President Donald Trump has jumped back into the swamp of conspiracy theories with another attack on his predecessor Barack Obama. This time, his charge is particularly explosive: accusing Obama of ordering wiretaps of Trump's phones during the 2016 campaign. A spokesman for Obama said the charge that Obama ordered surveillance of Trump is "simply false," and Trump provided no evidence to back up his allegation.
In a related development, FBI Director James Comey asked the Justice Department to publicly reject Trump's claim that Obama ordered the tapping of Trump's phones, according to the New York Times. Comey says the claim should be corrected because it suggests falsely that the FBI broke the law by conducting illegal wiretaps. RELATED CONTENT President Donald Trump delivers his address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2017. The Enemy Within
If true, Trump's charges would be a bombshell. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who has been a Trump critic, says it would be the biggest scandal since Watergate, which toppled President Richard Nixon in 1974.
Sen. Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican who also has been a critic of Trump, said the president owes the public an explanation. Sasse called the current political environment a "civilization-warping crisis of public trust" intensified by Trump. Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said Trump had made a "spectacularly reckless allegation" against Obama without offering evidence.
What caused the uproar were two Trump tweets on Saturday that Obama had orchestrated a plot against him. Trump wrote: "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" His remark was a reference to Wisconsin Sen. Joe McCarthy's often baseless accusations in his attempt to find and remove communists from the government in the 1950s.
WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:
* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin; * Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone; * Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception; * Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu; * Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed); * Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers; * Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and * Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.
In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:
* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked. * Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.” * Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.
Obama is no stranger to wire tapping. His administration tapped phones and computers of friends and foe alike.
WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:
* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin; * Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone; * Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception; * Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu; * Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed); * Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers; * Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and * Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.
In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:
* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked. * Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.” * Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.
Obama is no stranger to wire tapping. His administration tapped phones and computers of friends and foe alike.
Yeah. This type of thing has never happened.
Yes, Trump is a lunatic... and i'd like to see some proof on all these..
Otherwise, it's a wishlist of what Trump would like you to think
Trump says he was wiretapped by the Obama administration as reported by some media outlets. He wants Congress to investigate this matter.
I notice all the usual suspects have come out to say its a lie. The usual MSM has jumped to Obama's defense. Nice to see them acting like reporters again, asking questions and not just accepting that Obama is guilty like they do on any story that comes out about Trump.
The President says he has nothing else to say about it as it is in the hands of Congress now.
So, where is the evidence?
-We had everyone here and across America say at one time or another that Comey was a political hack and a confused jerk.
-We have the former head of Obama's NSA come out and say there were zero wiretaps while he was in office. This is the same guy who told us to our faces on national tv that the NSA was not monitoring private Americans email, texts, and other conversations which turned out to be a lie.
-We have Obama's IRS saying they did not stop Conservative groups from organizing during the 2012 election, destroying internal emails while lying to the public and Congress.
-Recently we found out Obama had a secret slush fund, hidden in the DOD budget where he could and did secretly disperse $3 Billion to Liberal/Progressive protest groups across the Nation.
So to me this is mostly circumstantial evidence of corruption but it certainly shows WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS OFTEN FIRE!!!
Trump has that heat on his ass with the Russian connection, got two people fired already, his AG had to take a step back, and the reports that he went off on his staff.
Gotta find a way to take the heat off a bit. His solution: start making up things on Twitter!!!
Proof? Do some reading. All the instances in the article have already been proven. The media even when ape when they were found to have tapped James Rosen, even though he was with Fox News.
Trump says he was wiretapped by the Obama administration as reported by some media outlets. He wants Congress to investigate this matter.
Levin said it on his radio show on Thursday, Brietbart picked it up..
I notice all the usual suspects have come out to say its a lie. I assume your talking about Clapper and Coumy right?
The usual MSM has jumped to Obama's defense. Nice to see them acting like reporters again, asking questions and not just accepting that Obama is guilty like they do on any story that comes out about Trump. Yes, just about every media outlet has jumped on Trump because nobody, not even the intel community is saying it's credible. Trump did this to distract from the Russia thing.
The President says he has nothing else to say about it as it is in the hands of Congress now.
He's running a hiding.. as usual, he's a baby.
So, where is the evidence? Time will tell, but thus far, there isn't any
-We had everyone here and across America say at one time or another that Comey was a political hack and a confused jerk.I think he is as well.
-We have the former head of Obama's NSA come out and say there were zero wiretaps while he was in office. This is the same guy who told us to our faces on national tv that the NSA was not monitoring private Americans email, texts, and other conversations which turned out to be a lie.
I assume you are talking about Clapper. He didn't say there weren't any wiretaps. What he said was there weren't any wire taps on the Candidate trump or the president elect Trump.
-We have Obama's IRS saying they did not stop Conservative groups from organizing during the 2012 election, destroying internal emails while lying to the public and Congress.
-Recently we found out Obama had a secret slush fund, hidden in the DOD budget where he could and did secretly disperse $3 Billion to Liberal/Progressive protest groups across the Nation.
So to me this is mostly circumstantial evidence of corruption but it certainly shows WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS OFTEN FIRE!!!
Proof? Do some reading. All the instances in the article have already been proven. The media even when ape when they were found to have tapped James Rosen, even though he was with Fox News.
Well there is it,, FOX news... I don't buy what FOX, MSNBC say ever. EVER.
Proof? Do some reading. All the instances in the article have already been proven. The media even when ape when they were found to have tapped James Rosen, even though he was with Fox News.
Well there is it,, FOX news... I don't buy what FOX, MSNBC say ever. EVER.
And you don't read either. Staying willfully ignorant because it suits your political views is a bad way to live. The article on Rosen was reported in the New York Times, and they went batty over it. It seems they believe that wiretapping journalists is a huge 1st Amendment problem, even when it is someone from Fox. Do you believe the NYTs? You may as well stick your head in the sand, put your butt up, and let the government have their way with you.
Proof? Do some reading. All the instances in the article have already been proven. The media even when ape when they were found to have tapped James Rosen, even though he was with Fox News.
Well there is it,, FOX news... I don't buy what FOX, MSNBC say ever. EVER.
And you don't read either. Staying willfully ignorant because it suits your political views is a bad way to live. The article on Rosen was reported in the New York Times, and they went batty over it. It seems they believe that wiretapping journalists is a huge 1st Amendment problem, even when it is someone from Fox. Do you believe the NYTs? You may as well stick your head in the sand, put your butt up, and let the government have their way with you.
This coming from an Guy who thinks climate change is a hoax.
The only people with their head in the sand is you and the rest of the trump supporters.
You can get butt hurt at a shot all you want. I'm sure you aren't the only person who's gonna attempt to make this about me.
But the reality doesn't change with regards to you being blindly led by whatever trump is saying. It doesn't change the fact that you got played and don't know how to handle it. It doesn't change the fact that you yourself are a hypocrite, as you cried and whined and threw hissy fits about hillary's alleged lies, yet come out of nowhere to defend Trumps blatant ass lies, for no other reason than you hate obama.
So cry about what I called you all you want, at the end of the day, you got played by trump, and you're acting like somebody with Stockholm syndrome.
Your president is a draft dodging, no taxes paying, sexual assaulting, child raping, lying ass Russian puppet. And you support that. So it says a lot more about you than it does about me and my insult toward you.
Birds of a feather flock together, after all.
Yes, I just called you a bird. Get offended over that, too, snowflake.
Proof? Do some reading. All the instances in the article have already been proven. The media even when ape when they were found to have tapped James Rosen, even though he was with Fox News.
Well there is it,, FOX news... I don't buy what FOX, MSNBC say ever. EVER.
And you don't read either. Staying willfully ignorant because it suits your political views is a bad way to live. The article on Rosen was reported in the New York Times, and they went batty over it. It seems they believe that wiretapping journalists is a huge 1st Amendment problem, even when it is someone from Fox. Do you believe the NYTs? You may as well stick your head in the sand, put your butt up, and let the government have their way with you.
I don't read... Yes of course, I don't agree with you so it must be my problem, not the problem of a nutbag president.
Clever....
Now, tell me where the proof is about wire taps on trump tower?
As Washington continues to reel from President Trump’s evidence-free assertion that his phones were wiretapped by former President Barack Obama before the election, former Central Intelligence Agency director Michael Hayden says it seems Trump forgot something during his weekend Twitter flurry.
“It looks as if the president just for a moment forgot that he was president,” Hayden said on Fox News on Monday. “Why didn’t he simply use the powers of the presidency to ask the acting director of national intelligence, the head of the FBI, to confirm or deny the story he apparently read from Breitbart the evening before?”
Hayden, a critic of Trump during the campaign, has served in national security roles in both Democratic and Republican administrations. In addition to the top job at the CIA, he has served as director of the National Security Agency and as principal deputy director of national intelligence.
On Saturday morning, Trump unleashed a series of tweets claiming Obama had wiretapped the phones at Trump Tower prior to the 2016 election. Trump provided no citations to back up the claim, and a spokesman for the former president branded the accusation “simply false.”
Related: Without evidence, Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower
“Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” he declared from his Mar-a-Lago resort in West Palm Beach, Fla., where Trump once again spent the weekend.
“Is it legal for a sitting President to be ‘wire tapping’ a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!” he added.
It wasn’t clear what, exactly, Trump was referring to as he raged against his predecessor, whom he labeled a “bad (or sick) guy!” And the White House did not clarify from whom Trump had “just learned” this new information.
But a report published Friday by Breitbart News quoted conservative radio host Mark Levin, who outlined the alleged steps the Obama took “in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.” The Washington Post reported that the Breitbart article had been passed around in the White House ahead of Trump’s tweets.
Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist in the White House, is a former chief executive of Breitbart.
Sunday Shows react to Trump Allegations
The Sunday political shows tackled President Trump's explosive allegations about President Obama. White House press secretary Sean Spicer issued a subsequent statement on Sunday saying that “reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling,” and that Trump is asking Congress to investigate.
“President Donald J. Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016,” the statement read. “Neither the White House nor the president will comment further until such oversight is conducted.”
On NBC’s “Meet the Press,” former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper categorically denied any suggestion that communications at Trump Tower were wiretapped before the election.
“There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign,” Clapper said.
When asked by host Chuck Todd whether he could confirm or deny if a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act order (or FISA) for such wiretapping existed, Clapper declared, “I can deny it.”
Also read: Trump’s evidence-free wiretap allegation dominates Sunday talk shows
And according to the New York Times, FBI Director James Comey asked the Justice Department to publicly reject Trump’s assertion.
“Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected,” the paper said Sunday, citing “senior American officials” as its source.
Hayden said it’s absurd to think Obama would have been involved in ordering surveillance on Trump Tower.
“After the mid 1970s the authority was taken away from the president,” he said. “The only way you get there, if you get there at all, is [through] a judge. He has to have probable cause.”
The judge, Hayden explained, could then issue a warrant to the FBI under FISA.
Hayden also said it would be “unprecedented” for such an order to be released to the public, but then again, stranger things have already happened under President Trump.
“We’re off the map here,” Hayden said. “We are in unprecedented territory as well. So perhaps at some point in order to set the record straight we may do something unusual.”
White House defends wiretapping allegations on morning shows
Members of President Trump’s team appeared on several morning news shows Monday to defend his wiretapping accusations against President Obama, which he posted to Twitter over the weekend. On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the former spy chief said he believes Trump’s tweeted wiretapping claim was strategic.
“He’s trying to detract attention from what was a very, very bad news cycle,” Hayden said. “The president of the United States put his reputation, the reputation of his predecessor, and the reputation of this nation at risk to get at least a ‘draw’ out of the next 24 hours.”
But host Joe Scarborough isn’t convinced there’s a method to Trump’s Twitter madness.
“His tweets this weekend suggest the president is not crazy like a fox. Just crazy,” Scarborough tweeted.
“Trump’s tweets are not an attempt to deflect,” he added. “They are a product of having no impulse control.”
Whether or not he is a full blown lunatic will be determined based on whether there is any credibility to this incredibly serious charge he has thrown out there.
With that said, this isn't something you announce on twitter.. this isn't announcing Kim and Kanye's divorce, this is, if true, the single biggest political shake-up since Watergate.. and he threw it out there on Twitter... He has got to stop doing that.
Trump's a textbook and highly successful narcissist. With him as president? It's like opening up the National Enquirer every morning, reading about him in the news. Still, I'll give him his chance. I'll give him this much: He's never boring!
Whether or not he is a full blown lunatic will be determined based on whether there is any credibility to this incredibly serious charge he has thrown out there.
With that said, this isn't something you announce on twitter.. this isn't announcing Kim and Kanye's divorce, this is, if true, the single biggest political shake-up since Watergate.. and he threw it out there on Twitter... He has got to stop doing that.
It's only a big shakeup if its true AND if it was warrantless. If it followed due process, there's nothing to see here beyond what were they investigating Trump for...
Your liberal side has mislead you again and you are not seeing clearly what he is up to with this.
Please enlighten me then... because it looks like a giant diversion to focus attention away from other stuff that's going on.
I won't, not yet. I will not be the leaker here, give it a few more days. You are an intelligent person, take a look at the whole thing and think it thru. You will see it. To me its like dear old Dad is alive and well and about 3 days ahead of everyone else.
