back Squat. Low-Bar has the bar sitting behind the shoulders, back of the deltoids. A low-bar squat engages the posterior chain (hamstrings, glutes, lower back) more, results in more torso lean due to the position of the load, but also enables you to move a bit more weight than the more traditional High-Bar position.
Ok... I wanted to complain about his form as well... but I held off to see if what he was doing was actually legit. I still have a hard time believing that moving that much weight with that much bending of the back is ok/intentional, but thank you anyway for giving me something to research.
If you watch closely, you'll see that the back doesn't round/bend... that's where you get into dangerous form. He hinges at the hips and the shoulders stay back and engaged. If I had to question anything, I'd question the depth because he doesn't even come remotely close to hitting parallel, but without knowing the goal of that squat, I'm not going to take issue as there are valid reasons for partial squats.
I understand that he is a world class athlete,but too much weight and really bad form leads to injury.Who in the hell is running that gym.
FWIW: this isn't bad form, this is a Low-Bar Back Squat. Low-Bar has the bar sitting behind the shoulders, back of the deltoids. A low-bar squat engages the posterior chain (hamstrings, glutes, lower back) more, results in more torso lean due to the position of the load, but also enables you to move a bit more weight than the more traditional High-Bar position.
Correct me if I am wrong but this is specifically to build explosive strength.
The weighted box jumps are definitely about developing explosiveness.
The low bar squats are more about targeting the muscles in the posterior chain a bit more. The movement with this kind of weight is really more about pure strength than explosive movement... though, the two do go hand-in-hand. I'd say, though, that this will lend itself more to that bull rush power than the fast-twitch explosion. Though, by being stronger, he will be able to be explosive with larger loads, so again, they go hand-in-hand - like stepping stones, grow one, then the other.
p.s. I'm happy to see that he is slowly climbing down from the box and isn't foolish enough to try "rebounding" or jumping back down with that extra weight. That's the sort of thing that blows out an Achilles real fast.
I appreciate you correcting me,not. I have been training on my own for quite some time,so I wasn't aware of this type of squat.It goes against all that I thought I knew.It does make sense though. I have seen people do that type of squat,hell I would just shake my head and mumble to myself "bad form". Except for that pretty little blonde,I even volunteered to watch her closely and correct any flaws I'd see.There were none.
During the pre-draft period the year when Myles came out, he made some quip about wishing the Cowboys would trade up and draft him. At the time I thought it was another example of a high caliber player not hiding their desire to be somewhere that wasn't Cleveland. Frankly, it got under my skin.
Now, this letter in the Player's Tribune has confirmed everything I've seen in his actions since he became a Brown. This dude is all in.
Myles, on the cusp of establishing himself as a generational player... he's all Cleveland.
I call him G-Rex, the predator at the top of the food chain. He'll hunt from Boston to Seattle and all points in-between.
Myles Garrett is one of the only players that I know of on the team that lives in Cleveland full time.
Bunch of easy to like, easy to root for guys on this team. Myles, Bitonio, Ogunjobi, Ward, Landry, Schobert, Chubb. Hard to walk away from any interview/presser not liking these guys.
During the pre-draft period the year when Myles came out, he made some quip about wishing the Cowboys would trade up and draft him. At the time I thought it was another example of a high caliber player not hiding their desire to be somewhere that wasn't Cleveland. Frankly, it got under my skin.
Now, this letter in the Player's Tribune has confirmed everything I've seen in his actions since he became a Brown. This dude is all in.
Myles, on the cusp of establishing himself as a generational player... he's all Cleveland.
I call him G-Rex, the predator at the top of the food chain. He'll hunt from Boston to Seattle and all points in-between.
But his layer is in The Land.
Think about it, put yourself in his shoes. You love the state you live in (in his case texas). You love your hometown team (in his case, the cowboys). Wouldn't you want and try to do everything in your power to play for the Browns if you were a NFL prospect? I would.
These players are fans too, they grew up watching and idolizing teams just like us. I don't hold that against anyone when they say they want to play for their hometown team.
A daughter of a good friend works at an eatery off Rockside Road. Myles came in and she served him. She said he was the nicest, most impressive specimen of a man she'd ever seen or met. Absolutely ZERO air cockiness or celebrity in him.
I believe this story. Does anyone remember the segment on Hard Knocks where Myles was trying to help Nate Orchard? He is class personified.
Everything I've seen and read on Myles has shown him to be a gentleman... Albeit, one with an attitude on Sunday.
I said i’d rather draft Mitch but knew taking MG was the right move cause he was such a freak ... i didn’t accuse him of taking plays off or having no motor ... i simply thought Mitch would be much better than he’s playing now and QB was much harder to find .... Sashi/Depo did the right thing ... .... but i was one that i guess u could say was on the Mitch bandwagon ...
Yeah, lot more than two people in there questioning him or saying we should have moved down lol.
Knight of Browns post did not age well:
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I disagree Trubisky is most certainly worth the 1st overall pick and he will be a good QB in this league. Most importantly he is a football player, he LOVES football and he loves OHIO. NO ONE will work harder to win here then Mitchell.
If you don't have a QB you don't have a team. You cna't win without one. IMO i'd take Trubisky over Wentz and folks were mad we didn't take Wentz.
Again the only DE taken #1 overall that has had a career worth that selection was Bruce Smith back in 1985...the odds are not in Garretts favor of having that kinda career...not saying he wont, just saying odds don't favor it.
At this point, im ok with them taking either Trub or Garret. I'd prefer Trub, but i guess i could live with Garret....
this talk of Trubisky not being worth a top 5 pick is nonsense...the kid is a winner, and many will never see him coming...just like no one saw Tom Brady coming either...except Bellichik....
There were many threads in the NFL Draft forum and the one cfrs posted was not the only one where people were discussing Myles.
A lot of folks were down on him. His effort was being questioned a lot. We are all wrong about draft prospects, but I disagree w/the claim that it was only two people. There were a ton of negative posts about Myles.
Yeah, lot more than two people in there questioning him or saying we should have moved down lol.
Knight of Browns post did not age well:
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I disagree Trubisky is most certainly worth the 1st overall pick and he will be a good QB in this league. Most importantly he is a football player, he LOVES football and he loves OHIO. NO ONE will work harder to win here then Mitchell.
If you don't have a QB you don't have a team. You cna't win without one. IMO i'd take Trubisky over Wentz and folks were mad we didn't take Wentz.
Again the only DE taken #1 overall that has had a career worth that selection was Bruce Smith back in 1985...the odds are not in Garretts favor of having that kinda career...not saying he wont, just saying odds don't favor it.
At this point, im ok with them taking either Trub or Garret. I'd prefer Trub, but i guess i could live with Garret....
this talk of Trubisky not being worth a top 5 pick is nonsense...the kid is a winner, and many will never see him coming...just like no one saw Tom Brady coming either...except Bellichik....
Mine, however, aged like fine wine. Nailed it! (Hurts arm patting self on back.)
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I heard the rumor this morning that they're considering Trubisky at #1. If they do that, you can add it to the list of draft mistakes the Browns made. Hopefully this is just talk to muddy the waters or force a trade offer. Unless the offer includes a high #1 pick this year, and a #1 next year, I'm not interested. And I'm barely interested in that. Experience says, take Garrett and move on. If Trub's not there at #12, take BPA and figure out a way to get Mahomes.
JMHO
Still wish we had taken Mahomes, but since we didn't, I'm now glad we have Baker. Glad we didn't STB by not taking Myles.
Myles Garrett is tied for the league lead in sacks. Last I saw he was also among the leaguers leaders in QB pressures. He is very good.
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2. Myles Garrett, EDGE, Cleveland Browns With general disappointment centered around the Browns’ 2-4 record, it almost feels like Garrett’s impressive season is flying under the radar. His 90.9 pass-rushing grade ranks second at the position, as do his eight sacks.
Good information. Do you think this exonerates all the negative commentary some are directing towards Vernon? I say that because one could ask why Myles hasn't been doubled more? Is it because of Vernon's presence? If so, does that justify why Dorsey made the trade? And is it not such a bad trade as many of our fans are claiming it to be?
Good information. Do you think this exonerates all the negative commentary some are directing towards Vernon? I say that because one could ask why Myles hasn't been doubled more? Is it because of Vernon's presence? If so, does that justify why Dorsey made the trade? And is it not such a bad trade as many of our fans are claiming it to be?
Garrett has been doubled the ninth most times in the league which is a lot considering he has a very good pass rusher on the other side. I would expect Vernon's production to be a little better given all the double teams Garrett is facing. With that said I don't think Vernon has been bad or even average. He just needs to be better (the Seattle game was his best game of the season).
I don't think the trade is a bad trade. I think it might have been a bit misguided. At the time of the trade there were several good veteran linemen available in free agency for less than we are paying Vernon. If given the two options I'd probably take Zeitler and free agent X over Vernon. Of course we have information now that we didn't have at the time (like Corbett being bad and Clowney being traded for a third round pick).
Either way, I think Myles Garrett is going to be very good no matter who is on the other side. He is a beast and is probably a top ten defensive player in the league. We are lucky to have him.
