Continue the discussion here.....

OL is having a horrible night ... Callaway not catching that pass cost us BIG time ...

Is there a reason to continue?

It may be time to just close the thread and start a new one next week.

Not so much playful banter on the sidelines. The job is a little different when you are sitting in the driver's seat AND calling the ummm plays

Not over ... Yet

WR’s except juice can’t catch, o line can’t block, baker can’t stop turning the ball over.

Defense can’t stop the run.

Defense kept us from being down 42-3

Zone blocking is killing us. We better have an answer on Defense

It's halftime and I don't stay online during the actual game, but Baker stinks and Shanny is schooling Freddie.

We have way more talent than they do, but Baker and Freddie are holding us back.

Been there done this...This all looks too familiar. I think I am gonna go ahead and get a couple more hours of sleep. Good night all.

He should be cut immediately

Only had an entire long week to prepare. All anyone has talked about is Shanahan's scheme and it's like we've never seen it before.

Just run no huddle rest of the game and have baker call the plays. Can’t be any worse. We wasted a lot of money this offseason

Yes it did, could have been 14-10.

Anyone watching Robinson and think a first for Williams is too much ?

Ugly...glad we got that half out of our system. We may not win this one but I expect we'll show up in the second half. If we don't, then we are not the team that I believed we could be...

agreed!

Not only that, they’d be pinned back and we could stop/score again. Biggest play of the game

Why are we 20 yards off the WR

Funny every other team run picks and rubs except us

Good play burnett

Defense

Freddie says, "Do your job." Shanahan says, "Dominate these clowns."

THAT was a pro pass

Tough to win on the West Coast. The season is not lost.

No pressure at all

Come on

Now they just salt us away to exhaustion

They're going to have their way with us the rest of the game.

This is a complete lesson for freddie

It's not coaching, rather it's execution (or lack thereof)...

Ward and Greedy where are you

I see Freddie’s adjustments working. Fire that idiot seriously

We have no idea what we're looking at. On O or D.

Embarrassing

Td here seals it.....

Vernon sucks. WhT a horrible trade all around

LB stiff armed off the play, might as well stopped and had a sandwich.

Man oh man

Boys -vs- men.

We could play worse if we tried

The way these runners pound, Ward would be guaranteed another concussion.

No heart at all

Browns spent the week reading Ravens press clippings.

Too easy

Get embarrassed Browns, get embarrassed

Game over.....2-3

Garrett was held and no call

Seems like we dont handle success very well ... a sign of poor leadership

lol

Yay

Greg Williams defense never gave up these many back breaking plays

No reason they shouldn't hang 70 on us and keep us scoreless the rest of the way. They're palying a completely different game than we are.

How can anyone watch this and not realize what needs replaced

Can't even stop them with 12.

Lmao and a 12 man penalty on us

I suppose a 7-9 season is still possible. We need to concentrate on offensive line in the draft

Let it go Williams ain't coming back and thank Goodness

yeah this is pretty bad lol

That's why you dont take the ball first to start the game

Our next two games are the Seahawks and patriots.

We suck

To me, our team is very bipolar .. in terms of effort, attitude, play calling, scheme, preparation ... it legit feels like a different team every week

And Baker has about 5% of the confidence/success as last year

not ideal

I think the players in teams around the NFL circle our games and make sure to smash us in the mouth.


Baker Freddie and the national media have brought this on the teams.

So 2-5 here we come?

Booger is right ... DEFER the kick from here on out. IDIOTIC again

Stop returning please

They said Freddie will learn from it...obviously not lol

This is awful, but the doom and gloom is just as bad. Our division stinks and we have 5 games left vs them plus Arizona and Miami. Baltimore plays these teams too.

Why? Why return that?

Baker should stop making commercials and put that time into film room, practicing on NOT watching the WR from the start and getting his passes off sooner and lower

Meanwhile, all former Browns coaches and QBs are sitting somewhere laughing their asses off.

