J/C I am a little suprised by this as I really did not think he did much at all. Maybe with the new scheme he will show a little more, but overall not impressed with his play.
I will say, I loved when we put him in during garbage time against the Ravens in the first game last year. He still was able to score a TD. That’s exactly the type of back breaker you like to see when you play teams like that.
I will say, I loved when we put him in during garbage time against the Ravens in the first game last year. He still was able to score a TD. That’s exactly the type of back breaker you like to see when you play teams like that.
I think he is most valuable in situations like this.
He also is quick enough to be a real threat in the screen game. He has 4.42 speed.
Of course nobody liked that Hunt was susp. last year.
I don't think Hilliard scared any of the Browns' opponents last year, and he got way too many touches in the first 8 games, for the other options on the team.
Like in the movie My Cousin Vinny,
Where the non Ralph Macchio kid says about hiring the wrong attorney, it's not just not asking the right question, what if he asks a bunch of questions and the witness has all the answers, he ends up proving the prosecutions case.
He'd better be able to return punts or kickoffs at a high level or it's just a waste on the roster.
With the expanded rosters this year, maybe not. There could be room for him and some rook.
yeah it will be interesting to see what positions benefit from the extra spots ... especially since WR is not a high priority for Stefanski and our FO
I wouldn't say wr isn't a priority, but TE is, we will probably keep 4 on the roster. I bunch receivers and tight ends together and just call all of them receivers. So those numbers cancel each other so we still have the 2 extra slots to fill.
I don't get the impression linebackers are key in our D, so we probably keep one extra safety.
I'm not sure how long Hilliard was trying to play through an injury. He definitely looked less good the longer the season went on, and he did end up on IR. We've had worse guys on the team in the past, and if healthy, he could be a pleasant surprise. He plays special teams.
This kid LeMay is a short yardage back one that we lack. We'll see what happens but there is nothing Hilliard brings to the table that the Georgia back Herrian can't do.
Hunt is excellent and will take most of the reps Hilliard was getting the first half of the season.
He is meh to me. Seems to work hard but I see these guys wanting their UDFA picks to take over his roster spot. jmho
This kid LeMay is a short yardage back one that we lack. We'll see what happens but there is nothing Hilliard brings to the table that the Georgia back Herrian can't do.
Hunt is excellent and will take most of the reps Hilliard was getting the first half of the season.
He is meh to me. Seems to work hard but I see these guys wanting their UDFA picks to take over his roster spot. jmho
We have the best short yardage RB in the League in Nick Chubb.
If we're hitching our wagon to Chubb for the long haul (sounds good to me), then getting someone that can take those short-yardage carries off his plate is smart for his longevity.
This kid LeMay is a short yardage back one that we lack. We'll see what happens but there is nothing Hilliard brings to the table that the Georgia back Herrian can't do.
Hunt is excellent and will take most of the reps Hilliard was getting the first half of the season.
He is meh to me. Seems to work hard but I see these guys wanting their UDFA picks to take over his roster spot. jmho
We have the best short yardage RB in the League in Nick Chubb.
This kid LeMay is a short yardage back one that we lack. We'll see what happens but there is nothing Hilliard brings to the table that the Georgia back Herrian can't do.
Hunt is excellent and will take most of the reps Hilliard was getting the first half of the season.
He is meh to me. Seems to work hard but I see these guys wanting their UDFA picks to take over his roster spot. jmho
We have the best short yardage RB in the League in Nick Chubb.
First and goal might not agree with you.
what about the other ten players?
You think that they have any control over the success of a play?
What about the predictable play calling?
And how about the runs Chubbs made out of nothing? ... making a silk purse out of a sow's ear!
I actually believe Hunt is a better short yardage back. Chubb is certainly a more productive back but in short yardage situations I think Hunt holds the advantage.
Chubb is a very good back, and has made something out of nothing many times, but that is not the same as being a good short yardage back, let alone the best one in the league.
If he were the best one in the league, then he could get one or two yards even with the predictable play calling and poor blocking.
He does not just take the ball and hit the line, he takes a slight pause and looks for a hole. That is not the best approach in short yardage.
Chubb has been amazing when he can cut and go. He sees creases on the field, and just explodes. Unfortunately. we stunk last year in "short" situations.
This could be a playcalling issue, could be an OL issue, and it could be that Chubb is not as good in stacked box situations as he is in others. Nonetheless, last year he was called upon 16 times in 3rd/4th and short (1-2 yards) and gained a total of 17 yards on those runs. That doesn't sound too bad, until you also notice that he had a long run of 15 yards in that situation. That means that the other 15 runs in 3rd/4th and short gained a total of 2 yards.
Just on a similar note ... out of boredom I’ve watched a few games from 2018. I watched our game at Oakland (first of all, we BLEW that game AND got the short end of a few key calls ... no way we shoulda lost that game).
Anyways, watching Carlos Hyde was painful. The fact that he was getting the majority of our carries at that point makes no sense to me ... and IYRC Chubb had 3 carries for like 100 yards and 2 TDS haha.
