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Posted By: Brownoholic "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 08:49 PM
1) Milliner 2) Mingo

Browns notes: Alabama CB Dee Milliner reportedly No. 1 draft priority, then LSU OLB Barkevious Mingo

By NATE ULRICH Published: April 16, 2013

The Browns have the sixth overall pick in the draft and a glaring hole in the starting lineup at cornerback, so selecting Alabama’s Dee Milliner, the top-rated player at the position, would make perfect sense if he’s available.

It also would be logical for the Browns to target a pass rusher at No. 6 if Milliner isn’t available.

Well, Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net reported that’s the strategy the Browns have adopted.

“Sources close to situation tell me Dee Milliner/CB/Alabama is #1 priority for Cleveland Browns with Barkevious Mingo/LB/LSU the contingency,” Pauline wrote today on Twitter.

For what it’s worth, Super Bowl-winning coach and ESPN analyst Jon Gruden mentioned the possibility of the Browns drafting Milliner or Mingo during a conference call Monday.

“I think Cleveland fortunately is going to be sitting in a position to get an outstanding outside linebacker,” Gruden said. “I love Barkevious Mingo at LSU. He’s one, one of my favorite players in this draft. I think he could convert to the outside linebacker position and be an every-down force rushing the passer. I’ve seen him drop in coverage. He has an electrifying inside move. I really think he’s got a huge upside.

“And to have Dee Milliner on the other side of [Joe] Haden would be outstanding as well. So Cleveland’s going to get a good player. I’m not saying they’re going with the outside ’backer or with the corner, but they’re going to get a really good player should they go that route.”

The Browns hosted Milliner and Mingo during pre-draft visits last week. They also conducted a private workout with Mingo, NFL Network reported.

With the draft set to begin April 25, there are plenty of smokescreens being set and misdirection is the name of the game. Still, it shouldn’t be surprising if Milliner or Mingo land in Cleveland.

Of course, the possibility of the Browns trading down from No. 6 certainly can’t be ruled out, either. And such a move would bring several other scenarios to the forefront.
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 08:50 PM
Also my two top choices.
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 08:51 PM
However, if Milliner is gone, I'd look for a trade back with New Orleans at 15
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Browns notes: Alabama CB Dee Milliner reportedly No. 1 draft priority, then LSU OLB Barkevious Mingo

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Of course, the possibility of the Browns trading down from No. 6 certainly can’t be ruled out, either. And such a move would bring several other scenarios to the forefront.




So, Millner, Mingo or a trade down for several other possibilites. Way to narrow it down. "Outside of the top 5 guys being taken, it could be anyone else."

Not cracking on your addition to the board, any article is a good read at this point. All in fun.
So, we have an ABJ beat writer quoting some nobody with a random Draft website via something he posted on twitter referencing an unnamed "source", and it's "backed up" by Gruden giving a "Captain Obvious" soundbite that he was undoubtedly prepped to give? And oh, by the way, this draft site nobody also portends to be able to actually report on the Draft strategy that the team has adopted?

Then, they end the article with a sentence dislaiming that "oh, by the way, just so we've covered all the bases ...they may not do any of the above at all."


lol
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Sources close to situation tell me Dee Milliner/CB/Alabama is #1 priority for Cleveland Browns with Barkevious Mingo/LB/LSU the contingency,” Pauline wrote today on Twitter.




Wonder if that's twitter-speak for "Browns' beat writer."
hehe!


Circular reference... death by recursion!!!! lol
Mingo is my #1 choice so I can't be the source......
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 10:12 PM
I'm just saying, this comes out after the FBI raided Pilot/Flying J yesterday?

I think it's safe to say that the head of the FBI is a Steeler fan, and they raided Pilot/Flying J to get our draft board.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 10:12 PM
I will say this again....my number 1 scenario would be to move all the way out of the first round of this draft to stockpile 2014 first round picks. A move to the 12-15 range could net us 1 first rounder in 2014. A move from there to 28-35 could net us an additional 1st rounder in 2014 and we'd take a pick at that number.

