Groh could be on the Schwartz or McDaniels staff.

Is that Al Groh related

son, i believe.

I haven't seen his name connected with McDaniels at all. Schwartz would make sense.

Doug Pederson had a press conference yesterday and said that both of these guys would be retained.

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2020/01/nfl-ru...-the-moves.html

Here today, gone tomorrow.

I linked him to McD based on Al Groh connection.

What connection do Al Groh and Josh McDaniels have? I know Groh worked for the Patriots but that was 30 years ago.

Thanks

None - it was a reach based on possible Bellichek connection, but Al Groh was more connected to Parcells, than Belli.

This is our first assistant that has left.

I realize that I'm taking a "throw the baby out w/ the bathwater" mentality, but if I were a decision-maker in Berea, I'd be packing the boxes for any non-ST coach. Can't let them go fast enough.

I thought that we weren't allowing our Assistant Coaches to take job offers?

I guess that was more fake news.

I’m fine with Wilkes leaving

I believe the Tweet said 'some', and not all coaches.

I don't like the NFL rules for coaches.

I see a coordinator position as a clear promotion. I don't like that teams can block those interviews.

Once a head coach is fired, I don't like that teams can block assistants from interviewing for positions. Most coaches don't keep but 1-2 from the previous staff.

Those guys are following a dream. They want to be head coaches and feed families.

It's a shameful thing to mess with a persons career and livelihood.

JMO

Two candidates I'm hearing for the Eagles offensive coordinator post are Jim Caldwell and former Washington OC Kevin O'Connell, per source.

https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/1215362055076745222

Any part of the job involve tackling well? I won't miss his stuff.

I hear ya, but only seven days of training camp are allowed for full pads. That's tough on DC's I would think.

That doesn't hurt teams like Pittsburgh, Balt, NE... Sorry, I don't buy that. You learn to tackle in pee wee. If you make it the pros on def, you know how to tackle well. If you tackle poorly, its on you and the coaching staff for not holding you accountable to do so.

j/c...

I would have interviewed Joe Brady for the head coaching job. Getting him as an offensive coordinator would be a coup for the Panthers. My guess is that LSU gives him a blank check.

If Ruhle really wants Brady, Tepper has even bigger blank checks.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...b3-04978861e794

If true the Browns have a 67% chance of screwing this up.

Per that article, we have narrowed it down to 3

McDanials, Stefanski and Daboll

Does Haslam even know Daboll was once with us? I can't believe he'd still be in the mix over Roman, Bieniemy, and Saleh.

I can't believe he's in the mix, period.

DABOLL??????

Daboll . good grief !

Stefanski-good god.

Zimmer to Stefanski;

"Go over there in the corner,sit down,stup up and pay attention to everything Mr.Kubiac does."

Lets hire that guy.

j/c...

Hmm. Another John Carroll/McDaniels guy getting a gig...

There certainly are a ton of them

All this O'Connell angst. Why not just hire the guy he worked for as our OC?

Jay Gruden is an Ohio native. He's familiar with the AFC North from his time in Cinci.

There are plenty of other capable coaches out there, too.

Well, just thinking out loud, if McD is the pick for head coach, one would think he’ll bring the Pats offense with him. Do any of these hired guys know/are familiar with that system? I’m thinking that McD might have a guy in mind who is already familiar with it to ease the implementation.

Chad O'Shea as his OC, perhaps. Recently fired OC for Dolphins. Secondary coach for Indy - Johnathon Gannon as DC, perhaps. Scott Pioli or Zeigler as GM.

O’Shea has a history with the Pats system, so that would fit. Worked with McD, so there is that as well.

How about thinking outside the box a bit. The Pats O worked for them because of Brady. Baker might be a good QB, but he isn't that.

The Pats didn't run a traditional running game. We currently have 2 backs who between them need 35 carries a game. Maybe near 40.

Sony Michel is as good as Nick, but he's not because he doesn't get the work. One week he might get 20 touches, then the next he gets 8.

Nick Chubb had 52 more carries than Sony Michel. That's less than 4 more per game.

Chubb averaged 5 yards/run. Michel averaged 3.7.

Chubb averaged 93.4 yards/game. Michel averaged 57.

Chubb had 11 runs of 20+ yards. Michel had 3.

He is nowhere near as good as Chubb. (and I wanted to draft Michel in the draft when the Pats took him)

There's really no comparison between the two.

Ok....not going to argue that too hard...as a SEC fan I do like Georgia. I live 11 miles from the Georgia state line. Hard not to watch their games or talk to their fans.

I did also like Cubb, but when he got hurt, Sony filled in well.

I live in a strange area,,,,tri-state. Both Georgia and Alabama are a few stone throws away...Alabama maybe three.

