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Posted By: bonefish Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:09 PM

Just get it right.

With all the regime changes that have transpired each draft has had "the brains" in charge.

I have tried to remain optimistic with each new group. The results however have not been good. The win column reflects the story.

So now Banner/Lombardi take their swing. Haslam has his own laundry to clean.

Get impact players. And for the love of Mike please find a quarterback who can run the show at a high level for the next 15 years.
Posted By: Punchsmack Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:20 PM
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Just get it right.




I think we all share that sentiment. The catch, depending on what's there at each pick, we can only get it as right as what available. Meaning, if there isn't a future pro bowler available, we can't really be upset for them not getting one. Yes, there's probably one that's hidden, but they're hidden for a reason and every other team is unaware too.

Not sure if this is thread also is where we post our Final Draft Predictions too, I'll do it anyway.

I think our FO wants to trade down as much as anyone ever has with a top 10 pick. By not having a 2nd rounder, which we were glad to use to get Gordon, we're still quite a few bodies away from being a contender and I think they'll do whatever it takes to get it back. I think they'll be glad to drop aout 5 spots to still grab Rhodes and use the 2nd rounder+ to move to get another QB.

As bad as that sounds, I think it's fine. Kiper was on PTI yesterday and he says with the new rookie pay scale, it's not a big deal to take a QB in the first and miss. Sure you miss, but you're not locked into him for 5 years and $80 guaranteed. So tossing Weeden or any new QB to the curb isn't that big of deal anymore.

As for the later rounds, I have no idea. I don't pretend to know what safety or TE is best in the 3rd round, so I won't even try. I would like them to focus on speed and playmaking ability since the "3rd yards and a cloud of dust" era is over.
Posted By: Jester Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:36 PM
Here is my questions:

If we trade down, all other things being equal, do you prefer a 2013 2nd round pick or 2014 1st round pick?
Posted By: Punchsmack Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:39 PM
2013. We need help now. The extra year the pick/player is here means more experience and the faster he'll become what we want.

I think the only teams that can push picks to the follow year are ones that are already contenders (Pats). Not that they don't want them, its that they don't really need them to get to the playoffs. We do.
Posted By: PastorMarc Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:46 PM
On WKNR thi morning they wee talking about a mock draft (Can't remember which) where they had us trading down with the Vikings getting#23 and a 2nd and drafting Geno Smith I would think if we went that low it would cost them a 2014 1st also ... JMHO
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 06:46 PM
I was hoping we get it wrong.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 07:30 PM
My final draft thought is this:

I have never seen a worse pool of talent coming into the NFL in my 30 years of fandom.

Juxtapose that with one of the better draft classes in recent memory in 2014.

I know for a fact that 5 underclassmen would go before anyone in this draft:

Jadevon Clowney
Teddy Bridgewater
Johnny Manziel
Tajh Boyd
Marquise Lee

And there may be a few more that could be debated.

I would do everything in my power to stockpile 2014 first rounders at the potential expense of the 2013 season.

I ultimately want to see the Browns win the Superbowl.

The talent to do it hits shore next year.
Posted By: Browns26 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 07:40 PM
I agree 100%. Since this isn't the draft to get the QB of the future. Fill up the rest of the roster with quality players and then get the QB next year.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 07:55 PM
Strongly disagree with you.

This draft is not very top heavy with can't miss guys, but there are some very talented players in this draft. Especially at the OT position, there could be 3 potential franchise left tackles there.

The problem is, this is a weak draft for QB's, WR'ers and RBs, so it's being looked down upon heavily. I don't think there is an immediate offensive star from this class.
Posted By: Fox&Hound7 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 09:03 PM
My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.
Posted By: DawgmaninCHARLOTTE Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 09:05 PM
This is a Defensive and a OL heavy draft. There are not any K and P even touted in this years draft. This is the year to grab the franchised CB. FS OLB ILB DE OG that we so need. There is even only 4 real TE in this draft. Next year there will be 15 QB and WR we can grab. It is a matter of where the Priorities are.
next year our draft is normal 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Posted By: Punchsmack Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 09:22 PM
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My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.




1) We would need a team to want our #6 pick before we can get an extra second. You can't blame the FO if nobody wants to give us one. Blame all you want if we reject an offer to trade down, though I don't know if we could ever know that for sure, but come on. Heck, I would be upset if we forced a stupid trade to get a 2nd.

2) Assuming you know the future, sure. If the QB turns out to be great, what then?

3) Again, need a partner to shock the world. If teams are unwilling to make a huge trade, how is that a bad grade for our FO? And also, you're assuming they want to make a huge trade.

4) Okay, I agree with you there.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 09:44 PM
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Just get it right.

With all the regime changes that have transpired each draft has had "the brains" in charge.

I have tried to remain optimistic with each new group. The results however have not been good. The win column reflects the story.

So now Banner/Lombardi take their swing. Haslam has his own laundry to clean.

Get impact players. And for the love of Mike please find a quarterback who can run the show at a high level for the next 15 years.




I hear you and agree with nearly everything except the QB ... I don't know if there is one in the draft - and I have not given up on Weeden in a new office that *should* showcase his skills.

For the people saying we don't have a 2nd round pick ... yes we do - just so happens he is on the team already, and I love the pick.
Posted By: 4thandPunt Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 09:48 PM
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Here is my questions:

If we trade down, all other things being equal, do you prefer a 2013 2nd round pick or 2014 1st round pick?




Depends on the team.

If it is someone like the Phins or Rams, I'll take the 2nd rounder this year.

If it is the Jets, GIMME GIMME NEXT YEAR'S FIRST! That is Clowney or Bridgewater right there!
Posted By: PowderBlue11 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 10:10 PM
Can someone please tell me the point of this thread?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 10:47 PM
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Here is my questions:

If we trade down, all other things being equal, do you prefer a 2013 2nd round pick or 2014 1st round pick?




Depends on the team.

If it is someone like the Phins or Rams, I'll take the 2nd rounder this year.

If it is the Jets, GIMME GIMME NEXT YEAR'S FIRST! That is Clowney or Bridgewater right there!






I doubt it. Clowney is the first pick. He might be the best to come along in 40 years. Whoever holds the first is going to take him.

If someone hopes to trade up, it's going to take more than a couple of 1st round picks. That's a swap and a first rounder. I wouldn't do that. No way. Start talking a swap and two first rounders and a 2nd or two somewhere in there and I might start to listen.


