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Kind of off topic, but seeing how the NFL and NCAA are beginning to allign with one another as far as discipline (see Terrell Pryor) I think they should implement a rule where if a player is caught breaking certain NCAA regulations (accepting monet from agents, etc) that they would be forbidden from partaking in the NFL combine. If players feared hurting their draft stock due to the reprucussions of their NCAA violations it may serve as a greater deterrent.

I totally disagree. I think the NCAA is overreaching in their expectations of the athletes behavior off the field and to extend that to what is expressly a business would be in very poor taste.

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I totally disagree. I think the NCAA is overreaching in their expectations of the athletes behavior off the field and to extend that to what is expressly a business would be in very poor taste.

and the NFL would have none of it. once they played their last game, the NCAA has no jurisdiction over them anymore and the NFL is not about to give them that power.

Teams would just work them out a different time. All the players already participate in Pro Days as it is.

I agree with your premise, I think, that it's a crappy system when a kid breaks the rules, declares for the NFL.. then the coach gets slammed, the program gets slammed, the kids still on the team who did nothing wrong get slammed.. but the kid that broke the rules walks away without any real punishment...

But I still don't think your system will work. If you were an econ major and got caught cheating on a history test, the school can punish you but they can't prevent you from going to a job fair or an interview.. and that's basically what you are asking them to do.

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I totally disagree. I think the NCAA is overreaching in their expectations of the athletes behavior off the field and to extend that to what is expressly a business would be in very poor taste.

I tend to agree, many of their regulations are way out of line for today's day and age.

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But I still don't think your system will work. If you were an econ major and got caught cheating on a history test, the school can punish you but they can't prevent you from going to a job fair or an interview.. and that's basically what you are asking them to do.

excellent analogy man

i'm very surprised not to see Adcock listed. he looked very good when I saw him play and thought that he was a surefire combine entrant. I do know he has a knee injury he is nursing.

guess that means we can just get him later in the draft?

Well, according to their site their aim is to invite all prospects that will get drafted, they invited over 300 players....Adcock is ranked 247th by nfldraftscout and has a non draftable grade by PFW...I'm not agreeing with this, but just saying...maybe there is a medical or character or whatever red flag

Stephen Hill from Georgia Tech is gonna dominate the combine

`I liked Adcock as well but he is a guy that just never got down into a 3 point stance. I still have him as a 3-4 round grade but just like with the spread QBs, gotta project the spread OT's also.

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I totally disagree. I think the NCAA is overreaching in their expectations of the athletes behavior off the field and to extend that to what is expressly a business would be in very poor taste.

I agree with you about the NCAA overreaching views but aren't universities expressly a business?

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i'm very surprised not to see Adcock listed. he looked very good when I saw him play and thought that he was a surefire combine entrant. I do know he has a knee injury he is nursing.

guess that means we can just get him later in the draft?

It is surprising that he isn't listed. Adcock will be drafted and he'll be playing in the NFL. I guess they just needed to add some kickers and punters on the list of invitees.

Wouldn't shock me if Alshon Jeffrey showed up fat and overweight

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Wouldn't shock me if Alshon Jeffrey showed up fat and overweight

Na ... He'll wait until after some fools draft him and then he will eat himself out of the League in 3-4 years.

I can't believe those that still think this guy is a 1-2 round range.

No doubt he's lost some luster.

I think he started to believe some of the things being said, which were true, then quit working. He needs to adjust his attitude. He is still a good prospect, but I'd take several receivers over him at this point.

Pre-Combine News & Notes

14 Feb

As we move closer to the combine here’s the latest news and notes making their way around the scouting world as players, coaches and NFL decision makers prepare to descend on Indianapolis. Feb 14th: Updates on Toone, Burfict & Boykin

- Sources tell me the recent injury, or re-injury. to the foot of Nick Toon/WR/Wisconsin, continues to be an issue. Evidently in recent training for the combine, specifically when working on starts for the forty, Toone was experiencing significant foot pain. Everyone we’ve spoke with say its unlikely the Wisconsin receiver runs at the combine.

- On the other hand I’ve been told the reported broken leg suffered by Brandon Boykin/CB/Georgia at the Senior Bowl was nothing more than a leg injury and is a dead issue as far as teams are concerned. Boykin has been training for the combine and we hear he looks sharp. There’s been no definite word on whether or not he’ll run in Indianapolis.

- The buzz around Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict unfortunately continues to be negative. I was told at the Senior Bowl when he showed up for combine training in January, Burfict looked soft and out of shape. Latest word has him completing less than 15 reps on the bench recently and Burfict has been slowed by a leg (hamstring) issue. All that we’ve talked with say the biggest issue surrounding the often times dominant linebacker is work ethic.

Feb 10th

- Many are still wondering what position Melvin Ingram will be playing in the NFL; Outside linebacker? Defensive end? Three technique tackle? Much will be determined by his combine workout, specifically his forty time. If what we’ve been told over the past few days comes to fruition those who project Ingram to outside linebacker will breathe easier.

I’ve been told expect Ingram to run in the 4.6’s at the combine, terrific speed for someone who tipped the scales at 276-pounds at the Senior Bowl. Someone that’s viewed Ingram’s recent workouts in recent weeks referred to him as “fast” and “athletic”. Another person familiar with the South Carolina program went a little deeper. Seems Ingram previously ran in the 4.4’s early in his Gamecock career, albeit 40-pounds ago and many are convinced a time in the 4.6’s, or possibly faster, is legitimate for the play making defender. If he runs close to the times Ingram will skyrocket up boards.

- A report surfaced on Twitter last week that Alabama safety Mark Barron underwent surgery to repair a double hernia and will be out until July. Sources I spoke with confirmed the report and it was double hernia surgery- at the Senior Bowl word was it was just single hernia. At the same time I was told the recovery should be no more than 4-to-6 weeks, 8 at the most, from the time the surgery was completed.

- Another pass rusher that’s looked good in combine training has been Syracuse junior Chandler Jones. I’m told the majority of teams presently grade Jones at defensive end on their draft board and think moving him to outside linebacker in a 3-4 is a stretch.

- I am also hearing Michael Floyd looks good and will run a forty time faster than anyone presently predicts. The good news is Floyd is healthy from the injuries which kept him from attending the Senior Bowl. The better news is he plans on running at the combine, barring any last week tweaks.

- Mike Adams combined terrific play during the Senior Bowl with solid interviews all week. Adams evidently answered all questions the scouts had about any perceived character issues. The former Buckeye continues to climb draft boards.

- Former Auburn tackle Brandon Mosely, who missed the Senior Bowl due to a bout of viral meningitis, is completely healthy and plans on working out at the combine.

- As we posted on Twitter, many were caught off guard when Miami-Ohio lineman Brandon Brooks was not invited to the combine. Brooks was the top player during Shrine practices and has been graded as a third rounder by a number of teams. Brooks will be one of the busiest post-combine players that travels the nation.

Ten teams have already told the big blocker they will bring him in as one of their allotted pre-draft visits. For Brooks these visits are likely to be more involved than other players flying visiting franchises. Teams will be completing full physicals and other work usually reserved for players at the combine when Brooks arrives at the facility.

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Thanks Mourg.

Sucks for Brooks. As I posted in that thread, he really dominated the Shrine game.

I don't get the hype around Jones. What did he have, 4.5 sacks? 10 over the course of three years? And some are calling him top 40?

Bummer for Barron.

Ingram's got to learn to use his hands better if he's going to be a DE.

1) I'm thinking Burfict will fall in the draft and fall HARD. I'm thinking he will be there in the 3rd round.. I'd draft him if so.

2) I really want Michael Floyd. I think he is a great WR and would really help stretch this offense. I'm crossing my fingers he is there at 22.

Browns: This week's NFL combine is about much more than Robert Griffin III

Published: Monday, February 20, 2012

By Jeff Schudel
JSchudel@News-Herald.com
@jsbrownsinsider

Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon, left, against Stanford's Myles Muagututia, right, during the Fiesta Bowl NCAA college football game Monday, Jan. 2, 2012, in Glendale, Ariz. (AP Photo/Paul Connors)

Contrary to what the situation might seem after reading the comments of prominent draft analysts last week, the NFL scouting combine that begins Wednesday in Indianapolis is about far more to the Browns than just Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.

A total of 327 players will be measured, tested, timed and prodded by all 32 teams in the NFL. Most importantly, they will be interviewed.

The Browns' entourage will be led by General Manager Tom Heckert. Team president Mike Holmgren runs the show in Berea, but draft preparation is definitely Heckert's baby.

"We think we have a pretty good defense; we really do," Heckert said during a season wrap-up, the last time he made himself available to the media. "We think that's only going to get better with the young guys playing more, and we think we have a chance to be really good on defense.

"Obviously, on offense we need to upgrade all over the place. We want guys that score touchdowns. We've got to protect better. We are looking at all the positions."

Last week, NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock and ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said if they were running the Browns' draft, they would package the fourth and 22nd picks in the first round in a trade with the Rams for the second pick and use it on Griffin.

If the Browns do make that deal with the Rams, they won't make their next selection until they pick fifth in the second round — 37th overall. By then, they could get shut out of the top wide receivers in the draft.

According to Mayock, the wide receiver talent drops after the top four, which he lists as Justin Blackmon of Oklahoma State, Kendall Wright of Baylor, Michael Floyd of Notre Dame and Mohamed Sanu of Rutgers. All are projected as first-round picks.

"I think as far as Blackmon is concerned, you have to look at him a little bit like Larry Fitzgerald a few years ago (2004), which (means) I don't think he's going to run a great 40," Mayock said during a conference call. "I think he's going to run a 4.5 or a 4.52 or somewhere in there. And I think you have to say that's OK, because he's big, he's physical; he's got tremendous body control and tremendous ball skills.

"I don't think you're going to see a guy that wows you with vertical speed, but his body control, hands, ability to catch the football are exceptional."

Wright, the fastest among the top-rated receivers — coincidentally, Griffin's college teammate — has been clocked at 4.42 in the 40-yard dash. Joe Adams of Arkansas is projected to be among the fastest receivers at the combine (an estimated 4.38 40-yard dash), but NFLdraftscout.com ranks Adams as no better than a third-round pick.

Alshon Jeffery of South Carolina will also attract attention at the combine, and he could be available with the 37th pick. But Mayock is not a big fan of Jeffery's.

"Alshon Jeffery does not separate," Mayock said. "What those guys run (at the combine) is going to be very important."

Jeffery has run the 40-yard dash in 4.56 seconds. Mayock was critical of Jeffery leaving South Carolina after his junior season. He caught 88 passes for 1,517 yards and nine touchdowns as a sophomore in 2010. This past season, the Gamecocks' starting quarterback was kicked off the team and Jeffery's production took a huge hit — 49 catches for 762 yards and eight touchdowns.

Of course, the Browns could upgrade wide receiver in free agency, which begins on March 13 — about six weeks before the draft. But because free agency doesn't start until two weeks after the combine ends, wide receiver will be a prime position of focus for the Browns.

One can't-miss back

There are no guarantees at any position in the draft, but the one running back with first-round credentials heading into the combine is Trent Richardson of Alabama.

Almost nothing Richardson does in Indianapolis this week is going to knock him out of his top-10 projection. If the Browns don't trade the fourth pick, they could upgrade running back instantly by taking Richardson.

Other backs who will be studied closely in Indianapolis include David Wilson of Virginia Tech and Lamar Miller from Miami, Fla.

McShay offered this critique of Wilson during his conference call: "I like him," McShay said. "I don't think he has great vision and patience as a back. He flashes it, but sometime he gets a little greedy and tries to bounce too many inside runs to the outside. I think he's good at just about everywhere else. His adequate hands can be a weapon in the passing game. Good agility, good power, very good balance I think as a runner, but he's just not a huge guy, not great in terms of his initial explosiveness."

The combine will be important for the 5-foot-10, 205-pound former Hokie. He had a reputation as a fumbler in college and has to prove to NFL teams he can catch the ball. He rushed for 1,709 yards on 290 carries and caught 22 passes for 129 yards and one touchdown.