Obviously there are a lot of Vols fans, but there are a lot of Georgia and Bama fans as well. Hard to not be friends with a fan from one of those teams. I always tell them, Go Gators.

So because you live close to the state of Georgia Sony Michel is as good as Nick Chubb in the NFL?

That is a very astute use of analytics.

Analytics. McCarthy style!....

lol Michel filled in nice for Chubb, before chubb got hurt he was the best back in the nation by a long stretch..Michel isn't anywhere near as good as chubb. Give chubb NE line to run behind.. how many times has chubb been hit in the backfield or hole and still made his yards..

yeah - i could not figure where he was going with that.

I would take Chubb over ANY RB in the NFL including Zeke ...

I concur doctor

Wow stefanski's offense looked like trash. Also, most of their fans seems to be begging us to take him off their team

Absolutely. Things always get better the closer they are to me.


My comments were more about college experience. As expressed, backs who play for Bill get unpredictable play.

Lol I’ve been reading this too

Titans, Henry is a better RB .... JMHO

The Titans have a much better offensive line than the Browns and that factor must be considered when judging RBs.

What Chubb was able to accomplish with this offensive line was remarkable.

I'm not saying Henry is better than Chubb, but there are other factors that have to be considered when judging RBs.

And whose fault was that?

Not Chubbs

OC was always within his element. HC? Not so much.

Shurmur has not been a horrible offensive coordinator. I don't know how anyone ever hired him as a head coach after his time with the Browns.

We don't want Sherman back, thanks.

I think we can do better, but we can also do worse for OC. I highly doubt Haslam signs of on that hire. He fired Shurmer once already.

Great hire for Ruhle...

He is going to be their OC.

Great hire by the Panthers. One of the hottest assistant coaches out there.

Of course we didn't get him.

This is a huge deal. I wanted to interview him for our head coach opening. I'll be interested to see what LSU does at the OC spot. One of Joe Brady's mentors, Joe Moorhead, is still unemployed.

Was never really impressed with him

He's considered to be a pretty innovative offensive mind.

To be clear, I was talking about LSU's OC opening, not ours. I want to have as many guys from the Shanahan/Kubiak tree as possible.

I understand..I was just commenting from my experience with him when he was in Akron. Living in Canton and being 15 mins away. There are a lot of my friends who kids played for the Zips.

Went to many and still do Zips games..Never was impressed with him there. But that doesn't show his full career.

Ruhle loses his LB. Keuchly retires.

Shocked to see that, he was taken a lot of hits to that head of his...well looks like another suitor for Joe Scho

j/c...

Pretty sure this is exactly what Jerry was trying to stop from happening, right?

I think he thought Garrett would be their head coach, but yeah. In reality Jerry Jones should have been encouraging his rivals to hire Garrett.

Adding college coaches to NFL staffs is a smart move. I hope we get some on the staff.

Why do you feel that way?

Ron Mexico (Virginia Penal)?

I believe there are certainly variables to that line of thought. I feel if you have a very experienced coaching staff in place with an established way of doing things, integrating college coaching talent into such a system makes perfect sense. The Steelers have such ingredients in place.

As of this time we have no way of knowing the makeup of our coaching staff. Considering at this time we have a rookie HC, I would lean in the direction of having a very experienced staff in place to help him face the hurdles that lie ahead in such a situation.

Most of the innovation in football, especially on offense, is taking place at the lower levels. Getting someone from that level would bring some knowledge from outside the NFL bubble that would be helpful.

I agree for the most part. That doesn't mean you can't hire an offensive quality control coach or assistant QB coach to the mix from college just to get their perspective.

I think once again there are variables. I think a lot of that depends on your QB. If you have a more prototypical QB, I don't believe it would help as much as if you have a more mobile QB.

Interesting.

I know that is why a lot of NFL coaches spend time in the offseason visiting with some of the more innovative college coaches.

My concern would be that the college coach wouldn't be able to adjust to the pro game and get their position adequately ready.

Flip Wilson?

I think DeFilippo is better suited as a QB coach. JMO

All I remember about Flip is that his offenses were panned as heavily as Shurmur's and Mo Carthon's. How and why he continues to get looks as an OC is beyond me.

J/C

I guess 2019 didn't happen hhahahah

If that's the way Monken wants to approach it, I can't really blame him.

Since he was just OC in name and didn't call plays, he's probably trying to forget it all.

I think that's the way Georgia wants to approach it

I wish Monken best of luck in his new job. I don't really have a positive or negative opinion of his time here. It was an odd fit between him and Kitchens from the start. Time to move on.

Breaking: Former Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett has agreed to become the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants, a source tells
@WerderEdESPN
.
https://twitter.com/CST_4200/status/1218361076120723457

payback time for Jerry

I'd like that. Lol

The Browns have made an addition to their offensive coaching staff.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that they have hired former Dolphins offensive coordinator Chad O’Shea. O’Shea spent last season running the offense in Miami, but was dispatched by the team at the end of the regular season.