Clowney might be the best since LeRoy Selmon. The guy is a beast unleashed.
Posted By: candyman92 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/24/13 10:49 PM
My final mock draft:

1. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU

3. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, UCONN

4. Josh Evans, FS, Florida

5. William Gholston, DE, Michigan State

5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama

6. Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas

7. Quinn Sharp, P, Oklahoma State
Posted By: MrUniverse Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:32 AM
Me i would much rather keep the #6 pick and draft a defensive stud at CB or OLB than trade down and pick up two good but not stud players.

The Browns need to come away with a difference maker, someone that offensive coordinators have to game plan against.

Millner, Ziggy, Mingo one will still be on the board at #6 and that is who the Browns need to draft.

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Posted By: 4thandPunt Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:53 AM
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Here is my questions:

If we trade down, all other things being equal, do you prefer a 2013 2nd round pick or 2014 1st round pick?




Depends on the team.

If it is someone like the Phins or Rams, I'll take the 2nd rounder this year.

If it is the Jets, GIMME GIMME NEXT YEAR'S FIRST! That is Clowney or Bridgewater right there!






I doubt it. Clowney is the first pick. He might be the best to come along in 40 years. Whoever holds the first is going to take him.

If someone hopes to trade up, it's going to take more than a couple of 1st round picks. That's a swap and a first rounder. I wouldn't do that. No way. Start talking a swap and two first rounders and a 2nd or two somewhere in there and I might start to listen.


Clowney might be the best since LeRoy Selmon. The guy is a beast unleashed.




I know one of those guys is the first pick.

I think you are underestimating how truly god awful of a situation the Jets are in right now, they REALLY look like they will be one of the worst teams in the league.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:54 AM
Worst NFL Draft in past 10 Years +

There are always a variety of opinions about the NFL Draft. Opinions are like, well, you know. But a high-ranking team executive I trust implicitly says this: "Worst draft in past 10 years or longer."

"When we look back at this draft in five or 10 years," said the team executive, "we might view it as one of the worst we've seen in some time."

What I'm hearing repeatedly from some team personnel men, as the draft gets closer and the honesty increases, is that this draft is subpar. Extremely subpar. Few team personnel want to say anything publicly about the paucity of talent out of fear of hearing from the NFL. There's this thought process that if you criticize the draft, you risk the ire of the NFL; the league doesn't want anyone publicly criticizing the draft out of fear of injuring television ratings.

While it's generally acknowledged that teams can get solid players in later rounds of this draft, the quality of drafts are about franchise players. The exceptional. When a draft has a Manning or Elway or Marino or Newton or RG3, that is when scouts and league personnel marvel and smile.

The problem with this draft, says the general manager, is it possibly lacks two important qualities: franchise quarterbacks and large swaths of impact players. There will be more than a few solid players, this GM predicts, but not a large number of great ones.

"There will be 13-15 players picked in the first round that are true first-rounders," he said. "That's a fairly low number."

Last year, according to the general manager, there were 20-23 players who were true first-rounders. That's about average.

Quarterbacks shape a draft the way they shape teams. This general manager believes that none of the quarterbacks is an actual first-round talent. I find that borderline silly as Geno Smith certainly is; but this GM is not alone in his thinking. It does say a lot about this quarterback class when Ryan Nassib could be a top-10 pick. One scout called him Ryan NaLeaf, a totally unfair comparison to the epic bust, Ryan Leaf. Unfair, but kind of funny.

Many millions of people have been wrong about the draft -- including the experts, the men who do the drafting. Maybe this is a case of that. But I think this is mostly right. I think we'll look back at this draft and wince.
Posted By: Jester Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:57 AM
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Here is my questions:

If we trade down, all other things being equal, do you prefer a 2013 2nd round pick or 2014 1st round pick?




Depends on the team.

If it is someone like the Phins or Rams, I'll take the 2nd rounder this year.

If it is the Jets, GIMME GIMME NEXT YEAR'S FIRST! That is Clowney or Bridgewater right there!





I would take the 1st rounder next year. I would rather wait a year and get a better player than take an inferior player this year just to get the guy into our system sooner.
Posted By: Fox&Hound7 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:12 AM
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My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.




1) We would need a team to want our #6 pick before we can get an extra second. You can't blame the FO if nobody wants to give us one. Blame all you want if we reject an offer to trade down, though I don't know if we could ever know that for sure, but come on. Heck, I would be upset if we forced a stupid trade to get a 2nd.

2) Assuming you know the future, sure. If the QB turns out to be great, what then?

3) Again, need a partner to shock the world. If teams are unwilling to make a huge trade, how is that a bad grade for our FO? And also, you're assuming they want to make a huge trade.

4) Okay, I agree with you there.




I don't know the future. Just have to think practical. Taking a QB so early is not practical no matter how you slice it in our case. I'm not thrilled by Weeden in the slightest, but we do need to give him a 2nd year to see if he will figure it out. I'm open to drafting a QB from Round 3 and on down.

I'm not trying to be so harsh on our FO. If anything, I don't have any hard feelings on the FO compared to many other guys here. I see a trade partner already; Their name is the San Francisco 49ers. 13 draft picks and the Niners will sign them all? Not happening. They're trading some of them away. Plus, I'm not asking for a super duper sized trade. I'm just looking for something that will give the Browns a 2nd Round pick. That's all.
Posted By: Schadenfreude Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:25 AM
I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling the Browns are going to trade up (I hope I'm wrong as that would be a huge mistake).
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:33 AM
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I hope I'm wrong, but I get the feeling the Browns are going to trade up (I hope I'm wrong as that would be a huge mistake).




Mike Silver of Yahoo is reporting that multiple sources are saying the Browns could move up to 3 and make a deal with the Raiders.....smoke screen? He thinks we like Ansah.
Posted By: bbrowns32 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:39 AM
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...multiple sources are saying the Browns could move up to 3



There is just no way, besides we don't have the ammo unless it involves our 1st rounder next year. Good grief...just say no.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:41 AM
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...multiple sources are saying the Browns could move up to 3



There is just no way, besides we don't have the ammo unless it involves our 1st rounder next year. Good grief...just say no.




Akron Beacon Journal is now running with it....