On a very serious subject...Trump is at risk of having his ability to carry out the duties of commander in chief, QUESTIONED.
Could Trump lose authority over the nuclear football? I'm not sure we have ever had a President's fitness as CIC questioned, so there is not a precedent that I'm aware of.
I don't believe Trump fully understands what is at stake if he continues to make questionable claims.
...bottom line, we don't want a nut starting a nuclear war.
But you have to be worried about the amount of money he owes to foreigners. 650 million, is that all to Russians? Or spread throughout Europe?
I know if you owed too much money, or had too much debt, sometimes you couldn't even get a security clearance because of the risk of you selling information.
Since when does this President listen to "fake news". I like how the article points out that Trump "forgot he was President" as he has the best tools in the world available to him at ANY given moment.
Come on, this is a total BS strategy by the White House and anyone can smell it a mile away.
Whether or not he is a full blown lunatic will be determined based on whether there is any credibility to this incredibly serious charge he has thrown out there.
With that said, this isn't something you announce on twitter.. this isn't announcing Kim and Kanye's divorce, this is, if true, the single biggest political shake-up since Watergate.. and he threw it out there on Twitter... He has got to stop doing that.
It's only a big shakeup if its true AND if it was warrantless. If it followed due process, there's nothing to see here beyond what were they investigating Trump for...
I disagree. If it is investigated and shown that there is nothing there, then Trump, the sitting President, just accused the former President of some very serious crimes without merit. No matter what the outcome of this is, it's going to be YUUUUUGE!!!!
Trump already has zero credibility with a lot of the American people, if he slung some baseless accusation of a very serious crime against the former President, he will have even less with those who are still trying to hang in there and support him. If he just made that up, the only supporters he has left will be the ones that just can't get over their hatred for Obama.
Since when does this President listen to "fake news". I like how the article points out that Trump "forgot he was President" as he has the best tools in the world available to him at ANY given moment.
Come on, this is a total BS strategy by the White House and anyone can smell it a mile away.
Not me, I paint houses for a living and it's ruined my sense of smell.
Republican lawmakers want more information from President Trump following his unsubstantiated allegations that former President Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower during the 2016 election.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a member of the Senate intelligence committee that is currently investigating Trump’s team’s ties to Russia, said Sunday during a “Meet The Press” interview that he has seen “no evidence” to support Trump’s claims that were laid out in a series of tweets early Saturday morning.
“I’d imagine the President and the White House in the days to come will outline further what was behind that accusation,” Rubio said. “The President put that out there, and now the White House will have to answer as to exactly what he was referring to.”
And while many prominent Republicans have not addressed the topic, a few others joined Rubio in asking the President to release more information regarding his allegations, which Trump likened in a tweet to “Nixon/Watergate.”
“It would be more helpful if he turned over to the intelligence committee any evidence he has,” Maine Sen. Susan Collins, who is also a member of the Senate intelligence committee, said Sunday on CBS’s Face the Nation.
Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton echoed his colleagues during an interview on Fox News Sunday. “It doesn’t mean that none of these things have happened, just means I haven’t seen them yet,” he said.
Trump has not clarified the source of his information, but many have pointed to a Brietbart News story that was broadcast Friday about the FBI obtaining warrants to monitor his campaign as part of an investigation into its alleged Russian ties.
Press Secretary Sean Spicer called on Congress to conduct a probe and called the news “very troubling” in a statement Sunday.
House Intelligence chairman Devin Nunes said on Sunday that his panel will include Trump’s allegations into his current investigation of Russia meddling in the 2016 election. The committee “will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party’s campaign officials or surrogates,” Nunes said in a statement.
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This dude literally lied just so he could take the heat off the Russia scandal that's brewing.
TRUMP already said he has nothing more to say on the subject, it is now in the hands of Congress to investigate so little Rubio can shut up and do his job.
TRUMP already said he has nothing more to say on the subject, it is now in the hands of Congress to investigate so little Rubio can shut up and do his job.
of course he has nothing more to say. that's typically what happens when you lie through your teeth.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
He has turned it over to Congress to investigate, TRUMP does not have time to investigate things, he RUNS things.
Who knows what other things Congress may find about Obama while they investigate this. You Liberals won't believe anything TRUMP says anyway but you will finally listen when Congress drags Obama before its body to testify in cuffs.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
He has turned it over to Congress to investigate, TRUMP does not have time to investigate things, he RUNS things.
Who knows what other things Congress may find about Obama while they investigate this. You Liberals won't believe anything TRUMP says anyway but you will finally listen when Congress drags Obama before its body to testify in cuffs.
But what is there to investigate? Declassify the record if an investigation has occurred. It's pretty simple.
Since when does this President listen to "fake news". I like how the article points out that Trump "forgot he was President" as he has the best tools in the world available to him at ANY given moment.
Come on, this is a total BS strategy by the White House and anyone can smell it a mile away.
Not me, I paint houses for a living and it's ruined my sense of smell.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
He has turned it over to Congress to investigate, TRUMP does not have time to investigate things, he RUNS things.
Who knows what other things Congress may find about Obama while they investigate this. You Liberals won't believe anything TRUMP says anyway but you will finally listen when Congress drags Obama before its body to testify in cuffs.
But what is there to investigate? Declassify the record if an investigation has occurred. It's pretty simple.
No no no, that is not the way Washington works. You should know that. If it worked like you say, Hillary would have been behind bars during the election.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
He has turned it over to Congress to investigate, TRUMP does not have time to investigate things, he RUNS things.
Who knows what other things Congress may find about Obama while they investigate this. You Liberals won't believe anything TRUMP says anyway but you will finally listen when Congress drags Obama before its body to testify in cuffs.
But what is there to investigate? Declassify the record if an investigation has occurred. It's pretty simple.
No no no, that is not the way Washington works. You should know that. If it worked like you say, Hillary would have been behind bars during the election.
What's their to investigate? Are you telling me the President of the United States cannot access a file on himself? As President he can go one step further. He can declassify his record and show America that the Government was spying on him and that he did no wrong. He could do this in 5 minutes. 3 if he has a pen on him. Again, this is just looking like more fake news.
He has turned it over to Congress to investigate, TRUMP does not have time to investigate things, he RUNS things.
Who knows what other things Congress may find about Obama while they investigate this. You Liberals won't believe anything TRUMP says anyway but you will finally listen when Congress drags Obama before its body to testify in cuffs.
But what is there to investigate? Declassify the record if an investigation has occurred. It's pretty simple.
No no no, that is not the way Washington works. You should know that. If it worked like you say, Hillary would have been behind bars during the election.
that's ok. Trump will soon be taking her place.
On vacation? Cause she's certainly not behind bars right now.
Well, it's been several days since this story broke, and I've tried to wrap my head around it.
I know I'm going to get flamed by folks when they read this, and I assume I'll be cast as a partisan hack for what I'm about to say. I get all that. I'll take any shots that come my way, along those lines. For years, I've understood that I can only take responsibility for my words and my intent, because these are the only things under my control. I cannot control how they are interpreted (or responded to) by others.
I've tried to look at this latest news story from as many different angles as I can (and Lord knows that there's been plenty of angles to sift through), and it's brought me to this place:
I'm seriously worried about this man's mental fitness. Seriously concerned. And no- this isn't some fake 'bleeding heart compassion' for a man who didn't get my vote. It's not coming from a partisan position of TrumpHate 24/7. It's coming from a deep concern about his motivations, the things that trigger his public statements, and his base level of self-control.
Here's where I'm at- for better or worse:
The standing PotUS has just accused his predecessor of actionable federal crimes on an open worldwide web platform... without
Take a pause after that sentence. Let it truly sink in for a moment. And, once you've done that, remind yourselves that Our Standing President did it ON TWITTER...
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I don't care which side of the L/R political spectrum you fall upon, and I don't care who you cast your vote for... we are seeing patterns of behavior from this man that should be of grave concern to us all.
The CEO/owner of a multinational business can be managed/manipulated/marginalized by his management team, and the company can still run, if competent higher-ups have a firm grasp on running the business. They can make the day-to-day decisions, isolate the 'Father Figurehead' from making damaging mis-steps, and control their public brand. If they fail or drop the ball, a worst-case scenario is that the company tanks, and investors/stakeholders take a monetary hit. One company. Hundreds or thousands of people lose money, maybe jobs..
This is something very different.
By its very nature, the office of PotUS puts the "CEO of USA" under intense inernational scrutiny 24/7. And his team of managers find out that he's 'tweeted' to the entire world an unfounded conspiracy theory overnight when they show up for work the next day?
Even his own 'inner circle' was taken completely by surprise by his overnight actions when they got their phone calls on Saturday morning.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Dawg Pound: this isn't politics I'm playing here with my post. For the most part, I'm already past that. I voted for HRC, and she's hiking in remote locales with Secret Service Sherpas at her side. I get it/I'm over it. Things are what they now are. As I write this, I couldn't care less about who's R or who's L in our community. I couldn't care less about the last 8 years, or who was PotUS in the 1960's, 70's, 80's or beyond.
This man is exhibiting behaviors that force younger family members to have serious conversations about 'Grampa Don.' The kinds of behaviors that force them into uncomfortable conversations about car keys and checking accounts.
I've had beefs with a good number of our PotUS'es over a good many of my years. I've disagreed with them over policy, tactics, and our country's direction. But with all of them (even RMN), I never felt the need to question their fitness to execute the duties of the post.
Apparently, the President of the United States of America is tweeting his unfiltered 6 AM thoughts to the world- after reading an op-ed on Breitbart's op-ed website.
A President is supposed to MAKE news... not react to 'stuff he's read' or things that 'people are saying'.
IMHO, if this doesn't chill you to your core, you're the kind of American who sees no substantial difference in gravitas between the Oval Office and 'Keeping Up With The Kardashians."
I have my flame-retardant suit on. I'm ready for the backlash I know this post is gonna generate. I'll take any and all of it, if just one or two of Trump's strongest supporters can actually talk to me- and convince me that this guy has his marbles lined up.
Because from what I'm seeing, I wouldn't trust him to run a corner lemonade stand, much less the most influential nation on the planet.
Have you noticed that since his tweeter storm on Obama on Saturday, the only time we've seen him is in a taped video of him signing something and him bragging and taking credit for jobs coming back in the oil industry.. Actually, he may have had something to do with the Exxon Mobil jobs announced yesterday. Of course the cost of that was to basically put aside all those things that every president before him thought was important, like protecting the environment... Just sayin
Oh, and he had to give Rex Tillerson a job.. another person with close ties to russia and Putin...
Ahh Clem, I don't think anyone doubts where I come down on the subject of Donald Trump. Pretty sure I've been very clear on that score.
But you brought up something that I guess, without saying it, I've feared. I mean I've said he's a lunatic, but maybe that's not the problem. Maybe he's just got some kind of mental disorder or even something treatable.. Dunno.
But clearly, the leader of the free world doesn't get up at 6 am and flames his predecessor the way Trump did on Saturday.
If he really had something on Obama, I mean, if he had intelligence reports that clearly showed that Obama did what he's accused him of, he'd be rather stupid to let the cat out of the bag. The correct thing would have been to sit with the FBI and other agencies, get to the bottom of it, and then get Obama charged and perhaps convicted.
I was convinced he did that tweet storm to deflect attention away from his staff being question in connection to their relationships with Russia. But now, I wonder if he's that cunning. I think you may be right,, something is wrong.
Being his Chief of Staff, Press Secretary or anyone else that has to face the media as a mouth piece for him, has got to be the WORST job on the planet.
But more importantly, He's not exhibiting the skills that it takes to lead a nation and to deal with folks like Russia, China, Japan, Korea and that's not even mentioning the middle east.
I understand that many folks think that he's a successful business man. (for me, there are question marks all over his supposed success, but that's another issue) But being successful in business doesn't necessarily equate to success as the leader of the free world. In fact I think it makes him ill prepared.
Being a business leader (owner in his case) generally comes with the notion that "you say it, they do it" Simple. Except it doesn't work that way and never will for our highest office. And it shouldn't.
Yeah Clem, I feel your pain, I do agree, there is something wrong with him... Something seriously wrong.
And to be honest, I'm sorry to see that. (stop laughing 40, I mean it)
I don't see any backlash coming for a post like this. I will reserve judgement, I'm torn between 'trying to distract', 'big ego with INCREDIBLY THIN SKIN' or both.
you know I've tried to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, I liked alot of what he said on the trail..but man his actions since in office have me turned off...he's 100% clueless, he doesn't realize he has to put his ego aside. You give a great speech to congress, actually look and sound presidental, and in the next breath its right back to being a talking troll doll. I didn't like Obama at all and still think he is the worst president of my lifetime, didn't want hillary at all. Sad state of affairs when these are the supposed best of the best to lead our country.. Because the job sucks, all the ones that would do a great job want no part of it because it's a no win situation. There desperately needs to be a 3rd party that comes to power and competes, bipartisan sucks
You guys have simply bought into what the Media and the Left are feeding you.
Once Congress is done with its investigation the traitors within and the Cult of Obama will be exposed. There will be a paper trail.