O’Shea will not have the same title in Cleveland. Per the report, he will be the wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator. O’Shea was the receivers coach in New England for 10 years before moving to Miami with head coach Brian Flores.

The Browns are also set to speak to former Broncos offensive coordinator Rich Scangarello and Rapoport reports they have interest in 49ers offensive assistants Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel. It’s not clear if either would be given permission to interview with the Browns, however, and there’s reportedly a chance that the Browns go without a formal offensive coordinator with head coach Kevin Stefanski calling plays on offense.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/browns-add-chad-o-shea-150302712.html

If I were KS, I’d give playcalling to McDaniel to get him aboard

The other KS might have the same idea for keeping him onboard in San Francisco. Luckily, he can only give playcalling to one of his assistants.

I wonder how much the similarities with Shanahan influenced the Stefanski selection.

Report: Stump Mitchell to remain as Browns RB coach
Jeff Risdon
20 hours ago

One of the more popular and respected coaches from the 2019 Browns staff will stick around in 2020. Running backs coach Stump Mitchell is going to continue in that capacity under new head coach Kevin Stefanski.

Numerous outlets, including Nate Ulrich of Ohio.com, reported the news that Mitchell will remain on Monday afternoon. The Browns have not officially announced the move, however.

Mitchell is a former NFL running back himself and has worked quite well with standout Browns RB Nick Chubb. He’s also been helpful in developing the passing game skills of the Browns stable of RBs. The 60-year-old Mitchell came to the Browns this past offseason from the Arizona Cardinals.
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https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/...vou0_WRS2QLz66E

We will have a nice blend of holdover coaches. That helps the new staff get a better feel for the players they inherit, and it helps the players when not everybody is a strange face.

So far I like the ones they have kept and don't have an issue with the ones they let go. I certainly didn't want to lose Priefer.

I agree with both of you guys. Smart to keep some familiar faces, as long as they fit the scheme and can be positive contributors and I'm sure they will be, since the ones being kept are good.

No problem with anybody let go, so far.

I agree Priefer or whatever the ST coach's name is. I wanted to keep him. I kind of thought we might keep Adam Henry.

At that level, all of those guys know what they are talking about and pretty much teach the same things as long as we keep it in the same scheme. O-line guys might teach different methods.

I am eager to see who we hire after Woods signs. I take the lack of defensive coaches at this point is to allow him to provide his input since Stefanski isn't a defensive coach.

Stef can hire offensive guys because it looks more or less like he will be the ultimate O coordinator. There has been word we may not have a "coordinator", which can work. Callahan is Sr asst. coach along with O line coach. Maybe he is heavily involved in rolling out game plans. Maybe there is still a hire on the way to do that.

It didn't work with Freddie. But I don't think Freddie is as smart, organized, or experienced in forming game plans as Stefanski. Freddie probably was never involved until last year. Stefanski as been involved in that for at least a few years if not more.

Stefanski took over as OC in Minny with 3 games left in the 2018 season. He was OC all of last season. Like Freddie, he has experience as position coach at TE, QB, and RB.

I'm not as quick to either jump on the bandwagon or abandon ship as some seem to be. I'm looking at the entire process one step at a time. I remember a very short time ago to hear it told on here, Wade Phillips was ready to sign and would be our next DC. So until the ink dries color me skeptical about conclusions about who will be here and who wont.

Until we see how things are going to run, I won't jump to conclusions on what the exact responsibilities are of each part of the coaching staff is and how this thing will unfold.

I certainly understand how and why people wish to go in another direction than my approach. But I'm just watching things unfold and basing my opinions on things as they do.

Freddie Kitchens' buddy. There were rumors about Kitchens being on the Giants' staff.

NYG fans are melting down about the staff Joe Judge is putting together.

I think Freddie would be good .. just don't want him calling plays and being the head coach.

FK to the Giants, hmm ... He’ll actually be okay in a QB coach/OC assistant type role

Definitely will. Most of our ex-coaches deserve those opportunities.

I always feel bad for Hue Jackson. I get that he has to build his career up from somewhere, but people laughed about him being an OC for a Marvin Lewis led team.

There's plenty of evidence that Hue is a good OC. Just as Romeo (while not a great head coach) was a very good DC. Pat Shurmur is a decent OC, not a good Head Coach. Mike Pettine, who knows, he screwed himself with Jim O'Neil (but he's a very good Defensive Coordinator).


They got hired as Head Coach for a reason. Generally because of their success as coordinators/assistants

Good luck Freddie.

Brown and orange don't matter anymore.

