Since we’re teetering on the precipice of no return, other games are beginning to interest me as much.

Ravens play at Cincy so they’ll get to 7-2
Steelers play LAR so they can get to 5-4

Ugh

On Thursday night football the referee just made a confusing call ending it with "los angeles'" ball and first down.

Dealing with the raiders and chargers, I don't immediately know anymore who the heck is "los angelas" which team.

It reminds me of a thought I had previously months ago.

I think someone, maybe Goodell had a dream and there are suddenly 36 teams in "los angelas" and no teams in any other cities

Yet somehow we'd still see only New York play against New York on Monday Nights.

The league's gone bonkers.

Derek Carr is the most frightening quarterback I've ever seen play.

What I mean is,

That he may be just an average quarterback, but back in the depth of some subconscious if you had to face him in the Super Bowl,
and match up against him, on his best day, his one in a million day.

That on that one day, Derek Carr would be the best performing quarterback to ever play the game, and no other person ever to play the game, (if having also their best day) would be a match for Derek Carr on that day.

That's why I say he's the most frightening quarterback I've ever seen play in the NFL.

I actually agree ... Carr can be lights out some days

Your posts are like a bad trip.

This is false.

Some days he's a little above average.

The Chargers are a great example of a team that got its teeth kicked in but kept fighting.

Leadership. Everything the Browns lack.

I made fun of Jon Gruden a lot. I wish we had a coach that could run an offense like him.

The Raiders move to 5-4 and we can't beat a bad Broncos team with all that "talent." Oy vay.

Raiders win .. they have a legit shot at a WC spot, along with the team we’re playing Sunday

And Steelers.

Browns are a clown show.

Spot on.

I'm not sure if I even blame the Haslams anymore. They brought in an established GM. He brought in an established, well respected staff. They gave the GM control.

What I think happens when people come to the Browns is they become intoxicated by the chance of being the hero that turns around the worst franchise in professional sports. Then they get cute and lose their minds. They not only want to be the hero, they want to prove how smart they are. It becomes about them and putting themselves before the Cleveland Browns. This is currently happening to Dorsey. It already happened to Freddie. It's very clear Freddie puts himself before the team. The team's actions reflect their leaders actions. They put themselves first. The product on the field is the result.

And all of this goes back to culture.

To all those calling for Freddie's head since the beginning, I said patience and perspective is important. I apologize to those people. I don't know how the Browns can maintain this course for long-term success. All of the things that have happened under Freddie's watch have been bad, including the regression of several players - Mayfield, Ogunjobi, Randall, Bitonio, Ward - and the lack of development of up and coming players - Higgins, Avery. The lack of discipline, in game decisions, etc. I can't really think of one good thing. Then he talks down to the media about how coaches are teachers and to stop overreacting.

It all goes back to culture.

I think Freddie should actually be fired now. There is no accountability in the Browns organization. Someone needs to make a statement that this is not acceptable.

I just recently heard an interview with Cowher on one of the Cleveland sports talk shows. Lure this guy out of retirement. Give him the Gruden treatment then get the hell out of the way.

I think the decision has already been made. It's just a matter of waiting until the end of the year or after a terrible loss.

Then they should get on with it.

Push Jimmy out of any football decisions. Put Dee and Depo in charge of coaching search. Make Dorsey report to Dee. Dorsey can participate in coaching search but new coach will report to Dee. Dorsey does not get to choose the coach. He had his chance.

Again, Dorsey does not get to choose the new coach.

They very well may have already gotten on with it by talking to potential hires behind the scenes.

Stefanski! Actually, after this trainwreck, I doubt they go with a never-been HC.

At this point I am not concerned what the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens do unless we play them, we need to start stacking some wins ...

Titans beat the chiefs

Aaron Rodgers eye rolls his coach at least three times a game.

Cardinals got screwed. Should have been a PI on the last play. No review. However, with the NFL’s stubbornness on flipping PI on review, no way they change the call. But that was defensive PI.

i notice that too, and it’s more and more

Steelers down 7-0 ... Rams secondary too tough for Juju

5 games ago, the Steelers were afraid to let Rudolph pass, but they had a plan. Now he's running the entire playbook and looking good doing it.

No one develops players like the Steelers. Rudolph was an underachieving player in college for someone that possesses the physical traits that he does. Steelers took him and built him up.

Coaching matters in the NFL. I'm jealous of the Steelers.

Yeah, Rudolph looks like a very serviceable player .. they’re bringing him along

Corbett is playing for the Rams.

Rams offense has lost a lot of its luster

And he doesn’t look too bad.

We should have beat the Rams ... Red Zone

Steelers get the freaking call

Wow. Steelers just got gifted a turnover for TD. That was a forward pass.

We had the same thing with Allen .. I hate the inconsistency

Wasn’t bobbled and went forward....suuuuuure, fumble (as long as it benefits the Steelers at home).

Man Haden has been balling for the Steelers.

Steelers D is very fast ... and improving w/Minkah

Hoyer at QB for the Colts, due to the MCL injury to Brisset last week, and he is playing Brain Hoyer football ....... 8-22 for 117 yards, and 2 INT. Oh, and the Dolphins lead the Colts 10-0.

Colts should just run Mack everytime

Steelers lucked out .. Rams called for holding negates a FG chance

It's not inconsistent. The Patriots, Steelers, and Packers are officiated differently than every other team. Consistently. The only time it goes against the Steelers is when they are playing the Patriots.

Gonna give up 8 sacks to Squeelers on Thursday. Only way to win is run for 300yds.