We could then do a total evaluation of the team and know exactly what we have in 2013 with everyone (most importantly Weeden).

If Weeden is great then we have a huge influx of top end talent at multiple positions. If Weeden is not up to snuff then we have all kinds of ammo to get a top QB next year.

My second best scenario is Millner. Third best would be some sort of minor trade down to take whichever OLB we deem most impactful to disrupt opponents passing game.

We shall see what comes to pass.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 10:18 PM
At least we are trageting SEC players. That's a good start.


I can see a lot of war rooms asking who's the best SEC player left?
I could see your war room saying "OK, who is the best SEC OG left?"
I've been done listening to "sources" ever since they claimed we had Chip Kelly locked up to be our head coach..

have to wait til' draft day to see.. but its obvious Milliner is on our radar.
Milliner is a no brainer if there, Mingo is good but we could trade down to 11-12 and get him ....
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 11:42 PM
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Milliner is a no brainer if there, Mingo is good but we could trade down to 11-12 and get him ....




The problem with that is, you have to find someone willing to trade up.

People too often assume, "Well, we can trade down"

You can't if no one wants to trade up.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/16/13 11:47 PM
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I could see your war room saying "OK, who is the best SEC OG left?"






Make fun all you want. Guards aren't important until people bull rush up the middle and are in your QB's face a split off the snap.



Just saying.
You can never have to many, either. You could use a reserve guard at...
Yes, of course guards are important. I was just merging your love for your two favorite things! Guards and the SEC!
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I could see your war room saying "OK, who is the best SEC OG left?"






Make fun all you want. Guards aren't important until people bull rush up the middle and are in your QB's face a split off the snap.



Just saying.




So True, especially for QB's that aren't mobile ... Remember in Kosar's best days he had Dan Fike and George Lilja ... just sayin
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Milliner is a no brainer if there, Mingo is good but we could trade down to 11-12 and get him ....




The problem with that is, you have to find someone willing to trade up.

People too often assume, "Well, we can trade down"

You can't if no one wants to trade up.




The problem is relying on mock draft to back up where a player is going. No one knows what teams are thinking..and that includes the Mel Kipers of the world.

Someone like Mingo could be the top rated OLB for teams or a late first rounder for others. We don't know. Remember Bruce Irvin last year?

And yes, trading down can't be done just because a team wants to....
Mingo is just an athlete, no thank you.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 12:09 AM
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Yes, of course guards are important. I was just merging your love for your two favorite things! Guards and the SEC!






I know you were man. Just bustin your balls a bit.



None the less, IMO you still need to build from the middle out.

No doubt tackle is harder to fill because it is harder to find the right guys, but if we follow the Savage mantra that you can always find guards later, you are always going to suck like Savage.


We've thrown 3rd and 4th rounders at the position and still suck at the position. Maybe we just need to fix it.



And to whoever....I don't recall.....sorry, but I agree , put them at TE or FB if blocking is the primary goal. You don't put in a reserve guard if running or catching the ball is the primary goal.
Posted By: The Big G Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 12:54 AM
A trade down to get one of the two big guards really is tempting. We could have a healthy TR running behind the best offensive line in football, and that would do wonders for the passing game and would keep the defense off the field.
Mingo and Milliner have been my guys for a month. I hope it is true. Mingo will surprise everyone.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 11:23 AM
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I'm just saying, this comes out after the FBI raided Pilot/Flying J yesterday?

I think it's safe to say that the head of the FBI is a Steeler fan, and they raided Pilot/Flying J to get our draft board.




Shouldn't that be in Purple
Posted By: eotab Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 02:03 PM
Well I see this as a DEFINITE - MAYBE
Posted By: bbrowns32 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 05:39 PM
j/c From what I'm hearing from the "resident experts" on the NFL Network, a trade down to say #11 or 12, is not likely to net us a 2nd rounder (more likely a 3rd). I find that hard to believe, and certainly unacceptable. If we can't scoop a 2nd, then stay at #6 and pick Milliner...
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 05:47 PM
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I'm just saying, this comes out after the FBI raided Pilot/Flying J yesterday?

