We need a much better backup QB. Sunday was a trainwreck.

Right now I would be more than glad to take Carson Wentz over DTR. (Hell, I'd even take Colin Kaepernick, but that's stretching things more than a bit here.)

DTR should probably be placed on the practice squad if we get someone new who can take care of business.

Thoughts?

DTR was atrocious, and so was our plan with him. We didn't tailor ONE thing to simplify it or make it easier for him. IMO, we DID expect Watson to play and he kinda blindsided us by saying he couldn't go ... but STILL, we had to make it easier for DTR (and I'm not excusing his performance because it was embarrassing).

I think the problem we face is trying to have a backup who has a similar skillset to DeShaun and our offensive approach. Dobbs was honestly probably our best shot at having that.

DTR played like a rookie that had 1 day to prepare. It is what it is.

If there's a finger to be pointed, it's the fact that DTR is our 1 and only option for backup. Teams with actual playoff aspirations make sure that what happened Sunday doesn't.

[quote=3rd_and_20]DTR should probably be placed on the practice squad..../quote]

Not in my opinion. That would surely destroy any confidence he has left...

DTR was atrocious BECAUSE of our lunacy of a game plan. He was never given a chance to succeed....

A lot of me wonders about Watson because reports were that we were shocked he wasn't going to play. Just a typical cluster by our FO and coaching staff

He was 50/50 to play this week and the Browns knew that. No reason to let the cat out of the bag early and let the Ravens know.

Well, as long as there were reports.

I don't know. DTR pretty much performed like bad Carson Wentz. I expect that's what we would have gotten from him as well.

OL needs to play better. I think we might miss Conklin for his effect on the psyche of the OL (and offense as a whole) more than his play. They just all seem kind of out of it. Lacking some fire, something.

Without Conklin, Chubb, and Watson that's quite a leadership drain on the field.

I just want to say something, and I am not really making the comparison a dead fact, but when Nick Chubb was a rookie, and he blew a pass pro in that first game, there was a very vocal segment of the fanbase that wanted him cut immediately.

It was the first game of DTR's career ..... and much of the rest of the team played like they forgot to show up. I am not willing to pillary and destroy him over that 1st game against a tough opponent., who always gives us trouble.

lol, no... there wasnt a single person ever ask for nick chubb to get cut, and chubb as a rookie never sucked as bad as DTR did yesterday. Chubb has been top of the class since his first snap. Bottom line is we need a different QB to backup watson this season, DTR ain't the guy for now. He needs alot more reps and preferably when the games don't matter. PJ Walker would have been a better option if no other reason than he's played in games at this level

I was hoping DTR would look a tad more prepared, but it was just bad on all fronts. Coaching, execution, etc.

I wanted to see us use his legs a little more than we use Watson's

I suggest you go back and read the thread from his 1st game. You will find that you are grossly mistaken.

The Browns have a set of rules, that they call GUARDRAILS, that they operate by.

The first GUARDRAIL stipulates that the Browns SHOULD NOT PAY for DEPTH. Last season the Browns violated their own GUARDRAIL, signing Jacoby Brissett to be Watson's backup during his suspension. The Browns went 4w-7 loss with Watson at QB while the exact wording says the Browns stipulates that the Browns should not pay for depth.

This season the Browns analytics folks sent all their experienced QBs packing while naming their ROOKIE qb fill the backup QB needs.

Brissett now fills the backup role for the Commanders who obviously have no problem paying Brissett to fill their needs for a backup QB, knowing that the UNEXPECTED DOES HAPPEN. The Browns analytics crew to the a chance, trying to save a "buck" by not paying for a backup QBand now they look like the fools who are forced to learn all their lessons the hard way as the losses begin to pile up.

They signed Brissett to start while Watson was out. That's not exactly depth. It was a rather unique circumstance.

What teams are consistently winning with backup QBs?

Tough decisions have to be made at every position and for every roster spot. If they were easy, so many GMs wouldn't fail.

We were hoping to develop DTR into a consistent, affordable backup. Unfortunately, he got called up sooner than expected.

