Your (and My) Browns' Big Board

I know you've all waited long for this

, so here goes:

QB

Tier 1 (good shot at elite franchise QB)
1. Luck
2. RG3

Tier 2 (good gamble on pretty good NFL QB, similar ceiling to tier 1, much lower floor though)
3. Weeden
4. Tannehill
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cut, no more NFL-good ceiling imho

Tier 3 (backups with a DA-flash season or 2 at best, "tease"-QBs teams will waste time on)
5. Lindley
6. Cousins
7. Osweiler
8. Foles

Tier 4a (undersized overachievers, the "Next-McCoys")
9a. R.Wilson
10a. GJ Kinne
11a. Harnish
12a. Persa
13a. Moore
14a. Hansen
15a. Keenum

Tier 4b (longshots, but there may be a Fitzgerald or Romo in there, improbable though...would take most in this tier over any in tier 4 due to higher ceiling)
9b. Brantley
10b.Coleman
11b. Witt
12b. Corp
13b. Tanney

Tier 5 (Athletic but meh)
16. D.Thomas
17. J.Harris
18. D.Davis
19. Jefferson

To be continued....will post other positions in seperate posts

Check out Austin Davis' game v. Houston on youtube. It was very windy that day and you can tell it took him a while to get used to it, but he made some terrific throws in the 2nd quarter and 2nd half. He needs some time, but he has skills IMO.

RB

Tier 1 (3 down workhorses)
1 Richardson
2 Martin
3a Turbin
3b Gray
3c Polk (those 3 are pretty close for me, coin flip close)

Tier 2 (Elite-Speed complimetary, think Spiller/Bush ceiling)
4 Miller
5 Wilson

Tier 3 (Mix of tier 1 and 2, could be a J.Charles in there)
6 Pead
7 James
8 Pierce

Tier 4 (Still solid, good bets...some will outplay this tier, some will be out of the league fast, mostly complimentary RBs here)
9 Hillman
10 Ballard
11 M.Smith
12 C.Rainey
13 Baker
14 Herrron
15 Bolden
16 B.Rainey

Tier 5 (Samkon Gado-tier, there might be a 1-2 year wonder in here, mostly 3rd RBs or GL RBs though, small school sleepers inside)
17 A.Thomas
18 Ganaway
19 Poole
20 Dunbar
21 K.Turner
22 R.Stewart
23 Creer
24 Megette

Quote:

Quote:

Ive recently seen a draft where Reiff falls to the Browns with the 22 pick. I would love that or Glenn.

that's what I am hoping happens. My dream draft is:

Richardson
Reiff/Glenn
Sanu

Sign me up

Here's my curveball, this ranking is "different"

WR

Tier 1 (Good to Great ceiling and very high floor, sure bets, at worst pretty good no2 WR)
1 Blackmon
2 Sanu
3 Jeffery
4 M.Jones

Tier 2 (Great talent with your typical WR brain, think BE, boom/bust or tease, would be off my Top 100)
5 Floyd
6 D.Jones

Tier 3 (Very talented but either underachieved or very raw)
7 Hill
8 Randle

Tier 4 (Elite slot-WR with no2 upside)
9 Wright
10 Jenkins

Tier 5 (Overrated, wouldn't draft in Top 100)
11 Givens
12 Childs
13 Quick

Tier 6 (mid-late round value, mostly no2 only or slot WR only here)
14 Criner
15 Toon
16 Broyles
17 Adams
17b J.Wright
19 TY Hilton
20 Matthews
21 Streeter
22 McNutt
23 K.Martin
24 Cunningham
25 Page
26 J.White
27 Coale
28 Wylie
29 Maze
30 TJ Graham
31 Boykin

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St

Well I do like David and Glenn in that order as far as best prospects left.

If both are on I reluctantly take Glenn just because we are currently hopeless at RT and so many things rely on having a serviceable one.

I'm really stuck thinking of Haden and Jenkins in our DB!

If Haden wants it. And if the team is comfortable with his character...I wouldn't whine about it.

He's a top 15 talent IMO.

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati

Using my big board with no trades, we would have drafted:

4. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma St (my #3)
22. Cordy Glenn, OT Georgia (my #7)
37. Lavonte David, LB Nabraska (my #15)
67. Brandon Boykin, CB Georgia (my #17)

I'm sure lots of people on here would have been upset with that outcome, too. Of course, Tampa wouldn't have traded up for Doug Martin if they had taken Richardson, and we don't know who the Giants would have taken when presented with Doug Martin and David Wilson. May have gotten my #1, #7, and #13 with no trades.

If I were drafting, I think I would try to get Rainey and McNutt in the 4th. We could finish completely revitalizing our RB corp, and upgrade our receivers in one round.

I think that I would look at a QB late in this draft ... a bigger, stronger am type who could be a legitimate backup to Weeden in a year or 2. I would also look for a different veteran backup who understands that he is the backup, and he will see the field only in the event of injury. I feel that Wallace would play politics if he stays here. We don't need that.

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati

No offense, but I like the real draft better.

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati

Using my big board with no trades, we would have drafted:

4. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma St (my #3)
22. Cordy Glenn, OT Georgia (my #7)
37. Lavonte David, LB Nebraska (my #15)
67. Brandon Boykin, CB Georgia (my #17)
100. Cam Johnson, DE Cal (my #34)
118. Chris Polk, RB Washington (my #35)

none taken

My board says #56 Antonio Allen, but since all the other slot guys I like are taken, I'd make a 1-pick reach here...

Using my big board with no trades, we would have drafted:

4. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma St (my #3)
22. Cordy Glenn, OT Georgia (my #7)
37. Lavonte David, LB Nebraska (my #15)
67. Brandon Boykin, CB Georgia (my #17)
100. Cam Johnson, DE Cal (my #34)
118. Chris Polk, RB Washington (my #35)
139. Chris Rainey, WR/RB Florida (my #57)

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State - pick 4
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia - pick 22
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska - pick 37
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia - pick 67
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia - pick 100
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington - pick 118
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina - pick 160
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida - pick 139
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.)
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati
Unranked: Ryan Miller OG Colorado

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State - pick 4
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia - pick 22
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska - pick 37
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia - pick 67
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia - pick 100
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington - pick 118
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina - pick 160
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida - pick 139
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State - pick 204
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State - pick 205
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.) - pick 211
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati
Unranked: Ryan Miller OG Colorado
Unranked: Emmanuel Acho OLB Texas
Unranked: Billy Winn DE Boise St

Rank Player Pos. Pos. Rank School
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State - pick 4
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia - pick 22
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California

11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska - pick 37
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia - pick 67
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio)
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU

21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California
25 *Jonathan Martin OT 5 Stanford
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama
28 Ron Brooks CB 7 LSU
29 Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas

31 *Mohamed Sanu WR 7 Rutgers
32 Brandon Taylor SS 2 LSU
33 Vinny Curry DE 2 Marshall
34 Cam Johnson DE 3 Virginia - pick 100
35 Chris Polk RB 3 Washington - pick 118
36 Zach Brown OLB 4 North Carolina
37 Brandon Mosley OT 6 Auburn
38 Ryan Broyles WR 8 Oklahoma
39 Kendall Reyes DT 3 Connecticut
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina

41 *Jerel Worthy DT 4 Michigan State
42 Devon Still DT 5 Penn State
43 *David Wilson RB 4 Virginia Tech
44 Courtney Upshaw DE 5 Alabama
45 *David DeCastro OG 2 Stanford
46 *Dont'a Hightower ILB 1 Alabama
47 Mike Adams OT 7 Ohio State
48 Kevin Zeitler OG 3 Wisconsin
49 *Bobby Massie OT 8 Mississippi
50 Mychal Kendricks ILB 2 California

51 *Dwayne Allen TE 1 Clemson
52 Shea McClellin OLB 5 Boise State
53 Kelechi Osemele OG 4 Iowa State
54 Demario Davis OLB 6 Arkansas State
55 Jared Crick DE 6 Nebraska
56 Antonio Allen SS 3 South Carolina - pick 160
57 Chris Rainey WR 9 Florida - pick 139
58 A.J. Jenkins WR 10 Illinois
59 Devon Wylie WR 11 Fresno State
60 Jarius Wright WR 12 Arkansas

61 Joe Adams WR 13 Arkansas
62 Audie Cole OLB 7 North Carolina State - pick 204
63 *Ronnell Lewis OLB 8 Oklahoma
64 Coby Fleener TE 2 Stanford
65 Andrew Datko OT 9 Florida State - pick 205
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.) - pick 211
67 Levy Adcock OT 10 Oklahoma State
68 *Nick Perry DE 7 Southern California
69 *Chandler Jones DE 8 Syracuse
70 *Jayron Hosley CB 8 Virginia Tech

71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame
72 Juron Criner WR 14 Arizona
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin
74 Cyrus Gray RB 5 Texas A&M
75 Kyle Wilber OLB 9 Wake Forest
76 Isaiah Pead RB 6 Cincinnati
77 *Brock Osweiler QB 4 Arizona State
78 Nigel Bradham OLB 10 Florida State
79 Markelle Martin FS 1 Oklahoma State
80 Alameda Ta'amu DT 7 Washington

81 Trenton Robinson FS 2 Michigan State
82 *Lamar Miller RB 7 Miami (Fla.)
83 *LaMichael James RB 8 Oregon
84 Donald Stephenson OT 11 Oklahoma
85 George Iloka FS 3 Boise State
86 Josh Norman CB 9 Coastal Carolina
87 Jake Bequette DE 9 Arkansas
88 Chase Minnifield CB 10 Virginia -- pick 245
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt
90 Omar Bolden CB 12 Arizona State

91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina
92 Malik Jackson DE 10 Tennessee
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State
94 Jaye Howard DT 9 Florida
95 Marvin McNutt WR 15 Iowa
96 Travis Lewis OLB 11 Oklahoma
97 DeVier Posey WR 16 Ohio State
98 Danny Coale WR 17 Virginia Tech
99 T.J. Graham WR 18 North Carolina State
100 Travis Benjamin WR 19 Miami (Fla.)

101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple
102 *Robert Turbin RB 10 Utah State
103 *Edwin Baker RB 11 Michigan State -- pick 245
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State
106 James-Michael Johnson ILB 3 Nevada
107 Nick Foles QB 6 Arizona
108 *Tommy Streeter WR 20 Miami (Fla.)
109 Dwight Jones WR 21 North Carolina
110 *Eric Page WR 22 Toledo

111 DeQuan Menzie CB 14 Alabama
112 Coty Sensabaugh CB 15 Clemson
113 Derek Wolfe DT 10 Cincinnati
114 Shaun Prater CB 16 Iowa
115 Frank Alexander DE 11 Oklahoma
116 Tahir Whitehead OLB 12 Temple
117 Emanuel Davis CB 17 East Carolina
118 Keshawn Martin WR 23 Michigan State
119 Josh Chapman DT 11 Alabama
120 Evan Rodriguez FB 1 Temple

121 Brad Smelley FB 2 Alabama
122 Jerry Franklin ILB 4 Arkansas
123 Chris Owusu WR 24 Stanford
124 Julian Miller DE 12 West Virginia
125 Jamell Fleming CB 18 Oklahoma
126 Ladarius Green TE 3 La.-Lafayette
127 Terrance Ganaway RB 13 Baylor
128 Austin Davis QB 7 Southern Mississippi
129 Adrien Robinson TE 4 Cincinnati
130 Marquis Maze WR 25 Alabama

131 Rokevious Watkins OG 5 South Carolina
132 Trevin Wade CB 19 Arizona
133 Senio Kelemete OG 6 Washington
134 *Terrell Manning OLB 13 North Carolina State
135 Charles Brown CB 20 North Carolina
136 Dan Herron RB 14 Ohio State
137 Antwon Bailey RB 15 Syracuse
138 Rennie Moore DE 13 Clemson
139 *Donte Paige-Moss DE 14 North Carolina
140 William Vlachos C 1 Alabama

141 Bryan Anger P 1 California
142 B.J. Coleman QB 8 Chattanooga
143 Lennon Creer RB 16 Louisiana Tech
144 Tyler Hansen QB 9 Colorado
145 Jermaine Kearse WR 26 Washington
146 *Ronnie Hillman RB 17 San Diego State
147 Brandon Hardin FS 4 Oregon State
148 Kourtnei Brown DE 15 Clemson
149 Brandon Lindsey OLB 14 Pittsburgh
150 Lamar Holmes OT 12 Southern Mississippi

Unranked: Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma St
Unranked: John Hughes DT Cincinnati
Unranked: Ryan Miller OG Colorado
Unranked: Emmanuel Acho OLB Texas
Unranked: Billy Winn DE Boise St

My Big Board Picks:
Offense
RB Chris Polk, Washington (board #35, Pick 118 // Actual pick: UDFA/medical)
RB Edwin Baker, Mich St (board #103, Pick 247 // Actual pick: UDFA)
WR Justin Blackmon, Ok State (board #3, Pick 4 // Actual pick: 5)
WR Chris Rainey, Florida (board #57, Pick 139 // Actual pick: 159)
OL Cordy Glenn, Georgia (board #7, Pick 22 // Actual pick: 41)
OT Andrew Datko, FSU (board #65, pick 205 // Actual pick: 241)

