After careful consideration, my family and I decided it'd be best for us to remain in Alaska and attend my sister's wedding via FaceTime/Skype.
Our school district has very tight policies for those who travel out of state, and we'd end up missing a large chunk of work if we would leave in September.
This sucks a bit, but I'm glad my family understands. Hopefully we get the vaccine working and we can celebrate at her reception next summer.
After careful consideration, my family and I decided it'd be best for us to remain in Alaska and attend my sister's wedding via FaceTime/Skype.
Our school district has very tight policies for those who travel out of state, and we'd end up missing a large chunk of work if we would leave in September.
This sucks a bit, but I'm glad my family understands. Hopefully we get the vaccine working and we can celebrate at her reception next summer.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the Ohio numbers are almost entirely being driven by downtown Cincy, downtown Columbus, and Cuyahoga county. I'm a couple counties north of downtown Cinci... so while I'm not acting like I'm in the clear, I'm also not freaking out.
After careful consideration, my family and I decided it'd be best for us to remain in Alaska and attend my sister's wedding via FaceTime/Skype.
Our school district has very tight policies for those who travel out of state, and we'd end up missing a large chunk of work if we would leave in September.
This sucks a bit, but I'm glad my family understands. Hopefully we get the vaccine working and we can celebrate at her reception next summer.
It does suck, but I think you are making the wise choice.
Yes, and no. We're all going to die. I only know of 1 person that I knew personally, that said she was ready.
But, the bottom line is, while confirmed cases are going up due to more testing, hospitilazations and deaths are not.
I said before (I think) that I have a nephew and his wife that are quarantined because they had direct contact with someone that tested positive. A man I knew, from being in the same business as he was, is intubated in Ft. Wayne, and his wife has the virus as well. She's fine, and was only tested because her husband had it.
Once again, you are talking about people testing positive. Test more, more will test positive, period.
As I've stated countless times, the cdc has said there are probably 10 times more people that have it than are shown now. The only hard numbers we have are deaths, and hospitalizations, and those haven't moved much at all.
Record spikes in U.S. coronavirus cases push up hospitalization rates in 16 states
The U.S. reported more than 34,400 coronavirus cases on Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of Johns Hopkins University data, after health officials in California, Florida and Texas all reported record-high single-day spikes.
As of Wednesday, the nation’s seven-day average of daily new Covid-19 cases was 31,172. This number has increased more than 34% compared with a week ago, according to the analysis of Johns Hopkins data. Cases are growing by 5% or more in 31 states across the U.S., including Arizona, Florida, Texas and California.
Twelve states hit record highs in daily new cases on Wednesday based on their seven-day average, the analysis found. They include Arizona, Arkansas, California and Florida. Arizona also hit a record high in average daily new deaths with a seven-day average of nearly 31 new lives lost.
Coronavirus hospitalizations, like new cases and deaths, are an important measure of the outbreak as it helps health officials gauge how severe it may be.
Hospitalizations from Covid-19 are also rising in 16 states as of Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of data compiled by the Covid Tracking Project.
Some states are hitting new highs every week as the number of cases continues to rise at an alarming rate. While some of these surges can be attributed to increases in testing, hospitalizations from Covid-19 have also grown substantially.
The California Department of Public Health reported its second straight record jump in coronavirus cases on Wednesday, adding 7,149 new cases. The previous highest spike in daily new cases was 5,019, reported on Tuesday by the state’s department of health.
“We cannot continue to do what we have done over the last number of weeks. Many of us understandably developed a little cabin fever, some I would argue developed a little amnesia, others have frankly taken down their guard,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom said at a press briefing Wednesday.
As of June 24, the state is seeing a seven-day average of nearly 4,732 daily new cases, according to Johns Hopkins data. This number has increased by more than 43% compared with a week ago.
About 4,814 people are hospitalized in California based on a seven-day moving average, which is almost a 9% increase compared with a week ago, according to Covid Tracking Project data.
While Newsom said the state administered a record number of tests, nearly 96,000 in the last 24 hours, the positivity rate of these tests has slightly increased in the last two weeks, sitting at 5.1% on a 14-day average.
Florida health officials also reported another record single-day surge in coronavirus cases on Wednesday. The state’s Department of Health added 5,508 new cases, bringing the total to 109,014. The previous record single-day jump in new cases was 4,094 reported on Saturday by the state.
As of Wednesday, Florida is seeing a seven-day average of 3,756 new cases, which is about a 71% increase compared with a week ago, according to Johns Hopkins.
In addition to the rise in cases, the percentage of positive test results is also growing, indicating that the surge is not due to ramped-up testing. The state’s health department reported that 15.91% of all tests came back positive Wednesday, up from 10.82% the day before.
While Florida has been reporting an increase in the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases for the past few weeks, Gov. Ron DeSantis said last week that the state would not reimplement more restrictions to mitigate the spread of the virus. However, on Thursday he said the state had no plans to ease additional restrictions.
On Wednesday, Texas health officials said they added 5,551 new cases, setting a new record single-day increase in coronavirus cases. The previous highest spike in daily new cases was 5,489 reported on Tuesday by the state’s health department.
Texas is averaging 4,347 new cases per day over the past seven days, which is about an 80% increase since one week ago, according to data from Johns Hopkins.
In an interview with TV station KBTX in San Antonio on Tuesday, Gov. Greg Abbott urged residents to wear a mask and practice social distancing to prevent infection.
“The hospitalization rate is at an all-time high. Coronavirus is spreading in Brazos County and across the entire state of Texas, which is exactly why action is being taken,” he said. “The safest place for you is at your home.”
Then, on Thursday, Abbott paused the state’s reopening plans and ordered hospital officials in four hard-hit counties to halt elective surgeries.
There are 3,563 people hospitalized in Texas based on a seven-day moving average, which is nearly a 53% increase compared with a week ago, according
I noticed on the GA covid county map that they have been changing the values of the colors in the legend. They have been raising them so the counties dont seem to be getting worse colors. Talk about moving the goalposts to fool people.
That's another important factor in response to those trying to use the excuse, "Yeah, but we're testing more, so."
The percentage of those tested being positive. It shows that cases are going up on a per capita tested basis and not that it's in response to more testing as a whole.
Yes, and no. We're all going to die. I only know of 1 person that I knew personally, that said she was ready.
But, the bottom line is, while confirmed cases are going up due to more testing, hospitilazations and deaths are not.
I said before (I think) that I have a nephew and his wife that are quarantined because they had direct contact with someone that tested positive. A man I knew, from being in the same business as he was, is intubated in Ft. Wayne, and his wife has the virus as well. She's fine, and was only tested because her husband had it.
So, yes, and no.
The deaths are constantly going up. We are almost to 130,000 now. With the 2nd wave in full force in much of the South, it will continue to go up. Hospital ICUs in Dallas and Houston, as well as other major cities, are at or near capacity. Last week we had a record number of new cases nationwide. The curve has become unflattened and what we feared in March is hitting right now. People became complacent and everything was opened too soon with no plan from the madman in the White House. What was needed was massive testing and BACKTRACING systems in place and THEN to slowly open back up. So when a hot spot presented it could be dealt with quickly and efficiently. Now? The plan in Washington is to pretend there is no problem. The ostrich plan. More Americans have died of Covid than died in the first world war. I have no plans to break quarantine until next year when hopefully a vaccine is ready. I know a lot of people don't have that ability and I feel so bad that so many have to be exposed. A friend of mine in Norway caught it and Covid is terrible. She was lucky and is mostly over it now but it took a LONG time to recover with many setbacks along the way.
You had me........until you started using the city hospitals as an example.
I do not know, and I'm sure you are much smarter than me, but, unlike NY did, shipping people to nursing homes, .............well, let me put it this way: Around here, IF you are sick enough to seek medical attention, they check you, then if you're positive, they send you to toledo. Hey, I was just at our local hospital earlier this week. No cars....well, 4.
In. N.E. Indiana, same thing. Positive, and sick? To Fort Wayne you go. The "hospitals are over run" is a misnomer, as in "a few central hospitals" are getting full.
Of course deaths are constantly going up. The virus is still out there, and, get this: short of a proven vaccine, people will continue to get infected.
Mad man in the whitehouse? I was not aware governors were not allowed to make decisions for their states. I missed that. My bad.
I am glad you are fortunate enough to shelter at home until next year. Kudo's to you.
We have to open up, but we have to remain smart. Wear masks, social distance.
maybe we are now more aware and can manage it a bit better, but it is still here. Just because we have opened back up to a degree, it doesn't mean the crud isn't still here.
I'm curious how many of these cases can be traced back to the protests?
That would be valuable information in trying to determine if the spike is through natural spread and looser restrictions or an more of an anomaly from the large gatherings.
I'm curious how many of these cases can be traced back to the protests?
That would be valuable information in trying to determine if the spike is through natural spread and looser restrictions or an more of an anomaly from the large gatherings.
I'm curious how many of these cases can be traced back to the protests?
That would be valuable information in trying to determine if the spike is through natural spread and looser restrictions or an more of an anomaly from the large gatherings.
Don't blame Black Lives Matter protests for the spike in coronavirus cases across the US
“In major cities including New York, Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington, DC, and Chicago, where numerous protests have taken place in recent weeks, numbers of new coronavirus cases are actually declining, despite widespread testing. Coronavirus cases are also trending downward in Minnesota, the state where Floyd was killed, and where the protests started.”
'No Evidence' Black Lives Matter Protests Caused COVID-19 Spike: Study
“A study using data from Black Lives Matters protests across 315 of America's largest cities found "no evidence" in the following two and a half weeks that they caused a spike in the number of new COVID-19 cases.”
No Coronavirus Spike From Black Lives Matter Protests in Bay Area, Experts Say
“We find no evidence that net COVID-19 case growth differentially rose following the onset of Black Lives Matter protests, and even modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.'National Bureau of Economic Research working paper.”
———————————————- Being outside and wearing masks is known to be generally ‘safe’. The BLM protesters aren’t indoors at political rallies railing against mask wearing.
I'm curious how many of these cases can be traced back to the protests?
That would be valuable information in trying to determine if the spike is through natural spread and looser restrictions or an more of an anomaly from the large gatherings.
Don't blame Black Lives Matter protests for the spike in coronavirus cases across the US
“In major cities including New York, Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington, DC, and Chicago, where numerous protests have taken place in recent weeks, numbers of new coronavirus cases are actually declining, despite widespread testing. Coronavirus cases are also trending downward in Minnesota, the state where Floyd was killed, and where the protests started.”
'No Evidence' Black Lives Matter Protests Caused COVID-19 Spike: Study
“A study using data from Black Lives Matters protests across 315 of America's largest cities found "no evidence" in the following two and a half weeks that they caused a spike in the number of new COVID-19 cases.”
No Coronavirus Spike From Black Lives Matter Protests in Bay Area, Experts Say
“We find no evidence that net COVID-19 case growth differentially rose following the onset of Black Lives Matter protests, and even modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.'National Bureau of Economic Research working paper.”
———————————————- Being outside and wearing masks is known to be generally ‘safe’. The BLM protesters aren’t indoors at political rallies railing against mask wearing.
I am going to have a procedure done on my back in a little while, and I have to go have a COVID-19 test done in advance of it. Doctor's office said that it is a drive-thru at St E's Boardman. lol
I am going to have a procedure done on my back in a little while, and I have to go have a COVID-19 test done in advance of it. Doctor's office said that it is a drive-thru at St E's Boardman. lol
I just did one of those drive thru tests. Not to worry you, but that was one miserable experience. After they power rape and scrape your schnozz you have to drive away while your eyes are watering and you're on the edge of a monster sneeze.
I am going to have a procedure done on my back in a little while, and I have to go have a COVID-19 test done in advance of it. Doctor's office said that it is a drive-thru at St E's Boardman. lol
I just did one of those drive thru tests. Not to worry you, but that was one miserable experience. After they power rape and scrape your schnozz you have to drive away while your eyes are watering and your on the edge of a monster sneeze.
My wife had the nose one done and I had the throat. We compared experiences are think the nose one is better.
My wife had the nose swab test. She's tough, but she winced when they stuck it up in there. I drove her there and home, so that was a help.
My kids and I did the blood test because you can the results in about 15 minutes. However, someone told me the swab was more accurate. Not sure if that is true or not.
So? This doesn't make it alright to not wear a mask or to act like it proves some conspiracy... I don't get the point of even posting it.
Yeah, it seems like they are trying to make it out to be more than it should, he didn't remove the mask he pulled it down. Didn't seem like he was near anyone. What's the big deal?
Maybe had he taken it all the way off and threw it away, but he just pulled it down.
So? This doesn't make it alright to not wear a mask or to act like it proves some conspiracy... I don't get the point of even posting it.
Yeah, it seems like they are trying to make it out to be more than it should, he didn't remove the mask he pulled it down. Didn't seem like he was near anyone. What's the big deal?
Maybe had he taken it all the way off and threw it away, but he just pulled it down.
I take mine off once I am clear of people.
I hate wearing the thing, so when I'm clear of the door/landing of the grocery store that thing is off my face. I somehow manage to take it off even when my hands are full.
Was it just L.A. County or elsewhere in CA? There had been some big numbers.