Chubb’s combination of power, speed, and elusiveness is crazy
I actually believe Hunt is a better short yardage back. Chubb is certainly a more productive back but in short yardage situations I think Hunt holds the advantage.
Why?
Does he break more tackles? No! Not imo.
Does he run with better vision ... again not imo.
Jim Brown wouldn't have scored on some of those GL plays this past season ... again imo.
I don't think that we have seen the best of Nick Chubb hitherto.
Hunt seems to be a more violent runner than Chubb. Chubb is hard to bring down but has some quick twitch where guys don't really get their hands cleanly on him. Hunt seems to want to run over and punish people.
Hunt seems to be a more violent runner than Chubb. Chubb is hard to bring down but has some quick twitch where guys don't really get their hands cleanly on him. Hunt seems to want to run over and punish people.
There is a time for that ... but it's not going to help your cause with a jail break in your backfield as your receiving the hand off.
The preception (with the certain series of plays in question) is that Chubb had a hard time, but upon further review, (he was hung out to dry) ... most backs would have lost more yardage then he ended up losing when things where all said and done.
-1 , -0, -0, -4 iirc...
After that series I was fully aboard the fire Feddie ~~~~~@train______
I actually believe Hunt is a better short yardage back. Chubb is certainly a more productive back but in short yardage situations I think Hunt holds the advantage.
Why?
Does he break more tackles? No! Not imo.
Does he run with better vision ... again not imo.
Jim Brown wouldn't have scored on some of those GL plays this past season ... again imo.
I don't think that we have seen the best of Nick Chubb hitherto.
The best is yet to come
I can answer why. Please don't get mad. This seems very personal to you. This discussion has cropped up a few times.
Chubb is a more patient runner. Hunt is more decisive. On the goal line, decisive is better unless you have a very good run blocking OL.
Chubb is more upright. Hunt runs w/a lower shoulder pad. Again, that favors Hunt.
No one is knocking Chubb. He's my favorite player on the team. No one is saying that Hunt should take Chubb's spot as the top RB. Some of us are saying that we prefer Hunt in short yardage/goal line situations. It's okay if you disagree, but not all of us are clueless.
I agree that we have the best RB combo in the entire league. I think both guys are in the top 10. I think they are higher than that, but just being conservative.
We probably won't keep both and some folks are already talking about getting rid of Hunt, but I would love to keep both. Both those guys are truly special.
I want to add that I love Chubb's demeanor. He is the one star on our team that isn't cocky or a look-at-me guy. He is quiet and understated. He is very classy.
Hunt has issues, but on the positive side, the guy is a hard worker and knows what it takes to win. I loved the passion he brought to blocking for Chubb last year.
The short-yardage running game in last year's offense was unreliable regardless of field position. It lacked creativity. Neither Robinson or Hubbard were able to consistently make blocks on unimaginative Gap-blocking plays to convert or score in short yardage. Better play design and playcalling should improve Chubb's production in these situations.
I spent three years in the Glassbowl watching Hunt run through and around MAC and other mid-major competition. He does run with a certain amount of abandon. He can be as physical and punishing as he can be elusive. Both Hunt and Chubb are great backs. Stylistically I think Hunt runs with urgency and explosion. Chubb runs with patience and power. The short-yardage plays that were used last year turned Chubbs' patience into a disadvantage.
Hey guard, I agree w/almost all of you what you said. There is a lot of good stuff in there. I don't agree that the parts about unimaginative play calling and how that will make a difference this year. That stuff is as basic as it gets. The rest......I agree with.
We ALL love Chubb, bro. There is no denying that. What astounds me is that there seem to be a lot of folks on here who underestimate Hunt.
Not me, I hope we have both for the next several seasons. Would be great to have some run dominant wins and a pair of pro bowl RBs every year to rely on.
We ALL love Chubb, bro. There is no denying that. What astounds me is that there seem to be a lot of folks on here who underestimate Hunt.
Not me, I hope we have both for the next several seasons. Would be great to have some run dominant wins and a pair of pro bowl RBs every year to rely on.
Being able to run at will crushes teams and the safest way to wins. Having a 2 headed monster in the backfield creates problems for a D. You have to key on 2 players. Extend Hunt for 3-4 years.
I like it. Then when the time comes, if you desire, he can be traded for a 3rd rounder with a year on his contract. Signing him is like buying insurance if Chubb gets hurt. It also reduces the chance Chubb get hurt because he won't get as many carries and overworked. It helps Hunt from not being overworked. Both guys seem like the type that don't need every carry. They will feed off each other like brothers. You compete, but you root for the other. It's a good tandem.
It also buys you a good draft pick when it comes time to move on and we decide it's time to trade one of them to get maximum value for the team. That is just a part of the business side many fans don't like. Think of it as trading in a car. Do you wait until it is worn out or do you trade while it still has some value? It's a hard decision.
This kid LeMay is a short yardage back one that we lack. We'll see what happens but there is nothing Hilliard brings to the table that the Georgia back Herrian can't do.
Hunt is excellent and will take most of the reps Hilliard was getting the first half of the season.