This is the Browns. Are you not used to weird, bad... stuff happening? There's always something new to go wrong.

Lolz.

You all are forgetting that he had all of 1 day to prep to be the starter. That's a really rough draw even for the vewts we're casually throwing around on here.

Again, if we're going to Monday Morning QB this one, it's on the decision made in the off-season that made DTR our only real option.

You are correct. Chubb missed a block on a punt that was then blocked. There were those labeling him a bust then. A few weeks later he had his breakout performance vs the Raiders.

Yes, they should have ran right at their D which stacked the box to stop the run and set up to stop the screen pass instead. I'm certainly glad that the Rats didn't know we had a rookie QB starting his first NFL game and weren't set up to stop the very things most people seem to be suggesting Stefanski should have done instead. That makes so much more sense.

I love the purple text, even after all of these years lol

I'm somewhat of a traditionalist.

you and Coach B

I lack the back story to be paced in that category.

haha very true

What's with the attitude? You (should) know as well as anyone, that there were things we could do help DTR....he was literally getting killed out there. Yes, I believe we should have run more, grind it out, keep the game close and let our defense win it for us. Easy to criticize but not offer your insight...

Not many weeks ago people were wanting to make him the starter. Glad that thought is gone.

So, some thoughts...

First, Josh Dobbs was re-signed with the intent to dangle him as trade bait from the get go. I don't think there was ever any intention to keep him for any length of time.

I also think there was a distinct attempt to not have a real good back-up. I am not saying I agree with that, but with all the whirlwind around Watson last year the last thing the Browns needed was a QB controversy, and I agree with that. Watson is our qb for at least the next 2 years. After that we could conceivably move on to someone else if needed.

Also, good back-up QB's don't come cheaply. They are usually vets and demand a good deal of money. When you are already paying your main guy top dollar, you aren't looking to pay a back-up who might play a few quarters a year. At least everybody hopes that's the case. If you are going to pay a top level back-up QB, then you are going to have to skimp somewhere else. QB isn't a rotational position where DL as an example is a rotational position. If you want to be good on the defensive front, you need at least 6 starting quality guys every game.

It's easy to say we need a better back-up QB, and I don't disagree, but where do you want to weaken the team to get that? No team is going to have excellent starters and good back-ups at every position. Somewhere you are just going to have to decide you are going to be a little thin at this or that position. I am sure the plan/hope was we would never have to play DTR this season other than a few plays here and there.

Salary cap just doesn't allow that.

Considering what happened maybe they should have announced it earlier.

Why? Game time decisions are made every week around the NFL.

I am not putting you comment down, I just don't follow why it would have made any difference? I am sure behind closed doors they told DTR to be prepared to start.

I think it is pretty simple. You lost Chubb and Watson. What play-calling strategy are you expecting to overcome the loss of two-thirds of your offensive playmakers?

If you were the Ravens and facing DTR without Chubb, what would you do? Load the box stopping all run plays forcing Cleveland to become one-dimensional.

Hmm, what chance does any QB have with a one-dimensional offense?

Let's face it Watson and Stefanski need to do a better job protecting the QB position. Dobbs or DTR wasn't going to beat the Ravens without a lot of luck.

When you learned Watson was out, what odds were you giving Cleveland will beat the Ravens? It's not like the Ravens are average.

It sucks but it is what it is. It could be worse and Cleveland is 1-3. Bye week and on to San Fransico.

It might have been a difficult position to be in but as a HC, do you give your team a chance to win or is there confidence in you by the players that you can adjust? The purpose of the game was to win. No one gave a sh_t about how they won. Though running the ball would have been extremely difficult, why wasn't the run game used to play a game of field position? You had one of the best defenses in football through the first 3-weeks of the season. Why wouldn't you want to put it on their backs to make something happen? Using 12 and 13 personnel should have been the trend. The passing game would have consisted of slants and flat passes with an occasional deep sideline pattern where either your player catches it or it goes out of bounds. Don't give DTR an opportunity to make a mistake. Run the dang ball. Continue to punt for field position and be patient. Wait for your defense to make the play to help out the offense. The Browns were winning the field position game in the 1st qtr before DTR threw the interception intended for Cooper. Come on man, it was a 3rd and 3 from the Cleveland 45 and they threw a 17-yard pass that was intercepted and returned to the Browns 10. If you throw a flat pass, slant or run and don't make the 3-yards you punt and pin the Ravens deep. Instead, poor play calling gave the Ravens a 10-yard short field and the route was on.