The Oakland Raiders might be trying to trade down from the third overall pick in the NFL Draft with the Browns as a possible trade partner, Michael Silver of Yahoo Sports reported tonight.

If the Browns make the move, Silver speculated they would be targetting Brigham Young defensive end/outside linebacker Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah.

The Browns have the sixth overall pick in the draft, which runs Thursday through Saturday. They have a total of seven selections but lack a second-round selection.

Browns CEO Joe Banner made it clear last week during a pre-draft news conference the organization is open to trading down. Trading up, though, would be a suprise.

When asked at the NFL owners meeting in March if the Browns could trade up, owner Jimmy Haslam said, "I think that’s doubtful."

Still, nothing can be ruled out because deception is the name of the game this time of year in the NFL. After all, former General Manager Tom Heckert guaranteed the Browns would not trade up last year, and then they moved from No. 4 overall to No. 3 so they could nab running back Trent Richardson.

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Posted By: Browns Lifer Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:41 AM
We better not be trading up for anybody in this draft. Period.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:46 AM
I'd only look back at a draft and wince, if the Browns don't have any picks.
Posted By: anarchy2day Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:09 AM
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We better not be trading up for anybody in this draft. Period.






I know that they don't care what we think, but this would be a huge mistake. It would, I think, be a move that would cost Haslam a great deal of money and he's veto it. If Banner & Lombardi tried to do this and he didn't veto it, he'd deserve to have the FBI and IRS looking at everything he's ever done.
Posted By: clwb419 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:16 AM
Yuck, not a fan of moving up. And the cost...a 2nd rounder, plus probably a 4th. I wonder if they're not comfortable with Sheard after the mini-camp and are considering unloading him?

Regardless, move down, not up please.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:29 AM
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It would, I think, be a move that would cost Haslam a great deal of money and he's veto it.




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Since when has Haslam said he wouldn't spend money, money that's already been figured in and spent by the rookie salary pool?
Posted By: jfanent Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:39 AM
It's not about the money, it's about the talent or pick(s) we'd have to give up. We're short in both areas.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:43 AM
Well, the only thing I can say at this point is

In Lombardi We Trust! Said no man ever...

I think I'm getting lit up by about 830 tomorrow in case it all goes south. Between the Geno/EJ rumors, the trade up rumors, I don't know what to think. And while you can't believe anything these last hours, these guys sure as hell are making me nervous.
Posted By: anarchy2day Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:54 AM
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It would, I think, be a move that would cost Haslam a great deal of money and he's veto it.




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Since when has Haslam said he wouldn't spend money, money that's already been figured in and spent by the rookie salary pool?




But he didn't get to be a billionaire by not caring where every nickel of his money went. When he spends a nickel, he's expecting to get 6 cents back in return.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:36 AM
One other final thought:

The biggest holes on our starting units in order:

CB2: Buster Skrine

FS: Tashaun Gipson
TE: Jordan Cameron
LG: John Greco
QB: Brandon Weeden
WOLB: Jabaal Sheard

The space was intentional. Buster Skrine is awful. I really hope we come away from the draft with a guy we can plug in and play be it Dee Milliner or another one of the top 5 or so guys.

I also will point out that I hope we don't trade up for a WOLB when I want to see Sheard fail first.
Posted By: Paco Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:46 AM
I think a lot of people on here hate skrine... he's not a bad player. He's just not starting quality but makes excellent nickel/dime DB, and tackles very well for a DB.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:08 AM
Milliner or trade down
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:08 AM
My final thoughts .....?

No one outside of the Browns brain trust really knows what they are planning. There has been plenty of speculation of them doing just about everything and anything. I think that there has been a lot of very carefully placed misinformation spread throughout the media.

The Browns could be staying put .... they could be moving up ... they could be moving down ...... no one (except them) is quite sure. I think that's probably good if they want to get the best value in a fairly flat draft.

I do bet that there will be people who are happy, and other rabidly PO'd by whatever the Browns do tomorrow.
Posted By: Lyuokdea Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:21 AM
Haven't spent months watching tape like last year (I really really overdid it then).

Just praying we don't take Gino Smith (or any other 1st Round QB), or Tyler Eifert (really? who came up with this one)

Other opinions:

Lotulelei and Ansah are beasts -- I think Lotulelei still goes top 10 for sure (and maybe top 5). I think too many draftnik's degrade him for a heart issue that turned into nothing. I'm not sure where either of these guys fit on a Browns defense, but I'd love to see them both in Orange and Brown.

Floyd was very productive in college, but I worry a bit about his skillset translating to the NFL, in my opinion he does an excellent job taking advantage of blocking mistakes - but isn't going to overpower, or get around, a technically sound OL.

Mingo is a much better fit (scheme wise) - and I think he's clearly the best pass rushing OLB in the class. Part of what makes him great though is his first step, something you might lose a bit of if he's not down on the line.

Not a big fan of Dion Jordan -- sure Oregon lines him up against WRs, but he's not doing that in the NFL, so how does that affect his evaluation? Jordan has almost no array of serious pass rush moves at this point. He gets a lot of credit for being in a scheme that makes him look more unique (faster) than he really is.

I like Milliner a lot, wouldn't mind having him at 6 -- on the other hand he's not Patrick Peterson, or even Claiborne. That said, having two solid corners allows you to do a ton schematically with your defense - and I think Milliner has a high floor. I like Xavier Rhodes, who seems to be sliding quite a bit.

Jonathan Cooper has more upside than Chance Warmack, but Warmack is probably a better scheme fit. They are both extremely solid - though I'm not sure if they are worth it at 6. I liked DeCastro more than either. Also, if I was picking #6 and was drafting for our line, I'd rather grab the faller out of Joeckel/Fisher and try to move Schwartz to LG. Would be a position change for him, but I think that makes a stronger line than picking either OG.

Please god, not Tyler Eifert. I think that's all I need to say (I don't hate him, I just like about 25 guys better).

Same with Geno Smith near the top of the first -- blah. He's worse in every respect than an RG3 type, and doesn't really seem to be a good fit for a deep-ball offense like ours. I'm not sure if we need to go QB this year, but if so, I think the value picks are Landry Jones around the late 3rd/early 4th, or Tyler Bray in the 4th. I wouldn't mind EJ Manuel in a mid-second tradeup.
Posted By: ddubia Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 06:53 AM
'Twas the Night before Draft-mas...