Time to pad the garbage time stats.

Freddie is so in over his head

Mayfield can’t throw with anticipation

3rd and long again

Uh... Why are we running the ball down by 25?

Brady Quinn is that you

home-run ball, wasted down

Baker is trash right now

Because we cant throw lol

Baker has a really telegraphed release this game

What's the batted ball count this year on baker?

Bad Game all around finish it out and trash it ...

We are rightfully gettting bashed by all social media outlets

They don't even know how to call the right plays for garbage time.

Eli found obj with a worse line than ours. What’s that say about freddie/baker

I remember Weeden got a lot of batted passes from staring down his target...same must hold true with Baker plus being 6ft doesnt help.

Lol sheesh. People calling him Baker Sanchez.

Calloway ruined any chance we might have had

At this point, maybe its best for us to lose 42-3

Can Gilbert be any worse?

So, like, no hurry up?

OBJ injured

Shanahan should put in his scrubs to give them some playing time.

We are going to be 2-3 we need to win at least 1 of the next 2 and we will be alright with a lot more manageable schedule the 2nd half ...

Well, that trade Dorsey made...what was it, oh yeah, Oliver Vernon for the best Guard in Football, Kevin Zeitler, is looking like a pretty bad deal right about now.

Well, I'm exaggerating a bit, it's not Vernon's fault nor the lack of Zeitler, at least not completely, but my point is, we need to have a solid OL, trading Zeitler did hurt what had a chance to become a pretty damn good OL, now, it needs to be fixed, again.

I read somebodies post in the first GDT, they said, no matter what the Browns do the rest of this game, they can still win the division, well, that is true, but the way they're playing, even if they win the division, they're a one and done team in the playoffs, if they were to get thewild card, maybe, just maybe they can win that game.

Bring back zampese

So as much as everyone rips Pittsburgh, we will only be one game ahead of them...and I'm sure we will got crushed by Seattle

I have thought that since after the Jets win.

Of course they will win the challenge, nothing can go wrong for them.

ESPN's win probability for the 9ers is 99.4%...so we still have a chance!

When does Freddie give up his play calling to save his job? Week 8?

Yep they’ll win this

Zeiter doesn’t influence Baker to make better decisions. Baker is getting plenty of time.

Vernon’s quiet, but this awful performance all season is on Baker.

My biggest concern, outside of coaching, is that Baker looks worse than I could imagine. He’s regressed to the max

We will win the division in spite of being young and learning.

For the first time in 20 years this was a desirable coaching gig and we crap the bed

Getting sick of watching this team show up completely unprepared to play good teams. It's like we prepare all week to be cute without a thought for the other team, then when we get trash-boned, everyone stands around looking befuddled, talking about, "We don't listen to outside noise."

We can't tackle tonight either

Bunch of poor tackling pansies

Ugh

We're laying down in the 3rd Q.

No one is forcing you to watch.

www.buffalobills.com

Oddly enough NYG are playing better now that they dont have OLine troubles and bad QB play.

This team sucks. Waste of our time and hard earned money.

Sad, Tevin Coleman isnt even fully healthy and hes running everywhere.

Spent all offseason trading and signing big name players and forgot to upgrade the offensive line after trading zeitler

Told ya, they are gonna rush for 300

They’re closing in on it

Only one QB could be successful with this line, mahomes

Correlation does not equal causation.

All I know is NYG love both Peppers and Zeitler...Peppers has been their best defender

He will be fine next year. He just needed to get kicked in the teeth this year so he gets to work in the off season.

What pathetic effort

Wimps. Need to collect some man cards

TACKLE SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!

i would love to see dawgs4life and VD QB behind this line

Even when they’re not attacking our D we still get pushed over

i've been waiting for these prime time games to come to an end before picking up the Sunday Ticket, thought i could get a prorated price. At this rate, this garbage isn't worth paying for. I'll save time and money.