DTR had a bad game, but the HC didn't put him in a position to be successful or win. Having DTR throw 36 passes is an absolute joke. Only running the ball 25 times with a struggling rookie QB is an even bigger joke. Hell, the Ravens ran the ball 33 times for 143 yards compared to 19 passes (thought our run defense was fixed). Face it, Stefanski got schooled. Sad part is DTR is the one who took the blows for Stefanski being outcoached, again!

The more I think about it, the more I think you have a good point. He's got to be given a little longer rope.

There are a good number of people in here that act like those fans on a current commercial...they start knocking food off the counter, a guy starts burning his gear in the backyard. Ranting how the seasons over..then someone reminds them that is only the 1st play of the new season.

I think a good number of them were the ones calling for DTR to start over Watson and now they see how foolish that thought was and now want nothing to do with the guy.

What should you look for in a back-up quarterback?

Should it be a veteran who has seen time as a starter? A guy who has been in the league and really knows the game? Guys like Fitz, Josh McCown, Andy Dalton, Jacoby?

Or, someone who has a similar game as your starter? Tyler Huntley.

Or, young guys that you are trying to develop like Brock Purdy before he became the starter.

We had Dobbs. A guy who has been a backup but rarely played.

DTR from his play in camp and pre-season basically beat out Dobbs.

Rodgers was backup for three years. Jordan Love was then Rodgers backup.

Each situation is different and maybe there is no right answer. If you have an aging quarterback who you want to replace in few years. Maybe you go the route of a developing guy. If you have a proven yet young starter. Maybe you go with the veteran.

My preference for a contending team is the veteran. McCown, Jacoby.

Jacoby was our backup but he played so well that he put himself into a potential team starter. Baker was brought into Tampa to either be the starter or the backup. Baker would be a good backup if the team had a better starter.

DTR showed enough to earn the job. It is not fair to look at the Raven game and give up on him IMO.

The reality is. It is hard to find a starter. 32 teams and not all have starters who you can win with. So, there are backups that are not good enough to start over guys who may not be even good starters.

Keep in mind how different things would be if Nick didn't get hurt. He would have been the go to option to help a young guy like DTR. Teams would know Chubb is coming. The passing game would have been more open.

Things change. For me, the best back-up is a guy who can run. A QB running is different than defending a RB. I would have liked to see DTR run the ball more. QB draws, RPO's, roll-outs

I am not sure Chubb would have made a big difference in that game. With DTR in, the ravens dictated that he was going to have to beat us with his arm. I don't think having Chubb in the game would have made a 24 point difference. If teams want to stop the run, they can stop the run.

Nick may have broken a long gainer, maybe helped score a TD more and maybe a fieldgoal, but no, the QB was the big problem Stefanski faced. Stefanski needed to change the plan, and didn't.

The things you can ask of Watson aren't the same things you can ask of a 5th round rookie in his first game action. You have to be able to pivot when the circumstances dictate.

That was my thing Peen ... I was really hoping to let DTR run 10-12 times ... keep us ahead of the chains, put pressure on their defense in a different way

Teams have loaded the box against Chubb and still got beat.

The Raven game who knows?

If you can eat clock and keep the offense on the field. The defense is resting. Chubb alone makes play action viable.

Then again sometimes you just get beat.

IMO, the moment the Ravens had the INT returned to our 5 yard line the game was over ... we had to do ANYTHING possible to avoid turnovers. We needed to play the field position game and let our D win it

The insight was obvious. Do you think the Ravens didn't know that DTR was starting? That they have been in the same system for as very long time now? That they weren't stacking the box against the run and that we don't have Chubb?