Garrett is so quick off the ball its amazing. Some of his offsides penalties are really just a tribute to his quickness and shouldn't be called. He's simply just that quick.
Garrett is so quick off the ball its amazing. Some of his offsides penalties are really just a tribute to his quickness and shouldn't be called. He's simply just that quick.
Yeah, they’re often very close. To the naked eye I’m often saying “please be uncalled” haha
I really think Myles is a poor hand fighter and once engaged by OL...once they get their hands on him...he's somewhat neutralized. This is why even backup OL seem to do decent against him. If he can't bend around OL, he will engage hoping for a bull rush. If he is not successful in the bull rush he's somewhat done for that play. His best bet is to not let OL get their hands on him.
I also think he needs a go to move.
I think those two things are preventing him from just completely wrecking a game Mack-style. And I think it's what will keep him from DPOY.
Just for some perspective. Myles is tied for the league lead w/9 sacks. Mack has 4.5 sacks this year.
I sometimes think that just like how people say an OL stinks because they give up a couple of sacks w/out considering how long the qb is holding the ball, they also think that their star pass rusher should get multiple sacks each game and is damn near unblockable.
Eh, I go back and forth. Myles Garrett could be unblockable. He has that kind of talent. He just needs to further refine his game, and people are impatient.
I also think we have played against more than our fair share of extremely mobile quarterbacks. It seems like we're constantly in the backfield and chasing just to have the QB turn on the jets and get a pass off.
Myles is a strange player IMO ... he can look absolutely dominant for stretches, and then be handled by a TE the next play haha. Leading the league in sacks is impressive and warrants praise ... and I think he could even be better
Pro tip. If you're going to assault someone, do not take a photo with your phone that places you at the scene. No good can come from being that stupid.
I won't even get into the whole concept of trying to sucker punch someone with the physical attributes of Garret. Or the fact that one could easily become the subject of a mob beat down from true fans for messing with him in the first place. I found out early on to never ask a prisoner at booking "What were you thinking?". Because usually they respond "Well, I guess I wasn't really thinking at the time."
I say he's working on his game...in game. Kinda trying moves out etc. You can only work against your own guys so long. Some things work others, not so much. You MUST have live game action against the best to improve yourself...Just a thought.
Thanks for the link, but I thought Mack actually has 4.5 sacks and Myles has 9????
probably due to pressures, hits, hurries, and probably double/triple teams, as well as maybe run stops?
it would be interesting to see all those stat comparisons, because while sacks is a huge stat, there's a lot more that comes into play when it comes to DE/edge rushers than just sacks.
I think that's it exactly - sack totals only show a small part of the impact and performance. Although run stopping performance is not included as this was purely "pass rush" grades.
I really think Myles is a poor hand fighter and once engaged by OL...once they get their hands on him...he's somewhat neutralized. This is why even backup OL seem to do decent against him. If he can't bend around OL, he will engage hoping for a bull rush. If he is not successful in the bull rush he's somewhat done for that play. His best bet is to not let OL get their hands on him.
I also think he needs a go to move.
I think those two things are preventing him from just completely wrecking a game Mack-style. And I think it's what will keep him from DPOY.
The two responses after I posted this were predictable. I didnt say Myles wasn't good. I didnt express impatience. I was simply stating an observation.
Are we allowed to state observations on this board?
Thanks for the link, but I thought Mack actually has 4.5 sacks and Myles has 9????
probably due to pressures, hits, hurries, and probably double/triple teams, as well as maybe run stops?
it would be interesting to see all those stat comparisons, because while sacks is a huge stat, there's a lot more that comes into play when it comes to DE/edge rushers than just sacks.
I wasn't disputing the rankings, Swish. I was disputing the numbers they listed. According to the other sites I have visited, Myles has 9 sacks rather than 8 and Mack has 4.5 sacks rather than 5. I was wondering why PFF's sack totals don't match-up w/the other sites?
I really think Myles is a poor hand fighter and once engaged by OL...once they get their hands on him...he's somewhat neutralized. This is why even backup OL seem to do decent against him. If he can't bend around OL, he will engage hoping for a bull rush. If he is not successful in the bull rush he's somewhat done for that play. His best bet is to not let OL get their hands on him.
I also think he needs a go to move.
I think those two things are preventing him from just completely wrecking a game Mack-style. And I think it's what will keep him from DPOY.
The two responses after I posted this were predictable. I didnt say Myles wasn't good. I didnt express impatience. I was simply stating an observation.
Are we allowed to state observations on this board?
Only if they are related to Baker's processing speed.
Can't fix stupid. Laughing while reading this. Was this guy kidding? What an incredibly dumb episode. Glad nobody was seriously killed. MG handled it well.
Yeah, lot more than two people in there questioning him or saying we should have moved down lol.
Knight of Browns post did not age well:
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I disagree Trubisky is most certainly worth the 1st overall pick and he will be a good QB in this league. Most importantly he is a football player, he LOVES football and he loves OHIO. NO ONE will work harder to win here then Mitchell.
If you don't have a QB you don't have a team. You cna't win without one. IMO i'd take Trubisky over Wentz and folks were mad we didn't take Wentz.
Again the only DE taken #1 overall that has had a career worth that selection was Bruce Smith back in 1985...the odds are not in Garretts favor of having that kinda career...not saying he wont, just saying odds don't favor it.
At this point, im ok with them taking either Trub or Garret. I'd prefer Trub, but i guess i could live with Garret....
this talk of Trubisky not being worth a top 5 pick is nonsense...the kid is a winner, and many will never see him coming...just like no one saw Tom Brady coming either...except Bellichik....
my post aged perfectly well.
Mitchell Trubisky made the Pro Bowl last year, Myles Garret made the Pro Bowl last year. Tit for tat.
Mitchell Trubisky actually lead the Bears to a playoff game and played in the post season, so technically Trubisky is slightly ahead of Garret in terms of success so far. Thats not to say Garret won't surpass him in the future, but the fact remains that Trubisky lead his team to the post season playing a far more difficult position as QB is harder to play than DE.
I still wish we had Trubisky. I think he is better than Mayfield of course none of the Baker homers here will agree with that...Trubisky made the Pro Bowl and lead his team to the playoffs in his second year, Mayfield posts a 66 QB rating in his second year but somehow he is better lol..Mayfield will be a back up in two years.
Yeah, lot more than two people in there questioning him or saying we should have moved down lol.
Knight of Browns post did not age well:
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I disagree Trubisky is most certainly worth the 1st overall pick and he will be a good QB in this league. Most importantly he is a football player, he LOVES football and he loves OHIO. NO ONE will work harder to win here then Mitchell.
If you don't have a QB you don't have a team. You cna't win without one. IMO i'd take Trubisky over Wentz and folks were mad we didn't take Wentz.
Again the only DE taken #1 overall that has had a career worth that selection was Bruce Smith back in 1985...the odds are not in Garretts favor of having that kinda career...not saying he wont, just saying odds don't favor it.
At this point, im ok with them taking either Trub or Garret. I'd prefer Trub, but i guess i could live with Garret....
this talk of Trubisky not being worth a top 5 pick is nonsense...the kid is a winner, and many will never see him coming...just like no one saw Tom Brady coming either...except Bellichik....
my post aged perfectly well.
Mitchell Trubisky made the Pro Bowl last year, Myles Garret made the Pro Bowl last year. Tit for tat.
Mitchell Trubisky actually lead the Bears to a playoff game and played in the post season, so technically Trubisky is slightly ahead of Garret in terms of success so far. Thats not to say Garret won't surpass him in the future, but the fact remains that Trubisky lead his team to the post season playing a far more difficult position as QB is harder to play than DE.
I still wish we had Trubisky. I think he is better than Mayfield of course none of the Baker homers here will agree with that...Trubisky made the Pro Bowl and lead his team to the playoffs in his second year, Mayfield posts a 66 QB rating in his second year but somehow he is better lol..Mayfield will be a back up in two years.
Until he proves otherwise he reminds me of Andy Dalton. You'll have good games, he'll take a good team to the danse, but he'll never carry the team and he'll lay too many eggs in clutch situations. But it's still early in his career.... But I'll take Myles Garrett over at Mitch every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Until he proves otherwise he reminds me of Andy Dalton. You'll have good games, he'll take a good team to the danse, but he'll never carry the team and he'll lay too many eggs in clutch situations. But it's still early in his career.... But I'll take Myles Garrett over at Mitch every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Bears fans dream Mitch Trubisky is as good as Andy Dalton.
Trubisky is not good. Nagy does a bunch of stuff in his offense to limit the possibility of Trubisky making a mistake.
Watson is a winner. He was in college and is proving that in the pros. My suspicion is he's a quiet leader that is well liked by his teammates and his teammates will play for him. He's not a polished QB in the traditional sense but he just has a knack for still making something positive happen. He's an easy guy to root for.