I was looking at the #s this past weekend, and LA county is driving the CA numbers just like NY was driving the US numbers back when this whole thing started in the US. Other metropolitan areas are up, but you have to lump like 4 of them together to add up to what LA is doing.
Was it just L.A. County or elsewhere in CA? There had been some big numbers.
I was looking at the #s this past weekend, and LA county is driving the CA numbers just like NY was driving the US numbers back when this whole thing started in the US. Other metropolitan areas are up, but you have to lump like 4 of them together to add up to what LA is doing.
The numbers are up in several counties, LA is just waaaaaay worse than the others. Living in LA I can see why. I have friends and family members who have gone back to nearly normal life and/or who have been called back to work.
So? This doesn't make it alright to not wear a mask or to act like it proves some conspiracy... I don't get the point of even posting it.
Yeah, it seems like they are trying to make it out to be more than it should, he didn't remove the mask he pulled it down. Didn't seem like he was near anyone. What's the big deal?
Maybe had he taken it all the way off and threw it away, but he just pulled it down.
I take mine off once I am clear of people.
I think the point is that the only reason he had it on was for the cameras. It was literally a show piece. If it wasn't, he would have left it up.
Control was always an illusion. Lockdowns and keeping businesses closed was unsustainable. Keeping people confined to their homes was bad for mental health all-around - even Fauci says so.
The only way through this is to go through it. Do what we can to mitigate the impact along the way, but we simply have to go through. There is just far too much time between now and end-game to sit idly in place and wait.
Most everyone with power, everywhere, was slow to act.... but, it doesn't actually matter. The spread would be what it is one way or another. Once it escaped China, the current state of the world was a foregone conclusion. It would only matter in degrees of severity at varying times. It's just the nature of this thing - you cannot test enough people often enough and reliably enough to contain it and it isn't the sort that burns itself out, so, by virtue of that, it WILL end up everywhere.
Tell that to Singapore, Thailand, and a bunch of other nations that followed strict mask wearing guidelines and who’s citizens and leaders didn’t act like petulant children when asked to act on their fellow countrymen’s behalf. Our country screwed this up big time. Many countries are doing MUCH better.
Tell that to Singapore, Thailand, and a bunch of other nations that followed strict mask wearing guidelines and who’s citizens and leaders didn’t act like petulant children when asked to act on their fellow countrymen’s behalf. Our country screwed this up big time. Many countries are doing MUCH better.
IMO, part of it is because for many many years, we have been a divided nation. Always challenging what the other side says.
Had this not been handled by politicians, and left to the health experts, the guidelines may have been followed by more people.
Anytime a politician shows up on TV and requires something, you will have 2 sides as far as compliance. This is the US, and there is always that segment that will stand up and claim constitutional rights and fight it, even if they know it's correct.
Most everyone with power, everywhere, was slow to act.... but, it doesn't actually matter. The spread would be what it is one way or another. Once it escaped China, the current state of the world was a foregone conclusion. It would only matter in degrees of severity at varying times. It's just the nature of this thing - you cannot test enough people often enough and reliably enough to contain it and it isn't the sort that burns itself out, so, by virtue of that, it WILL end up everywhere.
It spread but we are doing among the worst at containing it (maybe only Brazil has been worse).
Testing is only part of the solution. We haven’t done any contact tracing when it is a proven way of slowing the virus.
IMO, part of it is because for many many years, we have been a divided nation. Always challenging what the other side says.
Had this not been handled by politicians, and left to the health experts, the guidelines may have been followed by more people.
I find this very confusing. Health experts don't "have a side". The principal person who made it about "sides" was the president. Up until that point people were listening to the health experts and using some common sense.
IMO, part of it is because for many many years, we have been a divided nation. Always challenging what the other side says.
Had this not been handled by politicians, and left to the health experts, the guidelines may have been followed by more people.
I find this very confusing. Health experts don't "have a side". The principal person who made it about "sides" was the president. Up until that point people were listening to the health experts and using some common sense.
That was my point, that once politicians start making the speeches and instructing people what to do or not do, then it becomes more about parties/sides/agendas and not about the overall health of the public, in the eyes of many.
This is a health crisis, the only ones that should have been presenting information and guidelines are the health professionals, not the politicians.
The problem is the responsibility was left to each individual state. The people who were presenting the information was the healthcare professionals. They were even recommending guidelines as we saw when Fauci gave the guidelines for reopening the country.
The responsibility to set the guidelines and restrictions however often are not within the power of those professionals to set. The power to enact those guidelines into law often lie in the hands of government officials.
Now if your assertion is that we need to overhaul the way that works I certainly agree with you.
Additionally, the power of those governments to enact certain things only exists during the duration of an emergency order and otherwise need that state's legislature to enact something more permanent/lasting.
And, I disagree that it needs an overhaul... there should absolutely not be an end-around loophole that circumvents the need for a legislature to act. There are very good reasons emergency orders/powers are time limited and that heads of departments cannot make de facto law.
Is it inconvenient in times like this? Probably a bit, yes. It is still very, very necessary.
The problem is the responsibility was left to each individual state. The people who were presenting the information was the healthcare professionals. They were even recommending guidelines as we saw when Fauci gave the guidelines for reopening the country.
The responsibility to set the guidelines and restrictions however often are not within the power of those professionals to set. The power to enact those guidelines into law often lie in the hands of government officials.
Now if your assertion is that we need to overhaul the way that works I certainly agree with you.
I guess we see it differently as to what took place, as I saw the professionals make guidelines and suggestions and politicians deciding if they wanted to follow those or not.
We always had conflicting information, on top of the information changing at such a rapid pace, people just got to a point that they didn't know who or what to believe or follow.
Those declarations and orders are limited in scope and to enforce anything beyond that scope requires legislatures to write bills and pass votes to enact something more lasting. Emergency orders only exist to buy time for legislatures to get up to speed and gain a clearer picture in a time of crisis. Not one legislative body anywhere has taken it upon themselves to enact anything more lasting than any short-term emergency order.
They are limited in scope. To what extent that limit exists is up for debate.
No, not really. Timeframes and what can be done is actually pretty clearly defined by existing law.
This is the reason DeWine couches everything in terms of being a recommendation - he can't declare people MUST do thing without facing a legal battle because his state of emergency has expired and cannot be extended without a legislative vote.
Have it your way. Nothing can be done legally to help prevent the spread of a pandemic or require citizens to show an ounce of common decency to others unless they "feel like it". Murica!
Unless we can get divided politicians to agree on it.
Frightening to see us become Italy times 30 on a daily basis.
Stay home and wear a mask if you go out around people.
I’ve got another shipment of N95’s arriving Friday. I don’t go into public without one on. Haven’t for months. I only wear a cloth mask when visiting with friends outdoors, social distanced. I also wear a cloth mask in my shop, but it’s just me and my buddy. We keep the two man doors open and the big garage door open for good ventilation. If we have to work in close proximity I pull an N95 on. Good luck out there. Be safe. Stay home if you can. Mask up when you can’t.
I can briefly take all emotion out of the COVID-19 discussion... I am fascinated how positivity rates can vary so much.
Is it because AZ is basically experiencing its first surge, and they don't have their processes down like NY? How about CA, this is their second surge, you'd think they would have their stuff together, right?
In some areas hospitals are already hitting critical mass. I wonder, should we learn from what those places did wrong before everyone else hits critical mass? Or should we just wait until it happens like they have done?
I think a lot of the states that opened up early and laughed in the face of restrictions are getting hit the hardest. Most of those states have Republican leadership.
It's really strange. Here in Nevada the numbers are going up. But I probably have close to a dozen anecdotal accounts from people I know that work in or for hospitals and people I know who's spouses work in or for hospitals that say the hospitals are very slow.
Seems like we have a high number of asymptomatic cases here in Nevada.
It seems your gov. has learned his lesson from watching other states and is being proactive in preventing your hospitals from being overrun before it starts...
Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak Issues Mandatory Face Mask Order Effective on Friday
Everyone who goes out in public will have to wear a face mask
Agreed. They had a very callous and cavalier attitude towards it and are now paying the price. Problem is it could spread to other states that are doing better and cause a delay in the country getting a handle on it. This started at the beginning of March. If guidelines were followed strictly by all the states we would be way ahead of the curve by now.
I think a lot of the states that opened up early and laughed in the face of restrictions are getting hit the hardest. Most of those states have Republican leadership.
No. I'm not talking about total cases or new case counts. I'm talking about the % of tests that come back positive. Recently I saw that NY is like 1%, while AZ is something like 1/4 of all CVD tests come back positive.
I think a lot of the states that opened up early and laughed in the face of restrictions are getting hit the hardest. Most of those states have Republican leadership.
No. I'm not talking about total cases or new case counts. I'm talking about the % of tests that come back positive. Recently I saw that NY is like 1%, while AZ is something like 1/4 of all CVD tests come back positive.
Could it be that NY ended up inadvertently doing herd immunity? It seems that many people are positive and show little to no symptoms, so is it possible that NY had a lot more positives than they ever tested so most are immune for now, so spread has slowed.
While other parts of the country went into lock down and rather than keeping the people isolated from the virus, they ended up keeping the virus isolated from the people, which now that people are out and about it's free to go rampant now?
I think a lot of the states that opened up early and laughed in the face of restrictions are getting hit the hardest. Most of those states have Republican leadership.
No. I'm not talking about total cases or new case counts. I'm talking about the % of tests that come back positive. Recently I saw that NY is like 1%, while AZ is something like 1/4 of all CVD tests come back positive.
Could it be that NY ended up inadvertently doing herd immunity? It seems that many people are positive and show little to no symptoms, so is it possible that NY had a lot more positives than they ever tested so most are immune for now, so spread has slowed.
While other parts of the country went into lock down and rather than keeping the people isolated from the virus, they ended up keeping the virus isolated from the people, which now that people are out and about it's free to go rampant now?
If the reports are true that this spreads slowly and continuously through circulated air and is particularly potent when being in an enclosed space with other people for a sustained period of time, I could see this have happened in NY with how people basically live in crowded buildings and share air.
Could it be that NY ended up inadvertently doing herd immunity? It seems that many people are positive and show little to no symptoms, so is it possible that NY had a lot more positives than they ever tested so most are immune for now, so spread has slowed.
Or people in certain states are taking the guidelines/mandates more seriously?
Also, some states, New York for example, require masks when out in public.
It's not a bad theory at first glance. However, to believe that one would have to believe that happened in almost every country that is doing so much better than we are at the present time against the virus. That's when the idea seems a little more far fetched.
Yet folks still cry because they can't jump on a plane and travel around around the world at the drop of a hat.
If I could get to Thailand and stay until this is over I would. I’d be far safer in that country than here. Check their COVID numbers. Plus, If I did get sick the cost would be nothing compared to this country.
I can’t wait till I can travel again. Our feckless leadership now has us banned. Likely until a vaccine.
Fox News 8 sayin Put-in-Bay gonna be a hotbed of Covid cases after the holiday weekend.
Something about the old saying, "young and dumb" comes to mind".
So it's ok to gather in large groups for protests and riots but not ok to gather for anything else? I think thats part of the problem here. People see other large groups gathering and probably say "screw it, they aren't social distancing so why should I?"
Fox News 8 sayin Put-in-Bay gonna be a hotbed of Covid cases after the holiday weekend.
Something about the old saying, "young and dumb" comes to mind".
So it's ok to gather in large groups for protests and riots but not ok to gather for anything else? I think thats part of the problem here. People see other large groups gathering and probably say "screw it, they aren't social distancing so why should I?"
May I ask where TTT said it was okay to gather in large groups for protests and riots?
I know several people (including family members) who are planning on going to parties this weekend or hosting parties of their own. (I live in LA County, the place with 2000 new cases per day.)
People just don't get it and are not capable of putting others first.
The more people that get it, the fewer places it has to spread.
Your constant endorsement of the insane Swedish model is asinine.
I'd imagine you've read about how a large majority of people are stuck with lung damage, regardless of if people have a moderate or sever case, for months with uncertainty if quality of life will get back to normal?
Please educate yourself, Prp. This is dangerous thinking.
Reuters U.S. coronavirus cases rise by nearly 50,000 in biggest one-day spike of pandemic
By Lisa Shumaker
(Reuters) - New U.S. COVID-19 cases rose by nearly 50,000 on Wednesday, according to a Reuters tally, marking the biggest one-day spike since the start of the pandemic.
The record follows a warning by the government's top infectious diseases expert that the number could soon double to 100,000 cases a day if Americans do not come together to take steps necessary to halt the virus' resurgent spread, such as wearing masks when unable to practice social distancing.
In the first week of June, the United States added about 22,000 new coronavirus cases each day. But as the month progressed, hotspots began to emerge across the Sun Belt. In the last seven days of June, daily new infections almost doubled to 42,000 nationally.
Brazil is the only other country to report more than 50,000 new cases in one day. The United States reported at least 49,286 cases on Tuesday.
More than half of new U.S. cases each day come from Arizona, California, Florida and Texas, home to 30% of the country's population. All four states plus 10 others saw new cases more than double in June.
The daily increase in new cases could reach 100,000 unless a nationwide push was made to tamp down the fast-spreading virus, Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a U.S. Senate committee on Tuesday.