For sure. I think it's ridiculous/fascinating that after all this time and the countless firings/hirings throughout the league, in general nobody has really figured out the hiring process for an NFL HC.

There is no magic bullet for finding a perfect head coaching hire ... and even if there was, around half of the coaches in the league will still end up at or below .500.

And over half of ours will shoot themselves in the foot with the magic bullet. You know about HC success in hindsight.

I wish FK well, but not too hard. Good guy, just somebody else to beat.

j/c...

Kubiak was never leaving Minnesota. It didn't make any sense for Zimmer to start over on offense. I thought Kubiak would stay in his previous with his son taking over as offensive coordinator but this makes even more sense.

I’m still holding out hope for McDaniel to be OC

I'm with you. And I think it is something that could be in the works. Nobody has been attached to the position yet, and Stephanski has commented on not being in a hurry.

Jay Gruden next Jaguars OC...

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jaguars-hire-former-redskins-coach-jay-gruden-as-oc

That’s a good get for them ... he got hosed in Washington big time .... he never really got a chance as they never had any talent ...

Would have loved to have seen him go work for his brother ... *L* ...

I dunno. I always thought they had some amount of talent on those rosters. They always seemed to have a QB that was at least mediocre until Smith went down (I think they also had QB injury issues another season or two, as well, but anybody's season will go in the tank when they lose their QB).

My brother-in-law is a 'Skin fan. The way he describes it, that team is far more similar to the Browns (in terms of 'Browns'ing' things up) than any team should be. It's always something with them.

LOL. Less said , the better perhaps?

The #Giants are expected to hire former #Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens as their new tight ends coach.

https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1221879032557367296

Good for Freddie,,, wish him well

He’ll do well in a limited role like that IMO. He’s a good players coach/position coach

We talked to Scangarello about joining our staff.

Freddie.. "If you don't wear blue and red you don't matter or blue and white " " whoopty-hell, alright " “Nobody else matters”

This is a pretty big deal. I’d guess teams try to get creative with titles to prevent other teams from going after their coaches.

It is a big deal, but it's overdue and makes a lot of sense. This rule didn't treat coordinator positions as different from position coaches, and I think that's pretty silly. As a position coach, interviewing for a coordinator position is interviewing for a promotion.

Some of us wanted Mike McCarthy. Others, who are smarter and more handsome, did not.

Hey! I’m ugly and Ok with it (but yeah, McCarthy wasn’t a choice for me)

I didn't want McCarthy. I was hoping for McDaniels. However, I have been impressed w/the job Stefanski is doing.

Somewhat aside, while I don't think McCarthy is a great coach, who are these Dallas players to call him out? Maybe they should be looking in the mirror?

Maybe after having coaching genius Jason Garrett for so many years they are just not used to below average coaching.

LOL

I wanted Mccarthy.

Although I almost did an about face after they did that piece on him where he talked about how much football had taken him away from his family...then had him almost breaking down in tears saying how much his family needed football...as if they didn't want him around.

That was interesting.

I wanted the D Coordinator from SF but have been pleasantly surprised by Stefanski

You and your infatuation with GMdawg

This is pure speculation, but I wouldn't doubt Zeke being one of them.

I didn't want McCarthy either. He was buoyed for a while by Rodgers and I felt like he could never get a good run game going.

I said smart AND handsome.

I wanted McCarthy at the top of my list. Rhule was #2 and Stefanski might have been #3.... I am very happy at this point in time with Stefanski. Hope it's a trend that continues!

Throwing your new coaching staff under the bus before the mid-point of the first season? Had to double-check they weren't talking about the Browns.

I wanted nothing to do with McCarthy, and was told I had no desire to win if I didn't want a Super Bowl winning coach like him .......

Sounds like Jane Slater is the MKC of Dallas?

Because she is a female reporter?

Yeah. The unsubstantiated gossip similarity didn't even cross my mind.

Jane Slater works for the NFL and is not a beat reporter.

Lol. She works for the NFL Network and covers the Cowboys.

Nah, it's your unconscious gender bias rearing its ugly face again...

She's based in Dallas and covers the Cowboys.

He was campaigning for a job.

That video wreaked of desperation. Huge turnoff.

Are mechanical bulls part of the comparison? Kind of a honky tonk tabloid sensationalism.

I wanted Rivera, then McDaniels, then Stephanski.

I am happy with what I have seen from Stephanski.

Who is Stephanski?

I agree. He’s been very good IMO. We are much more disciplined, there’s not as much drama, we have better clock management, etc.

You can tell he doesn’t know our division well yet, though. He was WAY more prepared to face Dallas (a team he’s seen much more)

That's an interesting theory. Not trying to argue, but I'll wait for Balt and Pitt 2nd rounds before I form an opinion on him in-division.

yeah for sure, same here really