In the meantime, by all means, take the easy path by proclaiming the President is nuts.
And you buy into everything Trump tells you... You have about 300 news outlets around the world telling you one thing and you have Brietbart, InfoWars, Levin, FOX, Limbaugh and Trump tell you something else, and you are choosing to believe the latter..
I don't know if Trump is right or wrong about wire tapping but I do know a lot of slease came out of O's White House. Such as the IRS scandal, the Fox news reporter and on and on.
I don't know if Trump is right or wrong about wire tapping but I do know a lot of slease came out of O's White House. Such as the IRS scandal, the Fox news reporter and on and on.
Name an adminstration that hasn't had a scandal as perceived by their opponents?
WikiLeaks offers reward for info on Obama admin misdeeds
The anti-secrecy website on Tuesday issued a call for any information about those connected to the outgoing Obama administration destroying records – and offered a huge cash payment as incentive.
“We are issuing a US$20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or exposure of any Obama admin agent destroying significant records,” the organization tweeted above an image of a “Wanted” sign.
WikiLeaks offers reward for info on Obama admin misdeeds
The anti-secrecy website on Tuesday issued a call for any information about those connected to the outgoing Obama administration destroying records – and offered a huge cash payment as incentive.
“We are issuing a US$20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or exposure of any Obama admin agent destroying significant records,” the organization tweeted above an image of a “Wanted” sign.
LOL,,, Listen, Wiki is in bed with the Trump Admin and they are also in bed with Putin...Why in the heck would you care about them... Other than they are after anything Democrat
Everyone knows TRUMP can not comment on an ongoing investigation.
You just don't understand the optics of this at all... Ok, let's say for a second that he can't comment on an ongoing investigation.... then the way you get the ball rolling is you meet with congress, you meet with the attorney general, you lay out your case of why you think you were wiretapped, you build your case just to see if you have a case... then, if there is deemed to be something there, then you issue a press statement that an investigation has been started.
YOU DON'T THROW THE ACCUSATION OUT ON TWITTER AND THEN RUN AND HIDE!!!!
Everyone knows TRUMP can not comment on an ongoing investigation.
You just don't understand the optics of this at all... Ok, let's say for a second that he can't comment on an ongoing investigation.... then the way you get the ball rolling is you meet with congress, you meet with the attorney general, you lay out your case of why you think you were wiretapped, you build your case just to see if you have a case... then, if there is deemed to be something there, then you issue a press statement that an investigation has been started.
YOU DON'T THROW THE ACCUSATION OUT ON TWITTER AND THEN RUN AND HIDE!!!!
You are wrong!
You tell Congress that information has come to you stating wire taping happened and Obama was behind it. The President DOES NOT LAY OUT HIS CASE! HE IS NOT ON TRIAL HERE!
Now it is their job to investigate it and to validate it or not. It also opens up the vault for them to find anything else that might have been going on such as spies and traitors and leakers.
As far as optics is concerned....
Trump has been called everything from a Nazi to a Russian spy and now a liar and a nut by the Left and their media. You really think Optics will make a difference? Yea, ok.
You tell Congress that information has come to you stating wire taping happened and Obama was behind it. The President DOES NOT LAY OUT HIS CASE! HE IS NOT ON TRIAL HERE!
He does have to lay out a case. He has to state where that information came from, determine it's credibility, etc before they should ever launch an investigation. I cannot simply claim that a guy at Dunkin' Donuts told me 40 beats his wife and start a congressional investigation...
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As far as optics is concerned.... rofl
Trump has been called everything from a Nazi to a Russian spy and now a liar and a nut by the Left and their media. You really think Optics will make a difference? Yea, ok. rolleyes
Yes I do. Some of that happens in every political cycle and Trump did nothing to help himself through his bold and provocative statements and his incessant tweeting.
Regardless, he is the President. He should be held to the higher standard. Even if the left continues to call him names, it's his job to remain composed and do things the right way. Sorry, that's what he signed up for.
So let's see.... Every time Trump spouts off something crazy, whether he has any evidence or not, our government should spend millions of tax payer dollars investigating it?
Regardless, he is the President. He should be held to the higher standard. Even if the left continues to call him names, it's his job to remain composed and do things the right way. Sorry, that's what he signed up for.
You are so spoiled by Politicians who lie and drool out all the nice words you want to hear that you have forgotten how to deal with real men.
Regardless, he is the President. He should be held to the higher standard. Even if the left continues to call him names, it's his job to remain composed and do things the right way. Sorry, that's what he signed up for.
You are so spoiled by Politicians who lie and drool out all the nice words you want to hear that you have forgotten how to deal with real men.
apparently he hasn't, as all Trump has done is lie and drool.
So either that's how real men act, or trump is just another typical politician. which is it?
Regardless, he is the President. He should be held to the higher standard. Even if the left continues to call him names, it's his job to remain composed and do things the right way. Sorry, that's what he signed up for.
You are so spoiled by Politicians who lie and drool out all the nice words you want to hear that you have forgotten how to deal with real men.
Whatever dude. I know what real leadership looks like... and Trump ain't it. I was honestly HOPING that Trump would be the leader and the person who speaks open and honestly and stops playing politics, so far I haven't seen it.
Whatever dude. I know what real leadership looks like... and Trump ain't it. I was honestly HOPING that Trump would be the leader and the person who speaks open and honestly and stops playing politics, so far I haven't seen it.
He's not even playing politics. He's just being really dumb with twitter and has no filter. What is it with Billionaires and twitter anyway? Mark Cuban hasn't been any better lately.
He's not even playing politics. He's just being really dumb with twitter and has no filter. What is it with Billionaires and twitter anyway? Mark Cuban hasn't been any better lately.
It's not really billionaires, it's a lot of people with the celebrity status to have a massive following.... athletes do it, entertainers do it.
why not? that's what they do on reality TV all the time.
That's who the trump supporters voted in, so why can't he do what he's been doing his whole life?
they didn't vote for him to be presidential, remember?
There u go ... that's the truth ...
And so far I am upset over two things he's done .. and none of them have anything to do with this ..
I have zero problems with his tweets and I certainly have no problem with this ... ZERO ..
Remember stoner .. there's a difference between not having a problem with it and thinking it was a dumb ass move ... and if u follow the bouncing ball ... this isn't even on the radar screen ...
He's not even playing politics. He's just being really dumb with twitter and has no filter. What is it with Billionaires and twitter anyway? Mark Cuban hasn't been any better lately.
It's not really billionaires, it's a lot of people with the celebrity status to have a massive following.... athletes do it, entertainers do it.
I don't know if Trump is right or wrong about wire tapping but I do know a lot of slease came out of O's White House. Such as the IRS scandal, the Fox news reporter and on and on.
Name an adminstration that hasn't had a scandal as perceived by their opponents?
I'm just pointing out that O's people weren't above a little wiretapping.
I don't know if Trump is right or wrong about wire tapping but I do know a lot of slease came out of O's White House. Such as the IRS scandal, the Fox news reporter and on and on.
Name an adminstration that hasn't had a scandal as perceived by their opponents?
I'm just pointing out that O's people weren't above a little wiretapping.
Seems they are not above a little Wiki Leaking either.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer said today that President Donald Trump has not spoken to FBI Director James Comey in the wake of Trump's unsubstantiated allegations that his phones were wiretapped at the direction of President Obama.
Spicer reiterated the White House's earlier announced plans to have the House and Senate investigative committees look into the matter.
"There is clearly a role that congress can play in their oversight," Spicer said at the press briefing today.
When asked by ABC News' Jonathan Karl, Spicer declined from sharing his personal feelings on the issue.
"I get that that's a cute question to ask. My job is to represent the president," Spicer said.
Spicer was later asked if the president still supports Comey. Spicer responded, "I have no reason to believe he doesn't. He has not suggested that to me."
Spicer offered no evidence to support Trump's wiretapping claims and said Trump is looking forward to the results of the congressional investigations.
"It's not a question of proving [the claims]. It's that they have the resources and the clearances and the staff ... to fully and clearly investigate this," Spicer said.
"He's not walking anything back or regretting it," he added.
FALSE CLAIM: A Former Attorney General Said Trump’s Claim Was Correct TruthFeed: “BREAKING : Former Attorney General Believes Loretta Lynch Ordered Wiretapping.” Fake news purveyor TruthFeed claimed in a March 6 article, “Former Bush Attorney General Michael Mukasey believes Trump is correct that wiretapping occurred and it was ordered by Loretta Lynch’s DOJ,” referring to an interview he gave to ABC’s This Week. [TruthFeed, 3/6/17; Media Matters, 12/14/16]
FACT: Mukasey Actually Said Trump’s Claim Was False Mukasey: Trump’s Obama Wiretap Claim Was “Not Correct.” In an interview with ABC’s This Week, Mukasey said that Trump “‘was not correct certainly in saying that President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower.’” He said he did think “‘there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney -- of the Justice Department through the FISA court,’” but he noted that such surveillance would mean “‘there were some basis to believe that somebody in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent of the Russians.’” From the March 5 ABC News article:
I don't care much one way or the other if Obama wiretapped Trump or not -i'm thinking he probably did, but am unsure. It is interesting, though.
Every day it's like opening up the National Enquirer with Trump as president. Crazy times.
I really have to laugh a little. Middle of last week, the man started to sound like a real president.. (sound like but the words were the same). But just about everyone was saying he was getting better...
Then on Thursday, Levin talks about how Obama wiretapped Trump, Brietbart picks it up on Friday and then Saturday Morning, Trump goes off the rails AGAIN.....
Now we're finding out how many of those associated with Trump had ties to Russia....
Russia hacking our elections to get DJT the Presidential seat is pretty cold war-esque. But now we're moving towards a place of understanding with the Russians. I heard we might even adopt their Constitution soon enough.
Russia hacking our elections to get DJT the Presidential seat is pretty cold war-esque. But now we're moving towards a place of understanding with the Russians. I heard we might even adopt their Constitution soon enough.
I'd rather have the Russian constitution than the Sharia Law that Obama would have enacted if he had just had more time.
Russia hacking our elections to get DJT the Presidential seat is pretty cold war-esque. But now we're moving towards a place of understanding with the Russians. I heard we might even adopt their Constitution soon enough.
I'd rather have the Russian constitution than the Sharia Law that Obama would have enacted if he had just had more time.
Russia hacking our elections to get DJT the Presidential seat is pretty cold war-esque. But now we're moving towards a place of understanding with the Russians. I heard we might even adopt their Constitution soon enough.
I'd rather have the Russian constitution than the Sharia Law that Obama would have enacted if he had just had more time.
"The White House on Monday walked back key point of President Donald Trump's unsubstantiated allegation that President Barack Obama wiretapped his phones in Trump Tower during the 2016 election.
Namely, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump wasn't referring to wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretapping.
"I think there's no question that the Obama administration, that there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election," Spicer said. "The President used the word wiretaps in quotes to mean, broadly, surveillance and other activities."
Wiretapping is a narrowly defined surveillance activity that involves tapping into "a telephone or telegram wire in order to get information," according to Merriam-Webster dictionary. Spicer also said that Trump was referring to the Obama administration broadly -- and not accusing Obama of personal involvement -- when he tweeted that "Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower" and accused Obama of being a "bad" or "sick guy."
If I'm Sean Spicer I'm looking at another gig or even early retirement.
I'm sure every one on staff that has an on camera responsibility is hoping (in vain most likely) that Thumbs has learned his lesson about spouting off without being able to back it up.
If I'm Sean Spicer I'm looking at another gig or even early retirement.
Worst job in America. He should be followed by Mike Rowe for a week.
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I'm sure every one on staff that has an on camera responsibility is hoping (in vain most likely) that Thumbs has learned his lesson about spouting off without being able to back it up.
That lesson hasn't landed yet. IMO, he's been doing this for so many years, he probably needs a 12-step program to wean him off.
If you had a boss that you would constantly find your self in a position where you had to lie for him, would you stay or leave?
I'm not talking about having your bosses back, that should be a given, but to constantly having to lie, in public, to the media (whether you respect them or not) would you stay or leave?
Maybe it's just me, but lately, I've noticed that it's getting harder and harder who support him to defend Trump. I know this because of comments like this. When you run out of honest and constructive things to say, you resort to stupid, childish comments like this.
I have noticed the Left getting more and more violent.
I have noticed the Media is not reporting on the Russian aide who said the Clinton and Obama people met with Russian officials during their campaigns.
I have noticed the Media is going on and on about anything anti Trump but say nothing about Job increases, wage increases, illegal immigration down 40 percent, the stock market zooming, and his attempting to save healthcare for Americans instead of letting it fail.
Those are some of the things I notice.
People I hear from are actually beginning to say that once Trumps policies start to take effect, he will go down as one of the best Presidents we have ever had.
Press Secretary Sean Spicer has claimed that US President Donald Trump's "wire-tapping" claims were not meant literally, as he aimed to defend the Republican over tweets alleging that Barack Obama spied on Trump Tower during the election.
In his daily briefing with reporters on Monday (13 March), Spicer claimed that Trump's use of quotation marks around the words wire-tapping meant that he did not necessarily mean wire-tapping, but other forms of surveillance.