"We can't just focus on those areas that are having the surge. It puts the entire country at risk," Fauci said.
The rise in cases is not just the result of more testing. Hospitalizations are also skyrocketing.
Nationally, 7% of coronavirus diagnostic tests came back positive last week, up from 5% the prior week, according to a Reuters analysis. Arizona's positivity test rate was 24% last week, Florida's was 16%. Nevada, South Carolina and Texas were all 15%, according to the analysis.
Some of the recent increase traces back to Memorial Day holiday celebrations in late May. Health experts are worried about Independence Day celebrations this weekend, when Americans traditionally flock to beaches and campgrounds to watch fireworks displays.
(Writing by Lisa Shumaker; editing by Jane Wardell, Bill Berkrot and Leslie Adler)
Fox News 8 sayin Put-in-Bay gonna be a hotbed of Covid cases after the holiday weekend.
Something about the old saying, "young and dumb" comes to mind".
So it's ok to gather in large groups for protests and riots but not ok to gather for anything else? I think thats part of the problem here. People see other large groups gathering and probably say "screw it, they aren't social distancing so why should I?"
As the U.S. begins to open back up, coronavirus clusters — where multiple people contract COVID-19 at the same event or location — are popping up all over the country. And despite drawing massive crowds, protests against police violence and racial injustice in Washington state weren't among those clusters.
"We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease."
For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14.
"So that one event spread to 29 people and 31 related employers," Lautenbach says. "Our challenge is to continue to trace as it moves through families, as it moves through workplaces and as it moves through social events as well."
But protests just aren't spreading the disease in the same way, Lautenbach says.
"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."
And much of that spread, Lautenbach says, is affecting young people.
"We have seen almost a near flip in the cases that we're experiencing," Lautenbach says. "So in April of this year, we were really struggling with long-term-care outbreaks. And so about 3 out of 4 people were over the age of 30 and really pretty heavily skewed to 60-plus. And by contrast, in June, we're seeing that now 2 out of 3 people that have contracted this disease are under 29."
That trend is mirrored in Florida, where the median age for COVID-19 patients dropped from 65 years old in March to 37 in late June. Dr. Cheryl Holder, an associate professor at Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine at Florida International University, says that's partly because young people are getting exposed more.
"It's really basically who gets exposed," Holder tells Morning Edition. "If you look who is staying in and following the guidelines, [it's] older people who are at risk. The older folks got [the message]; the young people, not so much."
That's Lautenbach's worry too.
"The concern is that because these younger people are having more mild symptoms, they are going to work sick, they are visiting with their parents and grandparents sick and they're continuing to go to social events where they expose more and more people," Lautenbach says. "So when we think about that web of spread, that web just grows and grows and grows."
Andrea Hsu, Dave Blanchard, Christopher Intagliata and Art Silverman produced and edited the audio version of this story.
Alabama students are throwing COVID-19 parties, with prize for 1st infection. by: CNN Wire
Some students in Alabama are throwing Covid-19 parties, a disturbing competition where people who have coronavirus attend and the first person to get infected receives a payout, local officials said.
The parties are being held in Tuscaloosa, and infected people are urged to attend so others can intentionally contract the virus, City Council member Sonya McKinstry told CNN. She said she heard about the trend from fire officials.
“We thought that was kind of a rumors at first. We did some research, not only do the doctors’ offices confirm it, but the state confirmed they also had the same information,” she said.
Gatherings in homes may fuel coronavirus spread in California as more young people get sick As case numbers rise in nearly half of states, young people in West and South increasingly getting coronavirus Hundreds of Texas teens at ‘pong fest’ party were exposed to coronavirus, officials say During a presentation to the City Council this week, Fire Chief Randy Smith also said young people in the city are throwing parties with a payout if they catch coronavirus, McKinstry said.
The first person confirmed by a doctor to have coronavirus after the exposure wins the money made off the ticket sales, she said. Over the past few weeks, there have been several parties in the city and surrounding areas, and probably more that officials don’t know about, she added.
“It makes me furious,” McKinstry said. “Furious to the fact that something that is so serious and deadly is being taken for granted. Not only is it irresponsible, but you could contract the virus and take it home to your parents or grandparents.”
The city is working on getting the word out and breaking up such parties. It also passed a mask ordinance this week that goes into effect Monday.
“This is not political. This is a public health issue. People are dying and there is no cure. We have to do whatever we can to save as many lives as possible, McKinstry said.
CNN has reached out to the Alabama Health Department for comment. The state has reported about 39,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and nearly 1,000 deaths.
I have a minor surgical procedure coming up, and I had to go have the COVID-19 screen done. Ugh, It felt like they shoved the thing into my brain through my nose. Bleh! Now I await the results .....
This is what happens when you hand out participation trophies.
No. This is what happens when you defund schools and have a populace that doesn’t understand science. This is what happens when our ‘leadership’ acts like petulant children and refuse to acknowledge the severity of the situation. When said leader still refuses to set an example and wear a mask. When said leader still blathers on that it’ll miraculously go away. This isn’t participation trophy stuff. This is stupidity. From the top down.
I am going to have a procedure done on my back in a little while, and I have to go have a COVID-19 test done in advance of it. Doctor's office said that it is a drive-thru at St E's Boardman. lol
I just did one of those drive thru tests. Not to worry you, but that was one miserable experience. After they power rape and scrape your schnozz you have to drive away while your eyes are watering and your on the edge of a monster sneeze.
My wife had the nose one done and I had the throat. We compared experiences are think the nose one is better.
Some students in Alabama are throwing Covid-19 parties, a disturbing competition where people who have coronavirus attend and the first person to get infected receives a payout, local officials said.
I suggest jail time for anybody who attended those parties. Lock em up at Elkton Federal Prison if they want covid that bad.
Jake Zuckerman @jake_zuckerman · 13h New Ohio covid-19 data:
-54,166 total cases (1,301 new in last 24 hrs) -8,038 hospitalized (127 new) -2,903 dead (27 new reported)
Look past the mass testing of prisons in April and this is Ohio's heaviest 24 hr. new caseload of the pandemic. Most hospitalized since May 29.
WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO...??
DeWine was the toast of the town, doing everything right until June 15, then the wheels came off in the Buckeye state.
Just what did DeWine "do wrong" at that point (6-15) to help the trend go from a constant downward trend into a reversal of 180%, heading upward to where the state of Ohio is today?
Jake Zuckerman @jake_zuckerman · 13h New Ohio covid-19 data:
-54,166 total cases (1,301 new in last 24 hrs) -8,038 hospitalized (127 new) -2,903 dead (27 new reported)
Look past the mass testing of prisons in April and this is Ohio's heaviest 24 hr. new caseload of the pandemic. Most hospitalized since May 29.
WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO...??
DeWine was the toast of the town, doing everything right until June 15, then the wheels came off in the Buckeye state.
Just what did DeWine "do wrong" at that point (6-15) to help the trend go from a constant downward trend into a reversal of 180%, heading upward to where the state of Ohio is today?
WHAT HAPPENED?
He didn't do anything wrong. You have to open up at some point. You can't keep paying stimulus checks with no tax dollars rolling in.
The people are the ones doing things wrong. You have to wear masks. You can't think everything is cool and go back to doing what you were doing before all of this.
DeWine was the toast of the town, doing everything right until June 15, then the wheels came off in the Buckeye state.
Just what did DeWine "do wrong" at that point (6-15) to help the trend go from a constant downward trend into a reversal of 180%, heading upward to where the state of Ohio is today?
WHAT HAPPENED?
He didn't do anything wrong. You have to open up at some point. You can't keep paying stimulus checks with no tax dollars rolling in.
The people are the ones doing things wrong. You have to wear masks. You can't think everything is cool and go back to doing what you were doing before all of this.
Stupid people is what is wrong.
Originally Posted By: mac
While doing some research, one answer I came across pointed out that DeWine "caved in" to Trump's demands..that Ohio's economy was strong enough to open up.
Just like everything concerning covid 19..TRUMP WAS WRONG....AGAIN!!!.
Now DeWine suffers the consequences of Trump's poor judgement.
Ballpeen, while you answered it correctly, you didn't give the answer Mac wanted. So he had to give his Trump answer himself. You put Mac to extra work.
Hospitals face 'an explosion of Covid' and signs of another surge as coronavirus case numbers climb By Christina Maxouris, CNN Updated 9:05 AM EDT, Thu July 02, 2020
(CNN)Inside a Houston hospital partly transformed into a coronavirus specialty unit, one doctor says he expects to reach capacity in the next 14 days.
"In the last three weeks, I have seen more admissions and sicker patients than on the previous 10 weeks," says Dr. Joseph Varon, the chief medical officer at United Memorial Medical Center. "It's been an exponential increase on the severity of illness and on the number of cases that we admit."
In other hospitals across America, similar scenes of crisis.
At least 12 states are seeing a rise in daily hospitalizations, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said this week.
The trend is worrying: A sharp increase in patients can once again overwhelm hospitals, putting critical resources including staffing, beds and ventilators in short supply.
Already, some hospitals are so swamped they've transferred patients elsewhere. Doctors in parts of Texas report waiting lists for their ICU beds, while others have had to decide which patients to admit, incapable of treating all those seeking help. In other parts of the US, health care professionals are seeing younger and sicker patients and making a simple plea: Wear a mask and stay at home.
The increasing infections come weeks after many states began reopening their economies after extended closures intended to stem the spread of coronavirus.
"I live close to a beach, and you can see it's like a party every single day," says Dr. David De La Zerda, the ICU medical director and a pulmonologist at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami.
Among the states seeing an increase are Florida and Texas, which are expected to see nearly 2,000 new hospitalizations per day by mid-July, according to forecasts published by the CDC. In Arizona and California, the forecasts project about 1,500 new patients each day in the next two weeks.
Houston hospitals transfer patients out In Harris County, which encompasses Houston and is the most populous county in Texas, at least two hospitals are "pretty much at maximum capacity," Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner said Wednesday.
"The threat ... Covid-19 poses to our community right now is higher than it has been. There is a severe and uncontrolled spread between our families, friends, and communities," Turner said. "And we need to slow it down, so that it doesn't overwhelm our health care delivery system."
Several hospitals across Houston are still within capacity limits, he said.
Among them, United Memorial Medical Center is hovering at about 80% capacity.
Parts of the hospital are quickly transitioning into coronavirus units, with airtight zones around sections where infected patients are stationed. And doctors like Varon, who's worked more than 100 consecutive days now, are turning into semi-specialists in the virus.
"These patients are very sick. These are patients that are about to die. So, we have to admit them and once they are here, despite of everything that we do, they have to stay in the hospital anywhere between 5 to 10 days at a minimum," Varon said. "So sooner or later, within the next two weeks, we're going to be at full house."
Two facilities within the Harris Health System have had to spread their "load" of patients around, the mayor said.
"It really has intensified in the last month or so," Charlie McMurray-Horton, the associate administrator for Clinical Integration and Transformation at the Harris Health System told CNN affiliate KTRK.
"We are actively trying to transfer out ICU and surge patients that are COVID positive and under investigation, just because we don't have the capacity to treat those patients," McMurray-Horton said.
On July 1, Texas reported 6,904 total hospitalizations -- a staggering record high and an increase of more than 2,500 patients in a week. The state's peak of hospitalizations in May was 1,888.
"The numbers today, this week, over the last several weeks are far worse than the numbers in March, and April, and May. So if we stay on the current trajectory, we are going to run into problems with capacity," Turner said.
'We are having an explosion of Covid' Some local officials and public health administrators are already reporting strained hospital capacity with the latest influx of patients.
In Bexar County, home to San Antonio, officials reported this week the number of hospitalizations continues to rise while hospital capacity has shrunk to a little more than 20%, CNN affiliate KSAT reported.
"We are having an explosion of Covid," says Adam Sahyouni, a Covid ICU nurse manager at San Antonio's Methodist Hospital. "We aren't overrun yet, but it's overwhelming."
According to data published by the city of San Antonio, at the beginning of June there were 39 coronavirus patients in the ICU and 20 on ventilators. By June 30, 288 coronavirus patients were in ICUs and 158 on ventilators.
Across the country, one southern California county reported a 99% intensive care unit capacity over the weekend, after taking in overflowing patients from neighboring Imperial County.
"Since mid-June, there has been a growing health crisis with rising coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and ICU bed usage throughout our nation, the state of California and here in Riverside County," Supervisor Victor Manuel Perez said.
The county announced Monday 96% of all ICU beds were in use -- down 3 percentage points from the weekend.
In Florida, the Jackson Health System reported a 108% increase in patients in a little more than two weeks in June, data shows.
As cases across the state continue climbing, President and CEO of Jackson Health System Carlos Migoya told CNN affiliate WPLG hospitals may be in trouble.
"If we continue at the rate we are today, there will be a very high climb, and I don't know about not having enough beds, but it is already tight."
At the rate cases are increasing, Miami-Dade hospitals will max out in about a month, the affiliate reported.
Patients are younger and sicker More young people are testing positive for the virus in recent weeks than in the early days of the outbreak, local and state leaders have said, warning that they can spread the virus even though they may not become severely ill.