By Mike Krupka
OBR Contributing Writer
Posted Apr 24, 2013



These are the 9 picks. . . That I would write long letters about to Joe, Chud, Ray and “Mick”!

4 Comments

1. Dion Jordan: Dion Jordan is my “Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!” And yes he’s still my most coveted player even if I shoot my eye out!

He is what I consider a Type B player: Exceptional Physical Talent - Dion will be a starter in his first season and reach Pro Bowl status when fully developed; he has rare athletic ability and position skills; is a top 5 - 10 selection; but his college circumstances/system limited his production in that he wasn’t asked to focus on rushing the passer and was used often in coverage schemes.

At 6'6", 248 pounds, there's no doubt the potential and the talent that exist within Dion Jordan. I think he is the best OLB prospect in the class due to his versatility. His athleticism, speed, fluidity in space and ability to cover the TE or WR in the slot (and dominate them) will be hard for the Browns to resist if he’s available at #6.

Consider also that Jordan is only in his 2nd season as a pass rushing DE --- similar to the short learning curve of Ziggy Ansah. Jordan’s roots are as a wide receiver and this skill set and understanding extend itself in coverage packages against opposing WR or TE. His length, speed, and explosion allow him to rush the passer whiling gaining the edge better than any prospect this year.

Jordan has a relentless motor and he's always flying to the ball, even 20 or 30 yards downfield. He has extremely active hands and has shown a good spin and swim move, which will provide a strong base skill set to build from at the next level. He really can do it all and in the type of scheme defensive coach Ray Horton wants to execute, Jordan could quickly reach Pro Bowl levels and give opposing offensive coordinators and head coaches’ nightmares.

2. Barkevious Mingo: I am banking on Dion Jordan being gone by the time the Browns first round “present” is delivered at #6 so I go directly down my Wish List and find a player who will make the opposing QBs say “FUDGE” - Barkevious Mingo.

He is also what I consider a Type B player: Exceptional Physical Talent – Barkevious will be a starter in his first season and reach Pro Bowl status when fully developed; has rare athletic ability and position skills; is a top 5 - 10 selection; but his college circumstances/system limited his production in that he was asked to play contain most the time and only really being unleashed in the bowl game vs. Clemson.

Mingo has the skill set and athletic qualities to be a dominating pass rusher at the next level. He has a good stock of pass rush moves that he will be able to develop and strengthen. Mingo does a good job of disrupting passing lanes when he is unable to get to the QB. He shows good hand usage but will need to develop better technique.

His burst off the line is elite and is undoubtedly the best in this class. In terms of pure pass rusher ability, I believe Mingo is the best prospect in the draft. Where he doesn’t get credit is that he can move in space nearly as fluidly and quickly as Dion Jordan and while I am not one to put my stock in a players’ combine metrics, his do tell this story. The reason his production numbers were low was because he was never asked to just rush the passer, rather play “robber” most the time.

3. Tavon Austin: If I can’t get my “Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle”, I at least want to get some high octane fuel to make Norv Turner’s sleigh fly!

Austin’s speed and explosion jump off the tape and scream “instant mismatch” and “game changer”. I currently have him rated as my third highest player, taking a small recent jump up from the number four spot in my Browns specific board. In a recent discussion with my brother, Robert Krupka, he was also high on Austin: “Lots of teams would love to add that type of weapon and I think the 49ers might be trying to get ahead of the Rams to grab him.”

I consider him a Type C & I Player: Physically Deficient Star / Speed Player – He is similar to a Type B in that he will be a starter in his first season and reach Pro Bowl status when fully developed; has rare athletic ability and position skills; is a top 5 - 10 selection; while his size is a deficiency, his production and abilities help him overcome that and his final grade cannot exceed his physical grade.

Many sources have confirmed the Browns would be open to discussing and exploring trade talks for the #6 pick. I wouldn’t even need to if he was the player I wanted, as I would be fine if they picked him at #6 but Joe Banner has stated that in the event they trade back, he would want fair market value for the swap and the confidence that the total value they would add would be greater than that of the pick lost. Adding Austin helps that trade equation considerably, we would need to ensure we only drop back slightly, because he could literally and figuratively be gone!

Tavon Austin is electric with the ball in his hands and is an offensive coordinators dream. He can be used all over the field and instantly creates speed and coverage mismatches for defenses. Slot, X, Z, motion, pistol, reverse, bubble screen, pitch out, direct snap, option, hand off, slant, curl, post, out or "Hail-Mary"… the combination of Austin's versatility and speed with Trent Richardson's thunder is beyond exciting to consider.

4. Jonathan Cyprien: If The Red Ryder Bee-bee gun is Ralphie’s ultimate present, Jonathan Cyprien is the old man’s leg lamp.

I consider Cyprien a Type D Player: Pro Bowl Player – He has all the same components as a Type B player like Jordan and Mingo, but his athletic abilities are “only” near theirs. Cyprien will be drafted and be a starter in this league. As soon as first started to watch his film I had a feeling like I was watching a special talent.

I feel Cyprien has the ability to play either safety spot, showing the range, instincts, anticipation, hard hitting, and ball hawking ability to roam the secondary if needed and cause opposing QB’s and WR’s to wake up late at night sweating, a la the current Dwane Wade vs Kevin Durant Gatorade commercial. After further review, I have him back where I originally slotted him, as my highest safety in this draft class for the Browns. I would be beyond ecstatic if somehow we could land him via a trade back in the second round.

For me it would be like finding that stocking stuffer that you totally passed up in the morning, only to be reminded that it was there and not to forget about it; diving in and being overwhelmingly surprised and elated.

5. Robert Alford: If I were the Bumpuses’ dogs, Alford would be my figurative turkey, the object I would do anything to get, even if I have to wait for a while for the perfect opening to do so.

I firmly believe that when I watch the type for Alford that I am watching a future Type D Player: Pro Bowl Player – Alford owns all the same skills as a Type B player, but his athletic abilities and production are “only” near theirs. He’s a top 5 CB on my board and I would be thrilled with him in the 2nd round in a trade back where Cyprien was already off the board or somehow in the 3rd round. He would be what I consider an instant starter opposite Joe Haden and would give our defense the second corner back we need at an excellent value.