I think it's safe to say that the head of the FBI is a Steeler fan, and they raided Pilot/Flying J to get our draft board.




Shouldn't that be in Purple




Nope.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 05:49 PM
THROW LONG hacked your account.
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 05:49 PM
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j/c From what I'm hearing from the "resident experts" on the NFL Network, a trade down to say #11 or 12, is not likely to net us a 2nd rounder (more likely a 3rd). I find that hard to believe, and certainly unacceptable. If we can't scoop a 2nd, then stay at #6 and pick Milliner...




I think they're right. A trade 5-6 spots wouldn't get us a #2 UNLESS there are multiple teams fighting for, and in love with, one player. The high demand may have someone give up more than normally necessary.

I just don't see an top 15 pick in the second round being forfeited to move up a few spots.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 05:58 PM
I can see it. It happened last year. Dallas traded to pick 6 from pick 14, they also gave up their second round pick.

If someone wants a tackle enough, and it seems like multiple teams do (Dolphins, Cardinals, Chargers) we can get a second round pick.
Let's hope you're right because I think a trade down is a real possibility.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 06:02 PM
As it should be.
Sources say: 'Attack Dawg wants to run the draft again and if he could have for the last 10 years the Browns would be playoff headed 10 years straight"..
Browns get: #31 pick, #34 pick, a few role players
49ers get: #6 pick, Late Round picks, 1 role player

^ Something along these lines remains doable IMO. I don't see why people are glossing over this possibility.
Posted By: TopDawg16 Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 06:42 PM
If SF wants to jump all the way from #31 to #6, it's likely going to cost them a future first round pick.

Most big jumps in the first round like that do.
Posted By: PDR Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 06:43 PM
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If SF wants to jump all the way from #31 to #6, it's likely going to cost them a future first round pick.

Most big jumps in the first round like that do.




Or Phil Dawson.
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If SF wants to jump all the way from #31 to #6, it's likely going to cost them a future first round pick.

Most big jumps in the first round like that do.




^This.

Also, and it's just my opinion...I am ok with a trade down, but not sure I want to trade down that far. This team has noticeable holes to fill #2CB, FS, LB. Late in the first round the Milliners, Rhodes, Trufants, Vaccaro's and the host of OLBs of the world could be gone. Even for a future first, I'd still prefer to stay in the teens IF we decided to move back. Again, just one man's opinion.

We may have pigeon-holed ourselves to draft for need rather than BPA. I think staying at 6 or moving back a few slots affords us to draft for need and BPA.
Posted By: Haus Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/17/13 07:01 PM
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Browns get: #31 pick, #34 pick, a few role players
49ers get: #6 pick, Late Round picks, 1 role player

^ Something along these lines remains doable IMO. I don't see why people are glossing over this possibility.



It's not enough value. For the sake of comparison, look at the Morris Claiborne and Julio Jones trades the last 2 years.

Falcons gave up 27, 59, 124, and 2012 1st and 4th for #6.
Cowboys 14 and 45 for #6.
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If SF wants to jump all the way from #31 to #6, it's likely going to cost them a future first round pick.

Most big jumps in the first round like that do.




^ 50% this.