In Florida, De La Zerda says the incoming patients in his Miami hospital are younger and sicker than the first time the state saw a rise in cases.
Hundreds of teens at 'pong fest' party exposed to coronavirus, officials say Hundreds of teens at 'pong fest' party exposed to coronavirus, officials say "That's really our major concern," he told CNN, adding the hospitalized patients they're receiving on average are between 25 to 45 years of age. In previous months, that average was above 65, he said.
One San Antonio doctor says his patients are getting "younger and ... more sick."
"The last few weeks have just been overwhelming," Dr. Jeffrey Dellavolpe at San Antonio's Methodist Hospital said. Patients are "going from probably 50s and 60s for the first wave to -- I've lost track of how many people in their 20s."
In Tucson, Arizona, one doctor says he's noticed a "dramatic shift" in the ages of coronavirus patients.
"Over this past weekend, the ages of my most seriously ill Covid-19 patients (requiring supplemental oxygen and aggressive respiratory support -- none were on ventilators thankfully) were 27, 45, 24 and 32 years," Dr. Matt Heinz wrote on Facebook.
Health officials in Los Angeles County said this week some of the county's outbreaks can be traced back to parties and gatherings.
"Unfortunately, many of these celebrations resulted in the spread of COVID-19, and for some, serious illness that required hospitalization," Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said, according to CNN affiliate KTLA.
While many of the hospitalized patients continue to be older, the county's health services director, Dr. Christina Ghaly, said they're beginning to see "a slight shift toward a younger demographic."
An ICU unit with a waiting list Ghaly said this week as cases in the county climb, there soon may not be enough beds for the patients who will need hospitalization.
"The number of hospital beds could become inadequate in the next few weeks," Ghaly said. There are only enough ventilators in the county to last four weeks, and Ghaly says the county's projections show a marked increase in mortality rates.
The hospital system could increase capacity by once again canceling all elective surgeries and adding beds in non-traditional areas like emergency rooms.
People with coronavirus are crossing the US-Mexico border for medical care People with coronavirus are crossing the US-Mexico border for medical care The Jackson Health System in Miami opted to pause all elective and non-emergency surgeries as a result of a steady increase of patients being admitted in recent weeks. And in Texas, a similar move: the governor issued a proclamation suspending elective surgeries in at least four counties to ensure there are enough hospital beds for coronavirus patients.
At Methodist Hospital in San Antonio, ICU rooms are packed -- and some patients are on a waiting list.
"Yesterday was probably one of my worst days that I've ever had," Dellavolpe said. "I got 10 calls, all of whom (were) young people who otherwise would be excellent candidates to be able to put on ECMO (life support). They're so sick that if they don't get put on, they don't get that support, they're probably going to die. I had three beds."
"It's a level of decision-making that I don't think a lot of us are prepared for."
In Arizona, too -- where ICU bed capacity is at nearly 90%, according to CNN affiliate KNXV -- many hospitals may have to use crisis care standards if they become overwhelmed to prioritize patients with higher chances of survival, the affiliate reported.
Making that decision would come down to one question, Dr. Matthew Wynia, an infectious disease and public health expert at the University of Colorado, told the news station.
"What's the likelihood that you will survive this acute illness and still be alive six months or a year from now," Wynia explained.
CNN's Miguel Marquez, Jessica Jordan, Cheri Mossburg, Alexandra Meeks, Rosa Flores and Sara Weisfeldt contributed to this report.
I think this weeks go to line will be, "You'll just have to learn to live with it."
That will be our federal government answer to a virus most of the rest of the globe seems to have a pretty good handle on. Most of Europe gave us a pretty good playbook on how to gain control on it and we ignore it.
I think this weeks go to line will be, "You'll just have to learn to live with it."
That will be our federal government answer to a virus most of the rest of the globe seems to have a pretty good handle on. Most of Europe gave us a pretty good playbook on how to gain control on it and we ignore it.
Here we go again. Here's a recent peer reviewed study showing treatment with Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin can reduce COVID mortality rates. It's funny watching the Trump haters jumping to slam this study and the Trump lovers saying it proves him right. I just want to remove the politics to know if it's an effective treatment.
Highlights • As of May27, 2020 there are over 1,678,843 confirmed cases of COVID-19 claiming more than 100,000 lives in the Unites States. Currently there is no known effective therapy or vaccine. • According to a protocol-based treatment algorithm, among hospitalized patients, use of hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with a significant reduction in-hospital mortality compared to not receiving hydroxychloroquine. • -Findings of this observational study provide crucial data on experience with hydroxychloroquine therapy, providing necessary interim guidance for COVID-19 therapeutic practice.
I think this weeks go to line will be, "You'll just have to learn to live with it."
That will be our federal government answer to a virus most of the rest of the globe seems to have a pretty good handle on. Most of Europe gave us a pretty good playbook on how to gain control on it and we ignore it.
Remember when Italy was the worst case scenario?
And they figured out how to mitigate it. So did many other nations in Europe. But trying to learn from their example would simply be un-American, right?
BEREA, Ohio (WJW)– An ice cream shop in Berea has a message for people who yell at employees: Respect them or go somewhere else.
Mootown Creamery posted on its Facebook page Tuesday morning about customers mistreating workers, who are mostly teenage girls, for wearing state-required masks during the coronavirus pandemic. The owner made the decision to also require guests to wear masks while in the store, saying it’s for the protection of employees and customers.
“Do you know how hard it is to work a summer rush in a face mask? With a line of customers to the door, some waiting outside, online orders dinging on a tablet, the phone ringing off the hook — and then have a customer throw a temper tantrum in the store calling the girls ‘paranoid’ or ‘anti-American’ or even worse – CUSS AT THEM! (Does it feel good to make a 16 year old girl cry in the bathroom? Or sob on her way home from work? Does that make you feel better about Covid? How would you feel if someone did this to your child?)” Mootown Creamery wrote.
The Ohio Department of Health issued mandatory protocols for restaurants when they were allowed to open for outdoor service on May 15 and indoor service on May 21. Businesses must require all employees to wear facial coverings, with a limited list of exceptions.
“Covid is one of the most awful things many of us have experienced in our lifetime. Our lives are flipped upside down. Businesses are closing. Some of us are still out of work. We are stressed out, worried, and frustrated. However that is no excuse to take out your frustrations on teenage kids serving ice cream! (Most of which this is their first job!) Are you serious?! What control do they possibly have over the situation?”
Mootown Creamery thanked customers who have been understanding and respectful. It also reminded patrons it offers curbside pickup, outdoor ordering and online ordering for those who do not want to wear face coverings.
Retail workers have always dealt with jackasses, because there’s a lot of them out there. It’s probably worse now because of all the stuff that’s going on.
Nobody should have to face ridicule from a semi-moron in the workplace, let alone a teenager.
You’d think people would be more understanding, more kind, and most are.
That sucks. Sometimes we need to stick up. I might be a bit more confrontational than some, but sometimes you just have to step in and say something.
About a month or two ago, I was at the grocery store and waiting at a aisle end to allow traffic to thin. I was watching this jack wad pick up can after can of soup, then put them back. As he walked by I told him with all that is going on, that wasn't cool. A woman shopper was watching him do it as well. We both had our masks, he didn't. He went around the corner, then came storming back all ticked off talking about how he was a fighter and sticking his finger in my face. I stepped away from my buggy and just told him to get out of here.
The woman who saw it came over to me and patted me on the shoulder in a comforting way. She said don't let that guy bother you, I agree with you. That made me feel better.
If some idiot starts cussing at the ice cream girl at the Baskin Robbins, yep, I am going to say something. If you are unhappy about something, fine, there is a way to discuss that. You start making a 16 year old girl cry, no, that doesn't work in my world.
Retail workers have always dealt with jackasses, because there’s a lot of them out there. It’s probably worse now because of all the stuff that’s going on.
You are certainly correct. But this?
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calling the girls ‘paranoid’ or ‘anti-American’ or even worse
They are sending the message they have been taught to send. Parroting the lowest common denominator. And it's sickening.
Retail workers have always dealt with jackasses, because there’s a lot of them out there.
there is actually a forum much like this one out there for retail workers called customerssuck.com. I actually own it, lol (took it over a tad more than three years ago), though I rarely ever go there.
Retail workers have always dealt with jackasses, because there’s a lot of them out there. It’s probably worse now because of all the stuff that’s going on.
You are certainly correct. But this?
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calling the girls ‘paranoid’ or ‘anti-American’ or even worse
They are sending the message they have been taught to send. Parroting the lowest common denominator. And it's sickening.
Absolutely WAY over the top, and anyone screaming at a teenage worker like that simply needs to be slapped.
I think there are people that are simply struggling to process and accept and as a result, it comes out in the form of anger directed at whatever target is available when it boils over. It ain't right, but it kinda is just human nature.
My wife saw this this weekend. It was at a Cookie Cutters (haircut place for little kids). Some woman was in there getting all kinds of bent outta shape because the workers insisted on her wearing a mask. She somehow didn't get the 20 memos and reminders from them about being required to wear a mask, plus conveniently forgot the last couple of months happened.... and started letting f-bombs fly. Needless to say, all the other parents in there joined the folks behind the counter in telling her she had to leave.
Look, it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with any sort of mask mandate. If a business posts that you need to have one to be a patron, then you need to have one on to be a patron. If you don't like it, shut up and leave and take your business elsewhere. Don't be a whiny oxygen thief and scream at them for your insolence.
It's sort of funny that many of the same folks who think a bakery can refuse to bake a cake for someone thinks it's un-American to tell you they will refuse to serve you without a mask.
I think a 35” bat at arms length should be fine for social distancing. If you’re measuring from your back foot and step into the swing, then you’ll be farther than six feet.
Retail workers have always dealt with jackasses, because there’s a lot of them out there.
there is actually a forum much like this one out there for retail workers called customerssuck.com. I actually own it, lol (took it over a tad more than three years ago), though I rarely ever go there.
That site is a pretty cool read! My restaurant peeps would agree lol.
1. A t.v. station, wmfd out of mansfield, apparently reported that the state of Ohio is counting as positive not only each positive test, but if someone gets tested, and they are positive, then gets retested a week later - the state counts that as 2 positives. Get tested a week later? Positive? That's 3 positives - from 1 person.
2. Is the cdc counting positive cases AND positive for the antibody as positive? In other words, say I had it back in January. Felt blah for a little bit, but never got tested. If I were tested today, and had the antibody, but not the virus, would I be counted as 'positive'. I've read that several times.
1. A t.v. station, wmfd out of mansfield, apparently reported that the state of Ohio is counting as positive not only each positive test, but if someone gets tested, and they are positive, then gets retested a week later - the state counts that as 2 positives. Get tested a week later? Positive? That's 3 positives - from 1 person.
That "reporter" is Jack Windsor. He peddles wacky conspiracy theories and I do not believe his claim to be the case. I've seen nowhere that indicates this to be the case. I'm half-surprised he's still allowed to questions at DeWine's briefings, but his long winded questions entertain me, however.
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
2. Is the cdc counting positive cases AND positive for the antibody as positive? In other words, say I had it back in January. Felt blah for a little bit, but never got tested. If I were tested today, and had the antibody, but not the virus, would I be counted as 'positive'. I've read that several times.
There was some confusion a couple months back where the CDC was lumping tests together of those currently infected with Covid-19 and those recovered from Covid-19.
Here's one quote from a spokesperson from the North Carolina Dept. of Health on how tests are reported...
A spokesperson said:
In the total of laboratory-confirmed cases, each person is counted only once. If a person tested positive more than once (for example, if they were using the test-based criteria for discontinuation of isolation and had 3 total positive tests), they would be included in our case count only once."
I think a real question should be when the White House said "40 million people have been tested", does that mean 40 million tests have been taken total?
Because we know some people have been tested multiple times and the fact that 40 million tests have been taken in no way represents that 40 million people have been tested.
I've looked, albeit briefly, but haven't seen anything concrete.
I'll check later. It certainly would not make sense that they would report the same patients twice or three times for that matter. It's more conspiracy theory thinking to think that the Dept. of Health would do that to make the numbers look bigger than reality.
Maybe I'm wrong and Ohio did, but I do not believe so.
It's more conspiracy theory thinking to think that the Dept. of Health would do that to make the numbers look bigger than reality.
and yet, we have TONS of cases of "presumptive positives" when anything under the sun is a symptom and the deaths have little to no distinction between "died from" and "died with".
There definitely are games being played with the numbers. I have no problem counting the additional cases/deaths, but they should be broken out and not included as part of the default counts.
Glad you are okay, but sad to read about your brother and sister-in-law.
They gave her some kind of medication, though I am not sure what. His case, thus far, appears to be mild .... so I am praying that's as bad as it gets.
My kids both did great. They didn't have too many complications. I am sharing that w/you so you can hang on to something positive. Hopefully, your brother and his wife will have similar results. Hang in there, bro.
Well .. had my COVID-19 test done so I can have a minor procedure done next week ..... and I don't have it.
My sister-in-law has it, but my brother does not.
And now my brother has tested positive for it as well.
I haven't seen them for probably over 6 months now. (Christmas)
I am very fortunate that my mom has a great attitude, and doesn't mind solitude.
