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I don't remember Chris Hubbard getting hurt during the game.

definitely dont like our chances if randall cant suit up.

we dont have the secondary to stop kupp and cooks.

Originally Posted By: Swish

definitely dont like our chances if randall cant suit up.

we dont have the secondary to stop kupp and cooks.

Randall is a big piece of our secondary, more than some would admit. I agree with you.

Ill put Chief on that list of needs to suit up too. We have 0 behind David in Harris and Brown.

im really upset over that mayfield throw. he set njoku up to fail soooo hard.

hopefully he can make it back. i really dislike harris at TE

Randall and Njoku would be really nice to have ... almost mandatory to have for this game. I was hoping that we were playing it more safe than anything by holding them out against the Jets

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

Randall and Njoku would be really nice to have ... almost mandatory to have for this game. I was hoping that we were playing it more safe than anything by holding them out against the Jets

There is no playing it safe with a concussion. That is out of the team's hands.

Higgins not listed. That's good.

Certainly need Randall back.

My guess is that both Randall and Njoku will be out.

After Njoku our tight ends SUCK!

Is Hubbard out?

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

Randall and Njoku would be really nice to have ... almost mandatory to have for this game. I was hoping that we were playing it more safe than anything by holding them out against the Jets

There is no playing it safe with a concussion. That is out of the team's hands.

Yes, I understand that. Thanks.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

My guess is that both Randall and Njoku will be out.

I certainly hope not. These are two that I think we need to be able to pull off an upset.

Hubbard is in a walking boot.

According to the official website's depth chart there is no second string RT.

Lamm is listed as second string LT. Have not seen if he is still injured.

We have a guy named Paul Adams on the practice squad who is a undrafted free agent and was with the Giants before being cut.

This is something that has been a concern IMO for a long time. Our starting tackles are not considered to be even average. Our depth at the position can not considered better than the starters.

So one of the guards will have to play tackle if Hubbard is out.

There are few options available. But something needs to be done. Not sure what?

Dorsey has to find someone. I have wanted Trent Williams but have no idea what will happen with him. Washington is not talking. Williams is not showing up. There are other teams like the 49ers and others who are in need.

This is a real problem. We lose another guy from the OL to injury and we are in big trouble.

Originally Posted By: bonefish

Hubbard is in a walking boot.

According to the official website's depth chart there is no second string RT.

Lamm is listed as second string LT. Have not seen if he is still injured.

We have a guy named Paul Adams on the practice squad who is a undrafted free agent and was with the Giants before being cut.

This is something that has been a concern IMO for a long time. Our starting tackles are not considered to be even average. Our depth at the position can not considered better than the starters.

So one of the guards will have to play tackle if Hubbard is out.

There are few options available. But something needs to be done. Not sure what?

Dorsey has to find someone. I have wanted Trent Williams but have no idea what will happen with him. Washington is not talking. Williams is not showing up. There are other teams like the 49ers and others who are in need.

This is a real problem. We lose another guy from the OL to injury and we are in big trouble.

How "Browns" will it be to have Pharoh Brown lining up at a RT Sunday. . . . .

When Hubbard moved to LT in week one.

McCray went in to play RT.

Justin McCray was benched in Week 1 after single handedly allowing four pressures, a hit and one sack.

The Rams will take notice.

Our OT situation leaves a lot to be desired ... and most of us know Hubbard is below average at best .... but NOT having him and it’s a trainwreck waiting to happen

Here is the link

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/...lly-thin-at-ot/

I am guessing but Corbett maybe forced into action.

Not real confident about that.

well....i mean hey maybe he's one of those guys who looked like crap in practice, but come actual game time steps it up?

Originally Posted By: Swish

well....i mean hey maybe he's one of those guys who looked like crap in practice, but come actual game time steps it up?

Ah... blind optimism... the last line of defense.

Oof. Our tight end depth was already shaky. Rico Gathers is still a free agent.

We need to trade for a TE.

Originally Posted By: Dave

We need to trade for a TE.

When in doubt look at the Dolphins roster.

Mike Gesicki is a super athletic guy who has done next to nothing in the league (he’s in his second year). He was drafted in the second round in 2018 so my guess is that the compensation they would want back would be pretty high.