Defense
DE Cam Johnson, Virginia (board #34, Pick 100 // Actual pick: 237)
DT Marcus Fortson, Miami (board #66, Pick 211 // Actual pick: UDFA)
SOLB Audie Cole, NC State (board #62, Pick 204 // Actual pick: 210)
WOLB Lavonte David, Nebraska (board #15, Pick 37 // Actual pick: 58)
CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia (board #17, Pick 67 // Actual pick: 123)
CB Chase Minnefield, Virginia (board #88, Pick 245 // Actual pick: UDFA)
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina (board #56, Pick 160 // Actual pick: 242)

Browns' Actual Picks
Offense
QB Brandon Weeden (board UR, Pick 22)
RB Trent Richardson (board #4, Picks 4, 118, 139, 211)
FB Brad Smelley (board #121, Pick 247)
WR Travis Benjamin (board #100, Pick 100)
OT Mitchell Schwartz (board #24, pick 37)
OG Ryan Miller (board UR, pick 160)

Defense
DE Billy Winn (board UR, Pick 205)
DT John Hughes (board UR, Pick 67*0.5)
LB James-Michael Johnson (board #106, pick 67*0.5)
LB Emmanuel Acho (board UR, pick 204)
CB Trevin Wade (board #132, pick 245)

Quote:

FB Brad Smelley (board #121, Pick 247)

I wonder how nervous we are about that FB of ours' concussion issue

Maercic. I really was excÔted about him. The guy who played started on offense, defense, and special teams for Stanford University. But last year he got like two concussions, may be three?

Some hits and misses, other notes...

1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford duh
2 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor duh
3 *Justin Blackmon WR 1 Oklahoma State led all rookies in receiving
4 *Trent Richardson RB 1 Alabama played hurt all year
5 Michael Floyd WR 2 Notre Dame had no QB or OL, too early to throw the book at him, but doesn't look good
6 *Morris Claiborne CB 1 LSU ups and downs,
7 Cordy Glenn OT 1 Georgia look at the production of Spiller this year, few Buff team sacks
8 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor led all rookie WRs in YAC, was why I liked him despite bad QB play
9 *Dre Kirkpatrick CB 2 Alabama injured for most of season
10 *Matt Kalil OT 2 Southern California Was a stud and played a big part in the Vikings' success
11 *Riley Reiff OT 3 Iowa Detroit used him as a backup LT, I had him rated this high as a RT
12 *Whitney Mercilus DE 1 Illinois Was a backup to Connor Barwin on a team deep at the position. Likely starter next year.
13 Doug Martin RB 2 Boise State Best rookie RB, I believe I had him rated higher than anyone
14 *Luke Kuechly OLB 1 Boston College DROY as LB
15 Lavonte David OLB 2 Nebraska super productive weakside LB for TB. Big time hit.
16 Bobby Wagner OLB 3 Utah State Instant starter and great contributor on terrific Seattle Defense. Also believe I had him higher than anyone else.
17 Brandon Boykin CB 3 Georgia Fell to the fourth but may have been Philly's best corner this year.
18 *Alshon Jeffery WR 4 South Carolina Didn't make the impact I thought he would in Chicago, but wasn't bad, either
19 Brandon Brooks OG 1 Miami (Ohio) Another guy drafted by Houston at a position they were deep, no drafted starters
20 *Michael Brockers DT 1 LSU Had his moments this year for the Rams. PFF grades him as good v the run.
21 *Fletcher Cox DT 2 Mississippi State I have this as yellow because I didn't have him rated as highly as other people and he was pretty good. Granted, this list was for the Browns, but I had him below others. Still the second DT, though.
22 *Stephen Hill WR 5 Georgia Tech He was just bad. I bought into the hype too much.
23 *Stephon Gilmore CB 4 South Carolina Green because I wasn't as high on him as other people, and he played closer to my expectations… just OK as a rookie.
24 Mitchell Schwartz OT 4 California My fourth-ranked guy at OT and probably the third-best one. Played better than some other guys that were more highly-rated.
26 Alfonzo Dennard CB 5 Nebraska He played really well for a rookie, and wasn't suspended for punching the cop since he was drafted by the Pats.
27 Janoris Jenkins CB 6 North Alabama Lots of people didn't even want to draft him, but he may have been the best rookie CB… candidates are him, Heyward and Boykin
30 Greg Childs WR 6 Arkansas Gary Baxter'ed in August. Was walking by October. Book is not written yet.
40 Melvin Ingram DE 4 South Carolina Was mostly ineffective with the Chargers as a rookie, despite being touted as a top-10 guy.
66 *Marcus Forston DT 6 Miami (Fla.) Ended the season on New England's active roster after many thought he was undraftable
71 Harrison Smith SS 4 Notre Dame I way underrated this guy. He was excellent as a rookie.
73 Russell Wilson QB 3 Wisconsin My third-rated QB of 2012. Did anyone else have him rated as third-best?
89 Casey Hayward CB 11 Vanderbilt He was a stud in the slot and I missed out on him.
91 Akiem Hicks DT 8 Regina I had him rated highly (4th round target.) Was considered a reach in the third but played very well.
93 Leonard Johnson CB 13 Iowa State Some say he had a good rookie season, but Tampa is said to need two corners, so how good is he?
101 *Bernard Pierce RB 9 Temple He had a very good rookie season. Should have been rated higher.
104 Vick Ballard RB 12 Mississippi State Got a lot of carries, but not a lot of production. Needs to be replaced.
105 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State My fifth-rated QB, played well when he got the opportunity.

You put in the effort.

Pretty good job overall Steve, as always.

Some gutsy calls too...love this archived draft section, good job refs while we're at it

Wait, you're complimenting someone!?!?!? Get out of town!

I'm really interested to see everyone's top 6 for the upcoming draft.

I'm not sure how I would do mine, but I'm kind of excited that it seems like the stars will align for us to finally get that primo LB/DE guy that goes after QB's. I've been dying for one for years and maybe this is finally the year.

Knowing me, I'll probably make a new one of these before the draft comes up (after the combine and watching more stuff on the internet {yay!})

Though I have to say, I don't feel as strongly about my opinions this year as I did last year.

Won't keep me from telling people "I'm right" semi-anonymously over the internet, though!

Here's my top 6 for the Browns as of now: (might change by tomorrow, or this evening)

1. CB - Dee Milliner, Alabama
only because I like him so much better than the corners likely to be available at 68 and hope a good rusher will be there

2. 3-4 OLB - Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
I think he's a more impactful player than Milliner, but maximizing our resources to me says take the stud CB now and hope for Jenkins/Carradine at 68.