Anyone who thinks Trubisky is a good QB ... isn't watching him play the game. Good lord. And you say you don't hate Baker?!
what are you talking about? Trubiksy was one of the highest rated passers in the NFL last year with a 95.4 QBR for the season, he threw twice as many TD as INT, was over 65% completion percentage and made the Pro Bowl. Your crazy if you think Trubisky isn't any good, he is better than any QB the Browns have had since Kosar.
I wasn't high on Garret coming out of the draft, but I admit that he is now my favorite player for the Browns and I am very happy to have him. Just because I wanted Trubisky instead doesn't mean I thought Garret was a bad player. At the time that post was made the Browns didn't have a QB at all that you could win a game with.
Trubisky still has a QBR over 80, and a completion percentage of 65% this year despite some early struggles, and he was injured so its not fair to say he is not a good QB. He has shown "far more" so far than Mayfield has in terms of continued consistent improvement from year to year, he was so so year one, awesome last year, this year is still up for debate. He has maintained his accuracy despite his struggles unlike Mayfield whos ball placement this year has been nothing short of atrocious which is shown in his completion percentage.
Its a shame we couldn't have gotten both Garret and Trubisky out of 2017 NFL draft, Man what a draft that would have been.
Its a shame we couldn't have gotten both Garret and Trubisky out of 2017 NFL draft, Man what a draft that would have been.
We'd be looking at one of the worst 5 QBs in the game. So I guess if you're into bounce passes and 10 yard overthrows or underthrows, there would be an element of excitement.
I don't get it. I agreed that Trub was horrible. My point is that Baker has been horrible, too. What does the "eye test" mean about either guy? I'm not being snarky. I just don't know what you mean.
I agree w/half of that. Trub passes no test other than toughness. Baker isn't passing any tests, though. He is stinking the joint out. The stats prove that and no one can tell me it is because the supporting cast isn't good.
Myles is worth everything this team has invested in him, I would say Vernon has help somewhat but Myles will get his sacks no matter who is on the other side ... JMO
Myles is worth everything this team has invested in him, I would say Vernon has help somewhat but Myles will get his sacks no matter who is on the other side ... JMO
He'd get a lot more if the refs ever start throwing flags even half the time he gets held
I honestly think something very derogatory was said or done to him that made him react that way. He was punched in the face a couple weeks ago by a fan and didn't retaliate. This whole situation just seems very odd to me. Myles comes across as a level headed smart young man and this seems to be very out of character for a person with his disposition
I honestly think something very derogatory was said or done to him that made him react that way. He was punched in the face a couple weeks ago by a fan and didn't retaliate. This whole situation just seems very odd to me. Myles comes across as a level headed smart young man and this seems to be very out of character for a person with his disposition
I totally forgot about the fan punching him. Strange.
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Garrett was OK until he decided to pound the little guy with his own helmet. You can't do that in football. Apparently, that was never cool but these days it'll cause a full blast pearl clutching swoon. Fine him, make him play the Steelers again in two weeks. That'll be a learning moment for everyone concerned.
Kitchens should lose his job at the end of the season. Team discipline is non-existent. It's always something flat out dumb happening and the buck stops with him.
Guys, I woke up this morning and confirmed the sickness in my stomach over this whole situation is a reality.
Myles Garret's NFL Career is finished
Garret knows this too, you could see it in his eyes in the post game interview. There is simply no way he comes back from this, no way. He will probably be back on the field sure, but he will be a shell of his former self.
He won't even be able to look another players way now without a penalty. He has pretty much ostracized himself from the tight nit fraternity that is NFL players. Even Baker Mayfield, his own team mate, lambasted him publically in the media.
This is pretty much a dagger in the heart to this ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. Myles Garret was not only our best player by far, he was the face of this organization. He was not just a spoke on the wheel, Myles Garret WAS THE WHEEL. Every bit a of success we have on this team revolved around Garret. He was literally our Reggie White, our cornerstone, our foundation. This guy has more sacks than any player in the league since 2017, He is probably the best draft pick the Browns have made in 50 years outside of Joe Thomas.
Just when this organization was finally beginning to turn things around, finally found that "one guy" who makes everything work and something like this happens. Trust me, the Steelers are laughing right now, they know Garret is finished, no way he comes back from something like this, no way in hell.
I look at things from the "long view" and most Browns fans just don't realize it yet...I do though...Garret is finished...to me I feel like h just completely destroyed both of his knees and his elbow twice with surgery required injuries...in my ehart...I know he is done...
If/When he takes the field again, he will only be Myles Garret by name, the Garret who has more sacks than anyone since 2017, the Garret who is the best pash rusher in the league, the Garret teams had to gameplan for and he still impacted the game...will no longer exists, he will only exist in memories and dreams of Browns fans hoping for a Super Bowl...
God im so sick....so sad...completely heartbroken...Myles Garret was my favorite player, the first guy we have had on D since Micheal Dean Perry that ya just know is great....all these years, and in a few seconds, Garret has threw it all away...
I can't even type anymore...in retaliation, Garret threw everything away, he knows it too...so sick...so sad....
Gone for the year is right .. we gotta make sure this doesn’t affect more than just his position/production. We can’t let it linger and seep into internal discord
Gone for the year is right .. we gotta make sure this doesn’t affect more than just his position/production. We can’t let it linger and seep into internal discord
I actually think the team will rally around this and play well.
Although I did read that some of the players aren't happy with Mayfield's comments after the game so that could lead to some discord.
I think Mayfield was a complete leader after the game and support his comments 100%.
His comments had to be said ... you simply can’t say anything else IMO. I was afraid he’d say something like “I didn’t see it and hope Myles handles it better next time” which would have been a cop out
Myles Garrett is a meathead. He's a me first guy. Remember what his goals were for the season? Nothing team, all me goals.
He's an immature loser.
Exactly. My Dad and I were talking about this just last week. All that Garrett cares about are inflating his own sack numbers. Often times I found he completely disappears during games. Whoo! Hoo! He got a sack to increase his numbers. If its not meaningful for the team then I don't care about his sacks. I agree, everything I've seen from him tells me he's a me first guy.
Myles Garrett is a meathead. He's a me first guy. Remember what his goals were for the season? Nothing team, all me goals.
He's an immature loser.
Exactly. My Dad and I were talking about this just last week. All that Garrett cares about are inflating his own sack numbers. Often times I found he completely disappears during games. Whoo! Hoo! He got a sack to increase his numbers. If its not meaningful for the team then I don't care about his sacks. I agree, everything I've seen from him tells me he's a me first guy.
Wasn't there a "because if I do those it means I'll be helping the team" at the end of his quote on his goals?
Garrett was having a great year and now will be done for the season. All because a backup QB tried to take his helmet off, really? Garrett should have laughed at Rudolph and walked away.
This was a victory over a division rival that could have turned the season around. Now because of Garrett losing his mind and committing what some are saying assault, the win is ruined.
Gone for the year is right .. we gotta make sure this doesn’t affect more than just his position/production. We can’t let it linger and seep into internal discord
I agree on this. With the troubles kick starting the season, Mayfield's lackluster numbers and media drama, OBJ not getting the ball, Higgins drama, Callaway waived and now Garrett....I really hope this doesn't linger and cause more issues and push our season down the tubes. The 2nd Pitt game is going to be a VERY hostile environment.
Suckss to lose him but I've been saying for 2 decades that I would welcome dirty players like the Steelers have had near constantly. I'm here for all this smoke, couldn't happen to a better team. If this were the Dolphins, I would be bemoaning how stupid Garret is/was.
It's not, it was the Steelers, in a win at home. F that team.
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Rudolph tried to take Garrett's helmet off but I didn't see him kick Garrett. What Garrett did is inexcusable.
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Rudolph tried to take Garrett's helmet off but I didn't see him kick Garrett. What Garrett did is inexcusable.
Pouncey kicked Garrett in the head several times when he was down.
Definitely not making excuses for Garrett, but Pouncey will/should be suspended too.
The bar was set by the Haynesworth stomp. Haynesworth had a history The stomp was cold and calculated The stomp resulted in stitches in that center's head.
Myles hit checks none of those boxes, but the environment we're in now raises it to that level. Give him the same punishment, add the ridiculous crying and hand wringing on top and call it a day. Garrett has to accept responsibility and throw himself at the altar of NFL discipline, so to speak.
Personally, I'm glad we're finally bullying the bullies. I can't help but feel sorry for browns fans that watched Harrison gloat about knocking out browns and then turn around and shed years for a Steelers QB that started and continued that fight. Not excusing Garrett at all, just trying to look at it logically.
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Rudolph tried to take Garrett's helmet off but I didn't see him kick Garrett. What Garrett did is inexcusable.
Mason allegedgly called him a racial slur.
Then kicked him in the groin. As myles was WALKING AWAY, mason charged him as two other steelers were holding myles walking.
You are walking away, behing held by two of his buddies, being charged at by a possibly a racist lunatic snarling at you that just kicked you in the gonads.
@YoungerAssoc I seen it on tv, Pittsburgh qb attacks Garrett with a kick an tried to remove helmet first. why don't you chase a ambulance somewhere else
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Rudolph tried to take Garrett's helmet off but I didn't see him kick Garrett. What Garrett did is inexcusable.