He is strong. Like really strong for a defensive back, tossing up 17 reps at the combine – and it shows on film consistently in his ability to play press coverage; consistently jam WR at the LOS; or beat blocks and find the play. He is very fluid and has a great back pedal with smooth, quick footwork. His hips are loose and he can flip them and run very well. His speed and explosiveness show up on film and helped him make up any lost space. His 4.39 second 40 yard dash at the combine only confirmed what I saw on the tape: he’s very fast. He also impressed with a 132” broad jump showing his explosiveness, as well as a 40” vertical. It’s those athletic qualities that I saw in him while watching him defend the pass and break up plays, and snag 4 INT’s this season.

We’ve all been bad here and there, but another lump of coal? Please spare me these picks!

1. Dee Milliner: Please no, not at six! I would rather sit there with a red bar of soap in my mouth for the entire offseason. At six, this pick would make me say “FUDGE!”

I consider Dee Milliner to be a Type D Player: Pro Bowl Player – He has all the same components as a Type B player, but his athletic abilities are “only” near theirs. Meaning that while he may be the best cornerback in his class, he is not elite. Many fans will take this that I don’t feel he will be good or that I don’t feel the Browns need a starting cornerback. These are both false.

I don’t see the value in drafting a Type D cornerback with the sixth overall pick when I feel confident that I can find a similar type player in the second or third rounds. Meaning, I feel that I can find the Browns a starting #2 cornerback at a better value and not spend the sixth overall pick on a similar player.

Watching Milliner’s film was fun. The kid can play and is fast. However, he seems to struggle catching the ball and missed several interceptions during game play, which also showed up in his field drills at the combine. He was never asked to back pedal, which could expose him early and often at the next level. He also tends to dive at ball carriers instead of breaking down and tackling with technique.

2. Ryan Mallett: This is like a completely different movie, a completely dumb movie, in fact this is the type of movie you get up and walk out on.

I consider Mallett a Type E player: An Under-Achiever – A player that is usually attractive to teams due to his physical abilities but lacks overall competitiveness; is usually a coach killer; “buyer beware” and “boom or bust” player. May have mental lapses in concentration or have off the field concerns as well.

If we are associated with Mallett’s name on draft day, and he ends up as a Brown, this means that we undoubtedly had to forfeit considerable assets to do so. I dislike this idea tremendously given how he grades out. This also means that Weeden likely won’t get a fair shot to start in a new system that fits his style and strengths. That means the Browns would have wasted a first round pick on Weeden and then wasted assets and / or picks in the trade for Mallett, ultimately netting the Browns 2 similar players.

Give Weeden a year with Norv Turner. If he doesn’t perform this year, go all in next year on your franchise guy, whoever that is.

Yeah, it’s ok to say it. . . what a lump of coal!

3. Jarvis Jones: Jarvis Jones is like Scut Farkus. He appears to be tough but deep down he’s nothing like you think he is.

I consider Jarvis Jones to be a Type D Player: Pro Bowl Player – He has all the same components as a Type B player, but his athletic abilities are “only” near theirs but there is a medical concern. Meaning that while he may be among the best linebackers in his class, he is not elite by any means.

The most important reason I do not want to consider Jarvis Jones with the sixth pick is because of his medical concerns. Say what you want, but the most medical grade are from team doctors and we will soon see if their concerns impact where he lands.

The next reason why I want nothing to do with Jarvis Jones because I do not think he fits the scheme here in Cleveland as a 3-4 OLB due to his inability and ineffectiveness to disengage from blockers. He struggled with this at Georgia and I think his production was more a function of his hustle and the scheme than it was anything else. Jones is not an elite athlete and I don’t believe he has the frame to add considerable weight to be an every-down linebacker at the next level in the 3-4 but perhaps he can find a good, productive home somewhere in a 4 -3.

4. Matt Barkley: Lastly, Matt Barkley, aka the Pink Bunny Costume. Of all things I have to find on draft day, a pink bunny costume would be pretty damn bad and outright embarrassing with the #6 pick.

I’ll keep it brief. Matt Barkley may well be a good NFL QB in time, but I just don’t see how he will overcome his physical limitations or more importantly, how he would fit into a vertical offense here in Cleveland? He is a perfect West Coast QB, a game manager, a “point guard” but not an elite talent that will lead you to the Super Bowl and help your team pick up chunks of yardage vs. NFL secondaries.

Much like several past Cleveland QB’s the intangibles are there: smart; good footwork; charismatic; huddle presence / leader; likeable; and good throwing on the run. But then you turn on the tape, you see a QB who ran a pro-style offense, with an average arm, who struggled with accuracy while essentially passing to 2 NFL WR’s and not being able to step up in the pocket consistently or avoid the pass rush using his athleticism.

In fact if we draft Matt Barkley at #6 I will wear a Pink Bunny costume and take a picture of me in it and use that picture as my new OBR avatar until next year’s draft-mas.



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Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 09:40 AM
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We better not be trading up for anybody in this draft. Period.




I agree with that, even though I LOVE Ansah...if we trade up to get him it all depends on the compensation. I could see us dangling a player like Rubin or Sheard for Ansah

Lombardi is a size/speed and projectability sucker, so Ansah makes sense and is a rare player where I'd agree with him. Still, burning a future 2nd/3rd or Rubin/Sheard for him seems like a lateral move at best, but if we really move UP, then Ansah is the only option I could at least stomach, depending on the compensation of course
Posted By: ClayM57 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 10:49 AM
Please NO Dumb moves....

Yes we need to upgrade TE but not with the # 6 pick....

Yes we need a guard but look carefully at whom you pick, does Warmack really fit Chuds philosphy on offence or does a pulling guard for screen like cooper be a better fit, Warmack is a road grader nothing bad about him but can he do what we wanna do, and do we go guard at # 6


Everybody says trade down at # 6 I'm not so sure, Scouts are saying Dee if he's there could be the next island corner, .....do we really wanna trade out of the pick and not have a chance to draft him, ? why do we want 2-3 more picks to fill holes we've been tring to fill for years and pass up on talent, maybe we stop trading for possible talent and actullay start picking talent, Yes it might be just one but atleast we got talent.....

Lets be smart...NO QB ( Unless we trade Weeden)

Biggest needs
1. CB
2. Pass Rush from LB postion
3. Guard
4. Safety
Posted By: DonCoyote Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 10:56 AM
Trading Up??? Definitely not excited about the reports of us trading up to #3. Don't want to trade up from 6. But I'm not opposed to trading-up into the 2nd or 3rd.