Mel Kiper Jr. ranks Miller as the second-best back behind Richardson. Kiper projects the former Hurricane as a first-round pick going to the Bengals with the 21st pick. Miller (5-11, 212) rushed 227 times for 1,272 yards and nine touchdowns as a redshirt sophomore in 2011. He caught 17 passes.

Beefing up the line

Fans have differing opinions about how good Colt McCoy can be or whether Peyton Hillis should be re-signed, but they are unanimous in saying the offensive line has to be improved.

When Heckert comes out and says publicly, "We've got to protect better," you know a part of the combine will be dedicated to unearthing a right tackle and at least one guard.

Mayock said this draft is a good one for guards and centers. The Browns don't need a center because they have Alex Mack, but they will be looking at guards, especially since there is no guarantee Eric Steinbach will return from the back surgery that kept him out all of 2011.

"David DeCastro (Stanford guard, 6-5, 312) to me is a first-round interior offensive lineman," Mayock said. "Peter Konz, the center from Wisconsin, is a late one to mid-two. I think (Kevin) Zeifer from Wisconsin is also in that same range, and you might get Ben Jones from Georgia Tech late in the second round. For the first three rounds, you can get a lot of quality at center and guard."

Konz is 6-5, 315 pounds and can play guard in the NFL. Zeifer is 6-4, 318.

Bobby Massie (6-6, 325) from Mississippi is a player teams will be eyeing as a right tackle. He is projected as a second-round or third-round pick.

Can people answer me this????

Why do people still talk to Todd McShay???? The guy is a moron...

Is it because the guys worth speaking to aren't available???

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Can people answer me this????

Why do people still talk to Todd McShay???? The guy is a moron...

Is it because the guys worth speaking to aren't available???

He is a puppet and ESPN is the puppet master. Their both morons imo.

Everybody who disagrees with me is a moron.

Todd McShay is a moron.

Mel Kiper, Mike Mayock, Charles Davis, Pat Kirwan, Gil Brandt, Charlie Casserly >>> Turd McShay.

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Everybody who disagrees with me is a moron.

Maybe we should do a moron poll LOL.

Oh! Ah! Hmm! on second thought maybe not. Nothing constructive can possibly come from it.

But put me down as one who values your opinion, because you usually have something of interest to bring to the debate.

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Can people answer me this????

Why do people still talk to Todd McShay???? The guy is a moron...

Is it because the guys worth speaking to aren't available???

Pete...specifically, what is it you don't like about the article?

I do admit, it is rather general, but it does lay out the basic dilemma the Browns find themselves in.

....do the Browns spend their two first round picks on a QB?..which means the other areas of need, such as WR and Oline will suffer...or, do the Browns use their #4 and #22 to draft a WR or RB and the #22 on a RT?

Oh yea, we have needs on defense too.

If the Browns could deal the #4 and add more picks this year, it would go a long way toward filling some of the Browns many needs on offense and defense.

The Browns better not burn #22 on a RT.

Ugh...

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The Browns better not burn #22 on a RT.

Ugh...

Or what????

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The Browns better not burn #22 on a RT.

Ugh...

i'm not a Ryan Tannehill fan either.

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The Browns better not burn #22 on a RT.

Ugh...

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i'm not a Ryan Tannehill fan either.

Here is the complete Combine schedule NOT from some fan site: http://www.atlantafalcons.com/2012/02/complete-combine-schedule-released/

Wednesday, Feb. 22
Day 1 arrivals: kickers, special teams, offensive line and tight ends.
Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation and team interviews.

Thursday, Feb. 23
Day 2 arrivals: quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs.
Measurements, medical exam, media, psychological testing and team interviews for K, ST, OL and TE.
Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation and team interviews for QB, WR and RB.

Friday, Feb. 24
Day 3 arrivals: defensive line and linebackers.
Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation and team interviews for DL and LB.
NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, PK/ST workout, interviews for K and ST.
Measurements, medical exam, media, psychological testing and team interviews for QB, WR and RB.

Saturday, Feb. 25
NFL Network live coverage from 9 a.m.-7 p.m.; NFL.com streaming live all day
Day 4 arrivals: cornerbacks and safeties.
Registration, hospital pre-exam and X-rays, orientation and team interviews for CB and S.
Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) for K, OL and TE.
Measurements, medical exam, media, psychological testing and team interviews for DL and LB.
NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, PK/ST workout, interviews for QB, WR and RB.

Sunday, Feb. 26
NFL Network live coverage from 9 a.m.-7 p.m.; NFL.com streaming live all day
Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) for QB, WR and RB.
NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, PK/ST workout, interviews for DL and LB.
Measurements, medical exam, media, psychological testing and team interviews for CB and S.

Monday, Feb. 27
NFL Network live coverage from 9 a.m.-7 p.m.; NFL.com streaming live all day
Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) for DL and LB.
NFLPA meeting, psychological testing, PK/ST workout, interviews for CB and S.

Tuesday, Feb. 28
NFL Network live coverage from 9 a.m.-7 p.m.; NFL.com streaming live all day
Workout (timing, stations, skill drills) for CB and S.

that's the same schedule

Almost certainly... but it is from a source that is permitted.
It also is pleasantly devoid of the other site's author comments on "what to watch for".

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Almost certainly... but it is from a source that is permitted.
It also is pleasantly devoid of the other site's author comments on "what to watch for".

Thank for having my back on this one and finding an alternative.

I keep forgetting that, that fan site in question has pottie mouth.

I could care less about the window dressing. Analyst can mean different things, but mostly they are nothing more the scribes posing as football experts.

But hey, if someone would be on the ball with the official team site, then we wouldn't have search the globe.

Would be nice if someone left the light on in Berea.

... or they'll suffer the wrath of oobernoober!

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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else but here are some news and notes from Mary Kay today

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Cleveland Browns at the NFL Combine: News and Notes
Published: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 12:51 PM Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 2:01 PM
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AP FileAlabama's Trent Richardson will work out for teams on March 27.
INDIANAPOLIS -- Plain Dealer reporters Mary Kay Cabot and Dennis Manoloff will provide updates through Sunday from the NFL Combine, where more than 300 NFL players will be evaluated by all 32 teams:

RICHARDSON MAR. 27: Alabama running back Trent Richardson, who underwent a minor knee scope about three weeks ago, will work out for teams on March 27. Richardson, a Heisman Trophy finalist, is on the Browns radar at No. 4. Only one tailback was taken in the first round last season -- Richardson's former teammate Mark Ingram. In fact, according to Lindy's Sports Pro Football draft book, none of the NFL's top five rushers in 2011 were drafted in the top 50. -- MKC

WALLACE FRANCHISED? If the Browns were hoping Steelers speedy receiver Mike Wallace would be available as a RFA, they'll be disappointed. Steelers GM Kevin Colbert indicated today that the club might franchise Wallace. "We want Mike to finish his career with the Steelers,'' Colbert said. -- MKC

FREE AGENTS: Something could happen this week with one or more of the Browns' free agents. Browns GM Tom Heckert is working to get some of the re-signed, and the Browns are prepared to use their franchise tag. Right now, the likeliest candidate is D'Qwell Jackson, who's seeking a five-year deal. Heckert might meet in Indy with Jackson's agent Brian Mackler. -- MKC

VIKINGS MIGHT DEAL NO. 3: Vikings GM Rick Spielman said today he anticipates there will be interest in the No. 3 overall pick and that he'll be willing to trade down. He said the Vikings still like QB Christian Ponder, but are studying Stanford QB Andrew Luck and Baylor QB Robert Griffin III. -- MKC

SHURMUR AT PODIUM: Browns coach Pat Shurmur will address the national media today here at 4 p.m. He'll be peppered with questions about RG3. Heckert is not on the schedule yet. -- MKC

NFL Combine Interview: Philip Blake, Baylor

The Plain Dealer's Dennis Manoloff caught up with Baylor's Philip Blake at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Dennis talked with the center about his quarterback of two years, Robert Griffin III, and what kind of player the Browns would be getting if they do select Griffin. Blake also mentioned during his media session that he has talked with the Browns.

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RG3's CENTER: Philip Blake, Baylor's center the past two seasons, said quarterback Robert Griffin III will have no problem taking snaps under center as a professional.

Griffin won the Heisman Trophy in 2011 while throwing out of the shotgun.

"He was under center in practice and never had any issues,'' Blake said. "He was just as good. Robert's a very smart guy. He can adjust to anything.''

Blake, projected to go in the fourth round, is a converted tackle. He said the Browns were one of the teams with which he met Thursday morning. -- DM

OSU's ADAMS: Ohio State starting left tackle Mike Adams said he's talked to the Browns and that they've discussed using him at right tackle. Adams is a possible candidate for the Browns at No. 22 overall. The Redskins have also talked to him about RT. -- MKC

HARBAUGH ON LUCK: 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh on his former Stanford QB Andrew Luck. "He's got all the qualities mentally and physically. He's as prepared as anybody you're going to find.'' -- MKC

By NFL.com Staff |
Published: February 23rd, 2012 | Tags: 2012 NFL Scouting Combine, Andrew Luck, Cleveland Browns, Pat Shurmur, Robert Griffin III
INDIANAPOLIS — Pat Shurmur wants you to know that the Browns aren’t scared to gamble come draft day.
“I wouldn’t say we’re hesitant to do anything,” Cleveland’s coach said. “We’re excited about the fact that we’re going to make our team better with this draft, and I think that’s the way we approach it. We’re not hesitant at all.
“… I think we’re willing (to move up). With two first-round picks, we have flexibility. We can just stand pat and take two really fine players, guys that we hope would be starters for us. And then, obviously with two first-round picks, you have flexibility if you want to do something.”
It’s no confirmation that Cleveland will wheel and deal come April’s draft, but Shurmur’s heard the rumors about chasing after Baylor’s Robert Griffin III, and will not pass up the opportunity to roll the dynamic signal-caller through the car wash at this week’s scouting combine.
Griffin appears to be a logical target for the Browns, but Shurmur indicated that he and his staff (minus general manager Tom Heckert, who’s home sick in Cleveland) haven’t ruled out Stanford’s Andrew Luck, presumably the draft’s top pick.
Asked if the Browns have yet to concede Luck to the Colts, the suddenly daring Shurmur left it open to interpretation: “Well, I don’t know how you want to say it or write that. But we’re going to talk to him.”
– Marc Sessler

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/23/shurmur-browns-willing-to-deal-draft-picks/

Purp, how excited are you for the ST and K workouts?

When will the "official" measurements for guys like the top QBs be out?

A couple first results of note:

Riley Reiff came out with an arm-length of only 33.25 inches - which might draw some Robert Gallery worries that early in the draft. Tony Bergstrom also came in at 32 inches, which likely signals a move to guard.

We all know that RGIII is just as tall as Luck anyway.

I remember somebody posting a picture of them standing next to each other at the Heisman ceremony and they were obviously the same height. And RGIII is a known sloucher so he is probably at least 6'6". Also, we could ask Jordan Norwood's father how tall he is.

I thought Reiff would be lucky to be a RT and likely was a guard at the next level. Jonathon Martin will shoot up the boards after this week. His long arms and great feet are gonna wow. Mike Adams has a chance to get into the top 12 this week, right now I have him going to Zona.

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I thought Reiff would be lucky to be a RT and likely was a guard at the next level. Jonathon Martin will shoot up the boards after this week. His long arms and great feet are gonna wow. Mike Adams has a chance to get into the top 12 this week, right now I have him going to Zona.

I don't know - I still see Reiff as an LT, but I think he's going to drop a few spots -- his footwork is as pristine as I've ever seen.

Where are you seeing the measurements? Is it online yet?

They were showing some of the measurements earlier on NFL network but havent reallly paid a lot of attention to it.