Mason allegedgly called him a racial slur.
Then kicked him in the groin. As myles was WALKING AWAY, mason charged him as two other steelers were holding myles walking.
You are walking away, behing held by two of his buddies, being charged at by a possibly a racist lunatic snarling at you that just kicked you in the gonads.
context
You keep repeating this, but do you have anything substantial to back it up other than Twitter conspiracy theories? It's not like ESPN would pull punches if there was a racial element to it.
Looked like a mouthpiece check to me. Professional concern and reciprocal camaraderie.
Dumb. I have seen worse. Rudolph is all innocent acting. Watch it a couple more times. Myles was wrong. Please remember how we handled Such and Burfict and Siragusa as well as others.
The KOB above seems sensationalized. Watching to see.
Rudolph tried to start up with him, but can't muscle him. Punk fight. MG got punched by multiple guys. Defend yourself. Three or more against one. Not excusing it, but I understand how you can snap.
We might miss the playoffs because jerky Steelers players team attacked Garrett.
If I were Garrett I would've done worse. A guy tries to take your helmet off, kicks you in the balls, charges are you with rage in his eyes, punches you in the balls AGAIN while his big friend holds you. Then acts completely innocent.
I have lost all respect for Rudolph. Just another dirty Steelers player.
Rudolph tried to take Garrett's helmet off but I didn't see him kick Garrett. What Garrett did is inexcusable.
Mason allegedgly called him a racial slur.
Then kicked him in the groin. As myles was WALKING AWAY, mason charged him as two other steelers were holding myles walking.
You are walking away, behing held by two of his buddies, being charged at by a possibly a racist lunatic snarling at you that just kicked you in the gonads.
context
You keep repeating this, but do you have anything substantial to back it up other than Twitter conspiracy theories? It's not like ESPN would pull punches if there was a racial element to it.
Only thing I saw was a report ESPN's Josina Anderson tweeted she wouldn't be surprised if Myles would come out and say Mason called him a racial slur then deleted the tweet after all the backlash she was getting but at this point nothing would surprise me either way.Id also be interested in seeing if there is anything to substantiate that claim
Yeeeeeeesh. The helmet attack was not good. That being said I highly doubt Myles had any intent to kill the guy and he didn't kill the guy. Guys take a lot harder shots to the head throughout the game. Myles probably could have hurt him more by punching him in the face. Who knows though.
Myles really seems to be look a good guy off the field. I think he is just trying to make lots of plays during the game. Never came across as a dirty player to me. Talk of shutting down his NFL career is sad. I'd give him a 2 game suspension but I have a feeling it will be more like 6. This is a guy that plays hard for our team... I don't want to lose him. And he didn't beat the hell out of a woman off the field or kill anybody or anything like that. And he didn't start the fight.
people justifying what Garrett did is absurd...oh... he called me a name..let me try to kill him with a weapon.. gmab. Nothing anyone did justifies what garrett did..i would be very suprised if he doesn't get atleast a year suspension.. I don't think people realize how egregious this was and NFL has to make a statement..this isn't a kick or a punch, this is weaponizing a piece of equipment and attacking a player without equipment. Garrett deserves everything he's going to get..lets not forget this isn't the first time he's done something punishable. (Titans game)
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
I think: 1) Myles didn't know the ball was out and was finishing what he thought to be a walk off sack. 2) Mason took exception to being dragged down at the end of an out of reach game and reacted against Myles.
Yeeeeeeesh. The helmet attack was not good. That being said I highly doubt Myles had any intent to kill the guy and he didn't kill the guy. Guys take a lot harder shots to the head throughout the game. Myles probably could have hurt him more by punching him in the face. Who knows though.
Myles really seems to be look a good guy off the field. I think he is just trying to make lots of plays during the game. Never came across as a dirty player to me. Talk of shutting down his NFL career is sad. I'd give him a 2 game suspension but I have a feeling it will be more like 6. This is a guy that plays hard for our team... I don't want to lose him. And he didn't beat the hell out of a woman off the field or kill anybody or anything like that. And he didn't start the fight.
I would think that suiting up and playing Pittsburgh in two weeks would be punishment enough. Talk about motivation. Oh, and he needs to write a big check. You young guys just got your Turkey Jones Moment.
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People are also over looking Mason's role in this.as another poster said shouldn't kicking Myles in the groin with spiked cleats also be considered using a weapon. It very easily could have severed a testicle or even his manhood not to mention it could have caused him to not be able to have children in the future if he so chooses to. I'm not saying Myles was right in swinging the helmet but Rudolph certainly isn't innocent in the situation either
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People are also over looking Mason's role in this.as another poster said shouldn't kicking Myles in the groin with spiked cleats also be considered using a weapon. It very easily could have severed a testicle or even his manhood not to mention it could have caused him to not be able to have children in the future if he so chooses to. I'm not saying Myles was right in swinging the helmet but Rudolph certainly isn't innocent in the situation either
kicked in a plastic cup by plastic cleats..yeah..don't think they justifies trying to decapitate someone with a helmet
There's a difference in understanding why a person does what they do and understanding that what they did was wrong.
It was obvious from my perspective that Rudolph first tried to take Myles helmet off. That was quite obvious. So if someone is looking for who instigated the melee it was obviously Rudolph.
At that juncture I didn't think Myles removing Rudolph's helmet in retaliation was so far out of line. I felt it would still get him elected from the game and cause a fine, but it was within the realm of what I consider a reasonable response.
And it's true that Rudolph continued to come at Garrett. However, by that time there were enough players involved to stop it from escalating. There were players who had positioned themselves between Myles and Rudolph. Myles actually reached over other players to strike Rudolph with his helmet.
While I understand his anger and his passion, there is a point you can't go beyond. He went beyond that point. The NFL has millions of fans. This was a prime time Thursday night game. This is behavior the NFL most certainly can not allow and they will send a very strong message to show that.
Rudolph would not be very popular with the players or players union should he press charges. I doubt that would or should happen. Garret lost it and now he will pay monetarily and time wise. He shouldn't be alone in either though. Just maybe a steeper penalty.
Suspended indefinitely; needs to meet with Goodell. Example has been made. As it should have. Both teams fined $250K. Pouncey suspended 3 games. Larry O got 1 game.
If you walk up to a snarling dog in his fenced in yard and you get bit petting that dog...who is at fault?
Rudolph is a punk who got what he was asking for. All this talk about Garrett being the attacker is BS. He was not the attacker at any point in the melee.
He was retreating when Rudolph charged him. I'm rather stunned how hard Browns fans are trying to pin the blame on Garrett.
only thing i don't agree with is Rudolph should have gotten a couple games as well. but that would have been detrimental to pittsburgh so we can't allow that
however, Big L will be back for the 2nd game at pittsburgh, and with no Pouncey, i suspect Mason will still get put on his ass by Big L and Richardson.
I do not condone Myles' actions... shouldn't happen on the field. I am reading and hearing about Rudolph having kicked him in the nuts. There will be consequences but it shouldn't ruin the man's career. Myles' seems like a good guy off the field -- truly. He took a punch in the face on the streets and did nothing! He's done charity work (I know a lot of players do).. It seems out of character for him. If he had a history of this I would feel differently, but he doesn't. I just don't think they should come out and basically crucify the guy like they are today... Doesn't mean he shouldn't get some kind of suspension
If your dropping back and passing attempting to score then you risk being sacked. Thank your coach for that one. Take the L and hit the showers at that point.
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People are also over looking Mason's role in this.as another poster said shouldn't kicking Myles in the groin with spiked cleats also be considered using a weapon. It very easily could have severed a testicle or even his manhood not to mention it could have caused him to not be able to have children in the future if he so chooses to. I'm not saying Myles was right in swinging the helmet but Rudolph certainly isn't innocent in the situation either
kicked in a plastic cup by plastic cleats..yeah..don't think they justifies trying to decapitate someone with a helmet
how do you know that Myles was wearing a cup. Not all players wear cups and sharpened plastic can do just as much damage as metal. And I don't believe Myles was trying to decapitate Mason when he hit him with the open end of the helmet.If he would of hit him with the crown I could see that but he didn't. I think they were both wrong in what they did and to me that's beyond obvious
If someone could copy and paste the body of the article, I'd appreciate it. Too difficult from my phone and won't be on a computer until Monday night. Thanks
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People are also over looking Mason's role in this.as another poster said shouldn't kicking Myles in the groin with spiked cleats also be considered using a weapon. It very easily could have severed a testicle or even his manhood not to mention it could have caused him to not be able to have children in the future if he so chooses to. I'm not saying Myles was right in swinging the helmet but Rudolph certainly isn't innocent in the situation either
kicked in a plastic cup by plastic cleats..yeah..don't think they justifies trying to decapitate someone with a helmet
how do you know that Myles was wearing a cup. Not all players wear cups and sharpened plastic can do just as much damage as metal. And I don't believe Myles was trying to decapitate Mason when he hit him with the open end of the helmet.If he would of hit him with the crown I could see that but he didn't. I think they were both wrong in what they did and to me that's beyond obvious
he didn't try to hit him with the open end...he just swung it..it happened to land that way
If someone could copy and paste the body of the article, I'd appreciate it. Too difficult from my phone and won't be on a computer until Monday night. Thanks
Mason Rudolph’s agent leaves open pursuing assault charges against Myles Garrett Updated 11:51 AM;Today 11:40 AM 13 Cleveland Browns Myles Garrett fights with Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph during game, November 14, 2019 4 0 shares By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — Mason Rudolph’s agent Tim Younger is leaving open the possibility of pursuing assault charges or other legal action Myles Garrett, he told cleveland.com.