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"If you look at the president's tweet, he said very clearly, quote, 'wire tapping' – in quotes," Spicer said in Monday's (13 March) briefing, making air quotes with his fingers to emphasise the point.
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"There's been substantial discussion in several reports," Spicer went on. "There's been reports in the New York Times and the BBC and other outlets about other aspects of surveillance that have occurred.
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"The president was very clear in his tweet that it was, you know, 'wire tapping' – that spans a whole host of surveillance types of options."
Despite Spicer's claims, two of Trump's four tweets about wire-tapping did not contain quotation marks and were explicit in their intended meaning.
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Spicer also claimed that Trump did not mean Obama directly, but the Obama administration, in spite of Trump's tweets stating "Bad (or sick) guy!"
A week earlier, when Spicer was originally asked to comment about the wire-tapping accusation, he said the claim "speaks for itself" and declined to offer any additional insight.
Monday's comments came at the same time as the deadline for the Justice Department to provide any evidence on the wire-tapping claims to the House Intelligence Committee so they could investigate. However, the White House so far declined to provide any evidence to the committee.
Hours after the press conference, a Justice Department spokeswoman confirmed that they have contacted the House Intelligence Committee to request more time in compiling their evidence.
Obama, through a spokesman, has denied the allegations.
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Very simply, to our generation the words "phone tapping" covers all forms of electronic eavesdropping.
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
This is a direct tweet from Trump. It directly states that HIS phones were tapped. It's either a lie or it's not. The BS spin can stop any time. Even his own people don't really believe that. And it's "tap" not "tapp".
There's no hate from me 40. I just have the ability to read exactly what the man said. When someone says "someone tapped my phones", that's what it means. It's basic English. Or are you telling me Trump doesn't understand basic English?
When someone says something confusing or something that could be taken different ways it leaves a question. There's no question here.
So? Can we see the proof that Trump has on this? What does he have that caused him to tweet about it? Otherwise Trump lied to the American public. The Govt can lie to us with no consequences now? We go to jail if we lie to the Govt. What's next?
So when trump says obama wire tapped his phone, he didn't real mean wire tap?
Yes, he meant wiretap, as my generation understands it. In the day they had to hook a listening device by wire to your phone line. Well phone lines are almost a thing of the past!
They listen thru the mic on your phone, computer, television, and I hear they can convert your microwave into a listen device.
So when trump says obama wire tapped his phone, he didn't real mean wire tap?
Yes, he meant wiretap, as my generation understands it. In the day they had to hook a listening device by wire to your phone line. Well phone lines are almost a thing of the past!
They listen thru the mic on your phone, computer, television, and I hear they can convert your microwave into a listen device.
Wiretap! Electronic eavesdropping!
Now remember when you answer Swish's next question... "And when Trump said it was Obama who did it"? say he meant Michelle.
"How was I suppose to know that "Launch the nukes" was a euphemism for trying to have sex with a woman at at a furniture store?" -- Nuclear scientist in the year 2019
No spin. It doesn't change the fact he believes he was wiretapped.
No spin. He never said he had evidence, he said "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower".
How did he find out? Who told him? What evidence does the source have to make such a claim. This cannot be excused away with a simple wave off here. What did Trump know and when did he know it and where did he get the info to make such claims in a tweet?
Dennis Kucinich on Trump's wiretap charge: 'It happened to me'
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Former Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) is defending President Trump's claims about being wiretapped by the Obama administration, saying during an appearance on Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor" that his own phone had been tapped.
Kucinich told Bill O'Reilly Monday night that a phone call to his congressional office from a foreign leader was tapped in 2011. Kucinich said he listened to the recording after leaving office in 2015.
"I had a resolution in the House to try to stop the war and [Saif al-Islam Gadhafi, a high-ranking official in Libya’s government and son of President Moammar Gadhafi] called me to talk about it," Kucinich said.
"I cleared the discussion with House attorneys, and a member of Congress is not supposed to be listened to by the executive branch," he continued. "The director of national intelligence under President Obama was tracking my resolution, and I didn't find out until two years after I had left Congress."
Kucinich revealed in a Friday FoxNews.com column that investigative reporters from the Washington Times contacted him after obtaining the tape to verify his voice on the recording.
"When I met them at a Chinese restaurant in Washington, they played back audio of a call I had taken in my D.C. congressional office four years earlier," he told O'Reilly.
Kucinich said because of that experience, he doesn't dismiss Trump's claim that he was bugged.
"I heard a lot of people laughing about it, but I had something happen to me. If a member of Congress can have his phone tapped, this can happen to anybody."
Kucinich was a member of Congress from 1997-2013. He joined Fox News as a contributor after shortly after leaving office.
The Trump administration asked for more time on Monday evening to comply with a House Intelligence Committee request for evidence substantiating the president's claims of wiretapping.
The request came hours before the committee-set midnight deadline.
"This afternoon, the Department of Justice placed calls to representatives of the Chairman and Ranking Member of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to ask for additional time to review the request in compliance with the governing legal authorities and to determine what if any responsive documents may exist," the letter from Department of Justice read.
"I heard a lot of people laughing about it, but I had something happen to me. If a member of Congress can have his phone tapped, this can happen to anybody."
What a PoS. Only care about your constituents' privacy because yours finally got violated? I hate congressmen.
Where's the evidence? There is none. You're boy straight up lied. And he did it to take heat off the Russia thing.
Heat off the Russia thing... lol
Swish, there is no Russia thing. At a certain point, you have to lay out exactly what you mean by that and provide real evidence. So far you, mac, Rocket, and everybody else who has pushed that angle has failed spectacularly.
I still wait for something real...
...not coincidental meetings between business executives, Congressmen, and foreign officials
...not imperfect recollection of events that happened months earlier
...not diplomatic/friendly comments exchanged between world leaders
...not speculating on flimsy evidence about who released John Podesta's emails that exposed widespread corruption in the Democratic party (and further, what Trump had to do with that. Here's a hint: nothing)
...not an outrageous dossier that reads like a prank (possibly because it was a prank) where none of the substantive accusations have any merit
2 people got fired, and an AG had to recuse himself from the investigations.
Over the Russia thing.
So again, the facts says you're wrong. But go down with that ship of you want to.
So if there's no Russia thing, why are people dropping like flies over it?
sorry if I don't take anything you have to say with regards to this seriously. 2 people getting axed over it kinda invalidates anything you have to say. I hope you understand that.
So, sup with the wire tapping claim? Or are you gonna go down with that ship, too?
Where's the evidence? There is none. You're boy straight up lied. And he did it to take heat off the Russia thing.
Heat off the Russia thing... lol
Swish, there is no Russia thing. At a certain point, you have to lay out exactly what you mean by that and provide real evidence. So far you, mac, Rocket, and everybody else who has pushed that angle has failed spectacularly.
I still wait for something real...
...not coincidental meetings between business executives, Congressmen, and foreign officials
...not imperfect recollection of events that happened months earlier
...not diplomatic/friendly comments exchanged between world leaders
...not speculating on flimsy evidence about who released John Podesta's emails that exposed widespread corruption in the Democratic party (and further, what Trump had to do with that. Here's a hint: nothing)
...not an outrageous dossier that reads like a prank (possibly because it was a prank) where none of the substantive accusations have any merit
There you go. Distracting away from the wire tapping now. Wise play, well done.
The Department of Justice has failed to meet the House Intelligence Committee's deadline to turn over any alleged evidence of wiretapping of President Donald Trump during the campaign.
On Friday, House Intelligence Committee Chairs Devin Nunes, R-California, and Adam Schiff, D-California, had formally requested that the Justice Department turn over any documentary evidence, including applications, orders or warrants, by Monday, assuming such information exists.
According to a DOJ spokeswoman, the DOJ placed calls to Nunes and Schiff this afternoon, asking for "additional time to review the request in compliance with the governing legal authorities and to determine what if any responsive documents may exist."
A House Intelligence Committee spokesperson confirmed the DOJ's request for more time and set a new deadline for ahead of the March 20 House Intelligence Committee hearing on Russia's influence in the U.S. elections.
"We have asked the Department to provide us this information before the Committee’s open hearing scheduled for March 20," a House Intelligence Committee spokesperson said. "If the Committee does not receive a response by then, the Committee will ask for this information during the March 20 hearing and may resort to a compulsory process if our questions continue to go unanswered."
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2 people got fired, and an AG had to recuse himself from the investigations.
Over the Russia thing.
So again, the facts says you're wrong. But go down with that ship of you want to.
So if there's no Russia thing, why are people dropping like flies over it?
sorry if I don't take anything you have to say with regards to this seriously. 2 people getting axed over it kinda invalidates anything you have to say. I hope you understand that.
So, sup with the wire tapping claim? Or are you gonna go down with that ship, too?
And yet, no evidence that Trump is compromised by Russia or anything of the sort. If you had that information, you'd have posted it by now.
Flynn got axed because he was dishonest with Mike Pence. There was no evidence Flynn actually did anything, but given the sensitivity of the subject, he should have been up front the whole time. Was there more to it than that?
As far as the wire tapping claim, I am going to see what comes of it. There really isn't enough info out there for me to have a stance on it either way. If I had to say anything, it's that Trump probably should not have tweeted about it. Call it a flaw on his otherwise excellent Tweeting.
Where's the evidence? There is none. You're boy straight up lied. And he did it to take heat off the Russia thing.
Heat off the Russia thing... lol
Swish, there is no Russia thing. At a certain point, you have to lay out exactly what you mean by that and provide real evidence. So far you, mac, Rocket, and everybody else who has pushed that angle has failed spectacularly.
I still wait for something real...
...not coincidental meetings between business executives, Congressmen, and foreign officials
...not imperfect recollection of events that happened months earlier
...not diplomatic/friendly comments exchanged between world leaders
...not speculating on flimsy evidence about who released John Podesta's emails that exposed widespread corruption in the Democratic party (and further, what Trump had to do with that. Here's a hint: nothing)
...not an outrageous dossier that reads like a prank (possibly because it was a prank) where none of the substantive accusations have any merit
There you go. Distracting away from the wire tapping now. Wise play, well done.
Swish has alluded to the 'Russia thing' many times in this thread. I have no reservations about asking what exactly that means and what the evidence is. Those explanations are severely lacking.
You seem pretty confident for guys getting dropped over Russian ties.
Your boy is corrupt, right along with the people he hired. Hell, the only person that might be legit is Pence.
Spin it however you want. The Russian bomb is coming. For you to be so confident about it, you still didn't say anything worth much regards to two people getting fired, and the AG refusing himself.
For people supposedly innoncent, they sure are acting guilty as all hell.
But sure, nothing to see here. Keep rolling with that.
He knows the Left and the Media are lightweights and he eats them for lunch.
They cried that he was a Nazi, and anti Semite, a racist, and a Russian spy. Obama was involved in keeping the Left "Resisting" and protesting. Obama's intelligence loyalists were leaking everything Trump did in private.
He had had enough of it so he tweets...
"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
Next tweet...
"Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!"
And then...
"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"
-The Left and their Media took what Trump tweeted and gobbled it up hook, line and sinker. -They read into it that he had evidence. -They read into it that Obama himself crawled thru Trump Tower, hooking up taps to phones. -They gave him deadlines on when he must show his evidence, which he ignored.
So here sits the Press and the Left with nothing while Trump has an investigation going on, looking into everything Obama and the Left have been up to behind the scenes.
Let's run through the current line up of flops so far coming from the trump administration
2 security advisors axed.
Ag recused himself from Russian investigation
Fake bowling green massacre
No terrorist activity on a random Friday in Sweden
A flop of a travel ban the first goaround.
And now he endorsed quite possibly he dumbest healthcare bill....ever.
Multiple people heading agencies they have no business running
A stupid remark stating the steel from the pipeline will be built by American steel
Yea, trump is doing great things.
Did I miss anything?
All that in under 3 months? Yikes.
Whatever you say. Three months ago, it was all about the racist, sexist Hitler angle. Now that those accusations have shown to be complete shams, you have to go after something else.
Three months from now, once the Russia thing fizzles out, there will be something else. We all know how this goes.
By the way, you really should look into what is happening in Sweden. Or Germany, France, etc. Society is a delicate thing and is mainly a reflection of its people. He actually did a great service for the Swedes and many others across the western world. Red flags abound. Let in mass amounts of third world people into your country, you get large amounts of third world problems. It's just not that complicated. And it does not benefit you or me.
You seem pretty confident for guys getting dropped over Russian ties.
Your boy is corrupt, right along with the people he hired. Hell, the only person that might be legit is Pence.
Spin it however you want. The Russian bomb is coming. For you to be so confident about it, you still didn't say anything worth much regards to two people getting fired, and the AG refusing himself.
For people supposedly innoncent, they sure are acting guilty as all hell.
But sure, nothing to see here. Keep rolling with that.
Right.
I've been hearing about how this Russian thing is going to break wide open any day now, for months.
Did trump not get sued for refusing to rent to minorities?
Did he not say "grab em by the ...." did he not repeatedly call women ugly and nasty, etc?
Those are facts. How is that a sham, Haus?