I've seen them listed online here, no clue about the accuracy:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/combine/ot.html

Thanks. Strange that they round heights though

Brown's notes

2012 NFL Scouting Combine: Browns coach Pat Shurmur looking forward to meeting RG3; other highlights

By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer
Published: February 22, 2012 - 01:55 PM

Coach Pat Shurmur and offensive coordinator Brad Childress met with reporters this morning before heading to Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine. Here are some highlights from the interviews:

• The Browns’ bigwigs have said they want to acquire a quarterback who can compete for a starting job with Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace. And with the Browns owning the fourth and 22nd overall picks in this year, most draft gurus believe the Browns will try to pick Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III early in the first round — even if they need to trade up to the No. 2 slot to do it — as long as they don’t acquire another quarterback such as Green Bay Packers backup Matt Flynn in free agency. Of course, it’s too early to know how it will play out, but Shurmur is looking forward to learning more about RG3 this week at the combine in Indianapolis.

“I’ve never met the man,” Shurmur said of Griffin. “So that’s why this combine is going to be so important for me, and that’s the case of a lot of the draftable players. I’ve watched them all on tape — all the guys that we’re going to interview — and I have opinions on them. But (Griffin) is obviously very accomplished as a college quarterback, and as we go through it all, we’ll determine whether he’s what everybody says he is.”

So is it premature to say the Browns will kick McCoy to the curb and trade up to draft Griffin? “Folks are making predictions when we’re still gathering information, and I think that’s the important part,” Shurmur said. “That’s the exciting thing about the combine. You have over 300 athletes in one place and you have most of your organization here, and we’re digging to try to find everything we can about a player, and so that’s where we’re at.”

NFL teams are allowed to interview as many as 60 players at the combine, and Griffin will certainly be on their list. “I saw the comebacks that you guys saw,” Childress said of Griffin’s career at Baylor. “The guy (was) making plays that were there and some that aren’t there.”

Griffin played in a spread offense at Baylor. But Childress doesn’t think the Browns should not hesitate to draft a player just because he hasn’t been schooled in the West Coast offense. “I don’t think there’s a hesitation if you feel like the guy’s the quarterback that you’re looking for,” Childress said. “Quarterbacks are like buying cars. If you don’t like it, you need to move on. If you don’t like the way it feels, or handles or looks, you need to move on. If there’s something that bothers you, you move on. With that said, you typically don’t ever want to pass a franchise quarterback if there’s one there. But somebody’s going to have to deem that in the first year, not say after year six, how that guy’s going to be.”

Childress also said it’s wise to play to the strengths of the quarterback and seemed open to the idea of adjusting the offense depending on the quarterback’s skill set. “It is a balance,” Childress said. “Somewhere you have a system that you play to, and I know that (Denver Broncos offensive coordinator) Mike McCoy did a tremendous job with a different skill set with Tim Tebow in developing things around the quarterback. Does your scheme have to change? You usually try to play to whatever somebody’s strengths are.”

As for McCoy, he’s healthy again after missing the final three games of the 2011 season with a concussion, Shurmur said. Childress said he views McCoy as a second-year quarterback who has not had the benefit of an offseason. Both Shurmur and Childress said they expect McCoy to improve. No matter what the Browns decide, they know it’ll be vital to the organization’s attempt to reverse its fortunes. “It’s obviously very important that we do the right thing when it comes to the quarterback, so we try to evaluate it all and then in relation to the other needs on the team as well,” Shurmur said. “It’s important that we make the right decision.”

• Shurmur said he will retain play-calling duties, but he will be in constant communication with Childress, who will be stationed in the press box during games. “Unless things change, Brad will be upstairs,” Shurmur said. “During the week, you decide what the plays are going to be. That’s what you write on the card, and then you call them. There’s constant interaction between the play-caller and the other people on offense. Every place I’ve been, that’s always been the case. So, yeah, I’ll be on the field right now and calling (plays), but it’s constant communication. People talk about halftime adjustments. Well, there’s adjustments going on all the time, and that’s why we wear the headsets so that we can communicate.” Childress, a former head coach of the Minnesota Vikings, said the team’s play-calling plan doesn’t bother him. “It really is all collaborative,” Childress said. “It’s not like somebody’s going to pull something out from 1965 and everybody goes, ‘What the hell is that?’ But it’s all about the game-planning. … I think everybody’s going to have a hand in it, and I’m good with it.”

• Other highlights: Shurmur reiterated that the Browns want to re-sign starting middle linebacker D’Qwell Jackson, who’s scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on March 13. Shurmur said the team hasn’t made a decision on whether it will place the franchise tag on Jackson. “We’re going to be willing to use (the franchise tag),” Shurmur said. “As you go through signing our free agents, then we’ll see what’s the best place to use that tag.”… Shurmur said he has talked to running back Peyton Hillis, who’s also set to become an unrestricted free agent, a few times since the end of the season. Shurmur said he liked the way Hillis played last season once he was healthy, but he said he doesn’t know if Hillis will be back with the team. … Shurmur also wouldn’t get into specifics when asked if the Browns will try to retain kicker Phil Dawson, but he said there’s work being done to bring back cornerback Dimitri Patterson and free safety Mike Adams. … Shurmur said Eric Steinbach is doing very well and working out as he tries to come back from a season-ending back injury and a subsequent surgery. Shurmur did not commit to Steinbach as a starter. … Shurmur said he sees Jason Pinkston as a guard and wants him to continue to develop at guard instead of moving to tackle. … When asked if the Browns need to upgrade at right tackle, Shurmur mentioned Tony Pashos but said, “we’ll have to see who’s gonna play there at this point.” … Shurmur did not rule out making changes at linebacker, but he was pleased with group’s performance last season. … Shurmur said the Browns will try to get better at right defensive end. … Shurmur said he thinks Usama Young can still start at free safety, even though Young is better near the line of scrimmage and played strong safety last year after T.J. Ward suffered a season-ending foot injury. … Childress thinks it’s interesting that Texas A&M’s Ryan Tannehill was able to transition from wide receiver to quarterback. Childress considers it a plus and believes it shows Tannehill is a stellar athlete. Childress also said Tannehill would probably immediately recognize concepts from the Browns’ offense because he played in Mike Sherman’s West Coast offense at Texas A&M.

Unofficial height that I have seen on RG3: 6' 2 3/8"

I believe QB's get measured today so we will see. I did notice yesterday that Mike Adams who was listed as 6'8 came in at 6'7 and Brewster came in at I believe in inch shorter and at 312 pounds.

Loyal...a lot of good stuff in this article...thanks for sharing.

http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php

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2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Offensive Linemen

Ohio State tackle Mike Adams (6-7, 323) is Mr. Consistent. At the Senior Bowl, his weight was exactly the same. If anything, that helps NFL teams to know that Adams doesn't let himself get out of shape or lose bulk while just doing workouts. If Adams performs well in the on-field drills, he can solidify his stock as a late first-rounder.

The Combine is going to be very important for Florida State offensive tackle Andrew Datko (6-6, 315). He missed the majority of the 2011 season with a shoulder injury. His physical is critical for him to show that his injury is behind him and teams shouldn't worry about him re-injuring the shoulder. Datko checked in with a slightly below average arm length of 33 7/8.

Stanford standout guard David DeCastro (6-4, 316) had solid measurements. He was slightly shorter and heavier than his listed numbers (6-5, 310). The Combine workouts shouldn't have much of an impact on him, but the interviews could push a team to feeling they have to come away with him on draft day. He was known as a leader in the Stanford locker room.

Like Adams, Georgia guard/tackle Cordy Glenn (6-5, 345) was spot on with his Senior Bowl measurements. Glenn's arms (35 3/4) were some of the longest of any of the offensive linemen. That will help his argument to be considered as a tackle for teams needing an edge blocker.

The consensus top rated offensive linemen, USC left tackle Matt Kalil, checked in at 6-foot-6, 306-pounds. That is a little shorter and heavier than his stated weight (6-7, 295). Kalil's arm length (34 1/2) was nothing to be concerned about. His bench press number will be worth noting because he could use some more power for run blocking.

One has to laugh at Washington tackle/guard Senio Kelemete (6-4, 307) growing an inch and gaining seven pounds from the Senior Bowl. He measured in at 6-foot-3, 300-pounds in Mobile. Obviously, there was some human error in one of the measurements, but if Kelemete could continue to add height, it could help his draft status.

The top-rated center in the draft, Wisconsin's Peter Konz, had a respectable check-in at 6-foot-5, 314-pounds. His arm length (33) isn't a concern for an interior lineman.

Stanford offensive tackle Jonathan Martin (6-5, 312) produced some solid measurements, and his arm length (34 inches) shouldn't hurt his stock. If he shows good athleticism in the field drills, he could get a nice boost from the Combine.

Ole Miss offensive tackle Bobby Massie (6-6, 316) is a powerful lineman. His strength is even more impressive with his long arms (35 inches). Massie is a sleeper day-two prospect who could yield a big reward at the next level.

Iowa State guard/tackle Kelechi Osemele (6-6, 333) had the longest arms of any of the offensive linemen at the Combine (35 7/8). That should help his stock and illustrate why he could be a right tackle in the NFL. His weight is the same from Senior Bowl, but if he dropped down into the low 320s, that might help his quickness and ability to mirror speed rushers.

Boise State offense tackle Nate Potter (6-6, 303) is lighter than most, but he had quality arm length (34 5/8). He has been a good pass protector in his collegiate career and had the body type to match up with speed rushers. He needs to show some quick feet in the on field drills.

One of the rising prospects in the past couple months has been Iowa left tackle Riley Reiff, who went from the teens to the top 10 and passed Jonathan Martin as the second-rated tackle by many pundits. Reiff (6-5, 313) had good height and weight, but his arm length (33 1/4) is a little shorter than expected. Some teams will be concerned about his arms being less than ideal for a franchise left tackle.

Florida State offensive tackle Zebrie Sanders must have been drinking the same water as Kelemete because Sanders grew from his Senior Bowl measurements. In Mobile about a month ago, the former Seminole was 6-foot-5, 308-pounds. He checked in at 6-foot-6, 320-pounds Thursday. He had a bad performance at the Senior Bowl and needs a good Combine to help change his momentum.

2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Tight Ends

Clemson tight end Dwayne Allen (6-3, 255) is thickly built. If he runs well at that size that could help his stock, as many teams will like the size he brings to run blocking. There were only two tight ends that were heavier than Allen.

Georgia tight end Orson Charles has been hitting the gym. Charles (6-2, 251) was an inch shorter and 10 pounds heavier than his listed weight in college. That added bulk could make Charles a better blocker.

Stanford tight end Coby Fleener (6-6, 247) won't run at the combine because of an ankle injury. His 10-inch hands were the third largest of any of the tight ends. Fleener is a late first-round or high second-round pick right now. A strong Combine could have helped push him into Round 1. Now teams will have to wait until his Pro Day to get a gauge on his foot speed.

Louisiana-Lafayette tight end Ladarius Green (6-6, 238) needs to add some more bulk to his frame. Green did tie with Oregon's David Paulson for the largest hands of any tight end. If he is unable to add weight, he could be pigeonholed into a receiving, situational tight end. He also could be considered as an H-back, but it would be ideal if he could add 12 pounds to be a viable three-down tight end. Green weighed the least of any tight end at the combine.

The title of largest blocking tight end belongs to UCLA's Cory Harkey (6-4, 260). Teams that need a goal-line tight end could give him a hard look as a late-round pick.

Louisiana-Lafayette tight end Ladarius Green (6-6, 238) needs to add some more bulk to his frame. Green did tie with Oregon's David Paulson for the largest hands of any tight end. If he is unable to add weight, he could be pigeonholed into a receiving, situational tight end. He also could be considered as an H-back, but it would be ideal if he could add 12 pounds to be a viable three-down tight end. Green weighed the least of any tight end at the combine.

Would love to add this kid in the 4th. He just has that great body control for a guy his size, reminds me a lot of K2.

12 lbs is a piece of cake to add.

Heck, get him onto a solid diet and a quality strength program immediately after the draft and he could add that by the start of training camp... start of the season at the latest.

Man, that's a big piece of cake.

Well, if I can add 25 lbs of lean mass in 6 months on my own without nutritionists and working out in my spare time, I would expect that a guy getting paid to be an athlete all day can add half that in half the time.

I was envisioning a 12pound piece of cake. That's all.

Hell, I can add 12 pounds just looking at an Olive Garden menu......

You use Lard instead of butter !