“I’m not taking anything off the table,’’ Younger, an attorney, responded in a text message early Friday morning when asked specifically if he’ll pursue assault charges.
In the waning seconds of Thursday night’s 21-7 victory over the Steelers, Garrett ripped off Rudolph’s helmet and clubbed him over the head with it.
Myles Garrett ejected for clubbing Rudolph with the QB’s own helmet
Center Maurkice Pouncey, who retaliated by punching and kicking Garrett, noted that the blow could’ve been fatal.
“He could have killed him,’’ said Pouncey. “What if he'd hit in him the temple?"
The blow also came just over a month after Rudolph was knocked out cold by Baltimore’s Earl Thomas and sat out the next game with a concussion.
“There are many risks an NFL QB assumes with every snap taken on the field,’’ Younger tweeted early Friday morning. “Being hit on your uncovered head by a helmet being swung by a 275 lb DE is not one of them. Tonight could have had a catastrophic ending. The matter will be reviewed thoroughly.’’
He also stated that the helmet hit, which followed a ‘very late takedown…cannot be defended by reasonable minds.’’
Rudolph’s camp is disgusted by the narrative circulating on the internet that the quarterback is somehow equally culpable because he tried to defend himself after the late hit, which wasn’t flagged.
The fight began after a short Rudolph pass when Garrett bear-hugged him late and planted him on his head. Rudolph, picked off four times by the Browns, tried to rip off Garrett’s helmet, and shoved him away with a foot to the groin area. But Garrett ripped off Rudolph’s helmet instead, and used it as a weapon, clubbing Rudolph in the head with it when he came at him.
Guard David DeCastro pulled Garrett off Rudolph, but couldn’t stop him from smashing him in the head. Pouncey threw a few punches at Garrett in retaliation before DeCastro landed on Garrett in the end zone, shielding his body from Pouncey, who still managed to kick Garrett in the helmet.
Larry Ogunjobi got in on the act, shoving Rudolph down from behind while Pouncey pounced on Garrett.
The melee resulted in the ejections of Garrett, Pouncey and Ogunjobi, who will all be fined and some or all suspended.
“I made a mistake,’’ said Garrett, who cost himself a chance at NFL Defensive Player of the Year and possibly the rest of his season. “I lost my cool, and it’s going to come back to hurt our team. What I did was foolish, and I shouldn’t have allowed myself to slip like that. It’s out of character.’’
The ejections came on the heels of Browns safety Damarious Randall getting thrown out of the game with 8:05 left in the third quarter for a crushing helmet-to-helmet hit on receiver Diontae Johnson. The hit was so hard it made Johnson’s ear bleed. And that blow came after a helmet-to-helmet hit by Greedy Williams that knocked Steelers leading receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster out of the game with a concussion.
“People get helmet-to-helmet contact every week,’’ Kitchens said of the two concussive blows.
But Steelers coach Mike Tomlin was so mad after the game he refused to address the Garrett outburst. The two teams meet again in Pittsburgh on Dec. 1, a little more than two weeks away.
“You guys saw what happened at the end,’’ Tomlin said. “I have no comment. No more questions regarding that because I’m saying nothing.’’
But Rudolph, who was sacked four times to go along with his four interceptions - two by Joe Schobert - had plenty to say about it.
“Where did it cross the line? Maybe where he took my helmet off and used it as a weapon,” Rudolph said. "I know it was bush-league. It was a total coward move on his part.’’
Pittsburgh are good at being the bully, throwing the first punch then letting the other team get penalized for retaliating. James Harrison hands down is the dirtiest player I've ever seen - dirtier than Suh.
That said - and regardless of what I want to happen to their players and how much they instigated the incident or made the situation worse once it started - or how much of a total douche Rudolph was after the incident ..... Myles could of killed or seriously wounded Rudolph. It's one of the worst things I think you could ever see on a football field. Getting suspended for the rest of the season is not unfair. I hope he gets over this and shrugs it off - it won't stop me rooting for him or believing that he's a good person.
Pittsburgh are good at being the bully, throwing the first punch then letting the other team get penalized for retaliating. James Harrison hands down is the dirtiest player I've ever seen - dirtier than Suh.
That said - and regardless of what I want to happen to their players and how much they instigated the incident or made the situation worse once it started - or how much of a total douche Rudolph was after the incident ..... Myles could of killed or seriously wounded Rudolph. It's one of the worst things I think you could ever see on a football field. Getting suspended for the rest of the season is not unfair. I hope he gets over this and shrugs it off - it won't stop me rooting for him or believing that he's a good person.
Mason was the one trying to strip Myles helmet during the tackle... and honestly trying to kill Mason and injure him is seeing way too much...
Suspension for the rest of the season is the right punishment,IMHO, has long has Mason gets punished too.
I guess you do not believe in mitigating or extenuating circumstances...
Common Mitigating Circumstances Because many situations may be considered mitigating factors, there is no list set by law. Commonly used mitigating factors include:
Defendant’s Age – whether the defendant was an adult or minor at the time of the crime. - irrelevant as both are adults
Mental capacity – such as the defendant’s intellectual disability, or mental state at the time of the crime.
History of Abuse – whether the defendant has a history of being abused. - Garrett was choked and held for most of the game.
No Criminal Record – this usually refers to a criminal history as an adult, but very serious offenses as a minor may be considered an aggravating circumstance. - Essentially a history...of which Garrett has none
Victim Culpability – the victim willingly took part in the crime or other events, which may have led to the crime. - Ding Ding Ding...I think we have a winner! Ignoring Mason Rudolph's part in this is also inexcusable
Unusual Circumstances – the defendant’s actions were due to temporary emotional stress or severe provocation. - Lets see how would any of us react with a guy trying to rip our head off while standing on our groin....frankly I think your "plastic" comments are childish at best
No Harm Done – the actions of the defendant were somehow justified, and did not cause harm to another person. - Mason says he is "good to go"
Necessity – the defendant committed the crime out of necessity. - Yeah...doubt this applies...
Remorse – the defendant clearly shows he is remorseful for his actions. - Garrett is obviously remorseful...and probably won't fight any penalty handed down.
Now here is the thing...Mitigating Circumstances DO NOT EXCUSE DEFENDANT OF A CRIME. They are however considered when determining punishment. Only one circumstance is needed....and we can see that there are far more than one in our situation.
No one is "JUSTIFYING" hitting someone over the head with a helmet...so get over yourself. Garrett is going to be suspended and deservedly so. But Mitigating Circumstances should be considered when determining a length of suspension. And it should be looked at for ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. That is the part I feel you have ignored. I have not seen a single post by you acknowledging Mason's part in this....nor mentioning Pouncey's actions...
Ok looked at the tape again. Rudolph started it by trying to take Garrett's helmet off and then trying to push him away with his leg in the groining area but come on. Garrett went way over the line. You can't rip a guys helmet off and then hit him over the head with it!
I guess you do not believe in mitigating or extenuating circumstances...
Common Mitigating Circumstances Because many situations may be considered mitigating factors, there is no list set by law. Commonly used mitigating factors include:
Defendant’s Age – whether the defendant was an adult or minor at the time of the crime. - irrelevant as both are adults
Mental capacity – such as the defendant’s intellectual disability, or mental state at the time of the crime.
History of Abuse – whether the defendant has a history of being abused. - Garrett was choked and held for most of the game.
No Criminal Record – this usually refers to a criminal history as an adult, but very serious offenses as a minor may be considered an aggravating circumstance. - Essentially a history...of which Garrett has none
Victim Culpability – the victim willingly took part in the crime or other events, which may have led to the crime. - Ding Ding Ding...I think we have a winner! Ignoring Mason Rudolph's part in this is also inexcusable
Unusual Circumstances – the defendant’s actions were due to temporary emotional stress or severe provocation. - Lets see how would any of us react with a guy trying to rip our head off while standing on our groin....frankly I think your "plastic" comments are childish at best
No Harm Done – the actions of the defendant were somehow justified, and did not cause harm to another person. - Mason says he is "good to go"
Necessity – the defendant committed the crime out of necessity. - Yeah...doubt this applies...
Remorse – the defendant clearly shows he is remorseful for his actions. - Garrett is obviously remorseful...and probably won't fight any penalty handed down.
Now here is the thing...Mitigating Circumstances DO NOT EXCUSE DEFENDANT OF A CRIME. They are however considered when determining punishment. Only one circumstance is needed....and we can see that there are far more than one in our situation.