So it seems to be your opinion, as well as many others that the Browns should have attacked them with what they were prepared to stop. That they run the ball which would have been an exercise in futility.

Honestly, after closer examination, I think DTR kinda tried to be the hero too much instead of just taking the open checkdowns.

That can be a hard lesson for young QBs to learn.

Can't try to get it all back in one play if that play really isn't there.

Having a Backup QB who is experienced at running your offensive system would be high on my list of desirable qualities.The longer Brissett played in Stefanski's offensive system, the better he looked.

But the Browns analytics driven front office would rather risk lossing a few more games in 2023 knowing that they nailed one of Depodesta's GUARDFAILS (DON'T PAY FOR DEPTH).

I guess the Browns front office has a new standard for judging team success...the Browns GUARDRAILS DEFINE SUCCESSS by the number of cheap backups they sign are more desirable than winning enough games to secure a playoff birth.

While I won't get into all of the strategic hand wringing, there is no doubt that the lack of a better quality back up QB on the roster rests on the shoulders of the people in the FO.

With a rookie QB, you know that you're up against the odds, so you go with what you do best. You of course, run the ball mixing in the odd screen, slant, etc. You get what you can; you know you're not going to score 27 points so get the odd FG and let your defense win you the game. Nothing wrong about winning 9 - 6. How many points did we get Sunday and nearly got DTR killed? I'll take the boring 3.5 yds/run thank you. And p.s. - let's see more of Strong Jr.....

No matter what weakness our FO doesn't address adequately with the roster seems to come to an ugly head. This year back-up QB. Last year DL etc. One year it was LB or safety. The back-up QB this year could easily have been addressed. It wasn't and cost us a game and all this indignation which will go on for 2 weeks. Very avoidable.

Since when, after Chubb's injury, is running the ball "what they have done best"? You may want to look back at the Titans game and then tell me what the Browns were doing the best when they throttled the Titans. Here's a hint, it wasn't running the ball. Your scenario says that no matter what defense they are running, do what they are prepared to stop rather than do what they're not prepared to stop. Somehow you have made up your mind that would have been the better option and changed who would have won the game. The Woody Hayes three yards and a cloud of dust theory would not have changed the outcome of that game.

And you can attempt to try and use the Steelers game as an example, but their D had to account for watson. The Ravens D didn't.

Unfortunately, Brissett and Watson are significantly different stylistically. Brissett was a decent fit as we transitioned from what we did with Baker to what we wanted to do with Watson. As we witnessed, the Baker to Brissett transition was much smoother than Brissett to Watson.

Watson was going to be our starter. We wanted his backup to have a similar play style so we wouldn't have to change a bunch of things if he had to come in. I also think not wanting to change a bunch of things when Watson wasn't expected to be out for long (if at all) was also a factor in what we saw.

Instead of arguing over the backup, we should focus on the starter who would rather sit than play free being cleared to play… Not my QB.

Lolz.

I'd rather have him miss one game than be hurt the rest of the season. Sometimes you have to look at the big picture or at least try to find a balance. I know some people have trouble seeing the forest past the trees.

For 230 million we have to respect DW's wishes and needs!! He obviously felt like he couldn't go so that was that.

I’d rather he man up against our toughest division rivals, else what are we even doing here?

/purple

Yup.. I agree.. I don't remember for sure but was there ever a rookie back up to ever successfully take over for the starter? I mean other than Tom Brady who I think we can all agree, was a special case.

DTR will be a good backup. He just needs to have time to learn and DW not to get hurt this year

Trying to win a Super Bowl? They don't play it in September.

You gotta get to the playoffs first, and they are playing for that every game. DW gave this one to the Ravens. Last weekend, DW was the best player on their team, IMHO.

The more you post, the more you don't make sense. I thought you said you were done with this team? Not?

If a rookie is good, he's usually starting these days.

Brady actually only threw one completion his rookie year in 2000.

He started games in 2001 after starting as the backup.

2007 Derek Anderson replacing Charlie Frye was another 2nd year guy that started as the backup and had a pretty solid season.