Sorry to hear that. I expect to be contacted today with my test results. I took the swab on Sunday morning. Since it was a Sunday I was told it might take 3-4 days. I had developed a dry cough and had diarrhea. I feel fine, though still have a bit of a hack.
What we have to remember is 97% of everybody ends up fine. That is what we need to cling to.
I think a real question should be when the White House said "40 million people have been tested", does that mean 40 million tests have been taken total?
Because we know some people have been tested multiple times and the fact that 40 million tests have been taken in no way represents that 40 million people have been tested.
I don't think anybody really knows how many people have been tested. Quit picking nits. Have you been tested? I won't pick nits either.
As I have said all along, testing is great, but 5 minutes after the test you can catch the damn thing. By the time you get your negative results a few days later, you could have infected 25 other people. Sure, you and I may take it seriously and self isolate. Because of some symptoms, I got swabbed on Sunday morning. I expect to get results today. I have been sitting at the house since then. I sit here in my office. I have a TV, computer, and couch comfortable enough to sleep on. Even a dedicated half bath to use. When I need to venture in to other areas of the house, I drench my hands in sanitizer. I have taken a couple of showers since Sunday.
We have food in the house. I had my wife put a knife, fork and spoon and about 20 cans of self opening soups, beefaroni, sardines, crackers, peanut butter etc. out side the door on Sunday. I am somewhat of an animal. I don't need warm food. Eating cold food out of a can isn't something that has never been done before. She does set a foam cup of hot coffee outside the door every morning. I call her when I want it and she troopers out to fix it, be it at 3-4AM....I wake early. I drink it black, so it is easy enough.
I didn't know that wondering what the facts actually were verses what we're being told was "picking nits". I'll make sure and PM you next time before I ask a question and get your okay.
Okay, so you know better than me doing that and I was being facetious.
On a more serious note, I hope your test results come back negative. I know you have said that when it's your time to go you are ready for it. But I'm hoping that time isn't now.
It is supremely annoying that they still choose to give meaningless charts in their graphics.
How many we got today versus how many we got yesterday is a completely worthless line graph. Give me yesterday's current count versus today's current count. That's important because by default it factors in the data they continue to omit which is recoveries which purposefully obfuscates any clear picture of the current state of things.
SO annoying.
p.s. I expected a follow up sentence from that Amanda Garrett tweet referencing MegaMaid or Ludicrous Speed. #gonefromorangetored #gonefromsucktoblow
I understand you can't see the difference in people making a choice and a mandate from a would be dictator. So I'll refrain from trying to explain any further.
My job shut down in mid-March. It's now July. There is no guarantee that my job will exist as I've known it for anytime soon.
Our house went into 'shutdown mode' immediately. My Wife & I had no fights about this. We were both raised to exercise common sense. We both stayed awake in 9th grade Biology class. We understand bacteria, viruses... and basic epidemiology.
I venture out into public fewer than 3 times/wk. I bundle shopping trips, where I can exercise the same safety protocols by rote until I get back home. I routinely use hand sanitizer as soon as I'm back in my driver's seat, and I routinely wash my hands for 30 seconds immediately after returning home (something My Mother instilled in us when we were kids, so it's not a new learning curve). I put on a mask before I exit my car; I don't take it off until I'm back in my car.
I haven't changed a g.d. thing about my day-to-day life since this nightmare descended upon us. No parties, no restaurants, no backyard barbecues, no nothing.
And definitely no indoor concerts/performances.
If I encounter a post on this board from someone who informs us that his/her family member/loved one is now in an I.C.U., face-down, in a medically-induced coma, with a ventilator shoved down their throat, I'll be able to offer you my sincere thoughts and prayers, knowing that I did everything I could to keep your family member out of that situation. That's what I've been doing for you.
I'm wearing a mask. 100%.
I'm choosing to do this every single time I leave my house, and venture into public space.
Because I care about the general health of my country... and all its citizens. Even those who don't give a s# about me or you... or anyone else, including their own immediate families.
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Masks are a simple little thing we can do, because we now know how disease is spread. I've stood in public at a microphone for 20+ years under blazingly bright lights, and have seen, first-hand, how much spittle and spew I have contributed to our common space. It's illuminating. I NEVER touch a microphone that I don't own and personally control. Common sense informs my personal routine- and has, for decades.
I am a citizen of the United States of America. I can't enjoy the privileges of citizenship without also taking on the responsibilities that come with it.
I do this, because I owe it to all of you. Even if you hate me and my views. Period.
I am getting to this a little late, but you and I seem to work on the same hours. I wake early as well. I assume these are your waking hours and you didn't just go to bed.
I agree with pretty much all. I may not put my mask on as I am walking through a parking lot because I can veer my direction in such a manner I am not walking right next to people, but I mask up.
I was experiencing some symptoms late last week and got tested Sunday morning. Been self isolated. Yesterday I got word I was negative. Good news.
That doesn't mean I am going to go clubbing tonight. I am fixing to go out for a walk in a few minutes. The first time since Saturday morning. I may just go 3-4 miles to get back in to the swing, and I don't mask up there. With few exceptions, it is easy to maintain 6-10 feet space, and as early morning walkers, you see the same people every day. We know and respect each other. We aren't going to start sneezing on each other.
I just remembered, the county as a mandator mask order starting today. I will take my mask. I will lower it if nobody is around, then put it up as I see somebody.
The only person I’m around, uncovered, is my wife. I’ve never been tested but she’s an RN at a retirement center and is tested regularly. I feel safe enough with that. My hobbies outside the home have become limited to fishing. I do this alone, in my boat. I enjoy the peaceful solitude. While our state is fully open, we’ve only been out to eat one time since it opened. We agreed we prefer our backyard grill much better. I talk to our neighbors from a social distance, we don’t go on to each other’s properties.
Aren’t all decent folks doing these kinds of things?
I am a citizen of the United States of America. I can't enjoy the privileges of citizenship without also taking on the responsibilities that come with it.
Aren’t all decent folks doing these kinds of things?
I don't know how you define "decent folks", but no, not everybody is doing that. In fact, a large portion of people are doing the opposite. And that is why we haven't been able to shut this virus down.
If I encounter a post on this board from someone who informs us that his/her family member/loved one is now in an I.C.U., face-down, in a medically-induced coma, with a ventilator shoved down their throat, I'll be able to offer you my sincere thoughts and prayers, knowing that I did everything I could to keep your family member out of that situation. That's what I've been doing for you.
I'm wearing a mask. 100%.
I'm choosing to do this every single time I leave my house, and venture into public space.
Because I care about the general health of my country... and all its citizens. Even those who don't give a s# about me or you... or anyone else, including their own immediate families.
I stand with you on this. I just can't believe the sheer numbers of people that use "being robbed of their freedom" is an excuse not to wear a mask or social distance. And of course you have those other special flowers that use asthma, claustrophobia or whatnot whining that these restrictions shouldn't apply to them, despite the health risks to others. I know many healthcare professionals that wear masks continuously, all day long......every day, and those excuses are just lame. And when these folks bring it home to their parents and grandparents, you can be sure they'll blame the government.
Aren’t all decent folks doing these kinds of things?
I don't know how you define "decent folks", but no, not everybody is doing that. In fact, a large portion of people are doing the opposite. And that is why we haven't been able to shut this virus down.
Decent folks, the one’s who aren’t selfish in their actions outside of their particular bubble and care enough about others to do the right thing, the decent thing.
A lot of very good recent posts in this thread. I am fortunate enough to be in the same boat as many of you and I don't have to be around other people all that often. We haven't been out to eat since this all went down and only shop for essentials. I do have to go to a place like Lowes to get some supplies for my projects.
There are people who are being selfish and not taking the necessary precautions. There are also people like my wife, son, and daughter who have to work w/the public. My wife works in a hospital. My daughter and fiance own a plumbing business and my son is the manager of a high volume shop. All three are exposed to a ton of other people. They can't just quit working. I think of the grocery store workers who are exposed to so many people each day. That has to be tough.
Some people are not able to avoid other people or the risks of the virus. That is why it is important for the rest of us to do the things that Clem put forth in his post and that many of you echoed.
We can't hide from this, and we can't avoid it. The best we can do is take appropriate precautions and protections, and move forward.
Some people will ignore it all and do their things their way, and all we can do is do our best to avoid those people.
But ultimately, it is up to each of us, to protect ourselves and our loved ones the way we feel is best for each of us.
I agree. My wife and I still go out to eat. If it doesn't look like proper distancing is practiced, we walk out. Pretty easy.
You can't live in a hole forever. Life goes on is our theory.
I was recently swabbed due to some symptoms. The results came back negative yesterday afternoon.....so, good news. No, I am not going out clubbing tonight to celebrate.
We can't hide from this, and we can't avoid it. The best we can do is take appropriate precautions and protections, and move forward.
Some people will ignore it all and do their things their way, and all we can do is do our best to avoid those people.
But ultimately, it is up to each of us, to protect ourselves and our loved ones the way we feel is best for each of us.
The scary things is if you have young children, particularly children with health issues. That's the position we are in. It is really debilitating for them not to be in school, from book education to socialization to life skills. And at the same time you want to protect vulnerable children from getting sick.
We will have some tough decisions to make over the next several weeks. Will include a lot discussions with our daughter's doctors.
The scary things is if you have young children, particularly children with health issues. That's the position we are in. It is really debilitating for them not to be in school, from book education to socialization to life skills. And at the same time you want to protect vulnerable children from getting sick.
Our kids do not have underlying health issues, but we are both anxious about our school district's plans for this upcoming school year. I have a feeling it's going to be a mix of online and in-school learning.
Returning all students full time would be unsettling.
We can't hide from this, and we can't avoid it. The best we can do is take appropriate precautions and protections, and move forward.
Some people will ignore it all and do their things their way, and all we can do is do our best to avoid those people.
But ultimately, it is up to each of us, to protect ourselves and our loved ones the way we feel is best for each of us.
The scary things is if you have young children, particularly children with health issues. That's the position we are in. It is really debilitating for them not to be in school, from book education to socialization to life skills. And at the same time you want to protect vulnerable children from getting sick.
We will have some tough decisions to make over the next several weeks. Will include a lot discussions with our daughter's doctors.
God Bless you man. I can't imagine this with young children. My youngest is 35. Having to figure out if you send them if schools are open. You have to work, but what do you do with the kids if schools aren't? You have to take care of them first, but you need income. If both of you work, it's near impossible to cut one income out of the mix and make it work. Add in a child with special needs. I guess somebody could take a night job.
Fortunately, my wife is a stay at home mom. So that part of the equation is covered. Having two kids at once, one with special needs, made that decision easy for us.
I am also fortunate to work a job that isn't likely to go away, and I can do it remotely.
So we are blessed on those two fronts. The big thing is the what to do with the kids when schools open based on what that will look like. And even if we decide to keep one home and send the other, the other one could bring it back to the family.
Like I said, we are lining up doctor's calls with our one daughter's doctor. She is a heart patient, and her cardiologist is the most important one to speak with. Once we gather all the information and the schools finalize what they are doing, hopefully we can have a path forward that makes us feel comfortable.
We can't hide from this, and we can't avoid it. The best we can do is take appropriate precautions and protections, and move forward.
Some people will ignore it all and do their things their way, and all we can do is do our best to avoid those people.
But ultimately, it is up to each of us, to protect ourselves and our loved ones the way we feel is best for each of us.
The scary things is if you have young children, particularly children with health issues. That's the position we are in. It is really debilitating for them not to be in school, from book education to socialization to life skills. And at the same time you want to protect vulnerable children from getting sick.
We will have some tough decisions to make over the next several weeks. Will include a lot discussions with our daughter's doctors.
My wife and I were discussing that last night, that we are glad our son is grown and we are not trying to raise young children through all this. It's a mess and I imagine it's really tough on young families.
I certainly wish you all the best. Thus far many reports I've seen have plans to give you the option of sending your kids to school or online schooling. Hopefully that option will be available to you to make your choice easier.
Went shopping today in Euclid (Cuyahoga county). Everyone was wearing masks, which is good.
Yesterday I went to pick up a pizza in Eastlake (Lake county). I saw just a few people wearing them... Hardly anyone, in fact. I don't think they have to there? Well, I wore one anyhow.
In Nova Scotia, where I live, we’ve been very lucky to have strong leadership at the top. In a province of around one million people, we’ve had 1,066 cases 63 deaths, 53 of those at a large nursing home) and only three active cases at present.
Our provincial premier has been on this from the start, stressing self-isolation, listening to the health care professionals and not giving in to whims and flights of fancy.
Aren’t all decent folks doing these kinds of things?
I don't know how you define "decent folks", but no, not everybody is doing that. In fact, a large portion of people are doing the opposite. And that is why we haven't been able to shut this virus down.
Decent folks, the one’s who aren’t selfish in their actions outside of their particular bubble and care enough about others to do the right thing, the decent thing.
Well there are way too many indecent folks out there wandering about.
Well there are way too many indecent folks out there wandering about.
Then don't go out where they are.
I don't go out except when I have to. I go to work because I am an essential employee and I go to the grocery store. And I will go for walks outside where I can keep my distance.
But that isn't the point. The point is those people are the ones perpetuating the spread.
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
You sure told her! Good job! You set those people straight, by God. You have a right not to wear a mask, dammit!