Have to slow their pass rush down.

Lot of draws and screens.

Let's see how smart the staff is.

Would like to win a game because of coaching.

Yeah, it’s time to utilize our RBs to the max ... it’d be nice to have a reliable TE too

Man, the Ravens destroyed the Bengals. Lamar Jackson went 15-17 for 233 yards with 3 TD, and rushed for 65 yards and a TD. Wow! Even against the Bengals, that's impressive.

In the Pittsburgh game Goff just got hit as he threw and the ball went forward like 7 yards past line of scrimmage and they called it a fumble anyways resulting in TD for Pitt.

Looked just like the play ruled an incomplete pass from Buffalo vs us.

Man I wish the NFL would use consistent rules.

Steelers are going to beat the Rams.

Even if we beat Steelers will be a game back from them.

Haden had a nice pick

There is a lot of time left, but you can definitely see the difference in coaching when watching this game and watching Freddie Kitchens. We're probably screwed Thursday even with the advantage in talent, there is probably not another professional sport where coaching matters as much as in this one.

At what point does Flores start getting some credit?

They gutted that team and have every reason to lay down. But they've been playing hard and might win their second in a row.

He's done a great job so far.

And they have a white running back.

Just craziness.

Snow moving in to GB now

You have to run right at Watt and Dupree.

They are so eager to rush upfield.

good point, much like Myles

Panthers going for two there was idiotic. Analytics are dumb.

Dolphins win 2nd straight.

lol, ofc they gotta get rolling in time to play us!

We should have beat the Rams ... Freddie Zone

Wish we had Aaron Donald...what a monster at DT

Haden had another chance at a pick

Can’t believe we lost to the rams . They suck

What happened to the Rams? All the sudden, Todd Gurley looks like he's 35 years old, Jared Goff looks like his name should be Jack, and Sean McVay doesn't look like such a genius anymore. And now their defense appears to waving the white flag. Thanks for the effort, guys.

Steelers going to shred us

It's the Mike Tomlin effect, gotta hand it to the guy. He is a great coach.

Someone forgot to give Coach the tank memo.

I know they have a zillion draft picks.

But what are they trying to do? I don't get it.

From everything I've heard, Steeler fans are sick of Tomlin. I'd take him in a New York minute.

Man, CAR just short

What a dumb playcall and throw to end the game. Rams were fools gold last year

I think next year Big Ben going to get the Drew Bledsoe treatment

Joe Haden playing like he never played for us. Too bad the Rams couldn't send Cecil Shorts up against him.

Rams lose in Pittsburgh ... Steelers find ways to win tossup games

Gurley got overworked and doubled with his injury woes...he no longer has that burst he used to...that's why I'm all for letting Chubb play out then maybe year 4, offer him something...RBs were once considered done at 30, it's looking to be even be closer to 28 imo but they're exceptions (AP, Gore, etc)

very true, always play tough despite their circumstances.

Now I disagree with that, Joe played great for us. It's not his fault we had inept teams and coaching staffs which set him up to fail. Joe gave us everything he had.

Cecil Shorts. With the game on the line.

Fitzpatrick would have been a good pickup for us

he’s really, really impacted their team .. gotten them at least 2 wins

And safeties for us is a huge hole

Yeah he would have complimented our secondary perfectly....while still on a rookie contract.

The Browns have to out coach the Steelers to win.

Not sure I have confidence that will happen.

Most here called the Steelers idiots for giving up the pick for him when they should have saved it for a QB next year. I think they got both now. Mason looks good so far and that defense is fast and hungry. We look dull and slow.

Haha, yea good luck there

Yeah but that "fumble" he returned for a TD is the exact same play that happened with us VS bills and Refs called it a "forward pass".

Fitz wouldn't have mattered if we played, its just the Refs throwing the Steelers yet another win.

It's funny when it's the exact same play in the same week, really lets you see the bias.

For some reason the public loves the Browns. This weekend probably won't discourage them but I expect the Browns to be underdogs at home.

Man, I want to see the Browns come out nasty.

Minkah also taunted on his way into the end zone.

No call.

so very happy! see you Thursday night.

Mom :-(

Looks like Browns favored by 3.

Looks like another bet against the Browns.

Rams got jobbed IMO, three crucial plays that were caused by no call or bad call.

I’ll grab Steelers getting 3 as well

and I assume you will be rooting against the browns as well??

I know you wouldn't miss a change to bet on your favorite team.

haha stop ... I just trust their coaches and culture way more than ours. Today was a good step for us to win a 50/50 game, but I have to see it a few more times before I feel better

I was unintentionally rude to a Bills fan after the game when they came over to congrats and then I felt bad.

It's hard to know how to be a gracious winner when you never win.

Let's win some more, so I can give the proper "good game" speech next time.

Jason Garrett channeled his inner-Freddie last night with their red zone approach

SF has one of the better front 4’s in recent memory .. and they play with ferocity

I have never seen so many turnovers and weird crap in one game.

Flash’s 1st catch as a seahawk came on a crucial 3rd down to move the sticks.

This game is some drama. More drama than my soaps.

Clutch kick.

NFL overtime rules are fantastic.

This game is hilarious.

Not a clutch kick. You gotta feel for the guy.

First name Russell. Last name Wilson.

It was great to see those 49er punks get beat.

Not a fan of either team, but I wanted Seattle as well ... very strange game

I watched both QBs make multiple plays down the stretch and in OT that COULD have/SHOULD have lost the game for them...