Brock Purdy did alright coming in as a rookie last year, I believe.

I'm pretty sure Lamar was still the best player on the Ravens.

DW didn't give them anything, each team plays with 11 on the field at any given time. Better to find out what DTR needs to work on now than when we're facing elimination.

There was some of that as well.

Had to edit for my comment to make sense. I thought I had quoted...my reply was in reference to your comment about DTR trying to play hero ball.

The Browns defined their FRANCHISE PRIORITIES when they named their 53 man roster. The two areas of the roster that concerned me the most were KICKER AND QB, followed by the OL depth.

So, Watson goes down just before the game against our hated rival, THE RAVENS...and the only BACKUP QB the Browns have available is a rookie QB..'who has NO EXPERIENCE PLAYING IN A REGULAR SEASON game'..

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR THE BROWNS ANALYTICAL FRONT OFFICE...a 28-3 BEAT DOWN.

The Browns front office decided that it was OK if the Browns lost to the Ravens as long as the QB met their ANALYTIC STANDARD OF BEING THE CHEAPEST QB AVAILABLE.

Losing SUCKS...

LOSING CHEAP SUCKS EVEN MORE

Time for the GUARD-RAILS TO BE FLUSHED..!!

Losing 28-3 while paying Jacoby Brissett $8M would have left me feeling worse. We lost the game Brissett started against the Ravens last year and he had been the starter going into it. Your record doesn't look different based on point differential.

We got beat. The Ravens may have done it if a healthy Watson played. It happens. The Ravens played well. When Lamar is playing well, they are a dangerous team.

Throw in a QB on short notice and things will often (always?) be discombobulated. Doesn't matter who it is.

I'm more worried about the OL than the backup QB.

I'm worried about the entire offense not named Cooper or Njoku ... we know what we're getting from them

Our OL has been really disappointing .. couple that with us losing Chubb and an injured Watson .. that's a recipe for 4-5 wins

j/c

Should Watson have played?
I think, in general, yes. With the Bye Week to follow, and being medically cleared to play, he should have just played and then had the two weeks after to rest things up.
I don't think the coach can force him to play in a medical situation, though.
In short, he didn't feel like it, which tells me that he's just here to cash checks.

In essence, the moment he tapped out, we knew we were likely losing the game because unless DTR could step in and do well enough as a passer to start beating them with his arm, we would be shut down. All they had to do was play the standard rookie approach of bring insane pressure while selling out to shut down the run, and then prey upon the mistakes that follow. I'm betting that it was as easy for them as our game against the Bears and Justin Fields in 2021.

I agree. I think we should have risked playing him ... even if it would allow us to function like an actual pro offense instead of what we saw. The ravens basically knew we were incapable of doing anything

I just love reading the hyperbole trying to compare a QB who simply can't throw the ball due to an injury with manning up. Comedic genius.

....I kind of think teams are attacking the OL more than they were attacking DTR. OL needs to figure out how they are handling stunts. They've been awful at that in particular for the most part. Fortunately against Tennessee, Watson bailed us out repeatedly by avoiding the pressure. I think that helped brush the OL's issues under the rug for a bit. Problem was still there, though.

Time for Callahan to live up to his reputation and get the OL sorted out or teams are going to stunt us into oblivion.

Yes, then just imagine all the crap we would see being posted...... 'He looks horrible! He can't even throw the ball!" "What an idiot thinking he can play with his shoulder all messed up like that?" "He looks horrible!". "Stefanski should be fired for letting him play!"

If the man couldn't throw the ball he shouldn't have played. I guess it's up to everyone to decide for themselves if he was actually able to throw the ball last Sunday. You know, through their crystal ball. Under neither scenario would this have turned out good in the eyes of many.

I can agree with Purp's sentiment. Also with Pitt's reasoning, though it seems a reasonable setoff outcomes.