3. 3-4 DE - Star Lotuleili, Utah
Stud player at (IMO) a position of need. I don't think my #2 or #3 options have a real shot of making it to our pick, though.

4. 3-4 OLB - Jarvis Jones, Georgia
Guys with stenosis don't have a good track record in the NFL, and his size (242#) is very atypical of successful 3-4 OLBs. Still his production is very, very tough for me to ignore over the past 2 years.

5. OG - Chance Warmack, Alabama
I was one of the loudest opponents of taking Decastro last year, but that was more because I didn't think he was that good than about OG value. I think Warmack is really good and would make Richardson much better.

6. FS - Matt Elam, Florida (!)

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Here's a little guy who can hit! And cover. I was watching the Louisville v. Florida game again last night and Elam looked like the only guy from Florida that came to play.

I want a pass rusher so bad, but I would not complain if we grabbed Elam because we could sure use help on that back line.

I will talk him out of your Top 10 until draft day

Seriously though, I watched some play-by-play tape on Jefferson, Swearinger and Elam. Where to start...they're 3 VERY different types of safeties

From a motor and tackling perspective Elam is top notch. He CAN and WANTS TO tackle. I can easily see why so many fall in love with him and I like it too...a player like that ALWAYS has a high floor and Elam is the "safest" of the 3 picks because of this...NFL coaches don't like to trust young S with tackling issues

Now the problem though: he absolutely SUCKS in man coverage...and by that I not only mean he's giving up height, that's only part of his problem. his biggest problem I see is that he is a REACTONARY guy in coverage, he simply reacts to what his man does or the opponent closest to him in zone, he has no coverage "feel"...that's a BIG problem as he will get OWNED in the NFL playing FS like that. Overall I see a clear cut SS prospect and an overall good one at that but I saw him struggle even staying with TEs in man coverage...he's got to improve there to be one of the better SS in the NFL but I think he has the will and work ethic to do so. He reminds me a lot of TJ Ward in style and strengths/weaknesses

Jefferson is very close to getting kicked OFF my board alltogether...I'll watch 1 or 2 more games but dude is an alibi-tackler and nothing special in coverage from what I've seen...I've seen him SHY AWAY from making an important stop tackle(!), that's alarming, he does not want to play the run at all and is all about the big play in coverage

On to Swearinger: For what we need I like him the most of those 3, but I'm not sold on him yet, as he too isn't a very good or willing tackler, but of these 3 he is clearly the most intelligent S, constantly reading the QB's eye, positioning himself perfectly in mid-coverage...really outstanding zone feel and while he doesn't like to throw his body around like Elam he understands when he HAS TO and at least throws a hard shoulder or goes at the feet of the runner/receiver, but he gets the job done by stopping the play somehow. His strengths/weaknesses SCREAM FS to me

Take it fwiw...I'll now watch some Redi and Vaccaro to get a better feel for this S class

One guy I hope to look into a little is Brandan Bishop of NC State. If you have a chance to watch any of him I'd love to hear what you think of him.

Rontez Miles looked decent in the Texas vs. the Nation game in both pass and run, but the competition there isn't great and the QB play was awful. He also looked like he might have been smaller than the 6', 196# he is listed at on cbs.

I think we could do a lot worse than Shawn Williams. I think he's better than his more highly-touted teammate.

I hope to check out more of Cyprien, Wilcox, and Taylor as well. Probably won't have time this year, though.

Ray-Ray Armstrong, man I wish this guy gave two craps about playing. He played in the Texas vs. the Nation game and was extremely comfortable and talented, but was playing well without showing a bit of effort. He just seems like he'll be one of those guys out of the league in two years despite having all the talent in the world.

Wow, Reid is ranked no1 S by these "experts"? What the hell are they seeing? I saw a good looking, pretty athletic S that has little to no instincts in coverage and is boom or bust against the run. He's pretty inconsistent, but in coverage he just sits deep most of the time not really showing any instincts to what where the ball will go, he just reacts and trusts his recovery speed. A true SS/FS tweener and not in the good sense as I'm not sure he can play either at NFL level, never saw him in man coverage in any snap

Rambo: he is a pure FS, as he absolutely HATES to make contact. Major red flag. I saw him get dragged for 5+yds multiple times trying to tackle anywhere on the field. On 3rd&short yds he's useless. He gets lined up behind the LOS and escorts the runner over the 1st down marker, he does not deliver hits, pure drag tackler, but only if he has to. That said, he is a pretty decent coverage FS, who's in position most of the time when a throw goes to him, but he has some misses too, ok overall though, but I'm not sure it can offset his lack of tackling. He's the anti-Elam, a complete 180

McDonald: I think I have to review my premature Mays-comps, although many scouts have been quoted saying this, but what I saw was a surprisingly active S. Good body language, willing tackler, plays close to the line a lot and blitzes some, looks like a LB and often lines up as S/OLB hybrid. In the game I saw (Stanford) he was near perfect for 3 Qtrs, covering TEs (owning Toilolo, good battles vs Ertz, some won, some lost) and then had 2-3 bad plays when the game was on the line, strange...all of a sudden he took bad angles to runs etc. I'll have to watch more, but think projecting him to FS is just that: a projection, he hasn't played there much. Would be a HUGE SS

...not that anyone cares: but Vaccaro up next

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Wow, Reid is ranked no1 S by these "experts"? What the hell are they seeing? I saw a good looking, pretty athletic S that has little to no instincts in coverage and is boom or bust against the run. He's pretty inconsistent, but in coverage he just sits deep most of the time not really showing any instincts to what where the ball will go, he just reacts and trusts his recovery speed. A true SS/FS tweener and not in the good sense as I'm not sure he can play either at NFL level, never saw him in man coverage in any snap

Rambo: he is a pure FS, as he absolutely HATES to make contact. Major red flag. I saw him get dragged for 5+yds multiple times trying to tackle anywhere on the field. On 3rd&short yds he's useless. He gets lined up behind the LOS and escorts the runner over the 1st down marker, he does not deliver hits, pure drag tackler, but only if he has to. That said, he is a pretty decent coverage FS, who's in position most of the time when a throw goes to him, but he has some misses too, ok overall though, but I'm not sure it can offset his lack of tackling. He's the anti-Elam, a complete 180

That's what I thought the past season watching these two guys, except you must have seen Rambo cover better than I did. I think he's a dud.