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I was envisioning a 12pound piece of cake. That's all.

my wife has one of those in our fridge right now (4 layer sheet cake). for a neighbor kids birthday party. so wrong to have that in there tempting me to eat it

uh, what? This has got to be a mistake.

Published: February 24th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 NFL Scouting Combine, Justin Blackmon
INDIANAPOLIS — Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon said Friday he won’t run the 40-yard dash at this week’s NFL Scouting Combine because of a hamstring injury.
Blackmon, who measured at 6 feet and 170 pounds, previously told NFL Network’s Albert Breer that he planned to “do it all” at the combine, but Friday, he said his hamstring was “a little tender” and he wanted to be ready to run at his pro day next week.
“I was actually planning to run the day before I got here, but I listened to the people that are thinking of the best interests of me and decided not to,” Blackmon said.
When he does eventually run, Blackmon said he expects to impress.
“I’d like to run a 4.2, but I know that’s probably not going to happen,” Blackmon said. “I know I’m not slow. I’ll probably get out there and shock a few people.”
Blackmon caught 122 passes for 1,522 and 18 touchdowns last season for the Cowboys. He’s widely expected to be the first receiver taken in April’s draft.
– Aron Angel

Wouldn't that mean that he's lost like 40 lbs and perhaps a couple of inches of height?????

His height might not be far off, but I'd be pretty amazed if he was only 170 lbs.

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Justin Blackmon won’t run at combine

Posted by Josh Alper on February 24, 2012, 2:12 PM EST

Getty ImagesThe big question about Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon’s ability to thrive at the professional level is his speed.

Blackmon, projected to be the first receiver off the board, said Friday that he is planning to eliminate that concern.

“I know I’m not slow,” Blackmon said, via Omar Kelly of the Sun-Sentinel. “I’m hoping to shock a few people.”

He just won’t be shocking anyone at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis this weekend. Although Blackmon said previously that he would do everything in Indy, he changed course on Friday and announced he won’t run a 40-yard dash. Blackmon cited a hamstring injury for his decision, but there’s another good reason for his decision to wait a bit longer to display his speed.

He’ll run his 40 at the Oklahoma State Pro Day on March 7th instead, a move that should pay off for him thanks to the differences in the two tracks. Indy’s track is slower than the one in Stillwater — 49ers running back Kendall Hunter posted a much better time at the college’s track last year — and that should pay off for Blackmon in a better result.

Michael Floyd handles questions about “immaturity”

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 24, 2012, 1:15 PM EST

APNotre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd has a chance to be the No. 2 wideout taken in April. First, he says he has to prove to teams he can run and that he’s put his off-field problems behind him.

Speaking at the Combine Friday, Floyd chalked up his multiple issues in college to immaturity.

“All I can do is be honest, tell teams what happened, and go from there,” Floyd said. “It’s about making sure you don’t make the same mistake again.

Floyd, who checked in at 6’2, 220 pounds, handled the barrage of questions on the topic well. He believes he’s an “all around” receiver and tries to pattern his game after Larry Fitzgerald. (Floyd’s best ability — to grab the ball at its highest point — is reminiscent of Fitz.)

did he get switched with Kendall Wright at the weigh-in?

http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.php

Sorry for the rounding (excel's fault... it thinks heights are dates)

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Player	School	Height	Weight	Hand
Joe Adams	Arkansas	5/11	179	9 3/8
Tim Benford	Tennessee Tech	5/11	205	8 7/8
Travis Benjamin	Miami	5/10	172	8 3/4
Justin Blackmon	Oklahoma State	6/1	207	9 1/4
Jarrett Boykin	Virginia Tech	6/2	217	10 1/4
Lavon Brazill	Ohio	5/11	192	9 3/4
Ryan Broyles	Oklahoma	5/10	192	9
Greg Childs	Arkansas	6/3	219	10 1/8
Danny Coale	Virginia Tech	6/1	201	9 1/8
Josh Cooper	Oklahoma State	5/11	190	9 1/2
Juron Criner	Arizona	6/3	224	10 1/2
B.J. Cunningham	Michigan State	6/1	211	8 1/8
Pat Edwards	Houston	5/9	172	8 3/8
Michael Floyd	Notre Dame	6/3	220	9 3/8
Jeff Fuller	Texas A&M	6/4	223	9 7/8
Chris Givens	Wake Forest	5/11	198	8 1/4
T.J. Graham	North Carolina State	5/11	188	9
Darius Hanks	Alabama	6/1	184	9 1/2
Junior Hemingway	Michigan	6/1	225	9 5/8
Stephen Hill	Georgia Tech	6/4	215	9 3/8
T.Y. Hilton	Florida International	5/10	183	8 1/2
Jerrell Jackson	Missouri	6/1	196	9 1/4
Alshon Jeffery	South Carolina	6/3	216	10 1/4
A.J. Jenkins	Illinois	6/1	190	9 1/2
Dwight Jones	North Carolina	6/3	230	9
Marvin Jones	California	6/2	199	10 1/4
Jermaine Kearse	Washington	6/1	209	9 1/4
Keshawn Martin	Michigan State	6/1	188	9 1/4
Rishard Matthews	Nevada	6/1	217	9 1/8
Marquis Maze	Alabama	5/8	186	9
Marvin McNutt	Iowa	6/3	216	10
Kashif Moore	Connecticut	5/9	180	9 5/8
Derek Moye	Penn State	6/4	209	8 1/4
Chris Owusu	Stanford	6/1	196	8 1/2
Eric Page	Toledo	5/9	186	9
DeVier Posey	Ohio State	6/2	211	9 5/8
Brian Quick	Appalachian State	6/4	220	9 3/4
Rueben Randle	LSU	6/3	210	9 1/2
Gerell Robinson	Arizona State	6/3	227	10 1/8
James Rodgers	Oregon State	5/7	184	8 3/4
Mohamed Sanu	Rutgers	6/2	211	10 1/8
Tommy Streeter	Miami	6/5	219	9 1/2
Nick Toon	Wisconsin	6/2	215	9
Jordan White	Western Michigan	6/1	208	9 1/4
Jarius Wright	Arkansas	5/10	182	8 1/2
Kendall Wright	Baylor	5/10	196	8 5/8
Devon Wylie	Fresno State	5/9	187	9 1/2

RGIII is like the same exact size as a young McNabb coming out. Very similar arms and initial quickness in tight closing space, but RGIII has deep track speed and longer strides onces out and space, and lacks the core strength a McNabb did(but McNabb in his prime is stronger then 75% of the linebackers starting)

so Greg Childs wins the measurement portion of the competition.

Great to Jeffery weigh in at only 216 (and 10.25" hands) -- would love him at 22 if he could run a mid 4.5

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Great to Jeffery weigh in at only 216 (and 10.25" hands) -- would love him at 22 if he could run a mid 4.5

do you trust him to keep his weight and his motivation though? that's my fear with him (when he was playing "on" he was really good though)

I hope this young man shows well at the combine !

Jeffrey is on my "do not draft list". Dude was 270 pounds for South Carolina last year. What's he going to do when he starts getting those NFL checks?

I can fully understand Jeffery's frustration. He would work hard beat his man only to watch the ball be underthrown by 15 yards and 10 yards out of bounds.

So because your QB sucks you get fat? That makes perfect sense.

Were you expecting a rational reason for an athlete about to turn pro getting fat??

he was fat before the season started.

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His height might not be far off, but I'd be pretty amazed if he was only 170 lbs.

FYI Rivels.com has Blackmon with those measurements coming out of high school.

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Jeffrey is on my "do not draft list". Dude was 270 pounds for South Carolina last year. What's he going to do when he starts getting those NFL checks?

I've never seen that officially listed anywhere

I've seen a picture of him in pads and a jersey where he looks a bit pudgy -- everything else is just rumor.

A little pudgy? He looked like a short nose tackle.

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He’ll run his 40 at the Oklahoma State Pro Day on March 7th instead, a move that should pay off for him thanks to the differences in the two tracks. Indy’s track is slower than the one in Stillwater — 49ers running back Kendall Hunter posted a much better time at the college’s track last year — and that should pay off for Blackmon in a better result.

Had never considered this before but they run the 40 at Indy on painted spongy artificial turf... do they let you run it on the track at your own proday? I would assume that would make you considerably faster.

Turf or grass. No track.

For as long as I've been paying attention to the combine, they've always said Indy's field is slow. I don't know why they run it there. Geography? Hotel prices?

I think because it's a dome and it's geographical near the middle of all the teams.

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Well, if I can add 25 lbs of lean mass in 6 months on my own without nutritionists and working out in my spare time, I would expect that a guy getting paid to be an athlete all day can add half that in half the time.

Well maybe not....not being critical of you here, and have seen you and you didn't look like a total wimp or anything, but there is a point of diminishing returns when adding body mass. It's easy to gain on the front end and harder the further along you go. Seeing as I know that guy is a lot bigger then you were when we met 4-5 years ago, he may not be able to add much more.

At what point does a person quit gaining mass? I don't know, but suspect it happens at some point or why don't some of these professional body builders end up 500lbs of muscle?

But, no doubt he can add some.

I agree Arch, I think the Combine drills should be done in full pads and helmet. Qb's should take the Wonderlic with 5-6 big guys chasing them ... ok, that may be a bit extreme, but I do think it needs to be more about exhibiting football potential and not who's a track-athlete.

Oh, no doubt... but we're talking about a kid that is still growing/maturing, not a fully matured adult.
We all know that we continue to grow a bit in our early 20's.... 12 lbs shouldn't be all that much for him to add.

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I agree Arch, I think the Combine drills should be done in full pads and helmet. Qb's should take the Wonderlic with 5-6 big guys chasing them ... ok, that may be a bit extreme, but I do think it needs to be more about exhibiting football potential and not who's a track-athlete.

I disagree. This is to give you baseline numbers. There is no better way to do this.

It gives you a baseline of who's fast, agile, can leap, and is strong - in Under Armor. Bruce Jenner would have excelled at the Combine. The gear changes the athlete - cleats, full pads, and helmet slow you down, but would provide a truer picture of "football-athleticism" (a term I just made up, and may patent

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It gives you a baseline of who's fast, agile, can leap, and is strong - in Under Armor. Bruce Jenner would have excelled at the Combine. The gear changes the athlete - cleats, full pads, and helmet slow you down, but would provide a truer picture of "football-athleticism" (a term I just made up, and may patent ).

Actually, that's a kinda neat idea. But I do see Peens point about it being a baseline. They are measurables.

But for true relevance you gotta see what they can do in pads..

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It gives you a baseline of who's fast, agile, can leap, and is strong - in Under Armor. Bruce Jenner would have excelled at the Combine. The gear changes the athlete - cleats, full pads, and helmet slow you down, but would provide a truer picture of "football-athleticism" (a term I just made up, and may patent ).

Bruce Jenner also wouldn't have years worth of film to watch. You can't take the numbers as a sole measurement, but rather just a piece of the pie. The piece isn't a huge piece, but it does have its place.

jc... DeCastro showed why he is the best G in the draft. He could be the best OL in the draft. The footwork was simply phenomenal.

They used DeCastro as the example of how to pull too. I thought that Cullen (OT-Utah) did a very nice job in the 'pulling drill'. His footwork wasn't bad either. He might move up a bit (projected as a 7th rounder - FA). He's showing something in these drills.

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For as long as I've been paying attention to the combine, they've always said Indy's field is slow. I don't know why they run it there. Geography? Hotel prices?

Awhile back (mid 80s or so) all the civic leaders in Indy got together to talk about how to brand their city... What could be their thing? What was something they could do to drive growth and to help their city become a national brand. Really Indy was way ahead of the curve and now many other cities do this too.

Anyhow what they decided in Indy was that they could be known as the collegiate and amateur sports capital of the US. Then the leaders went out and courted all the different governing bodies and major events, offering tax breaks and other incentives.

They hit a home run. But it also has snowballed on itself.

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Quickness is much more important.

I agree with this. I want to see explosiveness, not straight line speed. I like the guys that can hit the hole hard, or get that first step or two as a receiver. Then, if the RB or WR runs a 4.5 40, and you have a DB chasing him who ran a 4.3, that RB or WR is still going to pick up some big yards, if not score.