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Aren’t all decent folks doing these kinds of things?
I don't know how you define "decent folks", but no, not everybody is doing that. In fact, a large portion of people are doing the opposite. And that is why we haven't been able to shut this virus down.
Decent folks, the one’s who aren’t selfish in their actions outside of their particular bubble and care enough about others to do the right thing, the decent thing.
Mandating coronavirus face masks would strengthen US economy: Goldman Sachs New lockdowns would reduce GDP by 5%
By Jonathan Garber - FOXBusiness
A national face mask mandate would slow the spread of COVID-19 and potentially prevent the reinstatement of lockdowns that would wreak havoc on the U.S. economy, according to Goldman Sachs.
The daily number of new coronavirus cases reached a record 44,726 on Friday as a number of states including California, Florida and Texas experienced a surge in infections. Deaths and hospitalizations, meanwhile, are holding near their lowest levels since late March.
“The economic benefit from a face mask mandate and increased face mask usage could be sizable,” wrote a Goldman Sachs research team led by Chief Economist Jan Hatzius. Such an action, however, would lie well outside the authority of the White House; any executive order to do so would be unenforceable, serving merely as a recommendation.
As for Congress, it's "well established that personal health is an area of governance that has been reserved by the Tenth Amendment to the states," said Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano. "Congress can spend money on it, but it cannot regulate personal behavior in order to enhance personal health."
While health officials have urged Americans to use masks to curb the spread of COVID-19, the items have become a political flashpoint, with some arguing they're unnecessary and refusing to don them.
More widespread usage, though, might avert additional damaging stay-at-home orders. Also intended to rein in the pandemic, such measures forced nonessential businesses to shutter their doors beginning in mid-March, leading to the sharpest economic slowdown of the postwar era.
The U.S. economy shrank by 5 percent during the first three months of 2020 and is expected to have contracted by at least 30 percent during the second quarter. About 47 million Americans have filed first-time unemployment claims since the pandemic began.
The resurgence of the virus as lockdowns were lifted, however, has caused a number of states to slow their reopenings and sparked concern that some parts of the country would reinstate the closures.
Since the first wave of infections in March and April, it has “become clear that broad lockdowns are not the only way to lower virus transmission significantly,” Hatzius wrote.
The Trump administration issued a national “recommendation” in April that Americans wear a mask to help avoid COVID-19 transmission. The suggestion came after the World Health Organization said on March 30 that there was “no specific evidence” that wearing a mask provided any benefit.
Nearly 70 percent of Americans self-reported face mask usage in public, but that number varies from state to state, according to Goldman.
Statewide mandates for mask usage have raised the number of people who “always” or “frequently” wear masks by 25 percentage points and a national mandate could “increase U.S. face mask usage by statistically significant and economically large amounts” in states like Florida and Texas, the bank said.
Mask usage lowers the infection growth rate by 1.3 percentage points in the approximately two weeks following a mandate and reduces the death rate by 3.7 percentage points after a month, according to Goldman.
While Hatizus said a national face mask mandate could substitute for lockdowns that would cause a 5 percent drop in gross domestic product, the economic impact would be uncertain due to the firm’s analysis being based on a number of statistical relationships.
Still, it “suggests that the economy could benefit significantly” from a national face mask mandate, Hatzius wrote.
JMHO- living north of Tampa, FL. This virus has further split our nation, the elderly, I'm one, think it is "evident" all should wear a mask- yet younger folks think you're taking my rights away AND statistics say I'm not going to die from this disease. That's PROBABLY true, but is it right thing to do. When our Gov opened bars and restaurants, some did it well, yet there were PLENTY who didn't, and the beaches were PACKED after "long lockdown" - each generation is different and times have changed significantly- I reflect on how Jews trying to survive the Holocaust hide completely for years- yet modern man and women can't handle weeks.
We don't know STILL enough about the virus, don't wear a mast, hope your grandparent, or parents don't die because your rights were bothered. Glad you put that elderly woman in her place, should have made you proud and highly respected in your community. God Bless All
And only adding to the increased feeling of depression this whole thing has brought about.
I know it doesn't change your personal day-to-day, but please know that you got folks here who care about you, and are pulling for you. Some of us go back all the way to the old board and the Couch/Holcomb days.
As coronavirus cases in Texas continue to skyrocket, Governor Greg Abbott warned Friday that he may have to implement a lockdown if the numbers don't come down. The governor has reiterated several times this week that his statewide mask order must be followed.
In Texas, the number of coronavirus patients who are hospitalized has quadrupled in the last month to nearly 10,000,
Last call: Las Vegas to shut bars down again Friday night to thwart coronavirus spike
USA TODAY Dawn Gilbertson and Ed Komenda, USA TODAY ,USA TODAY•July 10, 2020 0:03 2:34
Heading to the newly reopened Las Vegas Strip?
The choice of places to grab a drink — and eat, if you have a large party — may shrink substantially beginning late Friday under new coronavirus restrictions announced by Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak late Thursday.
Bars are returning to Phase 1 restrictions under the state's reopening plans at 11:59 p.m., PDT meaning those without food have to close except for curbside pick up where applicable. Nevada is the latest in a series of states to pause or rollback reopening plans.
Restaurants must close their bar areas, even if they have tabletop video gaming machines, and can no longer serve parties larger than six people inside. Restaurants can still serve alcohol but for now, you can't grab a drink at the bar while you wait for your table.
"We know that COVID-19 can easily spread when people are congregating for long periods of time, like inside a bar,'' Sisolak said in announcing the new measures. "In states where we have seen significant spikes, such as Arizona, Texas and Florida, they have all taken actions to roll back bars. Recently, Dr. Fauci, the U.S.'s top infectious-disease expert, advised that congregating in bars poses a significant risk and is one of the most dangerous things people could do right now. We must heed his advice."
Nevada is one of 19 states whose citizens being asked to quarantine upon arrival in the New York metro area and Chicago due to its recent surge in COVID-19 cases. According to the state health department, Nevada has more than 25,900 cases and 579 deaths. The Reno Gazette-Journal, part of the USA TODAY Network, reported Friday that the state had more than 1,000 cases in the last 24 hours.
No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service: Las Vegas mandates face coverings
Fauci says states need to address problems with COVID-19 response: 'If you don't admit it, you can't correct it'
Bellagio has doubled down on coronavirus precautions with partitions separating video poker machines, blackjack and poker tables. Bellagio has doubled down on coronavirus precautions with partitions separating video poker machines, blackjack and poker tables. It's unclear how the restrictions will affect casino bar and restaurant operations, a staple of any visitor stay. Given the last-minute notice and Sisolak's pledge to provide more details Friday, Las Vegas' major hotel casinos say they are still working out the details.
"We first saw the new guidelines last night, and we are reviewing them this morning,'' Caesars Entertainment spokesman Robert Jarrett said via e-mail.
A big concern, of course: The new restrictions will likely spark trip cancellations as the tourism hotspot struggles to get back on its feet after a nearly three-month closure. Casino hotels only reopened five weeks ago.
The topic of closing the bars again came up Thursday night at The Bar at Times Square, a popular piano bar at New York-New York Hotel & Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. . A guest who was there told USA TODAY the piano player told visitors to "enjoy it while you can'' since the bar would close Friday.
Asked by phone early Friday how the shutdown would affect guests at the luxe Bellagio, a customer service representative had to talk to a manager. She came back on the line and said the hotel is still awaiting clarification but added that visitors can still get drinks in the casino.
"Even though bars are closing, you can still have drinks while you're playing (casino games),'' she said.
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Right here, my friends, lies the enemy. Ignorance is an ugly beast.
I’ve watched once seemingly coherent people lose their damn minds during this pandemic.
I have little hope for our future. Honestly, the number of people spitting in the face of this, and pretending it’s going away soon or isn’t even real, boggles my mind.
This is the worst I’ve ever felt about this country. Seriously, I’m feeling hopeless.
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Are you sure it didn't get quiet in there and so many people were looking at the ground because that's where you ended up after the lady beat your ass down?
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Are you sure it didn't get quiet in there and so many people were looking at the ground because that's where you ended up after the lady beat your ass down?
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Are you sure it didn't get quiet in there and so many people were looking at the ground because that's where you ended up after the lady beat your ass down?
He never did say how the story ended...
It ended with everyone in the post office, and now everyone on this board, knowing he’s an inconsiderate, self entitled, science denying, poorly parented arse.
This has to be fake right?? I can't imagine anyone acting like this is so proud of his behavior that he'd post about it on a message board... ridiculously childish...
I personally think we should be wearing masks in public currently.... I get people who don't want to... but I don't understand people who feel the need to berate and insult those who have a differing opinion...
This has to be fake right?? I can't imagine anyone acting like this is so proud of his behavior that he'd post about it on a message board... ridiculously childish...
I personally think we should be wearing masks in public currently.... I get people who don't want to... but I don't understand people who feel the need to berate and insult those who have a differing opinion...
That was my thought. This has to be a joke because no adult would be proudly say they acted like this. My wife took my son to a little kids' haircut place that has strict mask, cleaning, and distancing protocols in place. A parent got all bent out of shape because she was stopped because she didn't have her mask on, and started dropping f-bombs in said toddler haircut place (not unlike the earlier poster's story). My wife said the majority of the other parents that were there assisted the staff in getting that trash human being outta there.
Did a curbside pickup for lunch yesterday from a sandwich shop near the house. The staff that brought it out had the mask pulled down off her nose. Mouth was covered but nose wasn't. I reheated my sandwiches when I got home.
I rarely curse at all. I was keeping to myself. Some people need to learn to mind their own business. If it was a Male that addressed me instead of me I would have reacted the same way.
As far as my parents go in regards to raising me. My biological father left me at birth and my biological mother simply pawned me off on Her younger sister. Then I ended up in foster homes. So no I never has proper biological parents To raise me.
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Are you sure it didn't get quiet in there and so many people were looking at the ground because that's where you ended up after the lady beat your ass down?
He never did say how the story ended...
It may end up with some of his victims being in the ICU or the morgue. But I suppose he thinks maybe that's okay?
If he ends up falling victim to it himself, I think Strother Martin described it pretty well in Cool Hand Luke...
Here's the stupidity behind it all. Let's compare it to smoking. You have the right to smoke. But yet even though it's legal to smoke, you can't smoke where it impacts other people. Your rights do not entitle you to inflict your personal choices to risk the health and well being of others.
The same with these dumb asses who don't wear masks. They think they have the right to risk your health and your life because they don't give a damn about their own. Or don't have enough common sense to understand the difference.
I rarely curse at all. I was keeping to myself. Some people need to learn to mind their own business. If it was a Male that addressed me instead of me I would have reacted the same way.
As far as my parents go in regards to raising me. My biological father left me at birth and my biological mother simply pawned me off on Her younger sister. Then I ended up in foster homes. So no I never has proper biological parents To raise me.
Sorry to hear that but one can choose how they act going forward. What you displayed at the post office was by your choice. Be better.... or not, your call. Just don’t expect praise when you call yourself out for being a jerk.
I went to the post office in Twinsburg the other day. Minding my own business 3rd in line this woman had the audacity to ask me where My mask was. And then she proceeded to ask me if I 6 ft. Away from Her. I took a,step foward and said " 1st of all its none of your %÷÷!÷ Business where my mask is !": 2nd of all ....I can stand 6ft or 4 ft if I choose too! " " show me in the state of Ohio by law that says that I have Be 6 ft apart from you !!" Then I said "why do you write a letter to your governer DeWine When he gets out of bed with Amy Acton he can read it...and then give it to his puppet Amy Acton to read" The Twinsburg Post Office never got so quiet as it already was I never saw so many people look at the ground
Are you sure it didn't get quiet in there and so many people were looking at the ground because that's where you ended up after the lady beat your ass down?
He never did say how the story ended...
It may end up with some of his victims being in the ICU or the morgue. But I suppose he thinks maybe that's okay?
If he ends up falling victim to it himself, I think Strother Martin described it pretty well in Cool Hand Luke...
Here's the stupidity behind it all. Let's compare it to smoking. You have the right to smoke. But yet even though it's legal to smoke, you can't smoke where it impacts other people. Your rights do not entitle you to inflict your personal choices to risk the health and well being of others.
The same with these dumb asses who don't wear masks. They think they have the right to risk your health and your life because they don't give a damn about their own. Or don't have enough common sense to understand the difference.
Stop being a tough guy or whatever you think you might be and wear a damn mask.
Sorry to hear ... i cant even imagine ... if your blessed with children hopefully your experience will help u be a better parent ...
I agree folks need to learn to mind there own business ... i don’t think she’s one of them ... u didn’t wear a mask and didn’t stay 6’ away .... thats rude and potentially dangerous ... your old enough to know that ... U don’t wanna wear a mask but stay 6’ away you may get a glare or a disgusted look from me but i won’t say a thing ... u get too close and we’d have words ...
And in my world ... u don’t cuss at women ... PERIOD!
Did a curbside pickup for lunch yesterday from a sandwich shop near the house. The staff that brought it out had the mask pulled down off her nose. Mouth was covered but nose wasn't. I reheated my sandwiches when I got home.
something similar happened to me last week ... I went to grab food for my GRANDMOTHER (and even expressed so much) and they employee at Wegmans was wearing the mask irresponsibly.