Nick O’Leary is a versatile player who has played fullback and special teams. He hasn’t done much as a receiver in his career. We could probably get him for very little.

Gosh darn it

J/c

Do we call about Gisecki?

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

J/c

Do we call about Gisecki?

Call? Yes. My guess is the price will be too high.

Harris and Brown will not cut it King John!

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

The worst part of that play was that he was wide open early. Baker decided to not throw it to him. He then looked downfield and began to scramble to the right and then threw it very late to Njoku as pressure was finally getting to him and when Njoku was covered.

These are the kinds of mental mistakes that need to be reduced.

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

After Njoku our tight ends SUCK!

Is Hubbard out?

And for that matter, Njoku isn't all that good.

We might be better off with him out and just going with the blocking guys. Get a back in to the passing gameplan.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

After Njoku our tight ends SUCK!

Is Hubbard out?

And for that matter, Njoku isn't all that good.

We might be better off with him out and just going with the blocking guys. Get a back in to the passing gameplan.

we’ll certainly find out ... let’s just hope our blocking TEs can block

Speaking of a trade, there's some back up TEs I'd be interested in. Might cost us a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick next year, but we need a pass catching TE now.

Ben Watson (NE) (suspended until week 5)
Jack Doyle (Indy)
Jonnu Smith (Tenn)
Jeff Heuerman (Den) (yes, I'm a Buckeye honk)
Dallas Goedert (Phil)
Jesse James (Det)
Cameron Brate (TB)

Brate is a possibility I think ... Goddert and Doyle probably not

Aaron Donald was limited in practice due to a back injury.

Man sucks about njoku...

Originally Posted By: ErikInHell

Aaron Donald was limited in practice due to a back injury.

sounds like he’s on track to play then ... that’s unfortunate for us haha

J/C

Im guessing Seth Devalve is not available anymore. . . .

Seth Nicolas DeValve is an American football tight end for the Jacksonville Jaguars of the National Football League.

How 'bout the TE we let go in 2018...Cajuste??

Originally Posted By: TrooperDawg

How 'bout the TE we let go in 2018...Cajuste??

https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/31/hard-knocks-star-devon-cajuste-retires-football/

We have three tight ends currently on the roster. That is enough bodies. Whether they are talented enough or not is the question. My guess is that we see a lot more Ricky Seals-Jones. I think he is the most talented non-Njoku tight end on the roster.

If I were a Ram fan I'd be uneasy about Gurley with that arthritic knee. Their backs have split about 50/50 duties I think, so I know the Rams are keeping him on a "pitch count."

Usually if you don't practice on Thursday you don't play.

Originally Posted By: TrooperDawg

If I were a Ram fan I'd be uneasy about Gurley with that arthritic knee. Their backs have split about 50/50 duties I think, so I know the Rams are keeping him on a "pitch count."

Not really, they are 7th I believe in rushing with 140 a game (given only a 2 game sample), but they still rush the ball VERY well.

Hubbard hasn't been good this year, but if can't play...........

At least Justin McCray will have had a full week of practice instead of being forced into action with less than a week with the team.

With that said, losing a starter is never good.

I really hope randall can return

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/injury-report/

Below is not the full list, just some key players that did not practice

Morgen Burnett Quad DNP
Chris Hubbard Foot DNP
Christian Kirksey Chest DNP
David Njoku Wrist/concussion DNP
Larry Ogunjobi Ankle DNP
Damarious Randall Concussion DNP
Adarius Taylor Ankle DNP

Our list 3X the size of Rams. smh.

The #Browns starting LB Christian Kirksey is out this week as the team tries to figure this out.

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

He has a chest injury that might require surgery.

#Browns Christian Kirksey has a potentially serious chest injury that might require surgery. Conferring with docs to determine best course of action

@MaryKayCabot

Tries to figure what out?

Losing Kirksey is a big blow, IMO.

He's been playing great.

It's not ideal to have a rookie linebacker playing a ton of snaps against McVay's offense.

Sounds like a potentially torn pec. That's not good, at all.

j/c...

Greedy and Ward added to the injury report. We might be able to afford losing one of those guys but not both.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

Sounds like a potentially torn pec. That's not good, at all.