Will there ever come a day when the Browns get sick of being the league bitches?

Lol they ain’t even gonna allow our offense back on the field

Need to pluck some oline from SF practice squad. Dorsey failed imo. We spent a ton of money and spent pucks and are only marginally better

I thought it would be now, Cal ... but apparently not

If they throw the ball in under 2.65 seconds or lessmmm they would be fine.

I’m sure they would read the defense better than your “god” is right now.

Breida should of have bounced that outside

The offensive play calling is so incredibly much better than Freddie's. Not even close

It ain't their fault we can't tackle.

Yep we lose and now our trades are bad ... Sheeese

This is a joke. This has to result in some changes

Nope.

Hot garbage

this is take away #1 for me from tonight

I wanted Shanny to be the head coach of the Browns but he didn't want to stay in Cleveland.

You should read how the line has protected Baker better than most of the league. They’re too 3.

Then again, you hang out at www.buffalobills.com so I doubt you saw that stat.

The team isnt motivated to play. They already gave up.


That's all coaching.

Why would he with that crap farmer pulled.

We are not a good team, we will be lucky to win 6 games

Gaines gave up on that play.

They gave up when callaway handed the ball to the defender. It was all downhill there

It's easy to call plays when you get 8 yards/rush.

Our entire team is playing poorly tonight.

This was predictable going in. The whole world knew Shanahan's zone blocking and play action could potentially eat us up. What we didn't know was that Freddie didn't know.

Well you've got a point there.

Haha no I watched the entire Giants game...and they kept gushing over Peppers and how he has become a leader on that team...(had a great forced fumble and some good tackles) Their Oline is still very iffy, but Zeitler is arguably their best.

I hate the Browns. At the game with family. Just wanted a fun game. Could’ve been them the Callaway bobble. Then Baker looks like Manziel. I thought the old Browns were dead, guess not

Yup that was a back breaker

3rd down- stop them and force a FG

Feel ya, bro.

Totally crap, look at the stat sacks, you can't be helped if you can't see every time we try to throw a pass over ten yards the defenders are on top of the QB

Atleast their kicker sucks

Minus the Ravens game, Baker has looked just like Manziel imho

Nice blocked FG!

If it wasn't for their kicking game, we would have no highlights.

or block the FG.

Hunh... we did something good

Accept reality that he is going through a terrible sophomore slump.

come back is on!!!

Unfortunately that means our O has to come back lol

That was our only chance of scoring a TD.

Ugh

Baker ... rolls right ... INC of course

He’s still rolling to the right...

And Baker almost gives it right back to them.

Baker flat out sucks

He is overthrowing everyone all the time.

Baker is 8/21 100 yards, 2 picks, 1 fumble so far

See least the ball is safe when thrown to Ratley lol

I’m ready to see anyone else at qb

i hate it when he scrambles
when was the last time it resulted in a completion

8/22

Theres Manziel

Can obj come in and quarterback?

So, our OL is getting manhandled and Baker is totally out of it

Why are we not going for it on 4th? We need FOUR TOUCHDOWNS

Can't hit the broad side of a barn, even when the barn is inside the defender.

He overthrew his wr by 20 yards. Wtf?!?

LoL punt

If Stanton wasn’t on IR I’d take him in a heartbeat

Remember when we were talking all this crap saying “We’ll hang 40 a game” .. target was placed on us and we’ve buckled under the lights

Freddie gave up

With this team there's never any kind of standard level of play. That I just don't get.

That's the problem, it's not talent, height, or any of those things. It's about putting in the work to get better, not just talking about it. It's not just Baker IMO either. Its the whole team, coaching included.

Also, he needs to bring back the beard. Clearly he plays best with the beard.

Freddie is in way over his head and Baker stinks

Brings back memories of Jeff Garcia and his perfect 0.0 QBR

Shanahan should put in his second stringers to avoid any more injuries. His scheme alone is enough to beat us.