No one is "JUSTIFYING" hitting someone over the head with a helmet...so get over yourself. Garrett is going to be suspended and deservedly so. But Mitigating Circumstances should be considered when determining a length of suspension. And it should be looked at for ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. That is the part I feel you have ignored. I have not seen a single post by you acknowledging Mason's part in this....nor mentioning Pouncey's actions...
its called excessive..and you must have missed where I said Mason should get suspended too...I didn't say anything about pouncey because i knew he'd be suspended too..But none of them did anything as bad as Garrett...thus the punishment. Garrett would have been better to just take Mason to the ground and GNP him as opposed to what he did.
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People are also over looking Mason's role in this.as another poster said shouldn't kicking Myles in the groin with spiked cleats also be considered using a weapon. It very easily could have severed a testicle or even his manhood not to mention it could have caused him to not be able to have children in the future if he so chooses to. I'm not saying Myles was right in swinging the helmet but Rudolph certainly isn't innocent in the situation either
kicked in a plastic cup by plastic cleats..yeah..don't think they justifies trying to decapitate someone with a helmet
how do you know that Myles was wearing a cup. Not all players wear cups and sharpened plastic can do just as much damage as metal. And I don't believe Myles was trying to decapitate Mason when he hit him with the open end of the helmet.If he would of hit him with the crown I could see that but he didn't. I think they were both wrong in what they did and to me that's beyond obvious
he didn't try to hit him with the open end...he just swung it..it happened to land that way
I believe Myles knew exactly how he was holding the helmet and he swung down with it for that reason.if he wanted to make contact with the crown he most definitely could have done so
Ok looked at the tape again. Rudolph started it by trying to take Garrett's helmet off and then trying to push him away with his leg in the groining area but come on. Garrett went way over the line. You can't rip a guys helmet off and then hit him over the head with it!
not only ripped it off, but actually pulled him off the ground by it
I believe Myles knew exactly how he was holding the helmet and he swung down with it for that reason.if he wanted to make contact with the crown he most definitely could have done so
Ok looked at the tape again. Rudolph started it by trying to take Garrett's helmet off and then trying to push him away with his leg in the groining area but come on. Garrett went way over the line. You can't rip a guys helmet off and then hit him over the head with it!
not only ripped it off, but actually pulled him off the ground by it
And I'm not going to lie and say I didn't love it...
Its wrong, but yeahh, can't help it. Also don't thin its anything major...
Garrett should appeal immediately. There is zero precedent for an indefinite ban. The Browns organization should also register an objection for Rudolph not receiving any suspension or fine.
Garrett was wrong in a heated moment and I do not condone his actions, he should be punished. That said Rudolph is in no way innocent in this and should at a minimum be fined, but I think he deserves at least a game or two suspension.
and honestly trying to kill Mason and injure him is seeing way too much...
I don't think anyone is saying MG was trying to kill Rudolph.
I'm saying - and I think others too - is that the physical freak that is MG, and as ridiculously strong and powerful as he is ... swinging a football helmet and hitting another person in the head with it, could easily kill someone. That's serious. It means that it doesn't matter who started it or what happened before he swung the helmet ... that swing all by itself was dangerous enough and wrong enough to get MG suspended for the rest of the season.
Ogun 1 game for a shove. 3 games for Pouncey for his attack. Mason started this by twisting garrets helmet around and trying to kick him in the balls and nadda.
Garret was wrong but he was attacked first, pulled off the helmet and backing up when Mason comes again at him. It happened it's no where near as bad as the fat Alberto stomp and his season is over and his career is honestly in jeopardy.
This is some serious Bull. I have seen a hell of a lot worse than I saw yesterday and nothing ever even said about it. I dont know if it us the Browns bias or the fact this nation is turning into a bunch of pansies to put it kindly.
Just tired of the NFF and its constant double standards. Between bvb this and the anthem crap over the last few years, I am about ready to walk away from the game I love, just like I have with the NBA.
We had just beat the 6-2 Bills and the 5-4 Steelers. We have the Phins once, Steelers once more (who we just beat), the Bengals twice, the Cards and then the Ravens (who we already beat). Optimistically, that's a 5-1 possibility. Heck, 4-2 is doable as well.
8 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs, but 9 might. No way we run the table, but with that schedule, it was maybe a possibility.
Not now. Just plain sucks. An outcome we should have been celebrating is now mired in suspensions and upcoming firings (most likely).
- Why was he on the field for that last play? Had he torn up his knee, we'd all be asking that question. - Why did we blitz? - Why couldn't Myles just punch him?
Ogun 1 game for a shove. 3 games for Pouncey for his attack. Mason started this by twisting garrets helmet around and trying to kick him in the balls and nadda.
Garret was wrong but he was attacked first, pulled off the helmet and backing up when Mason comes again at him. It happened it's no where near as bad as the fat Alberto stomp and his season is over and his career is honestly in jeopardy.
This is some serious Bull. I have seen a hell of a lot worse than I saw yesterday and nothing ever even said about it. I dont know if it us the Browns bias or the fact this nation is turning into a bunch of pansies to put it kindly.
Just tired of the NFF and its constant double standards. Between bvb this and the anthem crap over the last few years, I am about ready to walk away from the game I love, just like I have with the NBA.
It's why the Browns are the ONLY NFL I watch. Good to see you BTW!!!
Hey I know I got HOMER eyes but this is what I saw.
We were pummelling them, they didn't take a knee and we were not backing off. Who was being humiliated? Steelers always have played dirty against us and this game we were pummelling them. Garrett made a clean tackle of the QB under the shoulders and above at the waist then their QB put his hands in Myles facemask and was tugging at his helmet which almost came off. Myles instinctively pulled on the QBs helmet and took it off then 2 OLmen started to punish Garrett for the act and it was the stupid QB who came at Garrett physically so there were 3 guys attacking Garrett one of which was the dumb ass QB without his helmet on. Garrett should have dropped the helmet before he started to defend himself.
We all know that looked bad but it wasn't as bad as if Garrett cold cocked him and knocked him out. It didn't seem to faze the aggressor QB. Then Larry gets kicked out cause at the end he gave a "SHOVE" on the guy who started the whole thing and who was involved from beginning to end with again the Steelers owning the NFL and the Refs the agressor in all this did not get suspended.
Garrett snapped cause he was held the entire game, he was cheap shotted the entire game and nothing gets called. Meanwhile the only score by the Steelers the entire drive was the Referees again owned by the Steelers..THE ENTIRE DRIVE was the referees. I can only guess Garrett was frustrated and it was the end of the game where the Steelers were getting their but wiped on national TV. They were the instigators throughout. We did the ugly thing. Which is wrong and Garrett will pay for it. This is his first offense so I am hoping for a 2 game suspension. But it was against the Steelers so we all know what will happen.
What sickened me was Kitchens apologizing to that slime Steeler HC you know the guy who tripped a player by going onto the field and sticking out his leg and got nothing in penalties or suspensions...the slime who has his players putting opponents out as year after year we see our QBs getting beat up by their head hits pulling of the face mask without flags being thrown. And then at the end of the game when its a laugher they are all on the sidelines laughing at us. Well this was the best beating the Steelers have ever gotten. We total wiped their butts up and down the field. And they didn't like it.
They were the aggressors in this but there are two ways this gets treated. Steelers allowed to do what they want and our guys are not. Point blank we kicked their butt and they didn't like it.
Garrett just couldn't keep his cool unfortunately. He is not the kind of guy to do this but he was provoked which doesn't mean he should get off clean. He will take his punishment and if it is more than 2 games we know this is not about Garrett but about the Steelers owning the NFL.
We had just beat the 6-2 Bills and the 5-4 Steelers. We have the Phins once, Steelers once more (who we just beat), the Bengals twice, the Cards and then the Ravens (who we already beat). Optimistically, that's a 5-1 possibility. Heck, 4-2 is doable as well.
8 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs, but 9 might. No way we run the table, but with that schedule, it was maybe a possibility.
Not now. Just plain sucks. An outcome we should have been celebrating is now mired in suspensions and upcoming firings (most likely).
- Why was he on the field for that last play? Had he torn up his knee, we'd all be asking that question. - Why did we blitz? - Why couldn't Myles just punch him?
Ugh. Sickening.
If you think it wasn't then it still isn't...
The results lie much more on the improvement in O than the D itself...
I'm sure D will be fired up after this and will play better.
Although I think Baker just did lose a lot of respect from many in the team... with his inexcusable stint..
I believe Myles knew exactly how he was holding the helmet and he swung down with it for that reason.if he wanted to make contact with the crown he most definitely could have done so
laugh all you want bro but he ripped Mason's helmet straight off his head and could very easily see and feel which way he was holding it.Again I'm not saying he was right but I also don't believe he had no clue how he was holding the helmet in his hand and just got lucky the crown didn't make contact
because its foolish to think he knew...he swung wildly,, all it would have taken was his elbow to hit the Oline holding him and that helmet hits a totally different way..he swung with the intent to seriously injure
Why does Myles and every one else keep saying this is out of character for him? That's a false narrative. He may be a nice guy off the field but he's an immature football player who pretty consistently shows poor judgment and hurts his team. He has the maturity of a child, not a young adult.