If that's what it is then he has likely played his last game with the team.

Holy smokes, we are BEAT UP!!

What is going on?!?!?!

We are just decimated

what in the heck is going on with our injuries.

Hopefully Wilson is ready.

Man, being this injured is not good when hitting the hard part of our schedule.

Each day more injuries show up....

There are simply too many injuries to compete with the Lambs now.

What is odd is that we’ve had a few guys suddenly show up on Thursday with injuries

Kirksey is the star that almost was. Dude is pure glass. Sucks but he won’t be here after this year.so does that mean we could see takitaki and Wilson

I think this is what happens when you have a cupcake camp and sit preseason. Once it’s live you get injuries because you aren’t used to the speed and physicality

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

I think this is what happens when you have a cupcake camp and sit preseason. Once it’s live you get injuries because you aren’t used to the speed and physicality

I thought camp was the opposite of cupcake. Pads nearly every day.

A big deal was made about this.

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

I think this is what happens when you have a cupcake camp and sit preseason. Once it’s live you get injuries because you aren’t used to the speed and physicality

Cupcake camp??? Are you out of your mind?

We probably spent more time in pads than any other team in the NFL this preseason.

I think the truth is in between. I think lead is wrong, but I think most of the tough camp thing was talk from Freddie. Meanwhile, a ton of guys didn't practice. Especially our vets like OBJ, Richardson, Vernon, etc.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

I think this is what happens when you have a cupcake camp and sit preseason. Once it’s live you get injuries because you aren’t used to the speed and physicality

Cupcake camp??? Are you out of your mind?

We probably spent more time in pads than any other team in the NFL this preseason.

Ohh they were in pads... so? They weren’t doing anything game speed. Majority of first and second teams didn’t play but a couple series all preseason

If you want to complain that the 1st team didn't play that much in the pre-season, well, that's legitimate. (though guys like OBJ and Landry, and others were nursing injuries that kept them out almost all pre-season)

Teams are only allowed so many full contact practices by virtue of the latest CBA. No one can practice more full contact than any other team ..... unless they want to risk losing draft picks.

Freddie did keep players beyond the scheduled end times in practices because of mistakes and such.

We spent more days in pads then most teams, and yes, it is hotter, heavier, and makes practices harder than playing in shorts. (even if it's not a contact practice)

Getting back to the topic... there are way too many popping into the injury report late in the week. This is weird and worrisome. My Spidey sense is tingling.

Please expound. This could be interesting.

I don't think Freddie was consistent. Some players were held accountable. Others sat. He made them run some times, but didn't make them run after we started fights against Indy when we scrimmaged them.

Believe me, players recognize such inconsistencies. It's hard for a coach to earn respect from players and it's easy to lose it. Take a look at Freddie's victory speech last week and compare that to Hue's vs Baltimore last year.

Other than Baker and Randall, I have a hard time believing the rest of the team are happy about the change.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

Other than Baker and Randall, I have a hard time believing the rest of the team are happy about the change.

That's a pretty big assumption.

My mind is jumping to worst-case, illogical conclusions. Hopefully it's just a coincidence, and not anything wrong with the way practices are run, or the team's morale.

I don't think so. Watch the vids of Freddie's victory speech and then watch the one w/Hue when we beat the Ravens last year. Listen to the words of Joe Thomas, Kirksey, Charles, etc, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong. I have no problem w/Hue being gone. I don't agree w/the masses about why he was bad, but I don't want to get into that crap because the dudes who argue against him are unreasonable. But, I thought he had a couple of huge flaws.

1. He talked too damn much. Got himself into trouble w/his big mouth.

2. Was too friendly w/the players and the team lacked discipline.

I have no problem w/him being good, but I think Freddie was hired because Baker disliked Hue and he likes Freddie. I doubt the other players share that sentiment.

I'm the one that pointed out the victory speech and how lackluster both the speech and player reactions were.

Having said that, it's a large jump to assume the players don't like Freddie in general other than Baker. Before game 3 of the season. After a win.

Freddie and Baker and Odell acted like they lost the game in their post game pressers. The general mood was down across the board. There really wasn't much to get excited about after just beating a high school team. I think it's reasonable to assume the reaction had as much to do with that as a dozen other things it could have been.