As a fun sidenote - did anybody see that all 345-lbs of Cordy Glenn tied for the fastest 40 among OTs (4.96) (along with Kalil)

Did the second group run already?

Yeah, Glenn was moving fast. Very impressive. My guess is either Dallas or Cincy's first for him.

Could you imagine getting hit by a guy that big running that fast?

Why is it the hamster in my head is running over the possibility of having Glenn man the RT spot? I've been adamant to not address RT in round one but that guy is just the type of monster Heckert likes in the trenches. He has a set of the biggest hands at the draft, one of the longest reaches, and is shockingly athletic for a 340 lbs. SOB. How's he looked in drills and on film? Initially I had him pegged as a guard because of his weight alone (haven't really seen him play) but his frame and athleticism has me thinking he CAN play on the outside.

He is the ideal OT for Heckert, 36 inch arms, 345lbs and quick feet. I dont think he is quick enough for LT but RT would be a probowler. He is one of the reason's i think the Browns will be more willing to trade down. Trade down to 14 or 15 with Cowboys or Eagles and Richardson, Glenn or Tannehill will be there. Maybe all three.

It's been in the news a lot - I don't see the footwork for an RT personally --- but I have to agree he does fit the Heckert "mold"

NFL Network has the O linemen running right now.

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Watching OL run always makes me laugh. They are the one group that I always used to feel that I could have kept up with, and maybe even beat.

Well, them and Bernie.

LOL

Not to rain on the parade, but that is a re-run and you can find all the O-Line results on NFL.com.

Recorded today's combine session and just now getting to watch it. Got to see a few minutes earlier but now watching it all. I have been very impressed with Swartz in the football drills but man don't ask that boy to run lmao. Swartz is a pure throwback type of football player. We need him.

If this was a competition, Cordy Glenn won. Looked outstanding in the football drills.

All of these kids looked decent and it looks like a much better OL class than given credit for. Martin must have backed out of the drills again because I sure havent seen him. Zebrie Sanders 4th rounder at best.

I am not as up on it as you Mour , but if it came down to a coin flip, I'd always take the SEC player.....and I think most GM's would agree. Why wouldn't you???

Myguess is that it's because Glenn may not even be there at 22, while Swartz is a 3rd- or 4th-round prospect.

I tell yea, Glenn may have shot himself into the top 10. His stock was on the rise following the senior bowl but those 35 7/8 inch arms at 345 pounds and really agility wowed me and I was already wowed from the senior bowl. I dont see him making it past the Cards at the latest and I wouldnt be surprised if he goes to the Rams after their trade down.

Swartz is a pure RT, 3rd round probably the earliest he will go maybe we get nervous and jump into the late 2nd.

I am a big SEC guy because top to bottom you get great competition every week at most positions. Love trench warfare and right now that is where its at.

How is Kelechi Osmele looking? I was really impressed watching him at LT at Iowa State in two games that I caught. Thought he'd be a prime target for us for a RT.

btw...fun fact...Walter Jones, OT Seahags ran a 4.6 at his pro day back in 1997.

Osemele looks like a 3-5 round project. Just seems raw at everything he does. Potential is there but he is a project.

It was a privilege to watch Walter Jones. I can put him on the list with guys like Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders, Reggie White, Deon Sanders guys that broke the mold.

Agreed

http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker?module=HP11_hot_topics

This thing is really cool. Interested in a prospect just type in his last name and you get the info.

I don't know if anyone else saw/posted this ...... but his name has come up with pick 22 on occasion.......

OSU T Mike Adams did a staggeringly poor 19 reps.

8 TE actually did better than that.

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I don't know if anyone else saw/posted this ...... but his name has come up with pick 22 on occasion.......

OSU T Mike Adams did a staggeringly poor 19 reps.

8 TE actually did better than that.

yt...no way to know if an individual is nursing an injury but Adams play at the Senior Bowl proved he can play.

If anything, it shows Adams can get a whole lot better, which is kind of scary...just wait till the kid matures.

I guess some believe football is played on a weight bench or that a football field is only 40yds long.

YT... yet another reason for the attendees to be careful...

Iowa OT Zusevics tears pec doing bench press

Iowa offensive tackle Markus Zusevics tore his left pectoral muscle while performing in the bench press drills in front of NFL scouts Friday at the 2012 Scouting Combine.

The injury will require surgery, according to NFL.com's Steve Wyche, and unfortunately ends his Combine prematurely. Even worse, it may put into question his ability to play as a rookie.

While Seattle Seahawks' quarterback Tarvaris Jackson was able to throw passes this past season with a torn pectoral, his injury did not require surgery, according to Seahawks' head coach Pete Carroll. On the flip-side, Houston Texans' pass rusher Mario Williams' torn pectoral last season did require surgery and knocked him out for the remainder of the 2011 season. He suffered the injury in the Texans' Week Five loss to the Oakland Raiders, October 9.

Zusevics (pronounced ZOOZ-uh-vicks) had been rated as NFLDraftScout.com's No. 15 offensive tackle for the 2012 draft and a possible 5th round prospect. The injury, however, very much clouds his status.

For the remainder of the prospects' bench press results, you can click here.

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Quick hits at the NFL Combine with ... Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw

February 26, 2012

INDIANAPOLIS -- Courtney Upshaw was one of college football's best pass-rushing linebackers in leading Alabama to the BCS national title in January. Entering the NFL Combine this week, Upshaw was ranked as the second-best outside linebacker and the No. 17 prospect overall by NFLDraftScout.com.

Here are some quick hits from his group interview at Lucas Oil Stadium.

On exact height/weight: "I'm 6-1, 272."

On his weight: "I wanted to step on the scale at 270. I'd been playing all year around 270, and I felt good. I've got a while before I weigh in again; I'll be down to my ideal weight. Nobody's told me anything about my weight, where they think I should be. I just wish I would have tipped the scale at 270."

On the combine: "This whole process has been great. Everybody told me about the evaluation part, that it would be crazy. And it's been crazy."

On what 'crazy' means: "I mean it's been fun. I should say it like that. Players who have been in this environment told me all the good things about it, and it's been what they said."

On comfort level in the 4-3, as Alabama ran a 3-4: "I'm very comfortable. We had a nickel package where I played in a 4-3 as the end, away from the tight end, in a five-technique, hand in the ground. I did a little bit of it at the Senior Bowl, too. I'll play anywhere."

On how playing for Nick Saban prepared him: "Coach Saban tried to teach us to be great, to prepare to be great in the league. He got everybody ready. He's a phenomenal coach, and I was glad to be a player for him."

On playing OLB or DE at the next level: "Nobody [from NFL teams] has told me, exactly, 'We want you to play end or we want you to play outside linebacker.' Teams have asked me, 'Where do you feel comfortable?' I feel I can play both positions."

On his strongest asset: "Being physical and being tough."

On origins of the physicality and toughness: "It's a mind thing with me. Growing up playing football, I always wanted to be physical. Throwing my shoulder into something was the fun part for me."

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the fun is about to start in a few minutes..

RG3 unofficial is a 4.41 (1st attempt)

2nd attempt by RG3....4.38!

well dang... Michael Floyd just ran a 4.42..

Guess he won't be there at 22.

I really wanted this guy.

Wow!

A QB that can run in the 4.3's...

So, are we sure the Colts are taking Luck?

Gonna be interesting to see what Wright runs now!!

Stephen Hill's CANNOT be right.. a 4.3 FLAT??? what in the world?

Hill 4.30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are some good times! Looks like RG3 is having a good combine......

Unfortunately, I'd really like to see how he does in the throwing drills. From the things I could learn from this stuff, his height/weight and his throwing.

I like the 40 time, especially with the weight he posted, but I'm happier to see 6'2 1/2 inches and 220 lbs or whatever (yet he still can run like that)

I believe...As a current T&F coach (and athlete in college), you don't long jump almost 26' or whatever he did in his school without having some wheels!!!!

I read somewhere before that he was supposed to go 4.35....but never would have guessed 4.30!!!

Alshon Jeffrey just WIMPED out.. He's not running all of a sudden.

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Wow!

A QB that can run in the 4.3's...

So, are we sure the Colts are taking Luck?

The Media says the Colts will take Luck and that's a lock... I'm not so sure.

RG is a pretty impressive kid.

If the Colts didn't take Luck, I can't imagine how ridiculous the bidding war would be for that no. 2 spot. But, then again, it might be just as ridiculous if RGIII is sitting there.

I've gotta think that a trade to no. 2 has to include a 2nd round pick now, too.

Big super athletic DEs named Courtney make me nervous

Luck ran a 4.59. Third fastest QB....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/26/andrew-luck-is-pretty-fast-too/

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well dang... Michael Floyd just ran a 4.42..

Guess he won't be there at 22.

I really wanted this guy.

My first thought as well - didn't think he'd be there anyway - I have him rated higher than Blackmon and would never have been surprised if he came of the board first.

For the most part, these times are shockingly low (and remember they are all inaccurate to a ridiculous 0.3 seconds or so) --- Jones at 4.46 and Quick at 4.48 I would never have imagined in a million years). Wright's 40 looks as pedestrian as I expected among this bunch - still not sure why anybody has him as a top 15 pick.

Anybody know why T Y Hilton didn't run? I was really looking forward to that one, as he's by far my favorite mid-round WR.

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If the Colts didn't take Luck, I can't imagine how ridiculous the bidding war would be for that no. 2 spot. But, then again, it might be just as ridiculous if RGIII is sitting there.

I've gotta think that a trade to no. 2 has to include a 2nd round pick now, too.

Honestly, I don't think there is anyway that our two 1st rounders alone would get it done. My expectations are that to get to the number 2 spot, it's going to take our first 4 picks of this draft and maybe even more.. And I don't think it matters who is there at two.. either Luck or RG3..

Both of them are pretty impressive kids.

I agree. I just hate the idea of giving up so many picks for one player, even if it is RGIII or Luck (though I certainly understand the argument that getting a franchise QB is worth it).

I just think there's going to be a team that's going to offer so many picks plus picks from next year for that one player. Then, our 2 first rounders this year drop in value unless we throw in picks next year, too. I don't want to do that.

I'm pretty sure we value our picks more highly than the Redskins, so hopefully if it's a bidding war for them... we lose.

I may be in the vast minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Floyd. I view him as kinda clunky and kinda stiff. He really doesn't even look like a #1 to me, and because of that, I don't view him as a 1st rounder. Just too many question marks.

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Luck ran a 4.59. Third fastest QB....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/26/andrew-luck-is-pretty-fast-too/

That's insane.

Cam Newton also ran a 4.59. Luck is a beast.

Why are people shocked?

Anybody that watched him college knew the kid was athletic and had wheels on him.

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I may be in the vast minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Floyd. I view him as kinda clunky and kinda stiff. He really doesn't even look like a #1 to me, and because of that, I don't view him as a 1st rounder. Just too many question marks.

Some question marks sure - but there's a huge upside -- I didn't think he'd run a 4.42, saw him as a 4.52 maybe (which - given how terrible the timing is, is completely possible).

But I'm not sure how you don't see him as a #1 - nobody in the draft runs an array of routes as complete as Floyd does. He gets about 4-5 screen passes per game, is a big deep threat due to the size/ups, and runs good routes in the intermediate game.

He's also by far the best run blocker of the WR group, which I like.

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I may be in the vast minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Floyd. I view him as kinda clunky and kinda stiff. He really doesn't even look like a #1 to me, and because of that, I don't view him as a 1st rounder. Just too many question marks.

Agree. He already made my "don't draft" list....D.Posey and Kearse are in it too

Watching the drills, really liked AJ Jenkins, McNutt and R.Matthews...Sanu and J.White look much faster than they timed...K.Wright though was in a league of his own imho, catching everything at full speed

Kellen Moore looks horrible btw....he lobs and isn't even accurate

Luck official 40... 4.67

I have to say, I don't follow the draft like some of you guys do, but I don't remember seeing two QBs who seemed so sure-fire studs as I'm seeing with Luck and RGIII. I'm sure there were some, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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I have to say, I don't follow the draft like some of you guys do, but I don't remember seeing two QBs who seemed so sure-fire studs as I'm seeing with Luck and RGIII. I'm sure there were some, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Last year, the year before, the year before, etc. Also, next year.