Speaking of dud: I gave Jefferson 2 more games from 2011 (Texas and Okie St.) and he's now OFF my board, lol

Whoever has this dude among his top 100 is clueless or this class is really, really bad. He got owned by Weeden/Blackmon all game (exactly ONE good coverage breakup) and I'm not sure he managed to tackle Randle once...and he tried multiple times, lol Randle's 37yd TD run was all on him taking a horrible path to the LOS. If you need a S that you have to teach tackling technique and wait 3-4 years to "maybe" develop coverage feel, then he's your man

Vaccaro: I can see why he's up there on boards. He has the best mix of physicality/coverage instincts and man coverage play, he's very versatile. He's a bit over-aggressive and takes poor angles vs the run, but he flashes and there's def something to work with. That all said, I'm not sure I would draft him in the 1st, especially if I can draft Swearinger in rounds 3/4

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Knowing me, I'll probably make a new one of these before the draft comes up (after'the combine and watching more stuff on the internet {yay!})

Though I have to say, I don't feel as strongly about my opinions this year as I did last year.

Won't keep me from telling people "I'm right" semi-anonymously over the internet, though!

Here's my top 6 for the Browns as of now: (might change by tomorrow, or this evening)

1. CB - Dee Milliner, Alabama
only because I like him so much better than the corners likely to be available at 68 and hope a good rusher will be there

2. 3-4 OLB - Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
I think he's a more impactful player than Milliner, but maximizing our resources to me says take the stud CB now and hope for Jeªkins/Carradine at 68.

3. 3-4 DE - Star Lotuleili, Utah
Stud player at (IMO) a position of need. I don't think my #2 or #3 options have a real shot of making it to our pick, though.

4. 3-4 OLB - Jarvis Jones, Georgia
Guys with stenosis don't have a good track record in the NFL, and his size (242#) is very atypical of successful 3-4 OLBs. Still his production is very, very tough for me to ignore over the past 2 years.

5. OG - Chance Warmack, Alabama
I was one of the loudest opponents of taking Decastro last year, but that was more because I didn't think he was that good than about OG value. I think Warmack is really good and would make Richardson much better.

6. FS - Matt Elam, Florida (!) (!)
Here's a little guy who can hit! And cover. I was watching the Louisville v. Florida game again last night and Elam looked like the only guy from Florida that came to play.

I like the list except, Lotuleili. Not that he isn't a great player....I just don't think we need him at this point.

Elam, only in a trade down. You are right, he was the only guy who showed up to play against a inferior Louisville.

All the others....I'd take them at #6 and never look back.

Warmack might be a bit of a reach in conventional wisdom, but to me he is about as solid a Pro-Bowl/HOF type pick as can be made in this draft.

You draft a 10 time Pro-Bowl/HOF candidate type player, only simpleton's can complain.

What combination is better to fill needs at G and pass rusher:

a) Moore + Warford...top 3 pass rusher and top 5 G

b) Warmack + one of J.Simon/C.Thomas/J.Collins....no1 G and 10th pass rusher

value, value, value...

I haven't seen anyone suggest Warmack over Moore. Is that what you were suggesting, Peen?

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I haven't seen anyone suggest Warmack over Moore. Is that what you were suggesting, Peen?

Not at all. Moore is my guy, though unless a qb goes early, I don't see him there at #6. I am simply saying you can throw out the conventional wisdom about finding guards later in the draft when you are looking at Warmack. He might be the safest, stud pick in the draft. Unless the guy gets hurt or he meets a yogi who convinces him meditation and writing poetry the rest of his life is his true calling, he is a 10 time pro-bowl player.

Those are hard to pass.

A side note: As these guys get put through the ringer, in the end, Warmack might end up being my pick, but for now, the overwhelming need for a 3-4 edge player along with legit talent at that position, matching the draft position leads me to believe we go with the rusher....I am also still keen on corners. I haven't ruled out Milner.

One time some years back I was BSing with my son and he said he would be good with just fixing a position. Just draft nothing but Oline, or backer, or whatever. It made some sense to me. We always swiss cheese our way through drafts but never seem to fix anything. Find the position in the draft that offers the deepest group of prospects, and draft that position if it matches a need.

I would like to fix punter. I'd figure a way to get back in to the mid 3rd round and take Wing. He will be punting 17 years from now.

Now I am just rambling, so I won't.

We could drop down and get Warmack. I wouldn't be upset with that, not after watching an otherwise good OL fail to run block, and knowing that while we're set at T and C, we have three marginal guards competing for two spots. San Fran built a helluva offensive line and it served them pretty well.
The idea that the draft is deep in DE/OLBs might mean we can just wait, although not having a second-rounder is tough. And does anyone think Skrine or Wade can make a big step this year and become a solid starter at CB? I know there's a lotta hate for Buster, but he's fast enough and strong enough, has a great attitude and he's taken some knocks. Maybe the light switch goes on?

Maybe the switch goes on for Skrine, but I think it is already on. Corner is one of those positions where you really don't improve a whole lot after you enter the league. Either you can play the position or you can't. It's why corners who can play are drafted early and often.

It is also a fairly easy and straightforward position to grade, so it isn't often some guy falls through the cracks to emerge from the later rounds.

As for Warmack, I am not sure we could drop too far down and still get him. I don't think he lasts until mid round.

I like Buster a lot, but we've got to have at least one corner who goes 6'1"ish. That's my opinion, anyways. Watching Buster Skrine trying to cover Boldin or Torrey Smith is painful.

I love how tough and quick he is, but at his height he has to play perfectly to match up with guys like that, and that's setting him up to fail.

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As for Warmack, I am not sure we could drop too far down and still get him. I don't think he lasts until mid round.

With (7) Arizona's line in shambles, and (8) Buffalo, (9) the Jets, and (11) San Diego all set to lose a starting OG in free agency, we can't trade down if we're targeting Warmack. Even (10) Tennessee has a large need at OG. I say stick to whatever board we make and take the best player. Could be Warmack.

Dez Bryant looked like the eight grader who plays in the backyard game with the fourth graders when he was being covered by Buster.

There are times when it's just painful to watch Skrine play. Like he forgets how to play CB completely. I think it's probably a shattered confidence mid-game thing with him.

I do want to say also that I follow what clevesteve, django and mourgym have to say as it relates to the draft as well as some others....the quality of draft talk here is pretty darn good...and that's probably why I wish this forum was up year round!

Arghhhhh!

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As for Warmack, I am not sure we could drop too far down and still get him. I don't think he lasts until mid round.

With (7) Arizona's line in shambles, and (8) Buffalo, (9) the Jets, and (11) San Diego all set to lose a starting OG in free agency, we can't trade down if we're targeting Warmack. Even (10) Tennessee has a large need at OG. I say stick to whatever board we make and take the best player. Could be Warmack.

Always a good policy unless you see guys you like later in the round or like some 2nd round players and we seek to regain a 2nd rounder.

As for Warmack, you won't hear me complain if we take him at #6. We may have bigger needs, mostly at corner and backer, but it is hard to complain about a once every 10 year player who is as sure a pro bowl bound player in this draft.