Banner could use some of our late-round picks (or Sheard) to get us into the late 2nd or get an add'l 3rd rounder. As long as he's not trading future picks.

If he can keep #6 and find a route to get 1 extra pick in the 60-110 range, I'd be quite pleased. especially if we land a quality FS in the process.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 11:14 AM
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I was hoping we get it wrong.




You're so cool.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 11:17 AM
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My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.




You are either setting yourself up to get mad or looking for a reason to go off on the FO. Sheesh man.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 11:26 AM
Some people like to type on a regular basis. Opinions matter; this is "pre-game" jitters chatting for the real kickoff tonight. The board vets are waiting on that to get all FO intolerant again, not so much here pre-game.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 11:51 AM
I do have a few final thoughts of my own:

--I agree w/Held that this draft class is not very good. I keep hearing about how deep it is, blah, blah, blah. But I don't see the all the value picks that were in last year's class. Last year's draft class was one of the greatest of all-time. It had star power at the top. It had multiple QBs who were really worth a top pick, it had an incredible amount of value from the middle of the first round all the way into round 4. Heck, we even got a guy like Winn after that, and I always thought he could play. This year's class doesn't have quality at the top. I do think it's good for OL and secondary help. But, I think the words that pop into my head w/almost every guy in this draft are "has question marks..."

--Heck, I think one of the safest picks in this draft is Eifert. The thing is that it would be foolish to take him that high. Perhaps in a trade down. But, there are problems w/this draft when perhaps the safest pick in the entire draft is a TE.

--If we stay at 6, I would take Milliner. My next favorite player at that spot is Jordan. I think he has a lot of question marks, though. Like I said......it seems almost all these guys do. I thought Milliner was safe, but the injury thing raises some questions.

--I am a little confused by almost everyone [posters and prognosticators] talking about how we really, really need to take an OLBer. I think we addressed that huge need for an edge rusher when we signed Kruger. I also think that Sheard could actually be more effective at rushing the QB and getting into the backfield in our new defense than he did in the 4-3. I think his lack of weight caused him to get worn down at times, as he was always going up against bigger, stronger RTs. I think standing up and being outside w/fewer run support responsibilities will free him up to make more plays.

--All of this year's OLBers scare me. They all have question marks. Legitimate question marks.

--I wonder why more people don't think we need another ILBer? I think Ogletree is a superb linebacker. He is very physical. He runs great sideline to sideline. And when he gets there, he explodes on the ball carrier. He makes good calls. He is a leader on the field. But sheesh, what a bonehead off the field? I wouldn't mind if we traded down and took this guy. I'm serious. I think he is going to be way more productive than all the guys rated higher than him.

--I really hope we trade w/SF. They have so many picks. I think they might be generous in terms of compensation. Of course, all the other teams know this, as well. But, if we trade down w/SF and get a guy like Eifert, Ogletree, or Kevin Minter and also accumulate more picks, it would be a dream come true.

--If we don't draft Milliner and especially if we get more picks, I would be very happy w/us taking Hayden, the cb from Houston. I don't think his injury --while serious at the time--will be a concern in the NFL. I like this kid's talent. Good speed and size. Good positioning.

--My final thought of this post: I am already preparing myself to try and show some patience. I know that no matter what we do, there will be a slew of guys coming on here to complain and rip the new FO. I mean.....NO MATTER WHAT WE DO!!! And to make things worse, as I mentioned earlier, you can find questions [which become complaints] about just about every freaking player in this draft. Gee, that is going to be fun.
Posted By: Arps Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 11:53 AM
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I know that no matter what we do, there will be a slew of guys coming on here to complain and rip the new FO. I mean.....NO MATTER WHAT WE DO!!!




Always.
Posted By: Attack Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:38 PM
How can I say this..this is going to be a interesting evening if the Browns get to do what they are attempting to do... interesting to find out who they are targeting..man I would love to do a mock, but I never can with tradedowns..
But secondary help is a priority ..
Posted By: Spergon FTWynn Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 12:58 PM
I don't think we trade from 6. I think we want to, but I don't think a deal for both sides is really there.

I think if Mike Lombardi and Joe Banner can hit on that first pick, people will back off a little bit on him. The media has buried these 2 before a game has even been played under their control.

I think they go pretty hard at trying to get back into the second round. I think the first way they would want to would be to trade from 6, but as I said, I don't think it happens. They may have to get creative.

I don't want to say I hate Dee Miliner, because I don't, but I only think they should take him if they are really really high on him. Not because there is a gaping hole at the position and he happens to be there. I think if you're drafting a CB in the top 10, he better be in the class of Revis, Haden, Sherman. I'm not so sure he is. He'll be a good pro but I think the dropoff to Rhodes and Taylor isn't much if any. Basically what I'm saying, go BPA with this first pick, outside of the offensive tackle position.

I'm not buying the Geno Smith talk all of a sudden. I think there's an 80% chance this pick is either Jordan or Mingo.

I like Geno Smith a lot, I don't think he's a good fit for us. I'm hoping for him he ends up in the right situation.

My dream scenario would be a trade back into the teens, where they could grab one of these primo guards, maybe Tyler Eifert, maybe a corner? Then have a 2nd round pick to boot?
Posted By: Attack Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:00 PM
They want to trade down and aquire 2 particular players. Don't buy the Geno rumors ,thats not who Chud likes..well at least not at 6...
Posted By: Flap Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:05 PM
You sound like you know something.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:12 PM
JC

One thing I gotta give Banner and Co. credit for is keeping everyone in the NFL in the dark regarding who they like or don't like. The #6 pick is a question mark for everyone and nothing of significance has left the Berea draft war room. There are tons of rumors on pretty much every player and trade situation tied to Browns. The only thing Banner said several weeks ago was saying QB is not the focus at 6. But a trade down wouldn't rule out or a QB or perhaps they've changed their minds since then (I hope not).

#6 could go in so many directions in the minds of many.
Posted By: Attack Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:12 PM
You sound like you know something.

ha..I've posted a lot of things I know since I've been on this board..I leave a tip in here a lot of times..only a few who know me well understand what I'm doing at certain times..especially draft night.