I believe Myles knew exactly how he was holding the helmet and he swung down with it for that reason.if he wanted to make contact with the crown he most definitely could have done so
laugh all you want bro but he ripped Mason's helmet straight off his head and could very easily see and feel which way he was holding it.Again I'm not saying he was right but I also don't believe he had no clue how he was holding the helmet in his hand and just got lucky the crown didn't make contact
And we don't have to be PC about this stuff.. if the Browns fans don't stand by the players who will.
It was stupid but can't say I didn't liked it. Well not the swing of the helmet off course.
Myles does not need a helmet to knock other guy out.
yes...like i said before, he was already fined this year for punching a player...people need to take the brown colored glasses off and see it for what it is.. a guy who has hurt the team through his immaturity and constantly being penalized for infractions. Its hard to really say he's helped more than he's hurt. Probably was a wash at this point, but this puts it over. One other thing to watch, while the nfl suspends him, the team might punish him as well...he just cost them 1/4 mill.. pretty sure jimmy ain't happy about that
I believe Myles knew exactly how he was holding the helmet and he swung down with it for that reason.if he wanted to make contact with the crown he most definitely could have done so
laugh all you want bro but he ripped Mason's helmet straight off his head and could very easily see and feel which way he was holding it.Again I'm not saying he was right but I also don't believe he had no clue how he was holding the helmet in his hand and just got lucky the crown didn't make contact
And we don't have to be PC about this stuff.. if the Browns fans don't stand by the players who will.
It was stupid but can't say I didn't liked it. Well not the swing of the helmet off course.
Myles does not need a helmet to knock other guy out.
thats the point...of everything and all, he would have been penalized LESS, if he would have just used his hands..
yes...like i said before, he was already fined this year for punching a player...people need to take the brown colored glasses off and see it for what it is.. a guy who has hurt the team through his immaturity and constantly being penalized for infractions. Its hard to really say he's helped more than he's hurt. Probably was a wash at this point, but this puts it over. One other thing to watch, while the nfl suspends him, the team might punish him as well...he just cost them 1/4 mill.. pretty sure jimmy ain't happy about that
We get it and think its right, but honestly I like this better than seeing our QB being knocked out and no player doing anything..
Myles has fire and that is good. He is not a dirty player.
Ogun 1 game for a shove. 3 games for Pouncey for his attack. Mason started this by twisting garrets helmet around and trying to kick him in the balls and nadda.
Garret was wrong but he was attacked first, pulled off the helmet and backing up when Mason comes again at him. It happened it's no where near as bad as the fat Alberto stomp and his season is over and his career is honestly in jeopardy.
This is some serious Bull. I have seen a hell of a lot worse than I saw yesterday and nothing ever even said about it. I dont know if it us the Browns bias or the fact this nation is turning into a bunch of pansies to put it kindly.
Just tired of the NFF and its constant double standards. Between bvb this and the anthem crap over the last few years, I am about ready to walk away from the game I love, just like I have with the NBA.
As much as I like Garrett he deserves the suspension. No matter what someone does you cannot use a helmet as a weapon. I do think the league overreacted to Larry with the game suspension. I believe the Pouncey suspension was warranted as well. If they are going to suspend Larry for his actions then Ruldolph should have gotten a game as well.
Myles suspended for the remainder of the season and indefinitely is absolutely ridiculous. The NFL doles out much lesser punishments for guys that beat their wives/girlfriends.
Haynesworth stomps a guy's bare head requiring 30 stitches and gets five games.
Rudolph tries to wrench Garrett's helmets and cleats him in the yam bag and gets nothing.
Garrett was retreating...that means he was walking away...Rudolph re-started the melee and got punked. Somehow, that equates to Garret being suspended for a year? Ridiculous.
Again...Garret was walking away from the fight when Rudolph charged after him. The incident was over...Rudolph attacked. Watch the tape.
again...people are justifying what he did...its ridiculous...guess what..Garrett could have kept retreating..but no, he took a weapon and hit an unprotected player in the head..
People have different views on this stuff. One reason to not pick fights in the first place is that you don't know how far the other person is willing to escalate it.
What Garrett did should be punished, but that does not mean that Rudolph did not deserve what happened to him. He earned that butt whoopin. I just hope Rudolph doesn't get suspended, because I want to see him throw us some more interceptions in two weeks.
Looks like Rudolph is getting off scott-free after starting the whole fight. They even suspended Ogunjobi for a game and what he did was next to nothing compared to Rudolph starting the whole thing.
I said from the beginning that I would be okay with any suspension as long as things were handled fairly. NFL has clearly shown their bias for QBs and Steelers. Hope the Browns front office has the guts to stand up for themselves, but probably not. They seem to enjoy getting beaten on by the Steelers, NFL, and Media.
people justifying what Garrett did is absurd...oh... he called me a name..let me try to kill him with a weapon.. gmab. Nothing anyone did justifies what garrett did..i would be very suprised if he doesn't get atleast a year suspension.. I don't think people realize how egregious this was and NFL has to make a statement..this isn't a kick or a punch, this is weaponizing a piece of equipment and attacking a player without equipment. Garrett deserves everything he's going to get..lets not forget this isn't the first time he's done something punishable. (Titans game)
Dude, general rule of society is that if someone starts something with you, then you get to use whatever means at your disposal to fight them.
Heck, its even encoded in the laws of our country. If you have a weapon and someone attacks you, then you get to use that weapon or any other you can find on them!
Again, NFL rules prevail and they get to punish the players as they see fit, but all of this noise about Myles using the helmet as a weapon and potentially getting prosecuted/sued is nonsense.
From an NFL rules standpoint, Garrett is in the wrong, from a societal standpoint, Garrett is justified in hitting Rudolph with the helmet and Rudolph is 100% in the wrong.
Why in heaven are Myles and the Haslam's apologizing to Mason Rudolph? He started the whole thing and we are now apologizing for what he got? My goodness. Where is the Steeler apology for starting a fight? As the cheater Tomlin said "You saw what happened at the end there." Yeah...we did...and you get off scot free yet again.
Message from the NFL:
Be the instigator and you will be just fine...not fined with a d...just fine.
people justifying what Garrett did is absurd...oh... he called me a name..let me try to kill him with a weapon.. gmab. Nothing anyone did justifies what garrett did..i would be very suprised if he doesn't get atleast a year suspension.. I don't think people realize how egregious this was and NFL has to make a statement..this isn't a kick or a punch, this is weaponizing a piece of equipment and attacking a player without equipment. Garrett deserves everything he's going to get..lets not forget this isn't the first time he's done something punishable. (Titans game)
Dude, general rule of society is that if someone starts something with you, then you get to use whatever means at your disposal to fight them.
Heck, its even encoded in the laws of our country. If you have a weapon and someone attacks you, then you get to use that weapon or any other you can find on them!
Again, NFL rules prevail and they get to punish the players as they see fit, but all of this noise about Myles using the helmet as a weapon and potentially getting prosecuted/sued is nonsense.
From an NFL rules standpoint, Garrett is in the wrong, from a societal standpoint, Garrett is justified in hitting Rudolph with the helmet and Rudolph is 100% in the wrong.
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. Don’t talk to me about any means necessary because it’s simply not true. I’ve witnessed first hand that circumstances require measured and controlled response. Someone picks a fight with me on the street 9/10 i could kill them easily and quickly with my barehands. So because they attacked me first I should kill them because I’m just defending myself? Sorry but given my training and ability, it would def be deemed excessive and would almost certainly be punished accordingly. Nothing that Rudolph did justified him using helmet as a weapon. If he’s truly scared for his life against a preppy qb then he’s in the wrong sport. Hell who’s to say Rudolph wasn’t just trying to get his helmet back.
Myles was wrong, never should have swung the helmet, period. Everything up to that point, fine.
That said, it's about time someone stood up to the Steelers crap. For too long they cheap-shotted our players into oblivion (think about Hines Ward and James Harrison, 2 of the dirtiest players EVER in the league).
Mason comes across as someone with poor social skills, and really immature. I'm just going to guess that he is an only child or oldest child, and probably home-schooled. You'd have thought he would have stopped after Myles ripped his helmet off, but the idiot kept coming after Myles...don't need to say why that was a dumb idea. Guy never got his butt whooped enough growing up.
Pouncey has always been trash too, just like his brother.
I just think it's funny all these old former Steelers players (and some current Steelers like Pouncey and Tomlin) talking about player safety...haha! Where were you when James Harrison was intentionally hurting people and ending their careers? Give me a break. Shut it! I'm just glad we whipped their butts!
Why in heaven are Myles and the Haslam's apologizing to Mason Rudolph? He started the whole thing and we are now apologizing for what he got? My goodness. Where is the Steeler apology for starting a fight? As the cheater Tomlin said "You saw what happened at the end there." Yeah...we did...and you get off scot free yet again.
Message from the NFL:
Be the instigator and you will be just fine...not fined with a d...just fine.