Sometimes it seems to me people want this team to fail and all the people involved with it to fail. I have to be honest Vers, this sounds like wishful thinking by you.

Can we just acknowledge that players and coaches across the board are going to make mistakes? That they aren't going to be perfect? But given time, they will get better?

Who's talking about hue? What was his record?

Of course it is a stretch. But, not more than comments like Baker is a HOFer or Freddie is Ready or the Browns are going to win multiple Super Bowls.

And I have no idea what you mean by wishful thinking? The only thing I can think of is that you believe I want them to fail. If you truly believe that...........we probably should not talk anymore.

Victory speeches are overrated. How many times have we seen Belichick address a winning locker room and he sounds like his dog just died. I also remember Tony Dungy giving speeches that made me want to fall asleep. Judging a team's relationship with their coach based on a minute long clip seems unwise. What really matters is if the players respect the coach. I don't know if the players respect Freddie Kitchens or not, a lot of that has to do with the team only having played two games.

On the tough training camp topic -- we had a tough training camp by today's standards but there really isn't such a thing as a tough training camp anymore. The last CBA legislated training camp to the point where it is not too tough at all. I think this makes teams a little more rusty going into the season but it also probably prevents a ton of injuries.

As far as playing in preseason -- there were a bunch of teams that sat their players for the whole of the preseason and they started the season fine. There were also teams that played their players in the preseason and they started the season fine.

In the end the injuries are alarming, especially the ones that seem like they occurred midweek. That seems like lack of care is being taken during practice (or it could just be random). Luckily we have more depth than we have had in previous years. Mack Wilson won't be as good as Kirksey but he should fill in pretty well. Terrance Mitchell is basically a starting corner that doesn't play. My guess is that the guys that were limited were limited as a precaution and most will play on Sunday.

Just adding on I guess: I don’t think Baker will like Freddie nearly as much if he keeps regressing lol. Freddie seems to have lost sight of what made us good last year

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Victory speeches are overrated. How many times have we seen Belichick address a winning locker room and he sounds like his dog just died. I also remember Tony Dungy giving speeches that made me want to fall asleep. Judging a team's relationship with their coach based on a minute long clip seems unwise. What really matters is if the players respect the coach. I don't know if the players respect Freddie Kitchens or not, a lot of that has to do with the team only having played two games.

On the tough training camp topic -- we had a tough training camp by today's standards but there really isn't such a thing as a tough training camp anymore. The last CBA legislated training camp to the point where it is not too tough at all. I think this makes teams a little more rusty going into the season but it also probably prevents a ton of injuries.

As far as playing in preseason -- there were a bunch of teams that sat their players for the whole of the preseason and they started the season fine. There were also teams that played their players in the preseason and they started the season fine.

In the end the injuries are alarming, especially the ones that seem like they occurred midweek. That seems like lack of care is being taken during practice (or it could just be random). Luckily we have more depth than we have had in previous years. Mack Wilson won't be as good as Kirksey but he should fill in pretty well. Terrance Mitchell is basically a starting corner that doesn't play. My guess is that the guys that were limited were limited as a precaution and most will play on Sunday.

With regards to victory speeches;
If you expect to lose and instead you win, it is easy to get excited. If you expect to win against an outmatched oppenent and do, there isn't that much to get excited about. Especially when the team still looks discombobulated in several areas. With the shorter than usual turnaround (as if the normal week wasn't short enough), it's time to get to work on the opponent and our own issues that need cleaned up. Excitement can lead to playing out of control like we saw in week 1. Perhaps we will benefit from a more workman-like approach.

As far as easier training camps preventing injury, I'm not sure if this is true or does it merely postpone them? Football is a violent contact sport. Injuries are going to happen.

As far as injuries showing up mid-week, players try to play through things. Adrenaline and painkillers can cover up a lot. It's waking up on a Wednesday and having trouble getting out of bed that has some decide they should probably get some treatment. If they get treatment, they are supposed to show up on the injury report.

Football seasons are often battles of attrition. Let's hope Dorsey has improved our depth as much as we believed.