Lawrence has flashed more than Sheldon Richardson...

Chad thomas has flashed more than O Vernon...that's sad

lol we’re nearing that point

Some of you guys make me sick, when we start winning you will be the one's driving the bus

Our inability to play football against good teams has flashed more than anything.

That's right, and we've earned that right so deal with it.

he bobbled that

Yeah we are not a good team...that's a fact...so we are mediocre at best...its unfortunate, but true.

Good fans don't destroy there own team

Complaining is fine, yet the ridiculous amount of hyperbole was insane.

www.buffalobills.com

Waste of a challenge.

failed challenge coming up

good challenge

The amount is exactly proportionate to the amount of ridiculous play.

Ball was still moving in his hand after he hit the ground.

1st down

Not really. It almost always needs to he completely obvious it was a bad call. That was pretty close to a catch, if not was.

Thank goodness they didn't flex the game next week.

Your hyperbole is perfect to go support the team represented at www.buffalobills.com

good point .. i think we need to be resigned to 1pm Sunday for a long time honestly. I think we aren’t ready for the pressure yet

That your go to? You're such a wit.

defense showing some heart

How is that not grounding?

I thought the same thing

Rb was there

hmm...

I am not sure how that Garrapolo pass wasn't intentional grounding.

Bosa taking a rest

He may suck at reading a defense this year, but I’ll always love him for that flag plant that will make buckeye homers angry.

Oh look, Freddie remembered that we have nick Chubb

Flags flags flags

Jokes on you, Cal. No one is forcing you to reply to me.

Is there a penalty for never started?

Whats next

Too bad we are not winning by 25.

Smh.. terrible play calling.

Good lord ... this is just painful righ tnow

Baker blows and isnt an nfl quarterback.

Oh. I'm so embarrassed.

This honestly has shades of like 99-00 Browns

Yep. Take a struggling QB and make him dig out a X and 15.

Discipline is definitely missing on this team.

Real talk:

I won’t be surprised if this is Freddie’s last game as Browns HC.

Baker fumbles again...

I hope we can get Baker out of this game healthy

Lol and we still punt

One of our best plays was when OBJ was at QB

Gillan is definitely a weapon.

He's not getting fired after this.

This is the worst coaching I have seen with a talented fb team.

Baker is broke. Skittish and happy feet. Need to find a vet to come in and salvage this season.

So we’re back to the years where we were hyping up the punter?

Back to the dark ages.

Freddy's strategy against Bosa, one on one?????

Draw on 3rd and 22 without the intent to go for it on 4th??????

We paid $$$$ for these tickets.

AT LEAST PRETEND TO TRY.

Kitchens cannot continue to playcall. He’s so bad. (I guess he can learn but it’s so exhausting)

Bosa showing up Myles big time

We've been horrendously out-coached, but it still is only one game.

This team is mentally weak, they don't respond to adversity, they fold.

I was thinking the same thing and if he gets hurt you think these guys are complaining now ... I don't think they will enjoy watching our backup

If Chud didn't get a year 2, then neither should freddie IMO

The fact that this is the 2nd drive with us down 25 and we didn’t go for in on 4th said Freddie quit on the game in the 3rd quarter.

Rookie head coach calling plays too. Never a good thing

How did Kitchens manage to break him from last year to this year..... this offense is nothing like last years. Is this what Monken came up with. It is so out of sorts......

Robinson is nothing but waist..fat and slow. Zero foot work.

Starts with the HC

it's been a cluster-frak of miscues coupled with a beat down.

Are you being serious? I wish someone you guys could play QB behind this line for one play, you'd change your tune fast

The Haslams would be stupid enough to do it. They promoted Farmer and Sashi.

Bet Lamar or josh allen would look good behind this line.

I'd expect maybe some changes along those lines first. New OC, or movement to a different system. Something like that before they fire Freddie.

Nice play by Ogunjobi. No quit in him.