Forreal, how freaking gullible are you? It's pathetic.
He didn't do anything good. Even the Swedish embassy was asking for clarification.
Your boy is constantly making crap up, and you're defending it.
I'm sorry bro, but that's what trained dogs do. Loyal to the master no matter what they do. And it's sad that you and others will defend this level of blatant lying and corruption, even after all the whining you did when talking about Hillary.
It's just really disappointing. And now you of course can't even condem the actual topic of the thread. The man lied about obama wire tapping him. And yet, you still can't say anything.
Did trump not get sued for refusing to rent to minorities?
Did he not say "grab em by the ...." did he not repeatedly call women ugly and nasty, etc?
Those are facts. How is that a sham, Haus?
Forreal, how freaking gullible are you? It's pathetic.
He didn't do anything good. Even the Swedish embassy was asking for clarification.
Your boy is constantly making crap up, and you're defending it.
I'm sorry bro, but that's what trained dogs do. Loyal to the master no matter what they do. And it's sad that you and others will defend this level of blatant lying and corruption, even after all the whining you did when talking about Hillary.
It's just really disappointing. And now you of course can't even condem the actual topic of the thread. The man lied about obama wire tapping him. And yet, you still can't say anything.
Very sad.
We've been through this all before. Suffice it to say we disagree.
What has he done since he has been President? Oh yeah, he signed an executive order giving billions to historically black colleges and universities. Paid maternity leave is likely going to be part of his tax reform.
You've argued against multiculturalism, so I apologize if I severely doubt you're happy about HBCU's getting any sort of money. Maybe I'm wrong, if so then my bad.
"Likely" doesn't cut it. We will see when that happens. That healthcare bill he endorsed is straight up garbage.
So you named one thing that is ok.
But nothing that benefits Americans as a whole? Where's those policies? 3 months and all you got is one thing?
Did trump not get sued for refusing to rent to minorities?
Did he not say "grab em by the ...." did he not repeatedly call women ugly and nasty, etc?
Those are facts. How is that a sham, Haus?
Forreal, how freaking gullible are you? It's pathetic.
He didn't do anything good. Even the Swedish embassy was asking for clarification.
Your boy is constantly making crap up, and you're defending it.
I'm sorry bro, but that's what trained dogs do. Loyal to the master no matter what they do. And it's sad that you and others will defend this level of blatant lying and corruption, even after all the whining you did when talking about Hillary.
It's just really disappointing. And now you of course can't even condem the actual topic of the thread. The man lied about obama wire tapping him. And yet, you still can't say anything.
Very sad.
We've been through this all before. Suffice it to say we disagree.
What has he done since he has been President? Oh yeah, he signed an executive order giving billions to historically black colleges and universities.
This is some fake news.
Here's the EO too, so people don't get lost in the spin of some news sites.
Did trump not get sued for refusing to rent to minorities?
Did he not say "grab em by the ...." did he not repeatedly call women ugly and nasty, etc?
Those are facts. How is that a sham, Haus?
Forreal, how freaking gullible are you? It's pathetic.
He didn't do anything good. Even the Swedish embassy was asking for clarification.
Your boy is constantly making crap up, and you're defending it.
I'm sorry bro, but that's what trained dogs do. Loyal to the master no matter what they do. And it's sad that you and others will defend this level of blatant lying and corruption, even after all the whining you did when talking about Hillary.
It's just really disappointing. And now you of course can't even condem the actual topic of the thread. The man lied about obama wire tapping him. And yet, you still can't say anything.
Very sad.
We've been through this all before. Suffice it to say we disagree.
What has he done since he has been President? Oh yeah, he signed an executive order giving billions to historically black colleges and universities.
This is some fake news.
Here's the EO too, so people don't get lost in the spin of some news sites.
When people figure out that Trump tweets outrageous things to change the topic of discussion, you may want to look at the prior days news.
I think he yells fire when a bad Russia story comes out.
Trump is very good at leading the conversation. He's been doing it for a long time. The setup often goes something like this:
- Say something controversial, but word it ambiguously. - Media predictably takes the bait. Racist, fascist, xenophobe, etc. - Reasonable people look into whatever issue was brought up, and oh my goodness, there is something very real there, even if it isn't precisely what was said to begin with. - Clarify the intent of the original statement - We're now talking about what President Trump would like to discuss, instead of what the left wants to discuss. Works every time.
The wiretapping allegation is not a particularly good example. Usually the evidence would be much more readily available. Maybe it was a mistake? Maybe he's holding onto his Trump card? It's hard to say.
On "Fox & Friends" this morning, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that even if the Obama administration did spy on Trump, there may never be a way to prove it.
He explained that the statutes allow the president to order the surveillance of any person in the U.S., without suspicion, probable cause or a warrant, but that would leave "fingerprints."
In this case, the alleged surveillance was reportedly ordered in a way that left no record, he said.
"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."
Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.
"There's no American fingerprints on this," Napolitano said. "What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Donald Trump was inaugurated."
Only a fool reads words and thinks he reads minds too.
How many times have you read something in these board and asked the poster what he meant?
You guys hate so hard that you would hold that poster to what he said no matter what he meant. Foolish.
Well, here's the thing, 40: we often do have to ask for clarity when posters type their thoughts in an informal vernacular style. A message board is a poor substitute for personal proximity, eye contact, body language, etc. Heck, we even have an informal 'rule' about using purple font for sarcasm and irony, which kinda defeats the purpose (purple is for rookies...)- so I get what you're saying.
But this is something very different. P45 dumps this thing on an unsuspecting public at 6:30 AM out of the clear blue. No context. No response to a pre-existing conversation, narrative or dialogue. After 24 hours of research the only connex to his tweet that can be found is an article on Breitbart the day before. Now, we could talk about how 'out there' his 'tweet behavior' is at some other time (and we should), but I want to address the specific nature of the tweet itself... and the impact it can have on any and ALL his dealings as POTUS.
If he got himself all worked up over an article on a skeevy, half-legitimate blog/news site, and tweeted out his immediate unfiltered impressions, then he's the same DJT that did this about Miley Cyrus, Rosie O'Donnell, and other 'D-List almost celebrities'. That may be perfectly fine for a fellow 'D-Lister' on a reality TV show, but it's patently unacceptable behavior for the President of the United States of America.
If he did it as a calculated dodge/misdirect/sleight-of-hand from unflattering attention brought on by the Russia investigation, that too is unacceptable behavior for the elected leader of the free world.
If he actually had something, and spouted off his tweetstorm in a fit of pique without first siccing a team of lawyers onto the Obama assertions, he dropped the ball on a 'Politics 101' level. You NEVER put a political rival on blast without "dotting i's and crossing t's" first. That's strictly 'amateur hour'... and definitely beneath the expectation we should have for a standing POTUS. Heck... screw the lawyers- all he had to do was call up Bannon or Kelly Ann before hitting the 'submit' button to find out how stupid this idea was. Apparently that thought never even occurred to him. Or he didn't care. Neither scenario was smart- or even sensible/sane.
What he did was tantamount to libel/slander, if no proof exists. If proof (or even a loosely-attached paper trail) did exist, a single phone call from the Oval Office could have brought to bear ALL documented evidence from every single intelligence agency that wrokd at the pleasure of the President. (A President can make such things happen- legally). 24 hours, max. Slam-dunk. "Obama was everything I said he was."
It's now been 3 days past the original deadline and.... nuttin'.
Now, 'FOXJudge' Napolitano, Spicer, Conway, et al are all doing backflips and contorting themselves into pretzels to legitimize the early-morning rants their boss made. Millions of citizens' tax dollars are now being spent on an official investigation into allegations that most probably are nothing more than some ill-conceived and poorly thought-out red herring.
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Here's where I'm going with all this: The President of the United States of America is held to a higher personal standard than anyone else on the planet out of necessity. His word represents an entire nation attached to his name/reputation. Considering the present volatile state of international politics, and the high stakes attached to current events, how are any other countries to place any faith in the USA when it's current leader posts scurrilous allegations against his predecessor, and deluges Twitter (of all platforms) with late-night 'mean girl tweets?'
The President of the United States of America should live his life on a higher plane than that. A good many (perhaps most) of her everyday citizens set a higher personal bar for ethics and behavior. You know: the ones who have always made America great?
America, by virtue of her position on the global power ladder, has been the glue which has held the civilized world together for the past 75 years. She has brokered multinational treaties, policed global hot spots, bailed out countries who were on the verge of political/social/economic collapse, defused potential regional meltdowns, and managed to stay on top through it all.
And now, she's being headed by a man who seems more concerned with his public celebrity image than the welfare of his nation on the world stage.
Words mean something. And this guy uses words with a recklessness that should be reserved for drunk dudes in a Browns Backers Bar on an Autumn Sunday afternoon. It's fine for 'Crazy Uncle Don' from East Palestine. It's NOT OK for the most influential human being on the planet.
EVERYTHING he says (even in passing) now has global consequences. I do not think that Donald Trump even comes close to recognizing this fact. And be ye R or D, Con or Lib (or anywhere in between), that should scare the [crap] outta you, if you're guided by common sense.
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I know we'll never agree on the subject of P45, but let me ask you a rhetorical question. It will give you a li'l glimpse into why I regard DJT as I do (all partisanship aside):
If you had a Good Friend in your 'inner circle' who behaved like this all the time... wee-hours tweets, outrageous comments in public, unfounded accusations against perceived enemies, pussgroping, 'over-the-top' grandiose statements about his exploits, etc:
-would you think that your Good Friend was a good prospect to be the POTUS of Your Nation? Would you feel comfy entrusting your rich, eccentric pal 'Don, from Follansby' with a White House cabinet of his friends, the combined forces of our 5 branches of military, and the nuclear codes?
Dude scares me to my core. And the only thing that scares me more is the blind trust so many of My Fellow Americans seem to place in him. I didn't vote for him, that is to be sure. I didn't vote for either of the Bushes or Reagan, too. Back then, I was disappointed at the prospect of seeing them preside over the next 4-8 years... but NONE OF THEM ever made my heart catch in my throat the way this... person does. Even Jimmy Carter (whom I didn't vote for, because I thought he was underqualified for the job) didn't scare me like this guy does.
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I've said it before, and I'm standing by it: this man is too politically clueless to avoid impeachment. If it isn't from the current spate of miscues, gaffes, and seedy (alleged) Russian entanglements, it will be from something else, down the road. I don't think it can be avoided. It will most likely throw our country into a deeper level of temporary chaos and leave us vulnerable, but 'addition by subtraction' will be the end result.
40: I've read your posts since the day you arrived. I think I have a pretty good understanding of the intellectual level upon which you operate. You ain't a stupid man by any metric, that's for sure. Having said that, I 'd probably feel more secure as an American citizen with YOU in the Oval than Donald Trump.
How you can continually, consistently, invariably defend the actions of someone who presents as an intellectual, moral and philosophical inferior to the both of us- baffles the hell out of me. It's something I just can't wrap my brain around.
Please explain what you see in this guy that totally escapes me.
I'm not trying to be a smartazz here. Not at all.. I really need to get a handle on this, if I'm to continue talking politics with Trump supporters. I gotta find some sort of 'common ground' as a basis for Good Talk.
40: I've read your posts since the day you arrived. I think I have a pretty good understanding of the intellectual level upon which you operate. You ain't a stupid man by any metric, that's for sure. Having said that, I 'd probably feel more secure as an American citizen with YOU in the Oval than Donald Trump.
How you can continually, consistently, invariably defend the actions of someone who presents as an intellectual, moral and philosophical inferior to the both of us- baffles the hell out of me. It's something I just can't wrap my brain around.
Please explain what you see in this guy that totally escapes me.
I'm not trying to be a smartazz here. Not at all.. I really need to get a handle on this, if I'm to continue talking politics with Trump supporters. I gotta find some sort of 'common ground' as a basis for Good Talk.
I don't get it, Clem.
Well then Mr. Clem, if as you say you are comfortable with my intellectual level and you don't consider me a stupid man, hear this...
Trump has a plan to make America better than it has been in a very long time. His policies are superior in many ways to anything I have heard in decades. Many of the top people in finance and business agree with me. Proof, look at the markets. They expect tremendous growth for America.
Trump has a plan to truly help with the inner cities, he has been meeting with Black leaders from around the country and they have come away from those meetings glowing with anticipation.
He has taken on our immigration debacle, ignored for decades, and is looking to set it right. He does not fear the political consequences to himself. Illegal immigration is already down by 40 percent, just on his tough talk.
He has not been in office for even 100 days, yet you wish to write him off. Ridiculous.
And finally, Trump is putting an end to the Liberal/Progressive movement and placing America and Americans first. He knows a Nation without borders is nothing more than a free for all. It has been a very long time since our President has done that, as it was just too risky for others. He is President of the United States and not President of the world.
He has had to overcome every kind of underhanded disruption served up by a screwed up Left where the agenda trumps the good of America, yet he just keeps on working and thinking. Focused on what he thinks it will take to make America Great Again. Damn the torpedoes, Full speed ahead!