Solid players. This league is all about solid players. Teams can't dictate who is going to be there when you draft.

I'd rather take a pro-bowl guard over a good player at another position any day. You can't always build a team in the order you want. You have to go with what is available, thus, I have always been a best player available guy....at least where we stand.

Sure, once you are a player away and have a good team, lean towards needs. Might as well. No need creating a competition at a position of strength.

We are still at a point with this team where needs isn't the predominating factor minus maybe 3-4 positions.

We don't need a LT, so we don't need to create a competition there. Haden is in the same boat, but he is only one of two. Richardson might be there, maybe a few others.....you get my point.

JMO

You know who else was ProBowl bound or a "sure 10year starter"? Aaron Curry, AJ Hawk, Gallery, Ty Jackson, G.Dorsey, DeCastro, Carimi etc etc

That said Warmack is a MUCH better player than DeCastro and I too think he'll be at least a good G, if not much more, but the value just isn't there for the position. Last offseason 2 of the best Gs in the game were let go in Nicks and Grubbs...the position just isn't worth it to invest so high.

If we take Warmack, we will be left scrmbling for pass rushers in rounds 3 to 5 and that's a stupid thing to do...it would be the 2009 draft all over again.

Speaking of Warmack, I watched the BCS vs LSU and Logan vs Warmack was a great battle. I'm not sure he can play 3-4 DE, but I'd love to add Logan...great mix of athleticism, ability and hustle

With that, my top 3 for our pick, as of now, are: Moore, Ansah, Milliner...it'd be a tough call between Ansah and Milliner for me. I'd love a tradedown and then get Ansah, but I'm not sure we would even get him at 11

Ansah is a big man that can run and lines up all over the front 7, exactly what Horton wants

and he's ALL hustle, LOVE how he plays and he has so much upside left it's ridiculous

I understand the appeal of having the worlds finest offensive line.

But Lauvao, Pinkson, and Greco is a pretty solid group.

Guard isn't really a top priority for us at all.

It is sort of bizarre but our offense is pretty much set at this point. Maybe a new TE. Maybe an elite QB if we can find one somewhere (next season most likely)

What we need is a pass rush and a free safety. Ideally a #2 corner would be a luxury and we need to stock up at LB.

I understand the conventional wisdom. Over the years i have pimped exactly 3 guards. Hutcheson, Andrews, and now Warmack. I wouldn't do it unless I felt he was worth the pick.

We can go after guys like Mingo, and maybe he will turn in to a great player. My thinking is he ends up more like Cam Wimbly. That isn't the value i am looking for at #6.

Like I said, Moore and Millner would have to be off the board before I went Warmack.

It's my opinion and I am sticking to it...at least until next week where things might change my opinion.

I will say that if Jarvis Jones checks out health wise....he does have a spinal issue, I would be good with that pick before Warmack.

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I will say that if Jarvis Jones checks out health wise....he does have a spinal issue, I would be good with that pick before Warmack.

I agree. I'd take him before DaMontre Moore if it wasn't for the spine issue. Hopefully, our medical staff can determine whether or not it will truly affect his professional play.

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I will say that if Jarvis Jones checks out health wise....he does have a spinal issue, I would be good with that pick before Warmack.

I agree. I'd take him before DaMontre Moore if it wasn't for the spine issue. Hopefully, our medical staff can determine whether or not it will truly affect his professional play.

No way...I was completely turned off by Jones' tape vs Bama, his game got worse with every Qtr, see here: http://www.youtube.com/v/nqczNIJJ2O4

If you watch tape on Moore or even Okafor, they're much better overall football players. Mingo and Jones are 1 trick speed ponies...and that's not even taking into account his medical and work ethic red flags. I'd stay the hell away at 6

Peen, I tend to agree with you.. would you rather take a shot on a guy you are less sure is going to be great just because he plays a sexier position or do you want the guy that is more likely to play in 6 pro-bowls at the non-sexy position...

Interesting stat, on the AFC pro-bowl team OL this year, you had:
At OT
Joe Thomas drafted #6 overall
D'Brick Ferguson - 4
Ryan Clady - 12
Jake Long - 1

At OG
Ben Grubbs - 29
Marshal Yanda - 86
Logan Mankins - 32
Brandon Moore - UDFA
Brian Waters - UDFA

At C
Nick Mangold - 29
Chris Myers - 200
Maurkice Pouncey - 18

So it sure seems like pro-bowl guards come from anywhere.. with that said, 2 of the guards are Ravens and 2 are Patriots.... oddly enough the 2 teams that played in the AFC Championship game.... and they have the #1 and #4 scoring offenses in the AFC with the #4 scoring offense winning the Super Bowl... so maybe there is a link between these non-sexy guards and offensive success...

well, he did have 2 sacks in the game against Bama. he also re-routed Lacy on a bunch of his runs and held the edge pretty well there also.

I may be biased because I watched the UGa v. Florida game. It was the most impressive, dominant performance that I saw a defensive player have this entire season (including Teo's early season games).

I don't know though, he was awfully productive and good anytime I saw him and everything I have read seems to back it up too. I'd like to rewatch the SEC-Champ though (i think they replay it on one of the ESPN-alternate stations, I'll look for it)

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A 6-3, 241-pound native of Columbus, Ga., Jones played in 26 games over his two seasons with Georgia, starting all of them. He finished his career with 28 sacks in that span (1.08/game), which is tied for third in school history. Jones also recorded 44 tackles for loss of 235 yards, 155 total tackles, nine forced fumbles and an interception during his time as a Bulldog.

Jones, a 2012 consensus First Team All-American, finished this season leading the nation in sacks (14.5 for loss of 103 yards) and tackles for loss (24.5 for loss of 132 yards) and forced fumbles (seven). He was third on the Bulldogs with 85 stops and added an interception and two fumble recoveries in 12 games played this season (Jones was injured for two of Georgia's 14 games).

http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010413aaa.html

Todd McShay has us taking Mingo at #6. With Moore still available. And he doesn't have Moore going until pick 13.

Mel Kiper has us taking Werner. Who probably can only play in a 4-3. And we are switching to a 3-4.

Why are these guys employed?

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Todd McShay has us taking Mingo at #6. With Moore still available. And he doesn't have Moore going until pick 13.

Mel Kiper has us taking Werner. Who probably can only play in a 4-3. And we are switching to a 3-4.

Why are these guys employed?

I think most ESPN guys make assumptions about the Browns, because I don't think they really watch any more then a few highlight packages.

I mean I get it, we're not good, and we're not in a big giant market, so we will probably get the least amount of attention, but I have heard some really stupid stuff out of their mouth that even the most casual of Browns fans would know better.

I think they are bad at their job (McShay and Kiper).