More BS, go figure...

In the 2010 draft the 4 best QBs were Bradford, Tebow, Clausen and McCoy

None of those comes close to Luck and RG3...

in 2011 there was Newton who was a less experienced and less brainy version of RG3 and Gabbert, who was this year's Tannehill and Locker a Landry Jones-like underachiever

That's just the last 2 drafts and bot Luck and RG 3 easily would have been the head of the class in each

J/C,

Just want to say that I think who ever does the analysis and grading for this Combine feature is off his rocker ... Charles Davis?

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I have to say, I don't follow the draft like some of you guys do, but I don't remember seeing two QBs who seemed so sure-fire studs as I'm seeing with Luck and RGIII. I'm sure there were some, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd have to say:

2004 - Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger
1999 - Couch, Mcnabb, Smith, Culpepper, McNown
1998 - Manning, Leaf

I'm basing these comparisons on the popular perception of Griffin - my personal view is much more critical, so I'd probably include another QB class or two in there.

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I may be in the vast minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Floyd. I view him as kinda clunky and kinda stiff. He really doesn't even look like a #1 to me, and because of that, I don't view him as a 1st rounder. Just too many question marks.

I agree with you, and he has had quite a few personal problems.

Go back and see what the so called "experts" were saying about them prior to the draft.

Nuff said. Don't look at what they've done in the nfl - look at what was said about them prior to the draft.

I rest my case. You lose.

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Go back and see what the so called "experts" were saying about them prior to the draft.

Nuff said. Don't look at what they've done in the nfl - look at what was said about them prior to the draft.

I rest my case. You lose.

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I have to say, I don't follow the draft like some of you guys do, but I don't remember seeing two QBs who seemed so sure-fire studs as I'm seeing with Luck and RGIII. I'm sure there were some, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The 83 draft was probably the deepest in qb's.

1st - John Elway
7th - Todd Blackledge
14th - Jim Kelly
15th Tony Eason
24th - Ken O'Brien
27th - Dan Marino

3 HOF'ers 1, 14 and 27
3 Also rans... 7, 15 and 24

The NFL still isn't better at predicting which guys are going to be actual studs, just like 83.

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Just want to say that I think who ever does the analysis and grading for this Combine feature is off his rocker ... Charles Davis?

Charles Davis is the one I agree with most year after year.

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I may be in the vast minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Floyd. I view him as kinda clunky and kinda stiff. He really doesn't even look like a #1 to me, and because of that, I don't view him as a 1st rounder. Just too many question marks.

I think Floyd is like Vincent Jackson. That's what I think you're getting with him. He's not quite as tall, but his frame is very similar. As he just showed, he's got great straight-line speed and we know he has strong hands.

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Watching the drills, really liked AJ Jenkins, McNutt and R.Matthews...Sanu and J.White look much faster than they timed...K.Wright though was in a league of his own imho, catching everything at full speed

I've been telling you guys, Jenkins and McNutt are really underrated in this draft. Just like last year I was saying Vincent Brown and Denarious Moore were.

Jenkins ran that post-corner drill better than anybody today. He's so shifty... not shifty like Wylie or the Wright brothers, but he's very good on his routes.

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What do y'all think of Stephen Hill? I don;t know much about him but saw he clocked a 4.3.... at 6'4 with a 29 ypc that's pretty impressive...

Saw that. Seems like he will be pretty raw because of the offense he was in a Georgia Tech. But he is obviously very talented physicall.y

Why would any wide receiver worth a damn ever go to Georgia Tech?

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Why are people shocked?

I am more impressed than shocked.

Yeah, I was trying to figure that out as well. It worked out for Demariyus Thomas, though.

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Why would any wide receiver worth a damn ever go to Georgia Tech?

Calvin Johnson?

Oh yeah, that guy, too...

Johnson was already there before the triple option was in place.

I'm not saying these guys aren't good. I'm saying, why would you go there if you knew you were only going to get 28 receptions a year.

I'll pimp a Gator I would like to get....Chris Rainey.

I don't think he will be a major factor as a runner, but I see him as a great option out of the backfield. He timed a little slow....he plays a lot faster than the official 4.45, something was a bit off today....he can legit 4.39 and has great hands. Backers won't be able to cover him and many safeties won't be able to stay with him

I'd take him at the top of round 4 if he lasts.

Teams that make a effort to get him the ball will reap the benefits

Think your right .. Kid can flat fly with a football in his hands ..

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Think your right .. Kid can flat fly with a football in his hands ..

Yes he can ... I see him working mostly in the slot, with options at RB to a team who drafts him.

Just finished watching the receivers and now starting to watch the RBS. I gotta say this is a sick group of receivers. Hill put on a show. Sanu and Jordan white ran slow 40s but they looked fantastic in the receiver drills as did Blackmon, Floyd and Randel.

BTW Sanu and White reminded me a lot of Haden with sloppy technique in the 40. These are your big wide bodied receivers and they just dont get up out of their stance quick enough and it really costs them but their football speed on those drills was very impressive. I think any of those guys i listed would be great in our offense. You arent gonna be able to jam any of them and all can run after catch.

Hill wow combine freak.

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You arent gonna be able to jam any of them and all can run after catch.

Give me two of them and a right tackle!

Alright, here's my prediction:

1) We give up no. 4 and next year's first rounder plus a couple other lower draft picks to move up to 2 and take RGIII.

2) We trade no. 22 and 2014's first rounder to move back up to 5 to take Blackmon.

3) We trade Reggie Hodges straight up to move back to 22 to take Kendall Wright.

Offense fixed.

I don't see how that can't happen.

Trade RGIII for a RT and then we have something

Wow - did anybody see that Kendall Wright's official time came out as a 4.61?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kendall-wright?id=2532977

I forgot to mention that we'd be shipping out Brandon Jackson to move back into the 1st to get any RT we need.

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Wow - did anybody see that Kendall Wright's official time came out as a 4.61?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kendall-wright?id=2532977

Yeah, saw that and was surprised.

He's got a pro-day to show that should be a mulligan. He's definitely much quicker/faster than that

It is why all of these scouts have their own stopwatch. You will see these scouts start looking at each others stop watches after each person runs to compare.

Fast stands out and so does slow, he wasn't slow.

We'll see what he runs at his pro day - I was surprised he was that slow but like others have said, doesn't mean a whole lot.

Maybe he's trying to hurt his draft stock so he can go to a better team?

A lot of these guys just never ran track. Watch Sanu run the 40 and he jumps out of the box and I am not talking explosion, he litereally jumped up lmao. Jordan White runs a great 20 but he takes shorter steps and loses a lot of time where a long strider pours it on at the end.

I thought Wright came out high in the hips and it cost him but man he can fly.

BTW this kid Turbin a RB from Utah state is really impressing me. I remember watching them in the first game of the year against Georgia but do not remember the player. Anyone familiar with this kid because man he looks the part doing the drills.

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I gotta say this is a sick group of receivers.

You ain't kiddin'.

there's legit receivers in just about all levels of this draft.

Blackmon, Wright, Floyd in the first

Toon and Criner in the third

Jenkins, Wright, Posey in the 4th

McNutt, Wylie in the fifth

Nuts.

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there's legit receivers in just about all levels of this draft.

Do you mean, there's value at the receiver position all over the draft?

I mean, if all those guys are legit (at least in the eyes of the GMs), the ones you have projected in lower rounds would be picked in the higher rounds.

Just one manager has to be high on a guy for someone to get chosen.

That's why everyone's got their own draft board with players at different positions...........

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Wow - did anybody see that Kendall Wright's official time came out as a 4.61?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kendall-wright?id=2532977

Another receiver I didn't consider a first rounder. He's a guy that Griffin helped become more than he was supposed to be. I'm not saying he won't be productive, but he doesn't look like a star to my eye, and I don't take a WR in the 1st that won't be a star. I know his rep is that he "plays faster" but I never saw that.

Wright, Sanu and J.White had a sub 7sec 3 cone...around the same 4.3 Hill had

3 cone and 20yd shuffle are more important to scouts anyway, as that simulates more the way you have to run on gamedays...you don't get to run un-bumped 40 yds downfield a whole lot in the NFL

From a tape/game performance-size-combine numbers mix Marvin Jones is really growing on me...he has done good in all areas and looks like a value pick in the mid rounds

Jones looked good at the senior bowl, too. Probably another 3rd rounder.

I mocked V.Brown last year and liked Moore too...AJ Jenkins is really a player that is in a similar pool ths draft...underrated, has speed and I think he can play both outside and in the slot

Watching the DL drills right now and was really impressed with Bequette, Cox, Crick, and J.Howard...T.Crawford and Cam Johnson looked ok too changing directions

otoh: Branch, Coples, Brockers, Guyton and C.Jones looked real choppy and unbalanced moving around

I liked Howard and Cam Johnson a lot at the senior bowl. Like what I saw out of Crick in 2010 season. Bequette was a big time player at left end for Arkansas all year.

I can't comment on Cox or Crawford, don't think I've ever watched them.

Unless Andrew Datko is one of the best five OTs to come into the league in the last five years, Branch is nothing special. Datko owned Branch all game in FSU v. Clemson this year.

I don't know where the hype for Chandler Jones is coming from. Pretty low production from a mediocre conference and then people are knocking Mercilus for being a one-year wonder.

I'm interested to see how Massaquoi does. Is he in the first group or the second? I haven't seen him play, but he's got a good body type.

I was really high on AJ Jenkins.. but the more I watch him.. the more I dislike.. he has the numbers.. but I don't think he is physical enough. If teams jam him and bump him all over the place I don't think he can fight through it..

thats just something I noticed.. I could be wrong though.

Massa is in the 2nd group, 1st group ended with Kuhn

Coples is really disappointing me and I'm close to do a 180 on him as I liked what I read about him but the more I see him play, the less I like him and don't get all the hype around him

Irvin looked pretty good all around too, he's widely seen as a 34 OLB but I wonder if he could play RDE? Heckert liked to draft those tweeners for the Philly 43 too

Curious to see the 2nd group with Mercilus, Perry and a bunch of mid/late rounders I want to see more of (Massa, M.Martin, McClellan, Reyes, J.Smith, Taamu, Wolfe)

he is pretty slight, but his change of direction is really, really good. Are you seeing him not able to get off of jams in games?

Dontari Poe is scary

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2012, 12:12 PM EST

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Robert Griffin III won the press conference. Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe could be winning the Combine on the field.

The 346-pounder has put together a crazy combination of size and strength at Lucas Oil Field.

The Memphis product put up 44 reps at 225 pounds, which was the most of any player at the Combine. That was impressive, but not shocking. Poe’s times while running on Monday were more eye-opening.

Poe ran an “unofficial” 4.87 forty-yard dash. That is a preposterous number for a man that big. Poe’s 1.7 ten-yard split is even more telling and more impressive.

Many 3-4 teams will see Poe as a nose tackle. That’s probably where he will get drafted, but Monday’s workout shows that Poe could be moved around in a variety of defensive line positions on a 3-4 or 4-3 defense.

While Poe didn’t play quite like a top-20 pick in college just yet, he was already seen as a first round pick. This workout should push him into the top 20 or higher. Athletic 3-4 nose tackles don’t come along every year.

LOL, wow!

Human beings who weigh 346 pounds should not be able to run a 40-yard dash in under 5 seconds.

Holy crap.

346 and pressing 225 pounds 44 times ...... and also running under a 5 second 40 yard dash?

That's freakish physical ability.

I realize there are always workout warriors that blow up the field in college and @ the combine that don't pan out. But if this guy's the real deal, please tell me he won't end up a Steeler . . .

I don't know about his productivity on the field as I've never heard of this beast, but his size/athletic ability combo reminds me of Shaun Rogers.

The article said that he didn't really show up on the field though. That's a major concern.