I just saw that we elevated Jackson from the PS .. this could mean we’re planning to be without some DBs Sunday

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

I just saw that we elevated Jackson from the PS .. this could mean we’re planning to be without some DBs Sunday

we also brought back Lewis

Both Greedy and Ward were added to injury report

What the heck is going on now ... Wilson not practicing?

If both Greedy and Ward are out it could get ugly.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

If both Greedy and Ward are out it could get ugly.

Very. We need at least one of them and have Mitchell as well. Having neither? Ugh.

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

If both Greedy and Ward are out it could get ugly.

Very. We need at least one of them and have Mitchell as well. Having neither? Ugh.

...plus no Randall and Burnett/Redwine. I wasn't too worried about missing Randall last week with the Jets QB and WR situation, but now we need him.

As far as the injury report is concerned we can expect this result Sunday night...

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

As far as the injury report is concerned we can expect this result Sunday night...

I think all the 'questionable' players will play.

Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg

I think all the 'questionable' players will play.

Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg

I think all the 'questionable' players will play.

I don't. They didn't sound too confidant on CBD today in Greedy or Denzel playing. Said Burnett very questionable too.

They brought back Donnie Lewis and called up Robert Jackson - don't look like ward or greedy are going to make it.

I dont think it looks good for Ward, Greedy, Randall or Burnett .... other than that, our secondary will be stout

Lol , Ward musta pulled his hammy in camp cause he hasnt been covering or tackling anyone yet this year..

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

It looks like Hubbard is going to play (?). That's good news, at least.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

I know it ... for how healthy we were TWO weeks ago, this is crazy

Can we call up the commish and ask to move this game to our bye week? Sheesh!

And this is a nationally televised game too. It will be a long week of hearing, "The Browns aren't living up to the hype. Sure, half their team is on crutches, but I knew they'd crumble under the pressure. Same old Browns."

Yeah, it’s not a good game to be without our best players

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

Mono.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

This is all really weird. I get the injuries from the last game. But Ward and Williams weren't on the injury report earlier this week, and then they get put on there. Maybe Kitchens is just doing like the Patriots used to do when Tom Brady was on every injury report, but played every week.

Something just doesn't make sense.

i'm surprised we haven't brought in some DB help. Some serviceable vets sitting there like shields, berry,munnerlyn

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

i'm surprised we haven't brought in some DB help. Some serviceable vets sitting there like shields, berry,munnerlyn

You can only do so much because you have to have the roster spots to do that, which means we have to cut someone in order to make room for the extra DBs.

Originally Posted By: brownsfansince79

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

This is all really weird. I get the injuries from the last game. But Ward and Williams weren't on the injury report earlier this week, and then they get put on there. Maybe Kitchens is just doing like the Patriots used to do when Tom Brady was on every injury report, but played every week.

Something just doesn't make sense.

I'm a little concerned that we're still going full-tilt in practices, or something like that.

It's a long season, these guys get hit enough on Game Day; they don't need the extra hitting at the office during the week. Their bodies need to recuperate & recover for the next round.

Oh my!

I step away from the real world for a two-day work retreat and it feels like half of the starters are out.

Yikes.

Lol a lot of it is mental? Sounds like my dad or uncles ... we’ll see if our questionable guys end up playing

A lot of players on the questionable list in the NFL play week in and week out. However, all of the late week additions I do find troubling.

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

Lol a lot of it is mental? Sounds like my dad or uncles ... we’ll see if our questionable guys end up playing

That's not what he said or meant. More liberties by the media.

He meant guys who are injured but understand the mental aspects of the game can still play even though they are hurt.

The media is shameful.

Njoku now on IR.

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

Njoku now on IR.

$#!+

Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

Njoku now on IR.

$#!+

$#!+$#!+. (X2)

That sucks

Injury settlement? Antonio Brown?

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

Njoku now on IR.

Maybe Freddie is taking a "Belichickian" approach to over-reporting injuries? If a lot of these "questionables" end up playing Sunday, that's what I'm going to think.

At this point just forfeit the damn game lol. We were probably gonna lose anyways.....by the end of the game the whole defense will be lost for the season

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

Njoku now on IR.