We keep saying we need a 2nd Round pick. How else are we going to get one? The trade with the Chargers is unrealistic. It would be nice, but still unrealistic. I can see a scenario where the 49ers would give up a couple solid role players (not bums) that fit our needs along with middle round picks and the combo of #31 and #34. 2014 or 2015 1st Rounder? Great, but focusing on now, a strong package deal would help. I see depth at CB even in this area.
dont trade down to get a group of valkune and robo and momas again....we dont need another center either!
Not sure why you think a trade down with San Diego is not possible. I can see 3 teams wanting to draft a LT who are not in the top 5 and thus do not have a chance at Fisher or Joekyl (Arizona, San Diego, and Miami). Miami has the most to offer in terms of draft picks to move up, but do not discount the fact the SD desperately needs to improve their OL and Lane Johnson offers them that opportunity and he won't be there at 11.
Posted By: slick Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/21/13 11:03 PM
I just dont see how the browns DONT TAKE a corner in round 1 even if it isnt millner. Mingo is a big question mark if you ask me.....very risky pick. If we dont pick up a 2nd round pick then you have no choice but to take a corner even if millner is not there. AND, even if we do get a 2nd round pick......do yo want to wait that long? because all of the top CB's will be gone by then........as far as im concerned...WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE ONE OF THE TOP CORNERS IN THE FIRT ROUND.....OTHERWISE THIS DRAFT S A FAIL...
Posted By: MrKelso Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/21/13 11:43 PM
I would rather trade back, we have three or four holes that need filled. We need a cornerback, offensive guard, free safety, and another pass rusher. You could also say that we might need an inside linebacker and tight end as well. The smart play is to try and trade back so we can get more picks to try and pickup multiple players.
JC

Michael Reghi of WKNR said the Browns top two choices are Barkevious Mingo and Tyler Eifert. I'm assuming it from his sources (like they all have) but who knows for sure. Just fueling the speculation as we get close.....just a few days away.
Posted By: Arps Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/22/13 01:03 PM
J/C
Anytime I see "sources" anymore, all I think is "Twitter"
Posted By: Damanshot Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/22/13 01:20 PM
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J/C
Anytime I see "sources" anymore, all I think is "Twitter"




That's funny, I always think of Tony Grossi

He's his own source..
Posted By: eotab Re: "Sources" say our top 2 choices are... - 04/22/13 02:07 PM
It seems if the author has read it some where it is now classed as "sources". Gone are the days of real investigative journalism. So the author named his source n it was Jon Gruden talking on what he would target for the Browns.

Savage who is friends with Lombardi n in communication stated we were targeting Millner n Ansah. Of course if a true friend...why would he spill the beans.

At this point I don't think anyone knows who we are targeting except the Four that were in the room discussing the board. Banner/Lombardi/Farmer/Chud...anything else being reported as "Sources" is guys listening to others talk about the draft. We got this thing locked up tight as a Drum. Nothing is being leaked...unless we LEAK IT.

Trade back...Hope that Albert trade thing does not go through. Miami opens the door for us to have a nice auction for #6 n the last of the top 3 LT prospects on the board. Knowing Zona probably will take them at #7. Would love to make the trade with Zona pends how bad they want him...in 04 we moved up from #7 to #6 to take KW2 giving up a 2nd. Now all we need is Butch to run the show in Zona...lol

Top 5 are usually known by now but the lack of an obvious ranking chain separating 5 top talents (or QBs) has this draft bouncing all over the place. One day Floyd is going top 3 next day he is going outside of Top 10. Star there in top 5 then he drops. Ansah bouncing up from way back. One thing that does seem to be certain is the Top 2 Left Tackles will go in the top 5. And that is only a 90% certainty still leaving an outside chance of I DON'T KNOW WHAT. CB is not a normal top 5 position. But the two highest being QB n WR are not worthy of TOP 5 leaving the door for NOT THE NORM.

This baby is so UP IN THE AIR! Well according to my Sources
Only way I'm happy drafting any TE in the first is if it meant trading down TWICE....

FYI, thats in response to Memphis up there...
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Only way I'm happy drafting any TE in the first is if it meant trading down TWICE....

FYI, thats in response to Memphis up there...




Got it. And I don't disagree. However, McShay has Eifert going to us at 6. Maybe there is something floating around in the world of the NFL. Maybe not.

I don't think much of McShay, but think he is usually more accurate than his counterpart, Kiper.

Maybe Reghi's source was McShay....ha, that'd be a small circle of influence.
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