Now, when I was Fire Chief, I had people around me who talked the good talk, smooth in their delivery, always cautious to say the right things to promote their careers. Then I had those people who said "Get out the way, we got work to do!" Those are the people I trusted with my life as they trusted me with theirs. Their actions were far superior to their delivery.
If you want to understand Trump, it was all there on tv when he surprised that group of kids who came to tour the White House. He walked out and said hello to them. They huddled in fear because, oh my gosh, it is the President!
He put his arms out and offered for them to come up but they were too scared. He smiled and began to walk away when one small boy ran up to be with him. Trump rubbed the kids shoulders and leaned down to his ear. Trump said something like, "You are very brave kid, you are gonna go far." Trump then turned to leave but stopped, turned towards all those kids, pointed his finger at them and said, "Work hard everybody!" He gave them the big thumbs up and left. Not thank you for coming, not it is so good to see you here, not pay attention to your teachers, not enjoy your visit. He said what to him was most important, "Work Hard." That is Trump. That is me. That is his supporters. That is the American way!
The Republican leader of the House Intelligence Committee says he has yet to see any evidence of President Trump’s claim that former President Barack Obama tapped his phones at Trump Tower before the 2016 presidential election.
“That evidence still remains the same,” Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., told reporters at a press conference Wednesday on Capitol Hill. “We don’t have any evidence that that took place.”
Trump leveled the explosive allegation against his predecessor on Twitter earlier this month.
“Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” Trump declared.
“Is it legal for a sitting President to be ‘wire tapping’ a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!” he added.
Obama’s office categorically denied the charge that the former president had been involved in ordering any wiretapping. It did not address the possibility that some branch of the government had carried out surveillance of Trump or his aides during the 2016 campaign.
“I don’t think there was an actual tap of Trump Tower,” Nunes said.
But Nunes also said that his assessment depends on how literally you take Trump’s tweets.
“I think the challenge here is, President Obama wouldn’t physically go over and wiretap Trump Tower,” he said. “So now you have to decide, Are you going to take the tweets literally? And if you are, then clearly the president is wrong.”
Earlier this week, Kellyanne Conway, a counselor to Trump, offered a rather creative suggestion for how such surveillance could have been carried out.
“There are many ways to surveil each other,” Conway told the Record, a New Jersey newspaper, on Sunday. “There was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, through certainly their television sets — any number of different ways. Microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera. So we know that is just a fact of modern life.”
0:04 / 1:18 Conway: ‘I’m not Inspector Gadget’ At a press conference in Richmond, Va., Attorney General Jeff Sessions was asked if he had briefed Trump on evidence of preelection surveillance before the president raised the issue on Twitter.
“Look,” Sessions replied. “The answer’s no.”
Under pressure, Sessions has recused himself from any investigations related to the Trump campaign following the revelation that he met twice with Russia’s ambassador to the United States during the campaign while he was an informal adviser to then-candidate Trump. During his confirmation hearings, Sessions denied having contact with Russian officials.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the ranking member on the committee, said the panel still has not received evidence from the Justice Department related to Trump’s assertion, and that it is has given the department a March 20 deadline to provide any information.
FBI Director James Comey, who was reportedly incensed by Trump’s wiretapping allegation, has agreed to testify before the committee at a public hearing on Monday.
The Justice Department on Monday asked lawmakers for more time to gather evidence related to President Trump's claim that former President Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump Tower's phones during last year's presidential campaign.
The House Intelligence Committee said it would give the Justice Department until March 20 to comply.
Current and former administration officials have been unable to provide any evidence of the Obama administration wiretapping Trump Tower, yet the president's aides have been reluctant to publicly contradict their boss.
On "Fox & Friends" this morning, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that even if the Obama administration did spy on Trump, there may never be a way to prove it.
He explained that the statutes allow the president to order the surveillance of any person in the U.S., without suspicion, probable cause or a warrant, but that would leave "fingerprints."
In this case, the alleged surveillance was reportedly ordered in a way that left no record, he said.
"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command," Napolitano said. "He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI, and he didn't use the Department of Justice."
Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.
"There's no American fingerprints on this," Napolitano said. "What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Donald Trump was inaugurated."
In a statement to Fox News, a UK government spokesperson responded, saying that "no part of this story is true."
On "Fox & Friends" this morning, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that even if the Obama administration did spy on Trump, there may never be a way to prove it.
What a load of BS. Way to press the easy button there dude! Obama is probably, maybe, most likely, guilty of wire tapping Trump. And there's probably, maybe, most likely no way to prove it now!
And this guy is a judge??? Hell, he should apply for NFL comish after Goodell is canned!
So if the British did spy on Trump, does the dossier released by a former MI6 agent, gain a lot more credence? He would be rather privy to the information.
So if the British did spy on Trump, does the dossier released by a former MI6 agent, gain a lot more credence? He would be rather privy to the information.
In a Fox News interview Wednesday, Trump contended that the word wiretap "covers a lot of different things." He said "some very interesting things" may surface in the coming weeks, without specifying what those would be.
He better do it soon. Paul Ryan just said the wiretap claim is #fakenews.
Woop there it is.
Ryan will now get thrown under the bus for the disaster healthcare plan that he wrote last weekend that we know as "TrumpCare" and soon to be known as "Von Ryans Express Exit Plan"
In a Fox News interview Wednesday, Trump contended that the word wiretap "covers a lot of different things." He said "some very interesting things" may surface in the coming weeks, without specifying what those would be.
He's used this same tactic before on other issues and never produced proof. Now he probably has to get wikileaks to help him out. That takes time to dig up something, anything even for wikileaks. Hope they find something for you and your credibility 40.
If trump was to say "someone raped my daughter", why you take it to mean that someone raped his daughter, or that someone maybe kinda did something, not exactly rape-like to his daughter?
Cause that's what you're saying. We can't take the president at his word. We have to constantly decipher a message?
Trump has already said he has more to come in the next 2 weeks.
They are sources who have proof of what Obama did and who is involved.
And according to unnamed sources Hillary Clinton is a mass murder.
It's fake.
U Don't consider the 4 dead in Benghazi mass murder?
Whatever, she isn't the president.
But on the other hand you probably think it was a huge success and consider the home that was raided in Yemen ordered by Trump, wasn't the massacre of women and children that it was, while the terrorists escaped capture.
I think at this point Trump believes you can't take him at his word. It's part of his schtik.
I think at this point everyone sees that Liberals can not comprehend what a Conservative is saying until they add enough of their own words to make it something they can hate.
I think at this point Trump believes you can't take him at his word. It's part of his schtik.
I think at this point 40 sees that Liberals can not comprehend what a Conservative is saying until they add enough of their own words to make it something they can hate.
Trump contended that the word wiretap "covers a lot of different things."
"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"
Yes, but "tapped my phones" only means one thing. lmao
To a haggard old spelling teacher who is consumed with parsing words instead of comprehending the message, yes.
You're either a funny guy or delusional. There was nothing parsed about this quote. The GOP keeps trying to use a quote from one of his other texts saying that "wire tapped" could mean different things. When someone says "tapped my phones" it only means one thing. When using that quote, no amount of your BS can change it.
Why should I ruin it for the Con? He's the sort of sucker that Trump loves for this strategy. Say something vague and let people connect the dots, then choose the best option of those connected dots. 40's just doing the leg work.
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
lmao
I'm waiting until Trump "launches a drone strike in Syria" and reports come through that it was a Tomahawk missile that hit Yemen.
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
lmao
Weird. Benghazi was "the result of a video".........til it wasn't.
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
lmao
I'm waiting until Trump "launches a drone strike in Syria" and reports come through that it was a Tomahawk missile that hit Yemen.
I wonder if the casualties in Yemen got to keep their own doctors? ... anyone know ...
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
lmao
Weird. Benghazi was "the result of a video".........til it wasn't.
Yeah, they hate the fact that when someone says "They tapped my phones" that people try to make excuses why they say it doesn't mean "They tapped my phone".
lmao
Weird. Benghazi was "the result of a video".........til it wasn't.
Glad for you that you can post pictures.
Sorry for you that you can't see the truth. But, it's what I've come to expect from you.
Fox's main source is also a 9/11 truther so there's that...
Fake News!
FOX has not released the names of their 3 sources.
No. Fox had a 9/11 Truther on named "Judge" Napolitano who said HE had three sources who said Obama put surveillance on Trump. I hope his sources aren't the same ones who told him the Jews blew up the World Trade Center.
PT just cant let it go. In two weeks, just like the birther, the 3-5 million illegal voters. Put him under oath and see if he is dumb enough to perjure himself
White House apologizes to British government over spying claims
By Ben Westcott, Dan Merica and Jim Sciutto, CNN
Updated 11:45 AM ET, Fri March 17, 2017
Story highlights Spokesman for UK Prime Minister says Britain has received assurances that claims won't be repeated White House Press Secretary read out media claims of GCHQ involvement in Trump spying
Washington (CNN) — The White House has apologized to the British government after alleging that a UK intelligence agency spied on President Donald Trump at the behest of former President Barack Obama.
National security adviser H.R. McMaster spoke with his British counterpart on Thursday about press secretary Sean Spicer's comment from the White House podium about a Fox News report that said British intelligence helped wiretap Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign, a White House official said Friday.
The official described the conversation as "cordial" where McMaster described Spicer's comment as "unintentional."
McMaster also told his counterpart that "their concerns were understood and heard and it would be relayed to the White House."
The official said there were "at least two calls" from British officials on Thursday and that the British ambassador to the United States called Spicer to discuss the comment.
"Sean was pointing to the breadth of reporting, not endorsing any specific story," the official said.
A senior administration official told CNN that Spicer and McMaster offered what amounted to an apology to the British government.
White House officials later told CNN that it was British ambassador to the US Kim Darroch and Sir Mark Lyall Grant, national security adviser to Prime Minister Theresa May, who "expressed their concerns to Sean Spicer and Gen. McMaster" in two separate conversations on Thursday.
"Mr. Spicer and Gen. McMaster explained that Mr. Spicer was simply pointing to public reports, not endorsing any specific story," one official said.
'These claims are ridiculous'
Earlier Friday, a spokesman for May said senior UK officials had protested to the Trump administration after the claims were repeated by Spicer.
"We've made clear to the US administration that these claims are ridiculous and should be ignored. We've received assurances that these allegations won't be repeated," May's spokesman said.
At a Thursday press briefing, Spicer read out allegations originally made on Tuesday on Fox News by legal analyst Andrew Napolitano, that the UK intelligence agency GCHQ -- the equivalent of the US National Security Agency -- had spied on Trump.
"Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement, quote, 'Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command (to spy on Trump). He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA ... he used GCHQ,'" Spicer told journalists.
The strong language from Downing Street -- which followed a similar, rare statement from the UK intelligence agency GCHQ -- indicated that the British government was furious that the US had made such an incendiary allegation.
GCHQ: Wiretap claims are 'nonsense'
Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Cheltenham, England.
Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Cheltenham, England.
GCHQ said the claim was "nonsense" and should be ignored. The agency rarely comments on specific operations, and almost never in such blunt terms.
Then, at a regular press briefing, Downing Street said it had sought and received reassurances that the allegations would not be repeated.
What is GCHQ?
The UK government's eavesdropping agency, it carries out electronic surveillance to combat terrorism, cyber threats and serious crime.
It's one of three UK intelligence agencies, the others being MI5, the domestic security service, and MI6, the foreign intelligence service.
GCHQ's collaboration with the United States dates back to the Second World War.
Its operations are shrouded in secrecy and it rarely makes public statements.
It has its headquarters in the English spa town of Cheltenham and says it employs more than 6,000 people.
"This shows the administration doesn't give the allegations any credence," the Downing Street spokesman said. "We have a close special relationship with the White House and that allows us to raise concerns as and when they arise, as was true in this case," he added.
Britain is particularly sensitive to any suggestion that the US would use GCHQ to keep "American fingerprints" off the spying.
UK intelligence agencies work closely with their US counterparts, as well as those in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, as part of the "Five Eyes" intelligence sharing agreement.
May's spokesman argued this pact precluded the kind of spying alleged by Napolitano, saying: "I would add as a matter of fact that under the 'Five Eyes' intelligence agreement, we cannot use each other's capabilities to circumvent the law. It's a situation that simply wouldn't arise."
Claims by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden led to questions over GCHQ's relationship with the NSA. It was censured by a UK tribunal in 2015 for not making enough information public about how it shares Internet surveillance data with its US counterpart.
Concern over claims
Susan Rice, national security adviser in the Obama administration, said Spicer's claims put the intelligence-sharing relationship between the US and UK at risk."The cost of falsely blaming our closest ally for something this consequential cannot be overstated," she wrote on Twitter.
Tim Farron, leader of the UK Liberal Democrat party -- the junior coalition partner in the last British government -- described the White House claim as "shameful" and said it risked harming US and UK security.
"Trump is compromising the vital UK-US security relationship to try to cover his own embarrassment," he tweeted.
The Senate Intelligence Committee had said on Thursday it had found no evidence Trump Tower had been under surveillance in 2016, contrary to Trump's previous claims.
"Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016," committee chair Richard Burr said.
The same day, House Speaker Paul Ryan told CNN in an interview that he also hadn't seen any evidence of a wiretap or a surveillance order against Trump Tower.