Whitney Mercilus shows off his quick first step

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 27, 2012, 11:35 AM EST

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Whitney Mercilus of Illinois was one of the best pass rushers in college football last season, and he’s showing at the Scouting Combine that he has just the kind of quick first step that NFL teams look for in a pass rusher.

Mercilus ran the 40-yard dash in an unofficial time of 4.63 seconds, but the 10-yard split may be more important than the full 40-yard time for defensive linemen, and Mercilus had a very good 10-yard split of 1.57 seconds.

“I come off the line — I have a good first step,” Mercilus told reporters over the weekend. “I’m able to come off the line pretty quickly. Definitely I’m able to wear out players, too. I have a never-ending motor, and I’m able to keep going until the fourth quarter until somebody is dog tired and just take advantage of them.”

Although his workout numbers are great, the more important number is 16: That’s how many sacks Mercilus had last season.

“It’s just going out and there and getting it each and every down, each and every game,” Mercilus said. “There’s no fluke to it, 16 is 16. There’s no way you can just fall onto a sack.”

Mercilus decided to leave Illinois with one year of eligibility remaining after the NFL draft advisory board gave him a third-round grade. He may be boosting that stock today.

Fletcher Cox makes some noise

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2012, 12:51 PM EST
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This is an impressive class of defensive tackles. They showed up in a big way on Monday.

Mississippi State product Fletcher Cox ran “unofficial” forty times of 4.79 and 4.85 at the NFL Combine. His 10-yard split was 1.63, which is outrageous for a player at 298 pounds.

Cox also finished among the bench press leaders among his defensive linemen. Cox has been relatively under the radar in this draft process, but he could get taken a lot higher in the first round than originally anticipated.

Poe is a freak and it is why I had him top 10 in my first mock when noone else seemed to have him in the top 150

Yeah, but the question still remains: Can he play football?

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Yeah, but the question still remains: Can he play football?

It doesn't matter, with that speed he can chase the runner down and tackle him just after the 1st down marker, thus fitting in perfectly.

lol! WGGTG!

He can play football but most teams are smart enough to run away from the 350lb monster in the middle. Love the kids feet. He is the dancing bear lol

Kuechly is lighting it up. Would love to have him with pick 22.

MAN.....gotta love the combine this year. There's like 74 first-round picks now based on the measurables!

j/c, I would be pretty pumped if Kendall Wright's 4.61 pushed him down to 22.

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He can play football but most teams are smart enough to run away from the 350lb monster in the middle. Love the kids feet. He is the dancing bear lol

Anyone thinking Dontari Poe is going to set the NFL on fire in 2012 needs to watch some video of the guy.

He is a very raw talent..a project, at best.

Is that all

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MAN.....gotta love the combine this year. There's like 74 first-round picks now based on the measurables!

and only 10 of those guys were considered 1st rounders this time last week!

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j/c, I would be pretty pumped if Kendall Wright's 4.61 pushed him down to 22.

Not that I'd expect anyone with a sane-mind to listen to me, but I had said weeks ago Wright didn't look like a 1st rounder to me. He looked like any one of a myriad of college "stars" who are destined to become slot-receivers in the NFL.

So here we are at the combine. He's 5'10. He's 190. He ran a 4.61 in a straight-line but ran faster in the quickness drills.

Yup. Slot guy. Slot guys aren't 1st rounders.

Get your hopes up, Steve, 'cause he's just as likely to be there at 37 as he is at 22.

Plus, I want Rainey in the slot with our 4th round pick.

Look at his quickness numbers. He set new standards in all of them. In some cases by a lot.

I'd much rather have Stephen Hill who jumped onto the radars of a lot of people with his performance at the combine.

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I'd much rather have Stephen Hill who jumped onto the radars of a lot of people with his performance at the combine.

Hill ran like two routes in College ...He's very raw and I think there is a 0% chance that he is a first round pick.

With that said, I think that he is an intriguing project.

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Plus, I want Rainey in the slot with our 4th round pick.

Look at his quickness numbers. He set new standards in all of them. In some cases by a lot.

THIS

Seriously, I want the kid.

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I'd much rather have Stephen Hill who jumped onto the radars of a lot of people with his performance at the combine.

Hill ran like two routes in College ...He's very raw and I think there is a 0% chance that he is a first round pick.

With that said, I think that he is an intriguing project.

Yeah - it's hard to evaluate Hill, because there is almost no game tape to go on. I know he drops a lot of passes, and he runs the go route.

The numbers are certainly intriguing - but he makes Greg Little look polished coming out of college.

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he drops a lot of passes, and he runs the go route

I'll pass, thank you.

We've had enough track stars here... let's get some football players at the WR position for once.

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he drops a lot of passes, and he runs the go route

I'll pass, thank you.

We've had enough track stars here... let's get some football players at the WR position for once.

Then you'll like Rainey, he's a football player.

Who's the one who didn't beat his GF, Rainey or Demps? I want which ever one isn't the scumbag.

Wasn't he arrested for threatening her? As far as I knew - which could be wrong - he was arrested then suspended all for threats. Obviously still serious but much different than actually beating her...

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Then you'll like Rainey, he's a football player.

He reminds me of a Reggie Bush type Player.

Eric Page is my secret late round man crush of a wr

I think he has slot WR written all over him, he has great lateral quickness he seems to have a nose for space and has great hands. I also think he plays much faster than he looks.

4.53 and 4.56 at the Scouting Combine Sunday morning.
Page is 5-foot-9, 186

http://www.youtube.com/v/XlqonNlEYJs

He set school records for both career receptions (306) and season receptions (125 in 2011). His 306 career receptions tied the Mid-American Conference record held by Marshall's Josh Davis and Western Michigan's Jordan White, and is 43 shy of the NCAA mark held by Robert Broyles of Oklahoma.

Page's three-year career at Toledo is loaded with accolades. As a freshman in 2009, Page caught 82 passes and made numerous Freshman All-America teams. In 2010, he hauled in 99 receptions and also made a huge impact as a kickoff returner. He was the only player in the BCS to return three kickoffs for touchdowns that year, earning a first-team spot on Walter Camp and Sporting News All-America teams. He was the first Rocket in 35 years to make first-team All-America.

This past season, Page caught a school-record 125 passes to lead Toledo to a 9-4 record. His 87-yard kickoff return for a touchdown helped key Toledo's 42-41 victory over Air Force in the Military Bowl. Page was named first-team All-MAC at wide receiver, kickoff returner and punt returner, only the third player in BCS history to make first-team all-league at three positions. He also was one of four finalists for the Paul Hornung Award, given annually to the nation's most versatile player.

As infatuated as I am with getting a slot WR w/ great speed.. I think we have something here with Jordan Norwood.. He isn't the fastest, but he is so shifty and can make guys miss. He also reads the defense well and can find holes in the defense.

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As infatuated as I am with getting a slot WR w/ great speed.. I think we have something here with Jordan Norwood.. He isn't the fastest, but he is so shifty and can make guys miss. He also reads the defense well and can find holes in the defense.

He also has great hands. I'm a Norwood believer!

I have a Toledo v. NIU game on my DVR that I haven't watched yet due to all the time I've spent on the combine. I can give you a breakdown of what I see from him (and Chandler Harnish) in the "Old Games" thread if you want.

I was one of the first people to pimp Norwood. It did take him longer to get into the offense last year than I thought, but I think that he will be a highly effective slot receiver, especially if we get a QB who can, and will, throw down the field.

Hey, I pimped Norwood as the best WR from Penn St. in that draft...the 2 other guys were drafted and are out of the league now I think..really liked that Heckert brought him over

Finished watching the 1st DB group drills and this is what I saw:

- If we cant get RG, I'm ok with Claiborn at 4

- Fleming looks like a nice press-CB with some speed

- I really liked what I saw from T.Frederick from T A&M and he made my "want" list for day 3, looks like a nice depth CB...looks like great value in the 6th, maybe even as late as a comp pick....I think his versatility is a plus as I think he can play inside and outside and from what I read is physical too, meaning he can contribute on ST

- Gilmore, Hayward and Jenkins looked good too...

- A.Jackson, M.Harris, Brooks and Bentley looked like inside guys only...like Skrine they are athletic 3rd day guys with some depth value

are there no Mount Union prospects this year?

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NFL's scouting combine has come and gone, which means it's time to look back on the official kickoff of what I call "paralysis-by-analysis" season.

I have to say I am not a big combine guy when it comes to evaluating players. But I do like the process. It brings the entire league together, gives us all a chance to gossip and lets us get a small feel for what the players are like in this draft -- even if much of what we get is canned, coached-up talk.

Over the course of my time in Indianapolis -- am I a resident now with 14 days in a month? -- I gathered a lot of stuff. Here's some of it.

• You know what drives me nuts? People who say a kid won the combine because of his interview session. Yes, Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III came off as a good kid, but does that really matter? Didn't we know that before he came in for a 15-minute session with the media? Yet you should have seen half the media room drooling as they wrote their stories about him. If he can't play, who in that room cares what kind of person he is? The NFL won't. The media won't. The kids are all so prepped now that it's taken some of the fun out of the media sessions. I want more raw talk like we used to get when there were only 20 or so media members at the combine, rather than the 700 or so who were there this year. He won the combine? Can we eliminate that talk, please?

• I expect Atlanta to put the franchise tag on corner Brent Grimes. And it makes sense. He is 29 and coming off a season where he finished on the sideline because of an injury. They can tag him, then see how he plays, and then maybe work out a long-term deal. If he struggles, he's gone. It's a smart move.

• So Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd ran a 4.4 40 and Baylor receiver Kendall Wright ran a 4.6. You know what I say to that? Who played faster in college? It certainly wasn't Floyd. Michael Jenkins ran a better-than-expected 40 at his pro-day workout in 2004. That led to teams thinking he was fast. Did he ever play that way? No. Even so, the Falcons drafted him in the first round. His career per-catch average is 12.7, and he's now with the Vikings. Football speed and speed in the 40 are two different things. When teams realize this, they will do a better job of drafting.

• Even before Janoris Jenkins let it out that he had four kids by four different women to go with his other problems -- see marijuana -- a coach I respect said he would be a tough evaluation because he is so talented. The kid can flat-out play. But does a team overlook all his problems? "Somebody will, because we're all looking for those guys, with all the passing," the coach said. "But he's going to have to change his ways, that's for sure." In terms of coverage ability, he might be as good as Morris Claiborne, the top corner in this draft. Is that enough? Can he change?

• Am I surprised Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict ran a 40 near 5.0? No way. He never played that fast at ASU. Having gone to ASU, I always wondered about the Burfict hype. He was always more bark than bite to me -- and I watched almost all his games. He was never sudden, and he seemed to lack foot speed. Now we know he isn't fast at all. Then there are the anger issues, which led to seemingly one or two personnel fouls a game. The personality isn't great either. As one scout told me, he once cursed at one of the old men who always watch ASU practices. The guy just said, "Nice game, Vontaze." The response was something like "[Expletive] you, old man." He's now a third-round pick -- at best. Always was in my book. You have to love how he blamed the coaches for his poor play last season. "I just know that I'm the best linebacker in this draft," Burfict said. "I thought I played average last year, I should've played better. Coaches kinda messed me up. I didn't know if I was going to start a game, didn't know if I was going to be benched -- it hurt me." Is he a good representation for the Harvard of the West? (OK, so that's a joke.)

• There are a lot of teams waiting to get their free-agent budgets from the owners. How much can they spend? There is a lot of cap room for many teams, but will they be allowed to spend to it? One team that bears watching is Jacksonville. New owner Shad Kahn has said he will spend. And he even did a video at a recent fan event where he was at a poker table and pushed his chips all in. But we'll see if he does that. There is some concern and talk that he might not. If he doesn't, it will open him and the team up to a lot of criticism, especially since his $112 million yacht was recently parked downtown on the river. The blue-collar Jaguars fans won't take too kindly if he doesn't spend in free agency. The Jaguars should make a run at Houston defensive end Mario Williams right out of the gate to appease a fan base that is restless for big-time change. Tampa Bay is another team that will be watched closely for free-agent spending. They have a lot of cap room and a new coach, so the Glazers -- who have a reputation for being thrifty -- have to spend. One name who could go there: Falcons middle linebacker Curtis Lofton, who is all but gone in Atlanta.