General rule of society, please let me know where you looked that up.....now complete breakdown of society or law of jungle might apply. Men use to walk out back, use fists on each other, then go back to what's important or real. Myles, JMHO, could be charged with assault. If guy on bench comes over and hits you across the head with helmet- which could kill you- would that be assault. It's different if you're wrestling in game...NOT. Play hard, hit as hard as you want...LEGALLY.
One of our so called leaders/ best player we got/ first round pick/ first player picked is UNAVAILABLE for how long- unknown...just what we needed. Our coach brought this on the organization by broadcasting- we don't take nothing....well, ain't we sweet so far. Good luck rest of season and no kidding, we'll be lucky if some dumb Steeler fan doesn't decide to use his gun at next game....part of our wonderful society. GO Browns!!!
Want some good reading? Look at Harrison’s twitter. Saying no room for that in the game .....let’s just say the Internet didn’t disappoint . I’m betting he felt like an idiot for saying anything
I find it curious that Troy Aikman was talking about "looking back at this moment" as potentially when the Browns turned the tide on the rivalry.
I'd say, this is an iconic a moment to turn the tide as any. We may look back at this in 5 years as THE turning point of our franchise. I know that is a mouth full, seems unlikely but we out physicaled them all game, we out hit them and out lasted them, we were the better team for the first time in 2 decades. Then Myles beat down their QB with his own helmet.
Why in heaven are Myles and the Haslam's apologizing to Mason Rudolph? He started the whole thing and we are now apologizing for what he got? My goodness. Where is the Steeler apology for starting a fight? As the cheater Tomlin said "You saw what happened at the end there." Yeah...we did...and you get off scot free yet again.
Message from the NFL:
Be the instigator and you will be just fine...not fined with a d...just fine.
And in turn Rudolph calls Myles a coward.
Yeah. Myles is my hero now. I'll be buying his Jersey for sure.
We finally stood up to the bullies, and the bigger bullies (NFL) are trying to bully us again.
Next time we play the Steelers I hope someone breaks Rudolph's knees.
I NEVER hope for injury. I don't want Lamar Jackson hurt. He's a great player that beats us on the field, but is a class act.
RUDOLPH IS A THUG. He started the fight. He attacked Garrett. He then attacked Garrett AGAIN while being RESTRAINED. Rudolph should be suspended 4 games minimum. Instead? Nothing.
I'm so sick of this. We need a new owner or something. We need to get respect from the NFL. WTF is Haslam even doing when the teams meet? just cow-towing to whatever the Rooneys/Krafts want?
Myles Garrett will lose at least $1.139 million during his six-game suspension
Plus fines.
FOR DEFENDING HIMSELF!
I cannot believe how nobody except Browns fan will acknowledge that Garrett was UNDER ATTACK.
He should've dropped the helmet before defending himself OBVIOUSLY, but if you've ever been attacked you know you don't have time to be logical, your body responds to save itself.
And I've never been attacked by 2 guys at once, that's probably even more adrenaline.
I hope Garrett sues the NFL and Rudolph.
I'm so irate.
Ugh, wish I could just enjoy a Browns victory of the Steelers.
Also WHY IN THE WORLD IS OGUNJOBI SUSPENDED???? Fined, sure, but suspended???
I think that's a conversation that 100% needs to take place. I hope Mason gets fined and suspended.
It doesn't change what MG did - doesn't make it right or justify it. . . . Or I should say it justifies him wanting to get into it with Mason and any other nearby Steeler. It does not excuse trying to hit him with a helmet.
I think Rudolph playing will get the D more fired up than if he was suspended. I am fine with him playing and I hope we hit him (legally) a TON and intercept him another 3+ times. I hope we embarrass him and goad him into doing something emotional and stupid ..... On O - Baker and the guys need to keep it tight disciplined and just find a way to win.
While what Myles did was totally wrong it’s also totally bogus that Rudolph didn’t get suspended. Just another example of the NFL and the media showing favoritism to their darling Steelers. At the very least Rudolph should be made to publicly apologize for trying to pull Garrett’s helmet off and kicking him in the groin. Rudolph is being treated like a choir boy. You can just tell by his arrogant smirks that he is a jerk. That said, Myles still deserves to be suspended.
people justifying what Garrett did is absurd...oh... he called me a name..let me try to kill him with a weapon.. gmab. Nothing anyone did justifies what garrett did..i would be very suprised if he doesn't get atleast a year suspension.. I don't think people realize how egregious this was and NFL has to make a statement..this isn't a kick or a punch, this is weaponizing a piece of equipment and attacking a player without equipment. Garrett deserves everything he's going to get..lets not forget this isn't the first time he's done something punishable. (Titans game)
Dude, general rule of society is that if someone starts something with you, then you get to use whatever means at your disposal to fight them.
Heck, its even encoded in the laws of our country. If you have a weapon and someone attacks you, then you get to use that weapon or any other you can find on them!
Again, NFL rules prevail and they get to punish the players as they see fit, but all of this noise about Myles using the helmet as a weapon and potentially getting prosecuted/sued is nonsense.
From an NFL rules standpoint, Garrett is in the wrong, from a societal standpoint, Garrett is justified in hitting Rudolph with the helmet and Rudolph is 100% in the wrong.
If you watch the tape, Garrett was kicked in the groin by Rudolph. Watch close as the steeler is pulling Myless offf.
None the less, you ca hit people with a helmet. Myles will probably get suspended a dew games next season as well. I am thinking 10 games in total.
people justifying what Garrett did is absurd...oh... he called me a name..let me try to kill him with a weapon.. gmab. Nothing anyone did justifies what garrett did..i would be very suprised if he doesn't get atleast a year suspension.. I don't think people realize how egregious this was and NFL has to make a statement..this isn't a kick or a punch, this is weaponizing a piece of equipment and attacking a player without equipment. Garrett deserves everything he's going to get..lets not forget this isn't the first time he's done something punishable. (Titans game)
Dude, general rule of society is that if someone starts something with you, then you get to use whatever means at your disposal to fight them.
Heck, its even encoded in the laws of our country. If you have a weapon and someone attacks you, then you get to use that weapon or any other you can find on them!
Again, NFL rules prevail and they get to punish the players as they see fit, but all of this noise about Myles using the helmet as a weapon and potentially getting prosecuted/sued is nonsense.
From an NFL rules standpoint, Garrett is in the wrong, from a societal standpoint, Garrett is justified in hitting Rudolph with the helmet and Rudolph is 100% in the wrong.
This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read. Don’t talk to me about any means necessary because it’s simply not true. I’ve witnessed first hand that circumstances require measured and controlled response. Someone picks a fight with me on the street 9/10 i could kill them easily and quickly with my barehands. So because they attacked me first I should kill them because I’m just defending myself? Sorry but given my training and ability, it would def be deemed excessive and would almost certainly be punished accordingly. Nothing that Rudolph did justified him using helmet as a weapon. If he’s truly scared for his life against a preppy qb then he’s in the wrong sport. Hell who’s to say Rudolph wasn’t just trying to get his helmet back.
Yes, If someone crazy attacked you out of the blue and they happen to end up dead afterwords (taking things to the most extreme scenario), then I really got no problem if that person is eliminated from society.
Garrett should be punished because he broke the rules. But I have no sympathy for Rudolph and characterizing a helmet as a deadly weapon is a bit of a stretch.
I put 90% of the blame for the fight at the feet of the clear aggressor. More often than not, the aggressor in a fight comes out on top, so seeing the aggressor get beat down in embarrassing fashion is always great.
Myles just needs to keep taking as high a road as possible. This stuff WILL weigh in and in his ultimate favor. One would think the league couldn't possibly ignore it. As it stands the rest of the season is too much when you review it all. 4 games...
Still worth it IMO. We got the win and dominated them. Garrett rode Rudolf like Santa Claus.
Sorry ... but let me be clear I understand you.
It was worth losing our best player indefinitely in order to make the Browns look like idiots and thugs to the rest of the Nation ... and it's worth it because? Why ??
Sorry - I don't get that. Not one iota.
If we want the Browns to be tough with an opponent that has dominated us physically in forever ... Garrett didn't add anything to the whopping we put on the steelers for 59 minutes and 52 seconds. In fact what MG did was undo most of that. I'm really shocked people don't understand that.
Hear all this stuff after the game, all over, all the news,
Somehow, it's all different when you see the video for the first time,
Man Myles Garrett was the victim in all this, where was the team, where were the refs, how do you get Myles Garrett being chased down by 3 steeler players, backing him in to the end zone.
I knew since it was the steelers, there had to be some bad fault coming from their end, yep, pretty clear,
I think we'd all be better off if they just kicked the steeler organization out of the league, " indefinitely "
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All people aren't going to see the same action from the same point of view.
How the heck, (I didn't see the game), do you get a bench clearing brawl with like 20 whatever seconds to go in a 14 point game.
UGGH!
( They covered this in that football movie, with Scott Bacula and the Texas State Armadillos)
" Their ain't no Brawl" "What do ya mean their ain't no Brawl!"