Glad he won’t need surgery but... He’s a player that could least afford this type of setback. A gifted athlete that hasn’t really shown himself as a great TE. There were many holes in his game he needed to shore up this season. I’m not sure he’ll have the time.
If I’m Dorsey I’m looking for his replacement in 2020’s draft.

Njoku is a borderline bust. All the tools just doesn’t translate into production. We def need to upgrade TE this off season. Devalve finally healthy would have been a big help. Swing and a miss by JD on the TE position this year. It was serviceable coming into the season and he made it a liability

I agree about the TE position ... it needs a re-tooling to provide Baker with the safety valve (aka Witten, Heath, etc) AND it needs better blocking depth

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

What the Hell is going on in Berea??!!!??

I began saying this on the old board when LeCharles went down on Day One of training camp. I've been repeating it through K2's motorcycle/staph cluster, starting our 3rd string QB in Week 5, the and almost 20 years of front office dysfunction...

Over and over I've said this, and it's never been considered. It's never even been commented on.

"Why doesn't someone test the groundwater in Berea?"

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: SuperBrown

After Njoku our tight ends SUCK!

Is Hubbard out?

And for that matter, Njoku isn't all that good.

We might be better off with him out and just going with the blocking guys. Get a back in to the passing gameplan.

Valid point, I'm interested to see what RSJ can do with an opportunity at some serious touches.

He had a lot of hype last year with Arizona (in the fantasy world) but it never materialized on a crappy roster. So hopefully he can bring us something useful in the passing game.

This is the exact opposite of no injuries ....

Were making up for last years lack of injuries very rapidly ...

This is not good ...

? We had a crap ton of injuries last season.

I didn’t think so .... we had no more than most ... i’d say we were below average in the number of injuries last year .....

And none were to the key positions like this year .... sheesh bro ... our entire starting secondary might be out ...

The sad part dawg ... as bad as Hubbard is we can’t afford to lose him cause his back up is so bad cause the 2nd team swing tackles all ready out ...

This will be our 3rd game and if Hubbard doesn’t suit up we will have had our starting tackles having played as much time as our 3rd stringers ....

And if Hubbard does suit up how bad is he going to be at less than 100% ...

Neither scenario comforts me .... *L* ....

I agree about Hubbard. He’s below average, but AT LEAST he’s some resistance. We need him to play

I think at one point we had kirksey, schobert, and Mitchell out at the same time.

Ward was concussed. And we had injuries on offense last year.

It’s yet another season of us banged up.

Two weeks in and our secondary is decimated.

What gets me is that the way they are showing up late in the week many appear to be mostly self inflicted during practice!

Well they just shut down Kirksey for the year (IR)...damn, the sky is falling everywhere right now.

Whole secondary is doubtful or questionable...starting TE is out for q couple months, Oline is still a mess...and who knows if Higgins will be able to play.

Every team deals with injuries. Good teams find a way to game plan around it. If we're moving in the right direction, we will find a way to deal with this. Yeah, it's not ideal by any stretch. And it hurts when you lose starters, no doubt.

But let's not pretend that we're the only team that has injuries. I think the Eagles are starting Doug Pederson's dog at WR.

So either we whine and make excuses about it, or we deal with it and move on.

Oh, and if the Rams win on Sunday, I'm looking forward to the media and fans saying it wasn't really that impressive of a win because we had so many guys hurt.

Rams: OUT: TE Tyler Higbee (chest); QUESTIONABLE: G Austin Blythe (ankle), DT Aaron Donald (back).

Browns: OUT: LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring).

That list of injuries after two weeks is just absurd

Reading only from this board, a person could get the idea that a team can place 30 folks on IR, (for the season,)

but no worries because 29 of them might come back after week #10,

Only one player is eligible to come back after being placed on injured reserve, and it used to be zero.

Bringing back all the players in a position group, to your team, from the year before, is a thing that helps because,

How can anyone think the team has a real grasp of best football usage of this player, considering,
The number one option at TE is looking like Ricky-Seals-John(s),

And his time on the Browns can be measured in days, (not even months or weeks, but days), what is it 27 days or so for your #1 TE, not even around for preseason week #3.

This kinda thing effects winning percentage,
But!

nobody, or, too many seem happy when they continue to do it.

" Keep the team together." Did I say that 17 years ago,

You know what I'm going to start saying now, " Stop listening to New York."