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I will say that if Jarvis Jones checks out health wise....he does have a spinal issue, I would be good with that pick before Warmack.

I agree. I'd take him before DaMontre Moore if it wasn't for the spine issue.

Nooooo way I'd do that...

What about tight ends outside of the first? Seems like I read conflicting reports on them. Thoughts...?

That Escobar kid seems to float back & forth between the 2nd & 3rd...

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I will say that if Jarvis Jones checks out health wise....he does have a spinal issue, I would be good with that pick before Warmack.

I agree. I'd take him before DaMontre Moore if it wasn't for the spine issue. Hopefully, our medical staff can determine whether or not it will truly affect his professional play.

No way...I was completely turned off by Jones' tape vs Bama, his game got worse with every Qtr, see here: http://www.youtube.com/v/nqczNIJJ2O4

If you watch tape on Moore or even Okafor, they're much better overall football players. Mingo and Jones are 1 trick speed ponies...and that's not even taking into account his medical and work ethic red flags. I'd stay the hell away at 6

I don't watch tapes. I watch games. My feeling is it is kind of goofy, even slightly creepy some sit around and watch tapes to come up with this or that opinion.

Even if you know what you are looking for.....information overload. It isn't a science, it's art, and a person doesn't need extra schooling to know a good painting from a bad painting.

It may help with a 6th rounder in some cases, but I don't really care about a 6th rounder. I don't care if you study it from now until high heaven or simply throw a dart at a name, you will end up about the same.

Hit your first 3 picks and you will have a winner, and it doesn't take a genius to make the first 3 picks.

Again, JMO, but I stick by it.

Peen, interested in your take on Jarvis Jones since he seemed to have his best games against your Gators.

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Peen, interested in your take on Jarvis Jones since he seemed to have his best games against your Gators.

I think he is a decent player. I worry about issues.

To my core, I'd take Warmack over him as I would know I was getting a stud. Jones is a bit of a risk IMO.

I don't care if he is a guard. He is big enough and nimble enough to make people run wide in the pass game...which at the guard position is good, and strong enough he can move anybody in front of him in the run game.

There is nothing not to like other than experts saying it isn't good value......screw that is my opinion. Ten on the stud-o-meter is good no matter the position.

fair enough, thanks.

Warmack could help our defense as much as Moore or Jones. Last year, our running game really couldn't get going, and the guards were to blame. If you can run the ball, you can control the clock and suddenly your defense looks pretty good. Not to mention, a healthy Richardson running behind a top 5 OL makes it easier for Weeden or whomever ends up taking snaps. And finally, we used a top pick on TR, who will be lucky to have six good years in the NFL. A guard like Warmack can have 15.

My Big Board for #6

Dion Jordan
2. Dion Jordan
3. Moore
4. Dion Jordan
5. Warnack

So you like Dion Jordan?

Maybe I watched the wrong games, but I wasn't impressed by his play, it was "meh" across the board for me.

Having him over Moore is a first on here. Overall Moore seems to be the consensus pick of this board, and many other Brownsfans. When was the last time the fanbase had such a consensus? Joe Thomas

If Moore is available at 6 and the FO "consenus" doesn't pick him, then we officially know we have "outsmarters" running the show.

Moore's lack of bend around the edge scares me. I asked DeepThreat and his answer is about spot on, "I don't see a dynamic pass-rusher. Lacks great burst and athleticism. High effort guy who plays with some power." - on Moore.

Sobo from OBR agrees.

how is Dion Jordan's shoulder? he didn't register a sack after he tweaked it and there were rumblings about possible surgery.

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Moore's lack of bend around the edge scares me. I asked DeepThreat and his answer is about spot on, "I don't see a dynamic pass-rusher. Lacks great burst and athleticism. High effort guy who plays with some power." - on Moore.

Sobo from OBR agrees.

Good for them. I want 3down football players and Moore is one. If you think football is a sport where track guys run around blocks on the NFL level, then think twice...or just go ahead and draft 3rd down specialists like J.Jones or Mingo....I mean, these dudes were toast at the College level as soon as someone got a hand on them. It always looks cooler or flashier when one of those guys beats you every 30th play with speed while that OL was caught napping or someone missed an assignment...in the NFL you need to be more than that. Jones is especially concerning to me since I see some lack of hustle in his play, Mingo tries but just is too light to defeat blocks.

It's the old speed vs power debate. Guys like Moore, Montgomery or Okafor are atheletic enough to beat OL, especially if lined up at OLB. The pass rushers that tend to bust have ALWAYS been speed-only rushers.

Moore is the ultimate team player, all hustle, very intelligent, anticipating positioning. I want my front 7 players to be like that, not pass rush "stat whores", who make that splash sack but then get run over on 3rd&short or get blocked out of the way for a huge run (happened a lot to J.Jones vs Bama).

There's enough data work out there that pretty much says that there's no significant difference between the AVG numbers of speed/athleticism at the combine and those of who turn out to be regular NFL starters. At best it is an issue if your at the lower end. What does that tell us? That you still need to be an all around football player and not an elite athlete to make it in the NFL.

Freeney, Dumerville and others disagree.

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They also played on Ds that were gashed by the run year in and year out.

That said, those guys are speed rushers AND high motor guys, roughly comparable in style to Mingo. I don't see that at all with J.Jones.

Dynamism.

That's the word for me when considering which player to pick at 6.

If it's me run support is well down the list as to what's important.

I'm looking at getting the guy who can get to the QB the best.

We need strip sacks, pressure, turnovers...

Whoever can get that done the best has my seal of approval.

j/c...

I really hope Spytek sits down with Ray Horton to talk about Devin Taylor (and I think it was you that's with me on this, right Hel?). This guy is the definition of a "big guy who can run." He's got huge hands and can swat at the QB and has chase speed to run down plays from the weak side. I bet he runs a sub-4.65 40 at the combine. At his body type (I think he's 6'7" 275#) he's not a clear fit anywhere in a traditional 3-4, but this guy can really get to the QB and chase down runners. It's at least worth going over with him. He's got a unique set of capabilities.

I'm not impressed with Taylor. He has terrible (non)use of hands, he does pretty much nothing with them. He's on his butt A LOT, doesn't look very coordinated or he's just what I call "leverage dumb". He looks straight-linish/one speed with little flexibility.

I'm not saying he's terrible, but for a guy who had all those opportunities playing at S.Carolina he doesn't look better now than he did as a Sophomore, a case could be made that he's worse today...and that's an alarming trend.

To me he is Margus Hunt after the hype bubble bursted....all ceiling, projection, but little tape to back it up.

I'd stay away from both

Yep that was me.

I just thought it was strange that a guy with his physical gifts isn't higher up. And he does pop off the screen from time to time. God doesn't make many of em like that.