On Friday, Rep. Tom Cole, R-Oklahoma, told CNN's Manu Raju that Obama is owed an apology for Trump's "reckless" comment on wiretapping. And Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania, warned that Trump's comments and the White House's decision to dig in on the claims are undercutting the President's credibility and sapping his political capital at a time when he's trying to push a budget and health care overhaul through Congress.
Trump originally made the allegations against Obama on March 4 in a series of early morning tweets.
"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" he said on his official Twitter account.
Just under two weeks later, in an interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson, Trump appeared to walk back his original wiretapping allegations.
"Wiretap covers a lot of different things," Trump told Carlson on Wednesday. "I think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."
Although I never thought about the idea of Republicans being so on bored to blame our closest ally for wiretapping the Trump Tower. But cannot understand that Russia hacked the DNC.
Although I never thought about the idea of Republicans being so on bored to blame our closest ally for wiretapping the Trump Tower. But cannot understand that Russia hacked the DNC.
Do we have any true allies now? Even Russia has recoiled into their den of hibernation.
A lie, is a lie, is a lie. Way too late for an a apology now. I'm sure Obama and co. knows he'll never get one anyways.
Trump still not taking ownership of his false tweeted comment on wire tapping. He's now diverting reporters back to FOX news for explanation on Judge Napolitano's apparently false reports of the sources claiming Obama was involving the British in spying on Trump. The beat goes on.
"On wiretapping by this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps," Trump said to Merkel.
As Trump made that comment, the Department of Justice said it turned over information the intelligence committees sought on possible surveillance during the election. It is not clear yet what that information shows.
"On wiretapping by this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps," Trump said to Merkel.
As Trump made that comment, the Department of Justice said it turned over information the intelligence committees sought on possible surveillance during the election. It is not clear yet what that information shows.
A lie, is a lie, is a lie. Way too late for an a apology now. I'm sure Obama and co. knows he'll never get one anyways.
Trump still not taking ownership of his false tweeted comment on wire tapping. He's now diverting reporters back to FOX news for explanation on Judge Napolitano's apparently false reports of the sources claiming Obama was involving the British in spying on Trump. The beat goes on.
He is still sending Bagdad Bob out there every day to cover his lies. Trump can call at a moment the head of the CIA, FBI, NSA and he is quoting a Fox opinion piece from a guy who is a birther, 9-11 conspiracy theorist who is a infowars flunkie
Had to crack up at one of the talking heads defending Trump on CNN tonight while trying to drag Obama in as a comparison; then another talking head called him on trying to drag Obama in saying this was about Trump, the current President not the previous President. Then continued to say that Trump seems to be completely incompetent in dealing with the responsibilities of his Presidency, or maybe moreso "out of touch with reality"! lol
Feds just said there's no evidence on the wire tap claims.
Wonder if trump is gonna continue lying about it. Let's see how many trump supporters still defend this dude.
His support will continue. Blind faith has no bounds. Most of his supporters are not defending him but defending their own egos and delusions at this point, IMHO.
History will record this period of our government in very poor light I think. Dating back to the final days of the Carter Presidency leading up to today will be seen as the time we lost democracy to corporatism. Trump will not be reflected in great light but he might be the President responsible for bringing about the fall of corporatism.
Does anyone find it VERY concerning that Trump gets many of his ideas from commentators on Fox News? Or any news channel for that matter?
Fox News could spit out anything and Trump immediately takes it as truth and tweets about it. He does no background work or fact checking first.
Think about that for a second.
Thanks for making Trumps point that the Media can't be trusted and they put out fake news.
How can you call the media fake news and then tweet out what they say as truth?
Almost sounds like a guy who has been telling us about the fake news and then comes out tweeting it as truth, allowing the Left to cry, "That's Fake News!"
They now admit Trump Tower was under scrutiny. But they are saying it was the Russians they were after.
Okay, I believe you. Lets act like the tapping of Merkel never happened and that .gov never ever ever lies about anything or admits their guilt.
Stop the whining. Maybe they are giving Trump a way to save some face here.
Except they aren't. I saw this article this morning, and didn't post it. Why?
1. The target wasn't trump 2. The target wasn't the trump campaign 3. Obama didn't order the tap.
So those 3 criteria, which is what SPECIFICALLY trump alleged, didn't happen, and never happened.
So trump is still lying his ass off. But it's funny watching T and 40 try to spin this like they're contestants on wheel of fortune.
However, I was gonna leave it alone, but this does nothing but make trump look worse.
A Russian mob boss posted up in Trump tower? Lmao. For somebody who his supporters keeps claiming has zero ties to Russians, there seems to be nothing but ties to Russians.
It's funny watching crocodiles talking about draining their own swamp, and people actually believing the crocodile.
Why would .gov ever admit that they were doing something they should not. DENY DENY DENY. Even a 3 year old knows to deny deny deny.
Think for your self and question authority. Don't be a sheep.
And how nice of you to hold Trumps feet to the fire for possible ties to Russia. Did you express the same outrage over Obama's ties with Mr Ayres? I already know you will point to CNN's claim that their relationship was minor, but I am gonna ignore the unofficial DNC new outlets research into that.
All I want is a consistent playground. Conservatives have to be better because the loons on the left play with revisionist history and forget they are typically guilty of the same crap, but have some rationale as to why those instance should be ignored and forgotten.
i don't remember obama claiming that Bush wiretapped his phones.
I also don't remember the part where Obama had two security advisors fired over alleged ties to our adversaries, the Russians.
so it's a huge stretch to say that anybody is guilty of the same crap, especially when we haven't seen this level on nonsense since the nixon years, apparently.
if you want a consistent playground, then the change has to start with YOU. and since you still can't state the FACT that trump lied about a wiretap, that you still can't state the FACT that Trump's campaign has shady ties to russia, which two people have already been fired over, and an AG recused over it, then why should I or anybody else give Trump, or more specifically, yourself any credibility with regards your statements?
as the feds said, talking to russians isn't illegal. lying about it, and assisting the russians in hacks in order to win the election is.
and that's what the investigation is over. so don't complain about the dems, complain about Trump for putting HIMSELF in the situation in the first place.
takes some responsibility for once. don't be a sheep. and i am questioning authority. nobody on this board questions authority more than i do.
and guess who's authority i'm questioning? our lying ass president's.
you win. I give up. I am told to interact with left leaning people more but I find that they are as closed minded as anyone else but have the self perceived notion that they are the most enlightened and open minded of all humans.
These interactions are why isolationism works and why birds of a feather flock together. The fact that you demand I change is utterly arrogant as if the almighty Swish with his minority status and untouchable military back ground grants him tribal immunity.
I am out and heading back to my Libertarian and Conservative buddies.
dude i get attacked by everybody on this board regardless of whatever credentials or status i have.
people view me as a liberal first, combat vet second. and make no mistake, if i was conservative they would view me as combat vet first, conservative second.cause that's just the way it is.
it doesn't stop me from showing up and defending my ideology and opinions, though.
You have to be a little more understanding of the Liberal/Progressives teedub, their world is coming undone as we take our Country back, Step By Step By Step
Next up, we stack the Supreme Court. Governors, House, Senate, Supreme Court, Presidency. It is ours.
It takes a brave man/woman to defend our country and liberal, dem, GOP, conservative, alt-right, or what ever the heck the labels are being tossed around these days, I thank you unconditionally for your service. We are a safer country because of vets like you.
Same goes for any other vet or service member or public servant reading this.
They now admit Trump Tower was under scrutiny. But they are saying it was the Russians they were after.
Okay, I believe you. Lets act like the tapping of Merkel never happened and that .gov never ever ever lies about anything or admits their guilt.
The question at hand is not about FOREIGNERS (i.e. NOT American Citizens) were targeted. TOTALLY different set of laws are at play here.
Angelika Merkel is NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN therefore (albeit tacky) this is not an issue in this conversation. Surveillance on an AMERICAN CITIZEN requires judicial approval and the Pres cannot request surveillance on his own accord.
My last name starts with those three letters, I had that name before Trump was even in the running, WAY before that slogan came out. There is no relation what so ever to "Make America Great".
In fact, now that you brought it up, in the 21 years of Army service, almost 7 of those years spent on deployments preserving what we enjoy most, freedom. Excuse me if I never saw America as NOT Great. I got to see first hand how "Great America IS" when the spirit of Americans was displayed in harms way.
America has always been great. It may need some spring cleaning, but she is all we have and she is already GREAT!!!
Time will tell. I promised to give him his chance and I will stick it out, unless he is what is being said about him and/or HIS administration. I am no fan, but this is democracy and I elected to support the outcome of the American people.
I think I would be able to stomach more of him if he would Just. Stop. Tweeting. and be a President. Hard knocks are one thing, being a jerk is totally another all together.
I do not believe he was "wire tapped" by any administration. I also believe he does act upon his thoughts which seem to be a conspiracy theory mentality.
***MY OWN "LITTLE" CONSPIRACY THEORY HERE*** I think something else is lurking below the waters about to breach itself. It maybe not about him in general, but if it is his administration, then he is responsible for selecting HIS administration.
The Trump administration wants to build a 30-foot-high border wall that looks good from the north side and is difficult to climb or cut through, according to a pair of contract notices posted to a government website further detailing President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.
lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.
The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.
Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.
lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.
The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.
Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.
enlighten the board on the length of border for Israel and that of the US.
and why find a better example? El Chapo had the skills to dig tunnels. you honestly think his people don't know how, either?
or anybody else for that matter?
you seriously underestimate the human spirit, especially when it comes to figuring out ways around...well, anything.
we got people escaping maximum security prisons. you honestly think a 1000 mile + wall is hard?
Who cares how much border we have than Isreal ... Mexico's paying for it anyhow ... ....
When your veggies and fruits double in price, the new home construction takes a nose dive, and the Donor Class can't find a maid or gardener; we'll see who is paying for what.
Meanwhile it's all hot air from a bloated orange toad.
lmao, El Chapo and his homeboys are crying laughing right when they saw this.
The Israelis have been perfecting tunnel detection techniques on their border with the Gaza Strip. The United States almost certainly has access to that technology, because we helped fund it.
Going over/under/around a secure border is not nearly as easy as you make it out to be.
enlighten the board on the length of border for Israel and that of the US.
and why find a better example? El Chapo had the skills to dig tunnels. you honestly think his people don't know how, either?
or anybody else for that matter?
you seriously underestimate the human spirit, especially when it comes to figuring out ways around...well, anything.
we got people escaping maximum security prisons. you honestly think a 1000 mile + wall is hard?
Israeli borders combine for about 632 miles. Palestine, or the Palestinian territories (Gaza Strip and West Bank) combine for a little over a third of that.
The U.S. border with Mexico is about 2,000 miles. While that is indeed longer, we also have about 40 times the population and an economy that is about 60 times bigger.
Just leaving those as FYIs.
The Israeli PM's thoughts on the effectiveness of a wall:
the wall in Israel is only gonna be 440 miles. with 2/3 of that being done.
that's a half a day drive doing...eh...65 mph? that's a drive from cleveland to NY.
But the system has proved far from hermetic. Depending on the season, up to 60,000 Palestinians without work permits sneak across the barrier to work in construction, agriculture or service industries in Israel, either through gaps in the route or by utilizing the services of local smugglers. And occasionally, the system is defeated by Palestinians who carry out terrorist attacks.
so aa sharp decline in immigration to about 60k sneaking over illegally.....in tiny ass israel?
doesn't sound all that effective. it does when taken into account the issues prior, but not overall.
also, the reason the wall went up for israel is different from why we have a wall. you also need to take into account that the wall israel built, parts of it are illegally put there because of settlements, as well as the israeli army is conducting raids on a nightly basis.
^^^ you get that right?
so unless you're advocating that the US Army conduct raids on mexico.....then i dunno if Israel is the best example.
or maybe it's the only example? the most readily available example?
put it like this: you didn't really do anything to further your argument.
economy size has nothing to do with it. we all know we can fund the wall if we want to. but is it cost effective?
and will it actually do anything? again, you just compared 400 miles worth of border wall in israel to 2k worth of border wall with the US.
which doesn't account terrain features.
so one wall is being built to push military operations. the other is being built to curve illegal immigration.
so while israel's wall has had some success.....its still 400 miles of the west bank. you can secure that. sure.
but not 2k.
So let's break this down. in order for a wall to work in the US, you have to:
1. build a wall, which also has to take into account terrain features. 2. has to be deep enough to to actually DETER tunneling ( 6 feet....lmfao) 3. man the wall. 4. conduct military operations within mexico to help further prevent the number of illegals potentially crossing. 5. oh yea, and you have to get mexico to pay for it.
good luck with that.
and we didn't touch cost. again, we could pay for it. but we all know this is gonna cost waaaaaaaayyyy more than what Trump is trying to push on you guys. then you have to ask yourself:
does Trump have the backing of the majority of americans? (popular vote, current polling says no)
does Trump have the backing of americans with regards to the wall?
and if illegal immigration is going down (hint: it is) then why build a wall in the first place?
see, thats the thing. posters, as well as others on social media, have said things like "if violent crime is going down, why do we need more gun laws?"
well since illegal immigration is going down, why do we need a wall?
it's also hilarious watching Trump hold a kla....my bad, a supporter rally, talking about immigration right after his ass got throttled in the FBI hearing.