• Is RG3 worth two first-round picks, a second, a third and maybe a player? That's probably what the Rams will be asking for the second overall pick in any potential trade. That's a steep price, especially when next year's quarterback class could be a good one, led by USC's Matt Barkley. However, there are coaches who might need to win now, guys like Mike Shanahan in Washington. He needs a quarterback. He also calls the football shots. It's a tough decision. Griffin will be good. But how good? I guess if he's Cam Newton good, then it's worth it. Whoever makes a deal better hope he isn't Ryan Leaf bad. He went second overall in 1998 after a guy named Peyton Manning.

• If I had a good back that could become a free agent, I'd tag him every time. Ray Rice and Matt Forte will almost certainly be getting the tag, which will pay them $7.7 million if they sign it. Why not give it to them? You get another year out of them, putting more wear on their bodies, and you don't have to give them huge money. It makes sense. Backs get used up quickly and they aren't as valuable to teams as they used to be. Free-agent backs need to be ready for this strategy down the road.

• So the Jets have given permission to Bart Scott to seek a trade. No kidding, since he wasn't very good last season. Want to bet nobody bites?

• Don't count on Steelers receiver Mike Wallace going anywhere. The Steelers, who are trying to clear cap room to keep him, will not let him go. The idea that some team will sign him to an offer sheet that the Steelers won't match isn't going to happen. For one, it will cost a lot more to pay Mike Wallace than it would for a first-round receiver. Two, the Steelers would match -- so all you would be doing is their negotiating. "The thing I can say for sure about Mike is that we want Mike to finish his career with the Steelers," GM Kevin Colbert said last week. "And I'm very confident Mike wants to finish his career with the Steelers and play with a great quarterback like Ben Roethlisberger and the other receivers we have. We're going to do everything we can to keep Mike Wallace with the Steelers. We think he's only scratched the surface in what he can do. There's a lot left there that can still be developed. We're anxious to see it happen as a Steeler." It will.

• It looks as if Mario Manningham is out in New York. He's their No. 3 receiver, and the Giants can't afford to pay him a big contract. But is Manningham really that good? I spoke to one coach on a receiver-needy team who said he thought Manningham was overrated and wasn't worth the money will command. I know this much: He isn't a No. 1 and he might get paid like it. That would be a mistake.

• The NFL needs to change the rule on allowing assistants to move up on another team. There is something wrong when a position coach or a quality control coach has a chance to move to a better position with another team and isn't allowed to do so. League rules prohibit a coach from moving to another team for a position other than head coach without receiving permission from his current team. The Giants denied offensive quality control coach Kevin Gilbride Jr. a chance to leave to go to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as quarterback coach. "Our staff had lost two on that side of the ball," Giants coach Tom Coughlin said. "We're not training coaches so they can go somewhere else to work." The Cardinals denied receivers coach John McNulty a chance to become the Tampa Bay offensive coordinator, moving him to quarterbacks coach. I know there were some abuses in the past with some coaches, but why should a head coach stop somebody from bettering their situation? "Guys forget they were once in those shoes," said one head coach. "It's just not right to do." I agree.

• Close to the draft, I always come out with a list of guys I like better than the scouts. One who will almost certainly be on that list is Michigan defensive tackle/nose tackle Mike Martin. He is short at 6-foot-1, 306 pounds, but he is a tough guy to handle because of his low power base. "I can definitely handle it full time," Martin said of playing at his size. "My leverage is one of my strengths and I love being called small. I love it. I have a chip on my shoulder. I've been called undersized my whole life. I know I can play that position."

• I can tell you this: there are a lot of personnel people happy LSU defensive tackle Michael Brockers didn't have a great workout. Why? They might get him now. Forget that workout at the combine, which included really bad 40 time (5.36). The kid can play. web page

It bugs me a little that Griffin didn't throw at the Combine. Its great he can run a 4.38, but he's a QB, supposedly supremely confident in his abilities, striving - he says - to be the top pick in the draft. So he doesn't throw? I read that he was reluctant to throw because of unfamiliar receivers running unfamiliar routes, but isn't that part of the challenge?

Luck and RG3 not throwing is similar to Hillis not playing because his agent told him not to do so. It is the same thing. It bothers me when I hear a kid say I was chomping at the bit i really wanted to throw but I listened to my agent who advised me against it. Makes me think, these kids are the agent's hand puppets.

I don't believe it was good advise from the agent.

I like the fact that it almost forces the agents and front office brass to head down to Baylor and actually watch him.

Every single part about his day will be better of course - he can sleep in his own bed the night before, make the same drive to his stadium, go through the same pre-game routines, sit in his locker room - have HIS coach prep him on the actual script - throw on HIS field with HIS receivers that he is used to. Can you imagine going to the biggest job interview of your life and having to show your potential employer how you do it in someone else's office or workspace? Not knowing where the bathrooms are? Not knowing the time it will take to get from one of the hotels down to the stadium. Needing to make sure you have all of your credentials ... did you pack extra socks? What about breakfast? What about making sure to talk to the receivers and see where they want it? Do I have to be wired for this one?

"What do you mean "12 yard comeback?" Is the receiver driving to 15 then turning and working back to 12? Is he doing a fake step towards the post and then breaking back? Does he drive back to me or force the throw to the sideline? .."

So many details that can be so simple ... yet if you make a little mistake you KNOW everyone will be watching it. That's pressure for anyone.

I wanted to see him throw but it's definitely a smart decision.... and it also helps HIS teammates because it forces everyone to head down to waco and check out his teammates as well. Gives everyone one more look at Kendall Wright in his 40 time as well as any other potential draftees ...

It wasn't good advice.

It was great advice.

RG3 is not a proficient thrower of the football. It would be obvious to all in that setting. It's his only real weakness.

He chooses not to throw and now he's locked in to the 2 slot.

Thats why agents get paid to help with these decisions

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RG3 is not a proficient thrower of the football.

You are gonna get some blowback from a few folks about that comment

No amount of hype can change reality.

I've only seen one throw in four games that I'd qualify as very impressive.

Does that one throw offer hope? Yes.

But on the whole he's not mechanically a good prospect.

He needs time to realize his potential and I think he's unfortunately boosted his stock beyond his football abilities at this point

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No amount of hype can change reality.

I've only seen one throw in four games that I'd qualify as very impressive.

Does that one throw offer hope? Yes.

But on the whole he's not mechanically a good prospect.

He needs time to realize his potential and I think he's unfortunately boosted his stock beyond his football abilities at this point

Well hell, McCoy has at least 1 or 2 throws PER GAME that show promise,, why is it that he's not given credit for that LOL

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Even before Janoris Jenkins let it out that he had four kids by four different women to go with his other problems -- see marijuana -- a coach I respect said he would be a tough evaluation because he is so talented. The kid can flat-out play. But does a team overlook all his problems? "Somebody will, because we're all looking for those guys, with all the passing," the coach said. "But he's going to have to change his ways, that's for sure." In terms of coverage ability, he might be as good as Morris Claiborne, the top corner in this draft. Is that enough? Can he change?

And guess who falls into the Bengal's lap in the 2nd round . . . ?

j/c

I always get a kick out of Rich Eisen running the 40.

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No amount of hype can change reality.

I've only seen one throw in four games that I'd qualify as very impressive.

Does that one throw offer hope? Yes.

But on the whole he's not mechanically a good prospect.

He needs time to realize his potential and I think he's unfortunately boosted his stock beyond his football abilities at this point

Well hell, McCoy has at least 1 or 2 throws PER GAME that show promise,, why is it that he's not given credit for that LOL

And 4 or 5 that make wonder why he's in the NFL. LOL

I don't have NFL network so I was unable to watch any of the combine.

Did anyone see Bruce Irvin and Lavonte David in positional drills? They were favorites of mine watching games over the past two years

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Then you'll like Rainey, he's a football player.

He reminds me of a Reggie Bush type Player.

Chris Rainey wants to show he’s the draft’s best special teams player

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 28, 2012, 2:50 PM EST
Florida running back Chris Rainey led the way at the Scouting Combine in three different events, and he says his athletic ability will pay off for some team that drafts him to play special teams.

Rainey was the overall leader at the Combine in the 60-yard shuttle (11.06 seconds), 20-yard shuttle (3.93 seconds) and three-cone drill (6.50 seconds). At 5-foot-8 and 180 pounds, Rainey isn’t the kind of running back who’s going to average 20 carries a game, but he believes he can be a major contributor in the NFL.

“Special teams is my specialty and I love special teams,” Rainey said. “People don’t understand about special teams. It’s like 95 percent, if special teams is doing something, you win the game. I take special teams to heart because you win a lot of games when you’re involved with special teams and that’s what the NFL is looking for.”

Rainey said he’s become a huge Darren Sproles fan and thinks he can have a similar impact in the NFL.

“I love him for that, too,” Rainey said. “He set the role for all the little people.”

If Rainey can be anything close to the kind of player Sproles is, some NFL team will love him for that.

I only recorded the first five hours so I didn't get to see the LB positional drills. I was really bummed. Irvin did the drills with the DL for some reason. Obviously he looked great compared to them. Didn't get to see him do all the LB/hybrid drills, though.

A running back that WANTS to play Special Teams??

Heck yeah, bring that kid aboard

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A running back that WANTS to play Special Teams??

Heck yeah, bring that kid aboard

Same goes for that Pead (Peade?) out of Cincinnati. Except, he's looking to go earlier, I think . . .

he wants to return kicks... not sure if that's what you had in mind when he said he wanted to play special teams.

David slipped a couple of times, looked pretty average through most of the drills.

Bruce moved pretty good and I thought he looked the part rushing the edge. 3-4 teams gonna be all over him.

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I always get a kick out of Rich Eisen running the 40.

Most entertaining part of the Combine. Hands down.

When they have him against the guys who ran it, I just crack up.

Good fun there!

Alright, maybe you were on Norwood first ...... but I was there at the beginning as well.

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And guess who falls into the Bengal's lap in the 2nd round . . . ?

2nd round ... NACIH

But I have had a sick feeling they will draft him with one of their two first round picks.

Pair him with Haden and you have one of the best duo's in the League. He looks up to Joe and just because the kid did not come from Park place, doesn't make him a bad person.

Jenkins is not a head case either as some here have tried to put him in that group with Pac Man Jones. That's False!

Thanks!

I have a feeling that Irvin has earned himself into the back half of the first round.

Man I would love to have extra picks in that 20-60 range this year.

Maybe we can convince Philly to move up for their two second rounders

j/c what do you guys think about Brandon Taylor as a WLB? That guy was huge running with those DBs! CBS has him as a 5th-round guy, but safeties seem to almost never get drafted any more. I think if we miss out on/can't fit in one of the top OLB prospects, it might be worth taing a late flyer on him and trying him out. He could really move and change direction, he was huge, and could catch the ball.

i would worry about a S really wanting to mix it up on the OL, be able to shed blocks and be able to hold his ground to set the edge (the toughest part of run support)

if we bring him in for a personal visit though, we can test him on it.

Taylor as an OLB? Nah...but Taylor as a SS/FS? Sure, he looked good...I'd be ok with him starting day 3, he is value from the 5th on but he'd be an "ok" health-risk pick in the 4th too (but I think I'd prefer other prospects)

I agree that I wouldn't be looking at him before the 5th round. Maybe not till the 6th, but if he falls like the safeties did last year he could be a nice pickup. Thanks for the input, guys.

jc

Good read about the Combine from an agent's perspective

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-it-time-to-rethink-the-Combine.html

yeah i tend to agree on a lot of points. I don't like Mayock telling guys they should do this or that. Saying "Joe Haden ran a bad forty at the combine but ran a good one at his pro day and got drafted 7th."

So what?

Why should Luck throw? why should Griffin throw? You just got done telling me they're going to go 1-2 in the draft? What benefit can they possibly get from this? Showing Heldawg that they have arm strength?

I agree with that totally. There is no reason to do that but in a controlled environment that they control.

When you are at the top of the heap, you minimize the number of chances of being downgraded.