Soooo this FO wants to put it's stamp on this draft...don't buy into they're trading up..they will only do if they catch wind a team above(yes the freaking Eagles) are after their guy.
But we all know they want to trade down..it's who they are after that might surprise U..actually it's a guy I like but much later in the draft..say second round.
Posted By: Nas320 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:19 PM
Talk about contrasting drafts....McShay's last mock has Geno Smith going #6 to the Browns.

Kiper's mock doesn't even have him in the first round.

Everyone mentally prepared for Smith to go #6 tonight?

I'm going to be talking myself into it throughout the day.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:22 PM

First off I know many disagree but I believe that Geno is worth the risk at six.

Jason Campbell is a career backup. He has had many opportunities to be "the man" and has been unable to convince any coaching staff he has played under.

Brandon Weeden has stated by Mayock was a developmental quarterback who came into the league at 29.

Geno, plain and simple has more ability. Is he a risk? Of course he is a risk. But he has way more to work with than Weeden.

Even if he fails to me the Browns need to take that chance.

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Tavon Austin with the right team will be a touchdown machine.

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Dion Jordan well worth the sixth pick. Huge upside as a pass rusher.

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Ziggy overrated. Will get swallowed up by NFL linemen. One trick pony who needs to develop more moves. It will take time for him to reach potential. Have to convert to LB not worth the sixth pick.
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Dee Milliner solid pick. Productive. Not learning a new position. Well schooled. Immediate impact player.

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Do not miss on the sixth pick in the draft.
Posted By: mac Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:22 PM
jc...

Trying to look at this draft from the viewpoint of Haslam, Banner and Lombardi...knowing serious legal matters loom that could affect their future employment with the franchise...this could be the one and only draft these three individuals participate in...and I'm fairly sure each realizes that possibility...

...I look for Haslam, Banner and Lombardi to make a first round pick based on their personal emotions, trying to make the biggest splash they can, picking Geno Smith.

I hope they don't make an emotional pick, but human nature being what it is...and given the circumstances...I realize "emotion" is driving this franchise (Haslam, Banner, Lombardi) at this time.

The idea of building the team via the draft and developing the talent drafted went out the window when ownership changed.

Browns fans have seen it so many times...with each change in management and coaching comes the willingness throw away and waste draft picks made by the previous management and coaching staff...because they were not your picks.

I hope I'm wrong...I really do...but we have seen this show before.

The #1 need for the Browns is a shutdown corner... you don't get those in 3 rd round.
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:27 PM
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..actually it's a guy I like but much later in the draft..say second round.




Not sure what you know or don't know...but since I don't like many of the prospects rumored in that range, I'll probably freak out, lol

If they come away from a top 10 pick with their 1st pick being ANY of OLB Collins, TE McDonald, DE Hunt, TE Ertz or ANY OL (even though I like Warford) then we're being run by morons. If they do what you're suggesting then I hope you're talking CB Taylor, CB Banks, CB Wreh-Wilson, maybe FS Swearinger or FS Cyprien, but that would be buying high on both imho
Posted By: Attack Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:35 PM
What they want to do and will be able to do are two different things..they WANT secondary help in a tradedown..but they want something else too.
If I am able to do a mock later it might give a glance about it.
Posted By: CapCity Dawg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:41 PM
I would like to see that ...
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:49 PM
Me too.
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:50 PM
jc

FYI, NFL Network will have a report from the Browns war room in a couple of minutes
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 01:57 PM
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jc

FYI, NFL Network will have a report from the Browns war room in a couple of minutes





Thanks...
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:07 PM
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jc

FYI, NFL Network will have a report from the Browns war room in a couple of minutes





Thanks...




For all who missed it or couldn't see it: Solomon Wilcotts was a asked a couple of questions. They talked about the possible trade for Bess making sense consider ing our "size/speed" WRs on the roster. Bess would be a "chain mover"

As for the draft, he said that he's hearing we won't necessarily go top need in the 1st (DB), but BPA instead, be it OL, DL, QB or pass rusher: He was speculating that we'd look at either G.Smith or EJ Manuel in a tradedown scenario.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:16 PM
JC

A real good video interview with Joe Banner.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...ff-492718686c19
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:33 PM
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JC

A real good video interview with Joe Banner.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...ff-492718686c19





at around the 3:25 mark he says there are no super star QB's a, obvious top picks PASS RUSHERS or big type recivers calvin johnson that are conspicious and exciting.

I guess we can cross every pass rusher anyone thought we would get at 6 off the list.

he said QB is no question the most important position in the NFL

this is a really good video.

thank you for sharing!
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:36 PM
He also said fans may be upset if we don't take players at perceived holes, rather focusing on the long-term than short term holes (paraphrasing)

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines but think he could be alluding to the CB position at number six and the Browns more value at LB, QB, DL and other spots instead.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:42 PM
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He also said fans may be upset if we don't take players at perceived holes, rather focusing on the long-term than short term holes (paraphrasing)

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines but think he could be alluding to the CB position at number six and the Browns more value at LB, QB, DL and other spots instead.




considering he said the there are no superstar QB's... we can cross that off the list and DL (pass rushers)

maybe we draft an OL at 6.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:49 PM
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He also said fans may be upset if we don't take players at perceived holes, rather focusing on the long-term than short term holes (paraphrasing)

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines but think he could be alluding to the CB position at number six and the Browns more value at LB, QB, DL and other spots instead.




considering he said the there are no superstar QB's... we can cross that off the list and DL (pass rushers)

maybe we draft an OL at 6.




Normally, I'd say that it'd be freaking insane to draft an OG at #6 overall, but, with the new rookie wage caps in place, it's not ridiculous at all, IMO, to do that.
The craziness is that it'd give us one seriously high overall investment level in the OL (Thomas, Mack, <rookie>, Schwartz).
Posted By: Browns_Lonewolf Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 02:59 PM
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He also said fans may be upset if we don't take players at perceived holes, rather focusing on the long-term than short term holes (paraphrasing)

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines but think he could be alluding to the CB position at number six and the Browns more value at LB, QB, DL and other spots instead.




considering he said the there are no superstar QB's... we can cross that off the list and DL (pass rushers)

maybe we draft an OL at 6.




Normally, I'd say that it'd be freaking insane to draft an OG at #6 overall, but, with the new rookie wage caps in place, it's not ridiculous at all, IMO, to do that.
The craziness is that it'd give us one seriously high overall investment level in the OL (Thomas, Mack, <rookie>, Schwartz).