When it comes to making decisions on your football team, and what's going to get you where the wins are, Stop listening to New York, because they don't have your teams best interest in mind.

Actually they can bring back two players from injured reserve.

Originally Posted By: northlima dawg

Rams: OUT: TE Tyler Higbee (chest); QUESTIONABLE: G Austin Blythe (ankle), DT Aaron Donald (back).

Browns: OUT: LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring).

Most of these people are questionable. So they may play tomorrow. Or at least, likely next week. Its not a total horror show yet.

Kirksey to IR

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brown...s-2018-absence/

It sounds like his is more serious than Njoku’s

At least these injuries are happening early in the year so we can potentially get these guys back with some games left.

yay we're gonna finish 6-10 instead of 4-12!!

Originally Posted By: northlima dawg

Browns: OUT: LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring).

Nice list, but it feels more like:

Browns: OUT: LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring).LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy WilliamsLB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring). (hamstring).LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy WilliamsLB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring). (hamstring).LB Christian Kirksey (chest), T Kendall Lamm (knee), TE David Njoku (concussion, wrist), S Damarious Randall (concussion); QUESTIONABLE: S Morgan Burnett (quadricep), WR Rashard Higgins (knee), T Christopher Hubbard (foot), S Sheldrick Redwine (hamstring), DE Chris Smith (not injury related), LB Adarius Taylor (ankle), CB Denzel Ward (hamstring), CB Greedy Williams (hamstring).

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Njoku is a borderline bust. All the tools just doesn’t translate into production. We def need to upgrade TE this off season. Devalve finally healthy would have been a big help. Swing and a miss by JD on the TE position this year. It was serviceable coming into the season and he made it a liability

I've always been a huge Devalve guy. I think he and Baker would have done well together. But.. he's not longer here so it is what it is.

As far as Njoku.. the more and more I think about it.. He's essentially the TE version of Greg Little... Looks the part.. but inconsistent as heck. I was/am hopeful though that he can produce, as his stats did improve year 2.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

Kirksey to IR

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brown...s-2018-absence/

That just sucks. Guy is a real leader for this team. I hope I'm wrong, but I wonder if he's played his last game in a Browns uniform. Hurt last year, hurt this year. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I like him.

We have a lot of injuries, but a lot of the guys are questionable and may play. This is a game we can win.

It seems to me that "questionable" guys generally play.

I liked it better when there was Probable, Questionable, Doubtful, and Out.

Big difference between Questionable and Doubtful for us who like to wager.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

I liked it better when there was Probable, Questionable, Doubtful, and Out.

Big difference between Questionable and Doubtful for us who like to wager.

I didn't know they changed this.

When was that?

Last year.

Originally Posted By: Rishuz

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

I liked it better when there was Probable, Questionable, Doubtful, and Out.

Big difference between Questionable and Doubtful for us who like to wager.

I didn't know they changed this.

When was that?

Yeah, I didn't know that either.

You two have me doubting myself. LOL

Week 3 injury report for Sunday's NFL games - NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001056945/article/week-3-injury-report-for-sundays-nfl-games

There are guys listed as doubtful on some teams' lists.

Aha, I see ... they eliminated the "probable" designation.

Here's an article from 2016. I didn't see anything more recent.

The NFL's small injury report rule tweak will be a huge pain for fantasy - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-n...in-for-fantasy/

I was a little off. They removed "Probable," but not "Doubtful."

Quote:

NFL removes 'probable' designation from team injury reports
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Aug 22, 2016

Kevin SeifertESPN Staff Writer

The NFL confirmed Sunday a streamlined policy for reporting an injured player's game status during the regular season, a move that addresses the rise of gamesmanship among teams that want to limit that information for competitive purposes.

Under the revised policy, approved recently by the NFL competition committee, the "probable" category has been eliminated and the remaining classifications have been redefined.

Two days before kickoff, teams must list injured players as "questionable," "doubtful" or "out" for that game.

"Questionable" players, per the policy, are "uncertain" to play. Previously, the definition was that there was a 50 percent likelihood of playing.