Washington (CNSNews.com) – The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has apprehended more suspected terrorists on the nation’s northern border than along its southern counterpart, CBP Commissioner Alan Bersin said Tuesday.
“In terms of the terrorist threat, it’s commonly accepted that the more significant threat” comes from the U.S.-Canada border, Bersin told a hearing of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security.
WSJ: Trump clings to wiretap claim ‘like a drunk to an empty gin bottle,’ damaging his credibility
Dylan Stableford 1 hour 4 minutes ago .
Trump hugs a U.S. flag at a rally in Tampa, Fla., in October. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
Trump hugs a U.S. flag at a rally in Tampa in October. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
President Trump is clinging to his wiretapping claim “like a drunk to an empty gin bottle,” the Wall Street Journal said in a scathing editorial published Tuesday night. And that claim, floating in the president’s “seemingly endless stream of exaggerations, evidence-free accusations, implausible denials and other falsehoods,” is severely damaging his credibility, both at home and abroad.
“If President Trump announces that North Korea launched a missile that landed within 100 miles of Hawaii, would most Americans believe him? Would the rest of the world? We’re not sure,” the paper said.
The Journal slammed Trump’s evidence-free assertion that former President Barack Obama ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower before the 2016 presidential election. Trump leveled his explosive charge on Twitter on March 4, and the White House has refused to back down, even after FBI Director James Comey dismissed the allegation as unfounded.
“He has offered no evidence for his claim, and a parade of intelligence officials, senior Republicans and Democrats have since said they have seen no such evidence,” the paper’s editorial board wrote.
The president has plenty of media critics, and the Journal’s editorial board was not particularly supportive of his candidacy. But the editorial is striking, given the paper’s traditionally conservative tone. Its owner, Rupert Murdoch, also owns Fox News, Trump’s favorite cable news network.
“Two months into his presidency, Gallup has Mr. Trump’s approval rating at 39 percent,” the editorial continued. “No doubt Mr. Trump considers that fake news, but if he doesn’t show more respect for the truth, most Americans may conclude he’s a fake President.”
The paper also pointed out how Trump’s refusal to back off his evidence-free claim has co-opted what could have been a positive news cycle.
“This week should be dominated by the smooth political sailing for Mr. Trump’s Supreme Court nominee and the progress of health-care reform on Capitol Hill,” the editorial said. “These are historic events, and success will show he can deliver on his promises. But instead, the week has been dominated by the news that he was repudiated by his own FBI director.” Comey says 'no information' to support Trump wiretap claim
During Monday's House Intelligence Committee hearing, FBI Director James Comey said he had "no information" to support President Trump's tweets that he had been wiretapped by President Obama.
The Journal wasn’t the only paper to publish a Trump takedown Tuesday. In an op-ed for the Washington Post, former Obama national security adviser Susan Rice warned that false statements from the Trump White House “are part of a disturbing pattern of behavior that poses real and potentially profound dangers to U.S. national security.”
“First impressions matter,” she wrote, “and an unsettling pattern has already been established.”
“The foundation of the United States’ unrivaled global leadership rests only in part on our military might, the strength of our economy and the power of our ideals,” Rice explained. “It is also grounded in the perception that the United States is steady, rational and fact-based. To lead effectively, the United States must maintain respect and trust. So, when a White House deliberately dissembles and serially contorts the facts, its actions pose a serious risk to America’s global leadership, among friends and adversaries alike.”
Following Comey’s testimony, the New York Times published an op-ed titled “All the President’s Lies.”
“The ninth week of Donald Trump’s presidency began with the F.B.I. director calling him a liar,” the Times’ David Leonhardt wrote. “Comey didn’t use the L-word in his congressional testimony Monday. Comey serves at the pleasure of the president, after all. But his meaning was clear as could be.”
“I’ve previously argued that not every untruth deserves to be branded with the L-word, because it implies intent and somebody can state an untruth without doing so knowingly,” Leonhardt continued. “But the current president of the United States lies. He lies in ways that no American politician ever has before. He has lied about — among many other things — Obama’s birthplace, John F. Kennedy’s assassination, Sept. 11, the Iraq War, ISIS, NATO, military veterans, Mexican immigrants, Muslim immigrants, anti-Semitic attacks, the unemployment rate, the murder rate, the Electoral College, voter fraud and his groping of women.
“He tells so many untruths that it’s time to leave behind the textual parsing over which are unwitting and which are deliberate,” Leonhardt added, “as well as the condescending notion that most of Trump’s supporters enjoy his lies.”
I'm beginning to think he actually wants to expose top players of the Republican party for what they truly are and he doesn't care what happens to his presidency or legacy. I can't think of any other explanation that makes sense.
But people talked about it long ago during the election that he just has to get the last punch in and can not say I am sorry or I was wrong. Just not able to
But people talked about it long ago during the election that he just has to get the last punch in and can not say I am sorry or I was wrong. Just not able to
He was trained from a very young age to never say you're wrong or to apologize. It's ingrained in him. He's programmed that way. To direct and divert away from weaknesses. People like this go to great lengths to cover flaws. Hence the baggy suits, hair comb over, hair coloring, Tax evasion. You name it. These are the same people that are first to point out the flaws of others. Bullies are bullies because they feel they are the ones being picked on.
Trump team communications captured by intelligence community surveillance, Nunes says
Members of the intelligence community collected ‘incidental’ communications of the Trump transition team during legal surveillance operations, producing ‘dozens’ of reports which eventually unmasked several individuals’ identities and which were ‘widely disseminated,’ a top lawmaker said Wednesday afternoon.
House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.
“I recently confirmed on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected intelligence,” Nunes said.
The revelations appear to at least partially back up allegations made by Trump earlier this month, in which he tweeted that former President Barack Obama had "wiretapped" him.
House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.
So Obama still never tapped his 'wires'. No comment?
In the surveillance state we live in created under GWB, there is a fair chance we are all incidentally collected every few months... AND 'transition Team" = election over. Doesn't know if Trump was collected. Doesn't know if it was at Trump Towers.
So basically this proves nothing for Trump, but wave your proof flag 40, wave your flag.
No disrespect, but I am waiting for FACTS before I respond to this piece-mail. I want documents with signatures on the bottom from the officials conducting the investigations. No "fake news" or speculation gets my attention.
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Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ......
Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ......
BREAKING NEWS: Republican intelligence committee chairman says Obama administration surveillance collected 'incidental' info on Trump's transition team – but isn't prepared to call it 'spying'
-Devin Nunes stunned Washington by suggesting that President Donald Trump was right – sort of – when he claimed he was 'wiretapped' by Obama
-Intelligence collected on his transition team was 'incidental,' meaning Trump's insiders weren't targeted
-But 'dozens of reports' from inside the U.S. Intelligence Community confirm that the Obama administration's surveillance swept up Trump's people in its net
-Nunes said there were names 'unmasked' by the intel reports, which are supposed to black out names of Americans who are not investigative targets
Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ......
We are really quick to use someone else's past to cover up the present.
I am not defending Obama nor am I backing up your sarcasm, but this is a NEW administration with their OWN morales and are their OWN grown men running this country. If we allow this behavior to continue, we are going to be going down this road in 4 years, again (2 years for house) and then it will swing in the other direction.
Who suffers in all of this bickering and childish behavior? Our children, our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, et al. I am for having multiple parties for Checks and Balances, but sheesh, people defend a political stance as if someone was testing their religious faith. It's petty and BS.
We have our views, now we just need to work towards having government work for the American People, with bipartisanship.
We are really quick to use someone else's past to cover up the present.
Don't ASS-U-ME mag ... u oughta know better ... I'll be respectful as so far you've earned it ...
Before i start .. Thanks for your service ...
I didn't cover anything up ... i think Trump is DEAD NUTS WRONG on this one ... so u more than likely won't see me "covering" anything up on this one ... don't mistake my sarcasm and trashing of oBUMa as a defense for Donnie ... I know it doesn't work that way, that was solely to point out the hypocrisy of the libs on here ... when something goes wrong in my life .. first and only place i go to assign blame is the MIRROR ... then its all about problem resolution and moving forward ...
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I am not defending Obama nor am I backing up your sarcasm, but this is a NEW administration with their OWN morales and are their OWN grown men running this country. If we allow this behavior to continue, we are going to be going down this road in 4 years, again (2 years for house) and then it will swing in the other direction.
I'm all for stopping the BS ... its been going for the last 30 years ... and were the ones that suffer .... look at how our politicians on both sides talk to us ... its ridiculous ... listening to Shurmer, Pelosi or Ryan is a JOKE ... its emberassing how they talk to us .... if it were up to me .. we'd vote every incumbent out in the next election ... EVERY ONE .. just to send a message ...
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Who suffers in all of this bickering and childish behavior? Our children, our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, et al. I am for having multiple parties for Checks and Balances, but sheesh, people defend a political stance as if someone was testing their religious faith. It's petty and BS.
I agree .. i was a republican until 25 years or so ago ... left the party then ... since then ... I voted for the rapist twice and the rest repubs up top ... sat out oBUMa/McCain .. i tried to pull the lever for McCain .. but it was just to heavy ... *L* ... down ballot I been slightly leaning repub but have voted for many more dems than i ever thought i would ...
Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ......
We are really quick to use someone else's past to cover up the present..
Don't let it get to ya. Diam is the kind of person that probably would have spit on U.S. servicemen returning home after the Vietnam War.
Come on 40 ... based off his and his admin's history of beiing honest and telling us the truth ... I'm sure oBUMa or his admin had nothing to do with this .. NOTHING ..... NO WAY would he sick and agency after an individual or group ... NO WAY ... him and his admin definetly earned my respect with their truthfulness and straightforwardness when it comes to keeping us informed ......
We are really quick to use someone else's past to cover up the present..
Don't let it get to ya. Diam is the kind of person that probably would have spit on U.S. servicemen returning home after the Vietnam War.
Hard to have a discussion with someone like that mag ... real real hard ...
We are really quick to use someone else's past to cover up the present.
Don't ASS-U-ME mag ... u oughta know better ... I'll be respectful as so far you've earned it ...
Before i start .. Thanks for your service ...
I didn't cover anything up ... i think Trump is DEAD NUTS WRONG on this one ... so u more than likely won't see me "covering" anything up on this one ... don't mistake my sarcasm and trashing of oBUMa as a defense for Donnie ... I know it doesn't work that way, that was solely to point out the hypocrisy of the libs on here ... when something goes wrong in my life .. first and only place i go to assign blame is the MIRROR ... then its all about problem resolution and moving forward ...
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I am not defending Obama nor am I backing up your sarcasm, but this is a NEW administration with their OWN morales and are their OWN grown men running this country. If we allow this behavior to continue, we are going to be going down this road in 4 years, again (2 years for house) and then it will swing in the other direction.
I'm all for stopping the BS ... its been going for the last 30 years ... and were the ones that suffer .... look at how our politicians on both sides talk to us ... its ridiculous ... listening to Shurmer, Pelosi or Ryan is a JOKE ... its emberassing how they talk to us .... if it were up to me .. we'd vote every incumbent out in the next election ... EVERY ONE .. just to send a message ...
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Who suffers in all of this bickering and childish behavior? Our children, our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, et al. I am for having multiple parties for Checks and Balances, but sheesh, people defend a political stance as if someone was testing their religious faith. It's petty and BS.
I agree .. i was a republican until 25 years or so ago ... left the party then ... since then ... I voted for the rapist twice and the rest repubs up top ... sat out oBUMa/McCain .. i tried to pull the lever for McCain .. but it was just to heavy ... *L* ... down ballot I been slightly leaning repub but have voted for many more dems than i ever thought i would ...
Likewise, never mistake me for worshipping at the alter of the Democrats... I used to be a Republican. But the older I've got the more they have swung to the right and lost their basic human decency.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out Trump is right about Obama, no more surprised than to find out Trump conspired with the Russians. I don't really trust those in power anywhere in the world to do what is right for anyone but themselves.
With that said though, my politics are progressive liberal these days due to the caring about people in general. I vote as an independent and have a pretty strong dislike of both parties in general.
40 and I go at each other on here as do a few others, but that is as much about the sport as beliefs for me. I'm pretty passionate about being decent to people and looking out for the common man before the Donor Class, but until Trump took the white house I always tried to support whoever was POTUS. Trump has not earned that from me, probably never will.
In the surveillance state we live in created under GWB, and greatly expanded under Obama, there is a fair chance we are all incidentally collected every few months...
I almost (90%) agree with EVERYTHING you have stated, minus:
I never assumed you said anything. I used your post as it was clearly the best example at the time. Please forgive me for generalizing and including your post into a broad observation.
I, as well as you, have seen, whether it be Dem or GOP, how the present administration blames or takes credit where it has no business belonging. This is where I used your post to illustrate this.
OH! I am sorry! Thank you for your kind words, as I am pretty sure Swish and other service men and women would agree, we didn't do it to make money, so it was/is our pleasure!
your credibility 40. 