He's the C student with 95th percentile SAT.

If our coaches think they can do something with him and bring out his full potential I'm all for it.

Didn't Calais Campbell go in the third or so?

Watching Joe Kruger (the Ravens' bro) after Hunt and Taylor makes me go nuts.

How on earth can anyone rate guys like Hunt and Taylor so much above Kruger? It's really beyond me...all 3 have similar size. 2 of them are considered great athletes or freaks although they do next to nothing on tape...then you watch Kruger, who is a much better football player.

Kruger is a perfect 3-4 DE we should look to draft on day 3

1) Moore
2) Werner
3) Lotulelei
4) Milliner

Whoever is telling u guys that Werner is all 4-3 are really uninformed. FSU had him lose 20 pounds to be able to play Standing Up as an OLB this year and he did it alot. It's the reason he's being touted as a DE/OLB. Kiper's not as ignorant as u might think.

Now beyond the fact Kiper has him going to us at 6, there's a solid reason for it.

It seems many of u guys are disregarding a DE/OLB simply because we are going to a 3-4. A DE/OLB is EXACTLY what we need for Horton's defense. Horton's multiple front defense dictates that we need a pass rusher when in a 4-3 alignment and we're going to see that alot.

The worst possible thing we could do is take a PURE 3-4 OLB that needs to come off the field when we're in a 4-3 alignment. IMO that player is Jones. Followed by Mingo and Jordan.

Moore and Werner are exactly what we need. Joeckel is a LOCK top 5 pick. We need 3 things to happen to have a shot at Moore or Werner.

1) Jones checks out medically and the rumors of him not having solid work ethic debunked to get him into the top 5.

2) A QB to shine and rise up the boards.

3) Milliner goes to Philly or Detroit.

Right now there are 2 top 5 LOCKS.

Joeckel and Lotulelei. Throw Jones and a QB in there and one of Moore or Werner is ours. Throw Milliner in there and we may just see BOTH sitting at 6 for us. That's the Perfect Storm.

Lutolelei? Why is he #3 on my board for us? If Pluto is right and Horton wants Taylor at the Nose, we need a STUD DE. Hopefully he is wrong and we end up with Moore or Werner.

We need to sign 3 FA's for the defense.

1) A decent CB
2) A decent FS
3) ELLERBE ILB

I then dangle D'Qwell Jackson to the highest 4-3 defense bidder because he has been a big part of the problem every time we attempted to run a 3-4 previously. And if he is again an ILB in this defense he will STILL be a problem.

Strengthen our Secondary with 2 FA moves.
Strengthen our ILB's with Ellerbe.
Strengthen our Pass Rush with Moore or Werner.
Our Front 3 is already a strength.

Horton will take this defense to another level with those 4 moves.

OK. Forget the Jackson idea lol.

Browns ILB D'Qwell Jackson's $3.6 million base salary for 2013 became fully guaranteed when he was kept on the roster as of Thursday.

The Browns could've gotten out of Jackson's deal by releasing him before Thursday, but they're counting on him to be an interior linchpin for their new 3-4 defense under Ray Horton. Although Jackson has struggled in the 3-4 before, his game is not entirely dissimilar from Cardinals ILB Daryl Washington's. Washington emerged as a high-impact player in Horton's scheme with Arizona. Feb 8 - 2:59 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3669/dqwell-jackson

Lotulelei is NOT a top 5 lock, only Joeckel is right now

I really think when all is said and done there's a good chance that we won't get ANY of Milliner, Moore and even Ansah...those 3 are my top 3 targets for our pick, but for anyone of them to drop we need 3 others out of Geno, Star, Werner and Joeckel to go top 5. Warmack WON'T go top 5, so don't even try that route. I see no other possibilities. Those 7 guys will battle it out for the top 5 spots imho

This is for everyone that thinks I'm

for having Cooper over Warmack at OG:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/articl...84-16f96540ead7

Chance Warmack, OG (6-2, 322), Alabama

Will not be the most athletic guard in this draft but maybe the one with the most nastiness to his game….old school blocker that comes off the ball with power and strength…is a physical player that can dominate defensive tackles in a small area…gets movement right off the snap…sets square and can handle the depth of the pocket…you do not see him get knocked back at all…can really anchor down when rushers try and take him down the middle…plays with upper and lower body power…not going to be the best for pulling or getting out on screens…is a little bit of a plodder…is not initially quick and will struggle some when he has to deal with a quick defender…had some problems with the LSU rushers…had some trouble on the backside cut off and went to the ground several times in the Missouri game…did a nice job in the Notre Dame game when he had to block back…able to seal the defender without any problems…didn’t see any mental errors or busts…looked smart enough to make adjustments…mental errors inside are killer and he looked fine…plays a position that is not typically drafted high but his toughness is impressive.

Jonathan Cooper, OG (6-3, 310), North Carolina

Cooper is the starter at left guard for the Tar Heels….he is the opposite of Warmack of Alabama when it comes to athletic ability…very easy pull and adjust…plays on his feet…offense calls for plenty of boots and waggles and he is always the one pulling to the outside to get in position…can set and mirror the rusher easily…does a nice job of riding his man past the quarterback on the outside rush…hardly ever see him on the ground…very good knee bend and can anchor down when he has too….not able to always get the push that you would from Warmack but his sustain is outstanding…when he hooks up on the block, he is able to work his hands inside for control…plays a lot of his snaps from a two point stance….would not call him a dominating run blocker but more of a tie up and control with athletic ability….on film you can see him make the line calls and adjustments….feel like offensively you can do more things with his skill set than that of Warmack but he doesn’t play with that nastiness…think you could play this player at center and I don’t believe you could with Warmack.

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Lotulelei is NOT a top 5 lock, only Joeckel is right now

I really think when all is said and done there's a good chance that we won't get ANY of Milliner, Moore and even Ansah...those 3 are my top 3 targets for our pick, but for anyone of them to drop we need 3 others out of Geno, Star, Werner and Joeckel to go top 5. Warmack WON'T go top 5, so don't even try that route. I see no other possibilities. Those 7 guys will battle it out for the top 5 spots imho

WRONG on one account. Lotulelei WILL go top 5 and very well may go #1 overall. DT. Do more homework.

CORRECT on one account. Warmack will NOT go top 5. I'll say top SIX cause we won't even consider an OG at 6.

The wild card in all of this top 5 stuff is going to be Philly.

Strange combination of Kelly and Shurmer. Never will be able to figure that one out. U almost can't get a more backward philosophy going. Kelly's wide open Oregon style, yet should be dumbed down in the NFL. But Shurmer and his WCO?

THEY might be the ones to go Smith. New regime. New QB.

Interesting to see if ANOTHER QB rises up for KC/Jax/Zona.