But I wanted to post this today, but I am not sure what to make of it. At gametime, I learned DW wasn't playing and the rook would start. I saw a number of shots of DW walking his hat around on the sideline. The dynamic was bad IMO; he looked distracted and was really riveted on a pad for quite some time, I think even after kickoff. He didn't seem engaged with players, and wasn't following the game much at all that I saw. Saw few people near him. Looked almost angry or frustrated. The rook was treated to a beating and took many shots. Ski didn't do much to roll him, move him, or offer routes that were shorter. We seemed to ignore the run, probably because the pass was so terrific.
In the course of this beatdown, there was zero "badassery" on offense, and I saw no interaction between DW and the rookie, trying to help him out and give him some advice and encouragement. Throughout this, Watson looked haunted by his insistence he couldn't play and wouldn't go. Ski seemed to throw him under the bus when he said DW was medically cleared but chose to call off this game. DW didn't look happy with his decision at any time. This disturbed me. We need a vet who will play. This nonsense kind of injury (now I will play and now I won't) can stretch on as long as it is allowed. I am reading tea leaves here; I suggest they have started to point south. Short of playoffs, these division games are monsters. Maybe he would have played if it had been more important. Sunday it wasn't.

I think if one were to take a closer look, the short routes were there but DTR chose not to target them. I don't think the inability to be able to throw the ball is related to your opponent.

I havent seen a report that said he couldnt throw. Ive seen that he was cleared but he didnt feel as if he could go.

I think if there was common knowledge DW couldnt throw the ball as youve said a few times, noone would question him. I dont think thats the case but maybe i missed something. Ive been busy since Sunday.

Can you please show where anyone that was close enough to the situation to know all of the facts that questioned him? All I see are a bunch of armchair QB's and "sports journalists", and I use that term loosely, who have no idea what actually went down doing that. Sometimes you may wish to ask what the people actually know about a situation while they're asking questions or making assertions.

No dude. Im not the one spamming the board with the statement he couldnt throw the ball.... the onus is on YOU to provide some substance to that claim.

I'm not going to bother to find the article but Andrew Berry said it was obvious DW wasn't going to play. Now, that may have been Sunday morning, might have been Saturday. he said it was obvious to him and the coaches.

I haven't been any of the people spamming the board claiming he should have played while not knowing if he could throw the ball either. What we do know is that he has fluid on his shoulder which in and of itself would indicate it's far more likely than not he was unable to throw the ball with any strength or accuracy. I haven't seen anything that points in the other direction besides bluster.

I'm not sure where you are getting this from. I distinctly remember them showing DW and DTR sitting side by side with Watson pointing things out to the rookie on the Surface pad during the broadcast.

Watson was angry and frustrated that he wasn't able to play. How do you want him to feel? He wants to play, he wants to win, he's a competitor. He had pain and lack of power while just tossing the ball pregame. He wasn't going to be able to drive the ball into tight windows or down the field. You can't just take an injection and gain power while maintaining the fine control needed to be accurate. He thought it would feel better. It didn't. He had probably recovered from similar situations faster in the past. He's not as young as he used to be, unfortunately.

I am not saying you're wronmg, but I don't recall seeing Watson sitting with DTR at all. I remember seeing the QB we brought up from the PS sitting with DTR, and going over thigns with him on the tablet, but I don't recall DW with himm at all.

8:20 left in the 2nd quarter.

I'll drop a screenshot in the discord.



They are doing similar around 12:00 left in the 3rd quarter but both are sitting. Charles Davis commented about Watson giving DTR the "benefits of his wisdom."

Yeah I do remember seeing Watson talking to DTR on the screen ... my point remains that Watson will never get the benefit of the doubt by the general public (really in any regard ... he's viewed as something negative) so he's going to have to change the public perception by himself

Unfortunately, public perception is something he has no real control over. People suck at being objective. It is what it is.