"Doubtful" means the player is "unlikely" to participate in the game, and "out" means he "will not play." The previous definition for "doubtful" was a 75 percent likelihood that he would not play.
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A primary intent of the changes is to nudge teams away from listing relatively healthy players on an injury report. According to the league, roughly 95 percent of players listed as "probable" in prior years ended up playing.

"If there is any question concerning a player's availability for the game," the policy reads, "he should be listed as 'questionable.'"

It remains to be seen whether teams will go along with the change or just shift players they once would have listed as "probable" into the new "questionable" category.

As in previous years, teams also will be required to file practice reports during the week to confirm the extent of practice participation. All injured players must be listed under one of three categories. If he did not practice, the terminology will be "did not participate." If an injured player practices, he will be listed under either "limited participation" if he took less than 100 percent of his normal reps or "full participation" if he took 100 percent of his normal reps.

If an injured player is certain to play, even if he has been listed on the practice report, he cannot be placed on the game status report. In theory, this will minimize speculation about a player who in truth is cleared for normal duty.

An official explanation will be required by the league if any team deactivates an injured player who was not listed under the game status report. Discipline is possible if the spirit of the policy is violated.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1736...ble-designation

Yeah, it’d be nice to know if they were questionable/probably or questionable/doubtful lol

So the CBs will be Greedy and Mitchell .. we’ll see if we’re better this way since Ward’s been struggling

Well, either cooks or Kupp, were about to find out if this is a breakout game for greedy, or a baptism.

j/c:

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

So the CBs will be Greedy and Mitchell .. we’ll see if we’re better this way since Ward’s been struggling

We are all entitled to our opinions, but I am going to address this because I have read quite a few negative posts across the forums about Ward. He has given up some completions, but he is not playing nowhere close to as bad as what some of you are suggesting.

His situation reminds me of how people judge the OL. They see a few sacks and immediately claim the OL stinks. The truth might be that the qb is holding the ball too long and the team is running 11 personnel and not providing any help for the OL.

In Ward's case, I have noticed that the defense rolled the coverage toward the opposite side of the field. It's hard to see that on every play because the cameras don't consistently provide us that view of the field. However, I have noticed either Greedy or Mitchell [game one] who had a safety providing help while Ward did not have the same help.

Another thing to consider before people continue trashing Ward is that this team is playing a lot of zone coverage. I think the negative comments about Ward are unfair.

Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

So the CBs will be Greedy and Mitchell .. we’ll see if we’re better this way since Ward’s been struggling

We'll get to see that if Greedy plays, and then only until he tweaks it again which probably won't take long.

Greedy, Ward, and Higgins inactive. Oof!

Mitchell and Carrie are better than some duos we've trotted out in the past at least.

Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg

Greedy, Ward, and Higgins inactive. Oof!

Mitchell and Carrie are better than some duos we've trotted out in the past at least.

Carrie is a slot corner. I don't know who will be covering the other outside receiver.

Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg

Greedy, Ward, and Higgins inactive. Oof!

Mitchell and Carrie are better than some duos we've trotted out in the past at least.

Love the silver lining attitude!

Would be nice to have our players on the field for once tho :-/

Hope the D-line can get so much pressure it doesn't matter! :-D

Robert Jackson?

Originally Posted By: Rishuz

Robert Jackson?

Yikes.

Maybe move Carrie outside and have Whitehead or Murray cover the slot with Burris at safety?

Interesting that Burris is starting over Redwine even after we cut him.

Williams and Ward are both on the inactive list for the Browns on Sunday night.

Both corners suffered hamstring injuries late in the practice week. TJ Carrie, Terrance Mitchell, Tavierre Thomas and Robert Jackson will be active at corner against Los Angeles.

The Browns will also play without safeties Morgan Burnett and Damarious Randall. Randall was ruled out on Friday while Burnett was listed as questionable with a quad injury. Right tackle Chris Hubbard, offensive lineman Kendall Lamm and wide receiver Rashard Higgins round out the inactives.

We be in deep do do... Baker needs 45 points tonight to have a shot..

j/c...

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

j/c...

maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the RT from last night wasn’t awful ... really didn’t see a difference

j/c...

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

j/c...

It will be nice to get them, but honestly Mitchell and Carrie and Murray were good lat night... Whitehead not so much