I’m not paid to play QB or block ... all I know is we were embarrassed tonight. Our coaches, our QB, our OL, our run D, etc. It isn’t my job to do. We’re just stating what has occurred and what a lot of people have paid to watch/attend/support

Not happening with Dorsey in the FO.

Go root for the ravens and bills then, so I don't have to read your posts

Your name is baker dawg. If baker ever left the team, you’d leave right him. Kick rocks band wagon fan.

Since the first play TD and the int, the 49ers have been playing downhill.. they look like they fully expect to win every individual matchup. We have looked like we can't wait to get back on the plane.

Go back to watching OU football highlights, and also go support the team represented at www.buffalobills.com

Last year I felt so comfortable every time Baker dropped back. this year I feel so horrible. I dont know how to explain it

Why is Odell fielding punts?!

Good job OBJ.

This team is so trash

Fire Kitchens (as OC)

oh my

That says it all about tonight

Why is obj returning a punt!?!?!?!?

That's it. I have seen enough.

Fire Freddie!!!

Cue the circus music

This was a statement game for Shanahan, a double-fisted FU to Cleveland.

Pretty much sums up the game.

Wtf

They weren't trash last week remember

Just a total comedy of errors tonight.

hate to break it to you but Bakers going to be the QB for a long time...go find a new team

And none of it funny.

We are so inept

I certainly hope he is. The difference is that even if he isn’t, I will still be here, rooting for the team, and you won’t.

Meanwhile, the world thinks, "I knew it."

We all hope he will be. He needs to put in work and his coaches need to do better.

However, Baker's height is a problem, sometimes, he certainly gets a [censored] ton of balls batted down. If Drew Brees is watching this, he's probably thinking of a way to walk back his comments about Baker looking like a younger version of himself. LOL

We don’t need “fans” like you. Take off your Oklahoma glasses and recognize Baker has regressed.

Really tough night, I stand behind the team, we are better than this, we'll recover

Panic.

What do you see that would make you think that?

To bad, Im here. deal with or leave

Freddie is just in way over his head. It's mind boggling how unprepared and undisciplined this team is every week.

I feel we have good players. The coaching is bad.

+1 I still think we win the devision

4 out of 5 games where our offense has been sad. Damn right we need to panic.

+1 I agree about this division ...

You won’t be here long if your “god” keeps playing like this.

Tony Dungy last week: paraphrasing- "browns fans, get used to it. This team will be up and down. They are young"

case and point tonight.

Looking at it after realizing we’d lose for about an hour or so: I dont know what, if anything, good we can take from this game

This guy is on to something.

Baker isnt injured.

Lady.

What's the big change? Monken....

At least our QB hasn’t gotten away with rape, twice.

exactly

After watching KC crumble yesterday to the Colts, I'm looking forward to seeing the 9ers, crash to earth too. They'll have their day. And we'll get better. Today was a complete $#!% show. They all have a lot to learn.

Apparently all Monken does is make sure the guys focus on Freddie’s plays for the week.

Actually this is Freddie's offense not Monkens. Freddie make monken learn Freddie's.

So would anyone take gruden or McCarthy at this point ? I think the issue between last year and this year is zampese/Williams. It’s clear he was the true reason for the success

Bingo. Maybe. Heck, I don't know.

don't you have a political rally to attend?

Wow.

Baker finished the night 8/22, 100 yards and 3 turnovers.

I'd like to see Monken sacrificed and last year's playbook reeinstated.

The 49ers Defensive front is what everyone said the Browns was going to be.

no point in getting Baker injured. Gilbert in

Politics is another sub-forum. Stick to the rules.

You are self admitted bandwagon fan . You have no idea about a tough night or what it means . You’ll be gone with Johnny ...err ... baker

This is inaccurate. We are using Freddie's playbook not Monkens.

and to me, this is the biggest disappointment. Where is this vaunted defense that we were advertised to have......