Brock Prudy SFO 2022.
Taking over for an injured Jimmy Garoppolo, Purdy, (a 7th round 262nd overall of the 2022 NFL Draft) finished 7-0 in games he started and finished. He had the San Francisco 49ers one game from the Super Bowl before suffering a torn UCL ligament in his right elbow in the opening quarter of the NFC Championship

Justin Herbert LAC 2020
The Chargers decided to ease Herbert into a starting role after selecting him with the No. 6 pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. However, a medical accident that left Tyrod Taylor with a punctured lung sprung the former Oregon gun-slinger into action in Week 2. In his first game, Herbert flashed against the defending champion Kansas City Chiefs, tossing for 311 yards, one passing touchdown, and one interception while adding a rushing touchdown.

Dak Prescott 2016
Selected in the fourth round of the 2016 NFL Draft, Prescott was never supposed to start in his rookie campaign. However, backup Kellen Moore broke his leg in training camp, and longtime starter Tony Romo suffered a vertebral compression fracture in Week 3 of the preseason. All of a sudden, Prescott was the starting quarterback for America's Team.

Ben Roethlisberger PIT 2004
Much has changed since Roethlisberger replaced injured teammate Tommy Maddox in Pittsburgh's second game of the 2004 season. One thing that had remained the same, however, was No. 7 being the starting quarterback for the Steelers.

Steve Young TBB 1985
Replaced injured Steve Deberg for the final 5 games of 1985.

A note about Tom Brady - contrary to your post, Brady never started a game during his rookie year 2000. He threw a total of 3 passes with 1 completion for 6 yards his entire rookie campaign.

Would you like to see a list of all the times it failed? I didn't think so.

Do what you want - that was not the question or statement. It was how many rookies were successful taking over for the starter in their rookie year. The thought process was only Brady but that was not correct. I'm sure there have been many failures but that wasn't the topic sir. I have no beef with you, just replying to a particular topic.

Just showing that the odds of the counterpoint are much, much, much more significant than the odds of success when it comes to this. Nothing personal was intended or implied.

Cool. Thanks.

I wanted to get an idea what the rest of the teams in the NFL were doing about manning their "back-up QB" position. These are just the AFC half of the NFL, but it gives us an idea how other teams manage their rosters concerning backup QB needs.

The Browns were the only team in the AFC use a rookie QB with no prior NFL experience as their backup QB for a regular season game.

Pretty self explanatory ) the team...) the #2 QB/yrs of experience...)#3 QB/yrs of experience.
Info used info from ourlads




Buffalo...#2-Allen, Kyle-5y
Miami.....#2-White, Mike-5y.....#3-Thompson, Skylar-2y...
N.Eng.....#2-Zappe, Bailey-2y...#3-Grier, Will-5y...
NY Jets...#2-Boyle, Tim-5y...

Balt.......#2-Huntley, Ty-4y....#3-JOHNSON, J.-9y...
Clev.......#2-Thompson-Robinson, Dorian-R....
Cin........#2-Browning, Jake-1y
Pit........#2-Trubisky, M.-7y...#3-Rudolph, Mason-6y...

Texans....#2-Mills, Davis-3y....#3-KEENUM, CASE-11y...
Colts......#2-Minshew, G.-5y.....#3-Ehlinger, Sam-3y...
Jackson..#2-Beathard, C.J.-7y...
Titians...#2-Willis, Malik-2y...#3-Levis, Will-R...

Denver....#2-Stidham, Jarrett-4y...
KC........#2-GABBERT, BLAINE-12y...
Raid......#2-O'Connell, Aidan-R....#3-HOYER, BRIAN...15y...
Charg.....#2-Easton Stick-5y...

Geez, Brian Hoyer is still around.... Yikes

If you're going to claim the Browns are the only ones, you probably shouldn't copy a list that shows the Raiders using Aidan O'Connell. Just saying.

and he had one of the best stretches in our post-99 history too ... 9 years ago already

bull...who is backing up O'Connell for the Raiders..? The Raiders backup QB is Brian Hoyer, filling the position of the Raiders #3 QB.

The Browns don't have one of those, a #3 QB.

Now you want to complain about the backup to the backup? Jimmy G is LV's starter. AOC (no, not that AOC) is his backup. Hoyer is the backup's backup.

PJ Walker is our QB 3 at the moment.

Nothing you wrote here makes the erroneous claim you made any less wrong.