I’m young enough to “probably” not be affected much, but I got angry.
In an appearance on MSNBC Friday morning, Gallego said Abrazo Health, which operates seven hospitals across the metro Phoenix area, “has run out of morgue beds.”
“Maricopa County […] just announced that they are going to be getting refrigerated trucks because the Abrazo Health care system has run out of morgue beds,” Gallego said.
But Abrazo Health spokesman Keith Jones said in a statement that the hospital system has not run out of morgue space. It has, however, requested “refrigerated storage” as part of the state urging hospital systems to enact “crisis care” standards.
“Abrazo hospitals currently have adequate morgue space,” Jones said. “Abrazo has taken a proactive approach by ordering refrigerated storage in the event it may be needed during a surge of COVID patients. At this point it is not needed.”
And: “Our planners at Unified Command are moving toward acquiring coolers and staffing because OME is currently near capacity for body storage,” Blyler said. “This is a situation that occurs almost every summer and is further complicated by the current pandemic.”
Not trying to down play anything here, just showing parts of the article. It's a situation that happens almost every summer.
Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.
And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.
Only venturing a guess here but maybe they will be tested and those results will be in within that ten day window. At least I would hope they'll be tested. Otherwise I have no idea of what purpose a ten day window would serve.
Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.
And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.
Probably because by the time they were notified multiple days had gone by since their contact with the positive cases. So if four days had already passed another 10 would suffice.
Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.
And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.
Probably because by the time they were notified multiple days had gone by since their contact with the positive cases. So if four days had already passed another 10 would suffice.
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers: 2,780 confirmed deaths: 4 new, way down from 27 yesterday 3,036 total deaths: 256 probables 60,328 confirmed cases: 1,328 new cases, down from a record 1,494 yesterday 64,214 total cases: 3,886 probables
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Other breakdowns: 928 current hospitalizations (same as yesterday) 299 in ICU (up from 289 yesterday) 155 on ventilators (up from 151 yesterday) 979,149 total tests administered - 23,452 new; 23,863 new yesterday Positivity rate 6.9% (on July 9); 7-day moving average 5.9%
Karen Kasler @karenkasler As @CDCgov and nearly all experts recommend masks and say it shouldn’t be political or controversial, and with mask mandates in four surrounding states and a mask mandate in hotspot Franklin County, this is planned at the Ohio Statehouse a week from today, per @Tylerjoelb
Yeah I'm pretty good parent. My kid is a real estate agent So I hope he got my work ethic and drive I just can't believe this female had nothing else on her mind at that time other than why I wasn't wearing a mask And that I potentially wasnt 6 ft away from her.
What I find dangerous more so than the CO 19 is the paranoia it has instilled in people How it's divided a already divided nation.
The media isn't helping matters If I was a jerk so be it I spoke my mind just as she was permitted to. You get horns when you poke the bull.
I agree. I made a reply to the guy yesterday morning, but the post was taken down. A good thing. I suppose one of the benefits of being a long time board member who hasn't caused much trouble.
He just ticked me off. His smug attitude towards masking and cussing and getting in a woman's face.
This gentleman who lives near here died from COVID on July 4th. He was 37. This is not a hoax. The article below is interesting reading, but I can't post it due to the profanities. Check out his very last Fb post in that article.
We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.
We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.
We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.
Let me start by saying that I don't know what the dynamics are between these scientists, the government and Pharma. I don't know who is acting or not acting but I know this much. If Pharma developed this, it would be quite lucrative.
Right now we are using this therapy (convalescent plasma) as treatment for the sickest of the sick.
At this point we have to use natural plasma. Meaning that a person needs to become sick with Covid, recover, then donate their blood. That blood has to be tested to show that they have developed enough antibodies to be helpful. This puts that plasma on very short supply. So we reserve it for the very sick to try to prevent deaths.
These scientist talk about converting this convalescent plasma into an intramuscular shot. We do this already with a few infections. Hepatitis A, Varicella (chicken pox - very important for pregnant women who get exposed) and even small pox. Hepatitis A and chicken pox are easy to come by because so many people have antibodies. Small pox is different so if a patient needs it the doctor has to call the CDC, there is a conference call with several hundred people on it and the decision is made on whether or not to release the plasma.
So again, getting convalescent plasma is not as easy as it sounds and coronavirus antibodies are in short supply. My hospital (a midsize hospital - ~500 beds) struggles to even get convalescent plasma for patients who are rapidly progressing towards death.
To bring things full circle, the cost of 1 dose (after it was developed) would probably run between $30,000 and $50,000 per dose. If 10% of the $329 millions Americans get it (3 million) at $30,000, that is what $9 trillion? That isn't even counting Europe or the rest of the world.
So money isn't the issue. It's a great concept but fact is, coronavirus antibodies are not readily available to manufacture such a product. Additionally, it won't provide lifelong protection. Likely somewhere between 6 months and 2 years
Well, my son called and he tested positive. He's been feeling weak, short of breath with generalized body aching and cold symptoms for the past week. With a lot of urging from us he was tested on Thursday and got the results yesterday. They gave no recommendations for further action with the results. He said the symptoms haven't worsened in the past few days, so we're going to call our pcp in the morning. He has underlying conditions of asthma and ulcerative colitis.
We haven't had physical contact with him for 3 weeks, though his fiancee came to visit 10 days ago, before he had symptoms. She's asymptomatic, and they won't test her.
Your son's story sounds very similar to what my two children experienced. Hang in there, man. They ended up being fine. On Father's Day, we did a group text and I was a bit emotional and said I had prayed that if any of us got it, I was hoping it would be me. They chided me and said that it was better they got it due to their age.
My message is that this sucks for your family, but chances are that it will all work out. The recommendations they gave your son are exactly what my kids heard. They were both okay in a couple of weeks.
Hang in there. I know it sucks, but chances are that it's going to be fine. One question: Is he in good health otherwise? He doesn't have any bad preexisting conditions, does he?
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers: 2,801 confirmed deaths: 21 new, a 425% increase over 4 yesterday 3,058 total deaths: 257 probables 61,669 confirmed cases: 1,341 new cases, up from 1,328 yesterday 65,592 total cases: 3,923 probables
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Other breakdowns: 954 current hospitalizations (up from 928 yesterday) 289 in ICU (down from 299 yesterday) 154 on ventilators (down from 155 yesterday) 1,002,463 total tests administered: 23,314 new; 23,452 new yesterday Positivity rate 6.7% (on July 10); 7-day moving average 6%
Sorry to hear this, but more than happy to pray over this for you and for each involved. Blessings, and strength, and healing. keep your faith strong. Praying all will be well.
All of the mainstream media articles are talking about how we broke a new record number of cases each day and how this guy refused to wear a mask and died. These articles provide little to no value at this stage of the pandemic.
We need to be looking at the data. We need understand what data to look at to beat this thing. We need to be looking at normalized data that examines the most meaningful ratios of COVID-19.
I don't claim to know what all of those are but I know that we really need to understand the data behind COVID-19 to respond in the proper way.
We all know cases are spiking wildly. We don't know why deaths are lagging behind cases in a different manner relative to the first wave of the virus.
We need better data visualization to truly understand this and what is going on here.
Is this because the strain of the virus spreading in certain areas is more contagious and less deadly?
Is this because we massively under-reported actual cases of the virus during the initial wave?
Is this because the viral load people are exposed to when wearing a mask is lower than what people were exposed to before a large portion of the population started wearing masks?
Is this because the people getting infected right now are younger and less likely to die?
Is this because the volume of testing has increased overall?
Is it a combination of some or all of the above?
I would love to see a graph that tracks the ratio between the following metrics locked to the top of the page.
Percentage of Positive Tests. Tracking this percentage by region would help us understand hotspots and how virulent the virus really is globally in different areas.
New Deaths Normalized By Population / New Cases Normalized By Population ( Converting this into a percentage might help us track the trending death rate of the virus as it evolves. Tracking this ratio and other similar ratios might help us understand when and if the virus evolves )
Net New Active Cases By Region ( Current Active Cases - Recovered Cases ) - - According to this dashboard the number of net new cases worldwide has decreased. This obviously isn't true for the US but it's still something we all should be following if we are interested in understanding the key trends of the pandemic.
Tracing Coronavirus clusters Type by location
WHERE are the clusters occurring? We know bars and restaurants are hotspots. But what about grocery stores? Gyms? Does EVERYTHING need to close during a new wave? Why can't we create a better heatmap of all the clusters for everyone to monitor?
I think it is widespread enough that we can't tell where a individual may have contracted the virus. Was it a grocery store? A restaurant? A mailbox handle? Some persons cough? A large beach party?
It does seem that we have found the use of some drugs to at least mitigate some of the worst drains on a persons health. MMR shots look promising. Malaria drugs, now some plasma shots.
I don't know, maybe we are just throwing the kitchen sink at it in the hope of finding the right thing.
I don't actually know of any Malaria drug that the medical community believes is helpful. What they have actually found to be helpful is the antiviral drug remdesivir.
I've been staying away from the board recently because I'm pretty sure there's not going to be a season and it bums out pretty hard but I came back today because I was curious to see how this crowd was feeling about this issue in particular. I find it so incredibly stupid how this has become a political issues but so much of our country is simply in the jaws of pan-politicizing literally everything so it's not really surprising.
I'm in New Jersey, just outside of NYC and we know probably about 20 people personally that have been through the wringer with this. Most went through what would be typified as a pretty bad flu but came out of it ok. A handful of others got creamed or killed. What's strange to me is that more than half of the people we know that got the worst of it aren't "high risk".
My brother inlaw had a fever over 101 for 23 days, went to the hospital twice though they sent him home. His fever is gone now but he's dealing with some major neurological and chronic pain issues. He's 42, a 4 day a week surfer, engineer by trade, can-do guy who remodeled his whole house single-handedly, fit and otherwise healthy and he's been totally felled.
Guy I played music with, his wife is a doctor and both came down with it. She recovered in about 2 weeks but he's been up and down and up and down, alternating tests back and forth between positive and negative since late march. He's late 30's, trains MMA and is also pretty fit and healthy. I've never heard him complain about anything and he can barely get out of bed. It's so strange.
My wife's great aunt died in early June but she was in her 90's, bed riden with a live-in aide. She went quick, 2 days from positive test to dead.
Just learned over the weekend that my wife's cousins in NYC were knocked on their keesters for 3 weeks and almost went to the hospital. They're ok now but still dealing with lingering effects.
I've found myself alternating between stupid teenager who thinks he can handle anything and why not just get it over with and a wizened elder who's taking every precaution. In March I thought this was all just a big over reaction, a big internet freak out. Now? Having seen what it's doing to the people around us, I've certainly changed my tune.
I don't know about a vaccine. The people I know in that world seem to indicate not to expect anything robust for a long while. The virus mutates rapidly. I've got my hopes pinned on a treatment after infection. Something like what Tamiflu is for the flu. Let's hope Remdesivir pans out.
I don't actually know of any Malaria drug that the medical community believes is helpful. What they have actually found to be helpful is the antiviral drug remdesivir.
I thought I read they used that to treat malaria. Maybe it was some other drug.
The point is they are trying a lot of different drugs, and some seem to at least have some positive impact. Or, maybe it is simply a placebo and the patient thinks it is working, so they will themselves better.
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers (briefing expected tomorrow): 2,807 confirmed deaths: 6 new, a big drop from 21 yesterday 3,064 total deaths: 257 probables 62,913 confirmed cases: 1,244 new cases, down from 1,341 yesterday 66,853 total cases: 3,940 probables
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Other breakdowns: 949 current hospitalizations (down from 954 yesterday) 293 in ICU (up from 289 yesterday) 159 on ventilators (up from 154 yesterday) 1,020,811 total tests administered: 18,348 new; 23,314 new yesterday Positivity rate 6.5%; 7-day moving average 6.1%
I've lamented on here the turmoil parents like us are feeling with the new school year coming up.
The last thing you want is for your kids to get sick. Not going to school is also not good, especially for my kids' age. Their emotional and social development depends on it.
Yes it has changed. The longer the virus has been out there the more they know. Remdesivir is the go to drug at this time which has shown the best results to this point.
I totally get it. One of the huge problems is that kids, if they were to go back now, would not have the same interaction they usually do with their classmates or teachers. My wife and her coworkers have been discussing all the possible scenarios and none of them make any sense.
Jester. He works as an Infectious Disease doctor in Charlotte, NC. I think that that info is correct.
He said this in response to another post:
Quote:
Let me start by saying that I don't know what the dynamics are between these scientists, the government and Pharma. I don't know who is acting or not acting but I know this much. If Pharma developed this, it would be quite lucrative.
Right now we are using this therapy (convalescent plasma) as treatment for the sickest of the sick.
At this point we have to use natural plasma. Meaning that a person needs to become sick with Covid, recover, then donate their blood. That blood has to be tested to show that they have developed enough antibodies to be helpful. This puts that plasma on very short supply. So we reserve it for the very sick to try to prevent deaths.