Call me crazy but my take from that interview is that this FO mind set is staight up BPA no mater what, and everything is in play regarding tradeing down or staying put. Personnally I would be quite happy with that.

Go Browns FO pick it right tonight!

No picks

Otherwise we fans will be for another season
Posted By: Paco Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:10 PM
Scenarios
1. Milliner @ 6
2. If Milliner is gone, Picking up Jordan/Jones will give us leverage and I can see Sheard being traded for a 2nd. This I'm ok with.
3. Milliner and whichever OLB we are eyeing is gone... trade down mid round take next top CB. If we also trading Sheard I can see us going Warmack.


Absolutely dont want these players whatsoever....HoneyBadger, Mingo(not in the first/overrated/undersized/cantshed), Barkley, Keenan Allen(Robiskie but less talented) Geno Smith (not in the first), Landry Jones(anywhere), Ansah@6(Dont like the raw talented guy in top10/top10 is for surefire studs)

Guys I absolutely want and where:
Milliner(cb1), Vaccaro(s2), Warmack(g1), Barrett Jones(o-line late1/2nd), Eifert(telate1/2), Rambo (s3), D.Rhodes(cbmid1), Robert Woods(wr2), John Simon(de/olb 2late/3), Jake Stoneburner(te4), Zach Boren(fb5), Tyler Bray(qblate4/5), EJ Mannual(qb3/if we have another 3rd) Michael Muati(lb,late3/4)

If we get half these players in the draft I would call it a successful draft. It feels some needs and brings talent to the the team.
Posted By: 1oldMutt Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:22 PM
I'm looking for the Phins to make a big push for Lane Johnson. We may be too late but if not I want to bend them over the woodpile! Their first, Bess and a second for starters?

Look for a pileup to get the big three LT's.

Should be fun!
Posted By: anarchy2day Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:51 PM
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But we all know they want to trade down..it's who they are after that might surprise U..actually it's a guy I like but much later in the draft..say second round.




If they traded back and got a second rounder from say, San Diego or Miami (don't put any stock in the Albert deal going through) and then trading back again to San Francisco and getting a player like Margus Hunt late in the first round but getting #31, #34 and #61 in return. Going from having no 2nd rounders to having 3 of them (including the one from either San Diego or Miami). That would be some kind of draft movement.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 04:55 PM
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Scenarios
1. Milliner @ 6
2. If Milliner is gone, Picking up Jordan/Jones will give us leverage and I can see Sheard being traded for a 2nd. This I'm ok with.
3. Milliner and whichever OLB we are eyeing is gone... trade down mid round take next top CB. If we also trading Sheard I can see us going Warmack.


Absolutely dont want these players whatsoever....HoneyBadger, Mingo(not in the first/overrated/undersized/cantshed), Barkley, Keenan Allen(Robiskie but less talented) Geno Smith (not in the first), Landry Jones(anywhere), [Email]Ansah@6(Dont[/Email] like the raw talented guy in top10/top10 is for surefire studs)

Guys I absolutely want and where:
Milliner(cb1), Vaccaro(s2), Warmack(g1), Barrett Jones(o-line late1/2nd), Eifert(telate1/2), Rambo (s3), D.Rhodes(cbmid1), Robert Woods(wr2), John Simon(de/olb 2late/3), Jake Stoneburner(te4), Zach Boren(fb5), Tyler Bray(qblate4/5), EJ Mannual(qb3/if we have another 3rd) Michael Muati(lb,late3/4)

If we get half these players in the draft I would call it a successful draft. It feels some needs and brings talent to the the team.



Nice rundown. I agree 100%........
Posted By: Fox&Hound7 Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:01 PM
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My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.




You are either setting yourself up to get mad or looking for a reason to go off on the FO. Sheesh man.




People often mistake anger with rational hoping. I'm willing to give this FO a chance. I'm not asking for so much. I'm fine with the combo of Banner/Lombardi.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:03 PM
I already forgot, what is our head coaches name???
Is it Chuzdwanksty? ....Bahahahahahahaaaaaaaa........
Posted By: PastorMarc Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:05 PM
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My final draft thoughts:

1) If we don't get a 2nd Round pick via trade, then I'm automatically dropping the grade of our overall draft. Our FO has to know that we need help and just sitting on our picks as it is between #6 and #68 is unacceptable.

2) Avoid drafting a QB in the 1st and 2nd Rounds. This isn't a money issue to me. This is about talent. If we waste a a 1st/2nd on a QB then I'm automatically dropping the overall draft grade. We have to build around the QB first and we have to strengthen the D.

3) Make that reasonable splash via trade. Shock the football world (in a good way) and make BSPN po'd.

4) Just get it right. I agree with the OP.




You are either setting yourself up to get mad or looking for a reason to go off on the FO. Sheesh man.




People often mistake anger with rational hoping. I'm willing to give this FO a chance. I'm not asking for so much. I'm fine with the combo of Banner/Lombardi.




Lets just hope they pass test #1 ...
Posted By: Spergon FTWynn Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:07 PM
his name is Ron Trzcinski, he also owns The Mattress Factory.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:09 PM
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his name is Ron Trzcinski, he also owns The Mattress Factory.



LOL!...Sumthin like that..... Expect 5-11 seasons. Live it. Love it. Learn it.
Posted By: Lyuokdea Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 05:54 PM
I think my Browns big board would look like this:

1.) Ezekial Ansah, DE/OLB, BYU
2.) Star Loutulelei, DT, Utah
3.) Luke Loeckel, OT, Texas A&M
4.) Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
5.) Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
6.) Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
7.) Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon
8.) Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
9.) Jonathan Cooper, OG, UNC
10.) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
11.) Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia (** Depends on what the doctors have said)

A few notes:
1.) I don't think I'd trade up for anybody, maybe Ansah if we were trading to 5 and it was cheap.
2.) I really like Loutulelei, but we'd have to find a trading partner for Rubin
3.) Since the contract is based entirely on where you are drafted (not position), I think you get a better OL if you take one of the top three OTs and put them at RT (and then slide over Schwartz to LG) than you would get if you drafted either of the top OGs
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Final Draft Thoughts - 04/25/13 06:25 PM
Are there any guys in the first round with a law degree? The Browns could *really* use a guy like that.
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