He is meh to me. Seems to work hard but I see these guys wanting their UDFA picks to take over his roster spot. jmho
We have the best short yardage RB in the League in Nick Chubb.
Best all around back but sometimes in short yardage he is a little gassed and if you note in the past we sometimes take Chubb out to spread the formation. I agree Chubb is do it all. But this kid Le May is built low to the ground and is the bowling ball type. I think you will see what I mean when we get some good views in Preseason.
While Chubb isn't bad at catching passes at all, Hunt really has that extra dimension to his game. Having a guy that can just as easily catch a pass and smoke you with a move or two as he can pound it right through you is devastating in that situation.
The salary cap will put a damper on your plan ... it would be great but its just not realistic in todays nfl ... we finally have some talent worth keeping ... and its gonna cost us ...
Jim Brown wouldn't have scored on some of those GL plays this past season ... again imo.
I don't think that we have seen the best of Nick Chubb hitherto.
The best is yet to come
Chubb is a more patient runner. He has what I think is better vision. The issue is that isn't what one consider strengths at the goal line. You need a RB that when he gets the ball simply explodes to the hole. One who gets lower and attacks.
I think you're actually getting a bit defensive with this. There's no doubt if I had to choose between the two Chubb is the guy I would want to keep. I mean we have a FB on the roster for short distance, goal line type situations.
But Chubb isn't the only great back in the league who sits on short and goal situations. That doesn't make him any less of a great RB.
The salary cap will put a damper on your plan ... it would be great but its just not realistic in todays nfl ... we finally have some talent worth keeping ... and its gonna cost us ...
yeah, thats my thought too. Ideally we’ll have to re-sign Myles and Baker ... and lets not forget about Ward ... we’ll have a tough choice with Chubb/Hunt
The salary cap will put a damper on your plan ... it would be great but its just not realistic in todays nfl ... we finally have some talent worth keeping ... and its gonna cost us ...
yeah, thats my thought too. Ideally we’ll have to re-sign Myles and Baker ... and lets not forget about Ward ... we’ll have a tough choice with Chubb/Hunt
Jim Brown wouldn't have scored on some of those GL plays this past season ... again imo.
I don't think that we have seen the best of Nick Chubb hitherto.
The best is yet to come
Chubb is a more patient runner. He has what I think is better vision. The issue is that isn't what one consider strengths at the goal line. You need a RB that when he gets the ball simply explodes to the hole. One who gets lower and attacks.
I think you're actually getting a bit defensive with this. There's no doubt if I had to choose between the two Chubb is the guy I would want to keep. I mean we have a FB on the roster for short distance, goal line type situations.
But Chubb isn't the only great back in the league who sits on short and goal situations. That doesn't make him any less of a great RB.
Yes you're probably correct Pit, I might be a little defensive here, but tell me that we would even be having this conversation IF Hunt wasn't on the team.
BTW ... I know that stats are for losers ... but both of thier respective college careers (44) and in the pros (17/16) rushing TDs' are pretty even, with Hunt having one more in the League having played three more total games and carries, and Chubb with less carries/games in college.
It's by no means is a perfect and conclusive indicator, but its close enough to call this debate for what it is ... splitting hairs!
Where we agree, that's cool where we disagree that's cool also.
The team failed too many times to make the line to gain in short-yardage situations. There were numerous plays blown-up behind the line of scrimmage. A lot of that is asking players, particularly on-line, to execute assignments that weren't suitable for their skill sets.
I like Hunt also..kid is good. But he was brought in by Dorsey and the new guys might not overlook the trash that come with him - as long as he stays a boy scout its a tough decision on what to do with him come contract time although he's a Brown's fan so he might give us the right to a special offer that he would accept not possibly the largest offer just one that he can be happy with.
Chubb is a super star but most RBs start to burn out by year 8.
Most of these rankings are worthless in the big scheme of things, obviously. Pretty crazy though, according to this scoring system we have a 13 point spread over #2... Nowhere else in the rankings is there more than a 3 point spread. In fact, there is only 22 points separating #2 from 32.
Most of these rankings are worthless in the big scheme of things, obviously. Pretty crazy though, according to this scoring system we have a 13 point spread over #2... Nowhere else in the rankings is there more than a 3 point spread. In fact, there is only 22 points separating #2 from 32.
exactly ... they dont mean anything, i was just surprised at how far ahead of the pack we were
One can say that they don't mean anything, but it would be foolish to say that Chubb and Hunt are light years above any other combo.
I don't know... it's not the most outrageous thing to come from a talking head. Chubb and Hunt are both beasts, and we made a couple big-to-huge upgrades along the line. Conklin, and even Wills should be a safe upgrade, in terms of run-blocking. All that, and we aren't even talking about probable upgrades in scheme. I'll buy it.
Taking a step back, what we did/have with our run game is pretty crazy coming out of this offseason. Hunt and Chubb both have claims as top NFL RBs, and then we added an elite run-blocking RT and an upgraded rub-blocking LT. We added a FB and some blocking to our TE group.
what about the other ten players? 