You sure about that?

This person knows football

Freddie and Monken have gone on record multiple times about this.

Was this Baker’s worse game, since, like middle school?

We have some major issues at the OT positions and in the HC seat

Our redzone offense is horrendous... if we score 14 points, heck even 10 points early on, this is a different game and I think it goes different. This one was on Callaway but it was horrible before he was make active again.

100% I have shared articles where Freddie is quoted saying he made monken learn his offense because it would be easier for monken to learn it vs the entire team learning a new offense.

well then, bring back last years plays then....

Doesn't look like last year's play calling at all.

The only difference is the head coach.

wow, reads like a total arse whoopin....glad I didn't couldn't watch it...geez

Then it's a complete mystery.

Would we notice though?

Terrible Night But A Win Over Seattle Will Make The Sky Brighter ... GO BROWNS

It was.. 49ers wanted it much more than we did and they executed their plan.

Jay Gruden is available....

Sorry, too early to be calling for the coaches head.

The only difference is the head coach and we traded our OL and gave freddie OBJ. Who he is obsessed with and making tons of gadgets play for him.

Does make me angry though that we were completely unprepared for Shanahan's system.

when you join a team that is 1-31, you're a bandwagon fan??

Now the Seahawks come to town....oh boy

That’s the thing. He was calling Haley’s plays. He tossed all that stuff.

This year he tried adapting the air raid, and this is the result.

I agree, go browns!

Okay, enough self-flagellation for one night. Night all.

Inaccurate.

You’re a fan of a player. You give jack squat about the history of this team.

He used Haley’s playbook last year.

So now we have a short week, fly back home, get the Seahawks who have basically a bye week ... umm, and then the Pats and at Denver and then the Bills

Not an easy road ahead

I hope we start fast...

Read my comments up. I shared articles where Freddie said they are keeping the same offense.

A lot of anger on the board tonight brother just let it go and enjoy

Hey, RO there is no law against becoming a fan of a team. Sorry, Im here. Deal with it.

A great game by the Browns. Just really really good.

You know, I haven't been able to figure out what it is about this team that leaves me so unsettled. Even after the win over Baltimore, I still just didn't feel great. I can't put my finger on it.

Tonight, I think I started figuring it out. We just don't make sense. We do so well in the 2 minute offense, but we never run it. We put OBJ back to return punts for some reason. He fumbles. We have Nick Chubb who dominates. We don't feed him when we need to.

Why are we making this so hard?

You are right. Im done fighting the negativity. We'll recover. Tomorrow is a new day. Go Browns!!!!!

We have a head coach who is coaching scared and accommodating egos and using his shiny new toys in the wrong way.

Ie... Kellen Winslow on a kickoff

Three weeks ago the media asked him to resign his playcalling. He is terrified. Imo.

We don't have an Oline that includes a LT and Kush at the guard position is absolutely trash for the NFL.

Hilarious. Nobody is going to take you seriously here. Ever. Go find a new college guy to fanboy.

OK, we laid an egg. But this was a tough one. We had a short week, had to travel cross country and they had a bye week.

We are better than tonight. Still need lot of work, obviously.

I think SF is a serious contender.

It's because we never attempted to get Blackmon.

We're not in the political thread. What type of condescending insinuation is this. Pisses me off. You seem to be a troll of some sorts.

that is exactly what I was thinking

Hey Jules, it's rabidfan, been a long, long, looooong time how ya been?

Hello, my friend, I’ve missed you! Hope you are well, I’m doing good!

I've missed you and everybody here, I'm back though. I've had some good times and bad times, lost my mom last year, almost lost my eyesight, due to an ulcerated cornea and a MRSA infection, I am diabeitc, getting old has it's negative effects. lol

I did get my disability a few years back and I thought we were finally getting a contending team. ha However, it's not all lost, I sstill think this team and Dorsey will get things right, at some point.

Glad you are back!