These scientist talk about converting this convalescent plasma into an intramuscular shot. We do this already with a few infections. Hepatitis A, Varicella (chicken pox - very important for pregnant women who get exposed) and even small pox. Hepatitis A and chicken pox are easy to come by because so many people have antibodies. Small pox is different so if a patient needs it the doctor has to call the CDC, there is a conference call with several hundred people on it and the decision is made on whether or not to release the plasma.
So again, getting convalescent plasma is not as easy as it sounds and coronavirus antibodies are in short supply. My hospital (a midsize hospital - ~500 beds) struggles to even get convalescent plasma for patients who are rapidly progressing towards death.
To bring things full circle, the cost of 1 dose (after it was developed) would probably run between $30,000 and $50,000 per dose. If 10% of the $329 millions Americans get it (3 million) at $30,000, that is what $9 trillion? That isn't even counting Europe or the rest of the world.
So money isn't the issue. It's a great concept but fact is, coronavirus antibodies are not readily available to manufacture such a product. Additionally, it won't provide lifelong protection. Likely somewhere between 6 months and 2 years
So there is the "price" to administer plasma treatment and then there is the "actual hard cost" to administer the plasma treatment. Knowing what I know about the medical industry, I wonder what the differences are in those two numbers...
If this is something that was subsidized by the government could it be administered in bulk? This would only be an option IF the hard cost to do so was not astronomically cost prohibitive and only if we had a delivery mechanism to do so.
I do have a few questions in regards to immunity. If person "A" receives plasma treatment for coronavirus, is this treatment effective for all strains of this virus or only the one they originally contracted? ( I have heard that there are as many as 8-30 strains of the novel coronavirus)
Knowing that some people seemingly get reinfected would suggest that that person...
1) Had COVID-19 antibodies that completely wear off after a certain amount of time (2-4 months).
or...
2) Was reinfected by a different strain of coronavirus that is unique to that individual.
or...
3) Never fully recovered from the original coronavirus infection.
For the sake of argument, if someone is infected with strain 3 out of 30 of COVID-19, are they now immune ( for as long as those antibodies exist) to other similar yet mutated strains of the virus?
And IF someone has antibodies for strain 3 of 30 of the coronavirus, does that help them develop antibodies if they are exposed to coronavirus strain 5 of 30?
It is my understanding, and this may well be outdated, but there are 8-30 mutations, but only a couple of strains. The original pretty much burned itself out in Wuhan, but the second is the most prevalent and is what we are dealing with. I actually am not aware of more than two strains.
The distinction is that a strain is a mutation that changes the behavior whereas it is common for there to be mutations that do not affect the behavior. These mutations can be used as markers to trace lineage of infection and is how, back in March, it was determined that the first cluster in Seattle was directly linked to the first case that arrived there, though they were six weeks apart with no known new cases between them. Since they had the same mutation, it was indisputable that they were related and the latter one came directly from the former (albeit perhaps through others along the way).
For reinfections, it has not been determined conclusively, yet, that people can actually be re-infected. It is unknown whether it is possible or if those cases were simply false-negatives prior to "re-infection". Given the wide variability in testing reliability, it is entirely plausible that there hasn't been any re-infections.
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers (briefing expected tomorrow): 2,813 confirmed deaths: 6 new, same as yesterday 3,069 total deaths: 256 probables 64,013 confirmed cases: 1,100 new cases, down from 1,341 yesterday 67,995 total cases: 3,982 probables
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Other breakdowns: 1,017 current hospitalizations (up from 949 yesterday) 314 in ICU (up from 293 yesterday) 156 on ventilators (down from 159 yesterday) 1,020,811 total tests administered: 18,956 new; 18,348 new yesterday Positivity rate 6.2%; 7-day moving average 6.3%
No worries - cases are going to go to go down drastically starting tomorrow:
I copied this from a reply on drudge to this same topic. If I were the hospitals or a governor, I simply would not send this info or would also release publicly. But this sounds like some tin pot strongman tactic.
In a letter slated to go out this week, Trump will ask governors to "consider" sending the guard to hospitals to "help improve data collection." As the president of the American Hospital Association states, this "makes no sense." If the National Guard is going to take a more active role in handling the coronavirus pandemic, double-checking hospital data does not really seem like the best use of their skills and abilities. If the whole idea isn't suspicious enough to begin with, this plan coincides with a new directive that would eliminate sending data to the CDC. Instead, data will be sent through state agencies and federal contractors to new central federal reporting from HHS.
Hospital officials ignored the idea because "it's silly." But not everyone let the idea slip so easily, one industry official called the discussion "an offhand threat," directed at hospitals White House coronavirus task force response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx
Bring everything back to phase 1, get Dr. Acton back to her original post, mandate masks across the entire state, massive fines to those who don't otherwise comply, gives the fine money to an overloaded hospital system, and tell the dolts who won't comply things won't go back to where they were until everyone is wearing a mask.
Be safe, Ohioans. Sorry a bunch of nincompoops who aren't following the advice of medical professions are screwing everything up.
anonymous and public, WOW, wonder what the conspiracy crowd would think about the anonymous part....who's stuffing the box for what purpose?
Agree the whole thing has been a cluster, but anonymous ISN"T the answer, JMHO.
It is VERY hard to determine what to believe, BOTH sides are using their selected pieces to make their political points.
I took anonymous and public as meaning releasing the positive/negative stats but without identifying the individuals, directly to the public instead of reporting to some government agency that then decides what they want to report depending on what agenda they want to push.
Big Pharma Exec Says Lawmakers Touting Vaccine By Year's End Doing ‘Grave Disservice’
HuffPost Nick Visser HuffPostJuly 15, 2020
The CEO of one of America’s largest pharmaceutical companies issued a bleak warning about the prospect of a vaccine for the novel coronavirus by the end of the year, saying lawmakers touting the possibility were doing a “grave disservice to the public.”
Ken Frazier, the CEO of Merck, made the comments in an interview with Harvard Business School last week. He directly targeted politicians who have asserted that a vaccine is around the corner, without naming President Donald Trump, saying such statements were premature and “actually tell the public not to do the things that the public needs to do.”
“What worries me the most is that the public is so hungry, so desperate to go back to normalcy, that they are pushing us to move things faster and faster,” Frazier said during an interview last week with Harvard professor Tsedal Neeley. “But ultimately, if you’re going to use a vaccine in billions of people, you better know what that vaccine does.”
He said that Merck’s most recent vaccine against Ebola took more than five years to produce, saying such research “requires a rigorous scientific assessment.”
“And here we didn’t even understand the virus itself or how the virus affects the immune system,” he continued.
Merck is one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world and has been working alongside dozens of other major research groups to develop a vaccine to the coronavirus. Medical officials have stressed that even with social distancing measures, society will only be able to return to a pre-pandemic normal with an appropriate vaccine of therapeutic treatment for those that contract COVID-19.
Trump has repeatedly stressed that a vaccine is not far off, saying this month three efforts “are really, really looking good” and “we think we’re going to have it soon.” The White House has funneled resources into an effort called “Operation Warp Speed” to do so, and while some trials have shown promise, there are still many unanswered questions.
“I think when people tell the public that there’s going to be a vaccine by the end of 2020, for example, I think they do a grave disservice to the public,” Frazier said last week. “I think at the end of the day, we don’t want to rush the vaccine before we’ve done rigorous science. We’ve seen in the past, for example, with the swine flu, that that vaccine did more harm than good.”
“We don’t have a great history of introducing vaccines quickly in the middle of a pandemic,” he added.
Frazier has publicly sparred with the Trump administration before. In 2017, he resigned from one of the president’s business advisory councils after the White House failed to criticize white nationalists in Charlottesville.
“I feel a responsibility to take a stand against extremism,” Frazier said at the time.
Sounds to me asif the want to be able to manipulate the numbers
As of now the numbers, especially the infection rate, prove the lies coming from The White House. So if you can manipulate or hide the numbers it makes those lies harder to prove.
Fauci’s group concluded that neutralizing antibodies do get produced, and all 40+ enrolled in the trial didn’t have any very serious reactions. I read the worst they saw was a small flu type reaction, but nothing debilitating like covid can be. Don’t articles like the one you posted disregard phase trials and potentially contribute to the nonsensical anti-vacation crowd?
I’ve read that a vaccine against a coronavirus is typically a challenge due to mutations, but my current understanding is the only mutation is in the number of spike proteins. The genetic makeup of the proteins hasn’t changed, yet. The mRNA vaccine gives cells instructions on how to dismantle the spikes. I know you probably know this due to your position of employment, but I also wanted to bring this to light on the board so everyone knows what’s going on.
I know Portland said we may only get like a 2-4 month immunity, but shouldn’t these results from Moderna and Oxford give us a little hope? Trevor Bedford/Nexstrain have still yet to share any significant data on a major mutation which renders any current vaccine design obsolete.
Daniel Uhlfelder @DWUhlfelderLaw BREAKING: Florida has passed 300,000 cases of COVID-19 after reporting 10,181 new cases and 112 new resident deaths today
Daniel Uhlfelder @DWUhlfelderLaw Hospitalizations increase by at least 453 among residents, highest increase recorded yet. Positivity for the day is about 14%
Daniel Uhlfelder @DWUhlfelderLaw It took Florida 114 days to record its first 100,000 COVID-19 cases between March 1 and June 22. It took 13 days to record the second 100,000 and 10 days to reach the third.
We should know by Halloween if they work and to what extent. The next round of trials for the two biggest candidates (Oxford and Moderna) wrap up around then.
Yeah, but I would think they would have a good idea before then. At the very least, they're looking into this specifically and can share how they're going to figure it out.
Karen Kasler @karenkasler .@GovMikeDeWine speech on COVID-19 at 5:30, and here are today's Ohio numbers: 2,819 confirmed deaths: 6 new, same as yesterday 3,075 total deaths: 256 probables 65,287 confirmed cases: 1,274 new cases, up from 1,100 yesterday 69,311 total cases: 4,024 probables
Karen Kasler @karenkasler Other breakdowns: 1,027 current hospitalizations (1,107 yesterday) 316 in ICU (up from 314 yesterday) 146 on ventilators (down from 156 yesterday) 1,020,811 total tests administered: 18,832 new; 18,956 new yesterday Positivity rate (as of July 13) 5.3%; 7-day moving average 6.4%
Fauci’s group concluded that neutralizing antibodies do get produced, and all 40+ enrolled in the trial didn’t have any very serious reactions. I read the worst they saw was a small flu type reaction, but nothing debilitating like covid can be. Don’t articles like the one you posted disregard phase trials and potentially contribute to the nonsensical anti-vacation crowd?
I’ve read that a vaccine against a coronavirus is typically a challenge due to mutations, but my current understanding is the only mutation is in the number of spike proteins. The genetic makeup of the proteins hasn’t changed, yet. The mRNA vaccine gives cells instructions on how to dismantle the spikes. I know you probably know this due to your position of employment, but I also wanted to bring this to light on the board so everyone knows what’s going on.
I know Portland said we may only get like a 2-4 month immunity, but shouldn’t these results from Moderna and Oxford give us a little hope? Trevor Bedford/Nexstrain have still yet to share any significant data on a major mutation which renders any current vaccine design obsolete.
The last thing that I would want to do is contribute to the anti-vaxxer idiocy. The point of the article is to not put the cart before the horse. There are still a lot of questions yet to answered.
1, is it safe? At this point here have been no significant adverse reactions reported but the numbers of people exposed is small. Also, will there be any delayed reactions? Not much time has passed.
2, yes, all people exposed developed antibodies. Are those neutralizing antibodies? Are they produced is sufficient quantities to confer protection? How long will the immunity last? Will we need a booster? Will we need annual covid shots with our annual flu shot?
3, once we have those answers an an adequate vaccine has been developed, how long will it take to ramp up production? We are still struggled getting adequate tests, why wouls vaccine production be that much more efficient?
To date, the fastest a vaccine development has achieved all of that has been 4 years. I am not familiar with the modalities that Oxford/AstraZeneca are using but Moderna is using a novel technology. This gives both promise and pause. The promise is that maybe we can develop a vaccine at an unprecedented speed. The pause is that there have yet to be a vaccine developed using this technology. Though reportedly they have several promising candidates in the pipeline.
1, is it safe? At this point here have been no significant adverse reactions reported but the numbers of people exposed is small. Also, will there be any delayed reactions? Not much time has passed.
Yeah, hopefully the next phase gives us a better idea.
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Are those neutralizing antibodies? Are they produced is sufficient quantities to confer protection? How long will the immunity last? Will we need a booster? Will we need annual covid shots with our annual flu shot?
They were neutralizing to the level or exceeded those who recovered from covid. As per the rest is something that hasn't been released, nor do I think any of us will know until two years or so from now.
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how long will it take to ramp up production? We are still struggled getting adequate tests, why wouls vaccine production be that much more efficient?
From what I've read, the vaccines are being produced as we speak. Yeah could be a giant coloassal waste of money to make something that doesn't work, but the vats for Oxford and Moderna are churning out enough to hopefully cover the entire world population by the end of the year.
There's been other talks about how syringe production may not match vaccine production, but I haven't read into that too much.
Moderna's and Oxford are both mRNA based. I'm blown away by the tech. It's super interesting. I hope it works as I read it could do a lot for cancer and HIV/AIDS if effective for covid.
